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Im-FineI do not understand this thinking. A beautiful, young Mom who works in a nursing home facility in Canada suffered a serious adverse event after her Covid vaccination, and the subhead in the article is the takeaway that "Deborah Tilli says she still thinks people should get the vaccine." And she blames the "system", not the product.

Have you ever read a Yelp review? If a restaurant piles the French fries in the wrong direction on the plate, the reviewer trashes them. "Don't EVER GO HERE!" Nail salon files the tips square instead of rounded? "THEY ARE BARBARIANS! RUN! RUN FROM THEM!" I make decisions all the time based on whether or not my choice could negatively affect my children. My job is to stay alive to take care of them. We call that parenting.  I remember staying home one New Year's Eve many years ago because a snowstorm might make the roads dangerous. We never got the snow, and I was disappointed to miss the J. Geils Band. But my kids came first. This young Mom had a serious reaction, and BLAMES THE NURSE and her lack of training. There are so many things wrong in the story.  I hope she has a full recovery and at least a partial awakening. But I'm not holding my breath.....

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Hamilton PSW says allergic reaction to COVID-19 vaccine led to fainting, seizures and CPR
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Deborah Tilli says she still thinks people should get the vaccine
Bobby Hristova · CBC News · Posted: Dec 30, 2020 11:56 AM ET | Last Updated: December 30, 2020

A personal support worker feels the health-care system "failed" her after someone overlooked her allergies, she says, and let her get a COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine triggered a severe reaction which she says caused her to faint, suffer multiple seizures, require CPR and still feel the effects almost a week later. 

Deborah Tilli, 27, is one of the few people to have had a severe reaction to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. And while she doesn't want people to avoid the vaccine, Tilli says her case is a cautionary tale for those with allergies.

When she initially found out she was getting a vaccine, Tilli says, she was excited.

"I wasn't scared, I was excited. I was like, 'I'm going to be one of the first health-care workers in the city to get the vaccine,'" she said.

It came after nine gruelling months working during the COVID-19 pandemic, helping residents at Dundurn Place Care Centre who Tilli said "think their family doesn't love them anymore and they're not going to see their family again."

On Thursday at around 11:15 a.m., she was preparing to get vaccinated. She said she filled out consent forms and waited to be screened.

That's when Tilli noticed something was off. She said the nurse looking over her file lacked confidence about what they were doing.  READ MORE HERE FROM CBC News, Canada

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Benedetta

Really they don't care who, and they don't care about how many; just as long as they can keep the public in the dark about it all.
Since vaccine injuries are rather mysterious to every one; like diabetes (that is just a genetics thing right, just fate) they can and will continue with the killings and maimings. .

Angus Files

They dont care who,just how many.

Deaths reported after taking COVID vaccine
Questions arising about safety of new Pfizer vaccine, as some elderly people reportedly dying hours or days after receiving.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/294168

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MMR RIP

Porto Nurse

rest in peace

https://www.wionews.com/world/portuguese-nurse-dies-two-days-after-getting-the-pfizer-covid-vaccine-354526

Miami doctor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9119431/Miami-doctor-58-dies-three-weeks-receiving-Pfizer-Covid-19-vaccine.html

EXCLUSIVE: Wife of 'perfectly healthy' Miami doctor, 56, who died of a blood disorder 16 days after getting Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine is certain it was triggered by the jab, as drug giant investigates first death with a suspected link to shot

Angus Files

Sorry meant to write..

Anyone on here supporting lockdown is part of the lockdown problem.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

TOB

A point worth remembering is that neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccine was found "safe and effective" by the US FDA. Both were authorized via an emergency use authorization, which has only existed since the 9-11 terrorist attacks, and has NEVER been used for a pre-exposure vaccine. FDA has a standard for "safe and effective," and there won't be enough data on either the Pfizer or the Moderna product until April 2021 for FDA to evaluate the products according to that standard.

Everyone on this site knows that even "safe and effective" (FDA term of art) vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe" (1986 VICP legislation, Supreme Court opinion in Pfizer v. Wyeth). However, the Pfizer and the Moderna coronavirus vaccines do not even meet this standard. They are a "the good we know about them seems to outweigh the bad we know about them" type of deal right now, and there are emerging reasons (such as Doshi points out) to doubt even this finding.

As Doshi pointed out during the VRBPAC meeting for the Pfizer product, the "alternative access" pathway is a way FDA can allow individuals who want an unproven drug to get their hands on it. EUA is too complicated a concept for the average American to understand, given that they've been told virtually nothing about it, so they get confused and think the vaccines were approved and licensed, the way every other vaccine has been. This is how we find ourselves with Mike Pence getting the Pfizer shot, posing in front of a screen that says, "Safe and effective" in all caps--an assertion that would be a violation of federal law if Pfizer made it!

Angus Files

Covid is here to stay and this is the new normal guys.Anyone on here is part of the Lockdown problem.

The Amazing Polly below giving a (light) broad spectrum of sober topics all provable and linked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTVlX5T99Q

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John Stone
Cia

Cait,

Thank you again. I appreciate your sense of fair play and your kindness.

John,

We don’t have much data on the vaccines because they haven’t been in existence or used for very long. But what data we have on their efficacy and fair degree of safety, with few permanent severe reactions far, looks good. I think a lot of people are willing to take a chance on it and see if it works. We have little else. Although I watched some of a new q and a with John Cambell and two American doctors. They said the only good treatments