Anne Dachel has made an unofficial transcription of salient points from Robert Kennedy Jr.'s interview with Bill Maher under the assumption the YouTube video will be pulled down at any moment.
By Anne Dachel
The following is a part of the two hour conversation between entertainer Bill Maher and presidential candidate, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. The first hour of the talk was about Kennedy’s position on vaccines and failure of our government to ensure this product is safe. He explained that vaccine makers were given immunity from liability in 1986 BECAUSE vaccines were “unavoidable unsafe,” and some people were going to be injured. He said that because of “corporate capture,” there was no real oversight from our federal health agencies. Pharma literally has oversight over itself. He stated that results from the CDC’s own study showed that vaccine injury was NOT one in a million, as we were often told, but one in 37. He cited a 2000 study from Johns Hopkins that showed that vaccines ARE NOT responsible for a huge drop in deaths from infectious disease. It was instead better nutrition and improved sanitation. He asked the question: If the explosion in the autism rate from one in 10,000 to one in every 34 children today is NOT linked to coincidental tripling of the vaccine schedule, then, what is the cause? He once again pointed out that officials have never done vaccine safety trials, yet he has over 450 studies that DO SHOW A LINK between vaccines and autism.
June 25, 2023 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | Club Random with Bill Maher
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Maher: If you're going to make this campaign happen, the one thing that they're never going to stop talking about is vaccines. 60 Minutes quoted me saying in 2009 or something, I wouldn’t get a flu shot. You came out of the gate at 20 percent because there’s just a lot more people in this country who are on to that kind of thing. And how medical science, conventional, is wrong and gets things wrong, including about COVID. You’re going to have to get past this issue if you’re going to go anywhere. I think your idea of connecting the pharmaceutical industry, and that certainly had to do with how COVID was handled, with the bigger issue of how corporate America having too much of a stranglehold on this country. That is a great issue. It’s a little not obvious, so you’re going to have to explain it to people.
Kennedy: It was the same issue that, you know, it’s an issue of corporate capture. It’s an issue of government agencies being subverted and democracy subverted, and government agencies transformed through these mechanisms of corporate capture into sock puppets for the industries they’re supposed to regulate. Probably 20 percent of my environmental cases were against federal and state agencies who were doing sweetheart deals with the industries they were supposed to regulate. So it was easy for me when I started doing, when I got dragged kicking and screaming, because I didn’t want to do vaccines, into the vaccine realm. It was easy for me to understand what was happening because I’d seen it happening at EPA. Most people are in this space or were in this space because their children suffered vaccine injuries, or let’s put it neutrally, that they believe their children had suffered vaccine injuries. I was just somebody who believed that you should listen to women.
Maher: If I may, as the moderator, just for anyone who’s listening who’s the super skeptic type, vaccines injuries, that is a fact. That’s why there’s a Vaccine Court. Vaccines are a medical intervention like so many other drugs that we don’t say they’re bad because we know they have side effects. But we just have to admit first of all, that they do have side effects, hopefully not bad, hopefully not all. We can debate what they are, but let’s start from, yes, vaccines, like any other drug, have side effects, and serious side effects. Now let’s have the debate about how widespread is that.
Kennedy: The CDC had been telling people for many years that injuries were one in a million. The reason the Vaccine Act was passed that gave immunity from liability to these companies is because they said the vaccines could not be produced, that they were unavoidably unsafe. And that phrase is the 1986 statute and in the Supreme Court Brusewitz Case which upheld that statute. They said, okay, we’re going to give them immunity from liability, no matter how negligent they are, no matter how grievous your injury, no matter how reckless the behavior, no matter how shoddy their manufacturing and testing processes, YOU CAN’T SUE THEM. And the reason we gave them that liability shield is because they were able to convince the Reagan White House vaccines could not be made safe. They’re going to injure certain people. The question then is, are those rare injuries, and CDC says, yes, they were very rare, one in a million. Oh, when CDC finally studied that question in a study called the Lazarus Study which was published in Pediatrics …in 2010, …what they found is that the actual rate of injury was about 2.3 percent, which is one out of every 37 people. …that had injury claims that they made claims to their insurance companies. The average injury rate is one in 37.
Kennedy: It was injuries for which people made claims, medical claims. 54 percent of Americans have chronic disease. You’re supposed to design the product for all the people, not just for this.
Maher: …Where I am with you is, I do not believe you can make me get a vaccine, you should not.
Kennedy: I believe people should have a choice. I’m not anti-vaccine, but I am pro-science. …CDC for many years has said vaccines saved millions and millions of lives, but when they actually studied that issue, and they did an intensive study on decades and decades of medical records, and that study is called the Guyer Study and they did it with Johns Hopkins in 2000. They looked at what was the explanation for this historic drop, 85 percent drop in mortalities from infectious disease between, in the 20th century. It’s one of the great episodes of history in the United States and Western Europe. It was a tremendous drop in the diminution in the fatalities from infectious disease. What caused that? Was it vaccines? Was it antibiotics? Was it surgeries, was it something else?
Maher: Why can’t it be all of them?
Kennedy: Actually, almost none of them. The explanation for it was nutrition and sanitation.
Maher: I want to take issue with the media here because it incenses me how they write about you. This is the New York Times, and again this is not the op-ed page. If it was the op-ed page, I get it: “In chat with Musk, Kennedy pushes right-wing ideas and misinformation.”Right away I’m pissed because of “misinformation.” How about you in the newspaper, tell me what he said and I’ll decide what’s misinformation. This arrogance of we know what the misinformation is about science.
39:51 Maher went on to discuss what’s behind the surge in mass shootings.
Kennedy: What NIH should be doing, because they’re trying, they’re supposed to, their portfolio is to protect human health, is to actually do real studies on this, but they won’t. They don’t want to offend the big shots, the video game companies, the cell phone companies, telecommunication industry or the pharmaceutical industry. That’s why they won’t study vaccines either. …Because they do not want the answer. Look, let’s say I’m wrong, that vaccines are not a factor in this exponential growth in autism. Let’s say I’m wrong about that. And all of the studies that I’ve cited, hundreds of studies…are wrong. Well then, what is it? Something happened. CDC’s own data show we went from one in 10,000 people having autism in my generation, in your generation to one in every 34 in my kids’ generation. So what happened? EPA did a study—Congress said to EPA, what year did the epidemic start? EPA said, it’s a red line. It happened in 1989. That’s when the autism epidemic started. You have to look at a toxin [that] became ubiquitous around 1989, and there are a number of things that it could be glyphosate, it could be cell phones.
Maher: But this is what they’re going to say to you, and I need to know the answer to this: Then why have they done many, many studies including ones that were not funded by the pharmaceutical industry and including ones from other countries, that all found out, they all came to the conclusion autism, no connection to vaccines at all. I agree with you. I’m skeptical of this. I think they just don’t—
Kennedy: There’s 14 studies, and I can go through each one of them and they’re all epidemiological stuff.
Maher: So they’re just lying when they say there’s no study?
Kennedy: Of course.
On the side that shows that autism is caused by vaccines, there’s over a hundred studies. I, in fact, did a book in which I listed all of those studies and digested, in other words, summarized them all. You can go and source them, and I have over 450 studies summarized and I have 1,400 citations.
Kennedy: Every medicine is required to do placebo controlled trials. That’s what science is. You give a group of people, a cohort of people, the medicine, and then you give a similarly situated cohort of people the placebo. And then you look at health outcomes over a four or five year period because many of the impact of outcomes are going to have long diagnostic horizons and long incubation periods. So you won’t them immediately. Anthony Fauci said eight years for a vaccine. You need to watch them for a while. The only medicine that never gets tested are vaccines, and that is what I object to. All I’m saying is, let’s test them the way that we test other medications. That does not seem unreasonable. That’s my position, that’s my position.
Maher: How do we translate this complex stuff that we’re talking about? You’re in a debate now, you have 90 seconds, and you have to say it in a way that gets people on your side.
Kennedy: I don’t object to vaccines. Show me where I got it wrong?
Maher: This has to be put into these sound bites. That’s a challenge because this is a complex subject.
Maher again quotes from the New York Times
“He has used his campaign platform and his famous name to promote misinformation
“Mr. Kennedy is a long time amplifier and propagator of baseless theories.
“He said that after the Affordable Health Care Act of 2010, Democrats were earning more money from pharm than Republicans. ...”
Kennedy: My understanding is that Democrats …prior to the Affordable Care Act, …were reluctant to take pharmaceutical money. And so Republicans were getting more money than Democrats. …During that battle, it became permissible suddenly for Democrats to take pharmaceutical money because … The Obama Administration made a deal with the pharmaceutical industry to support the bill. I believe they’re wrong today. I believe the Democrats are getting more money from pharma than Republicans.
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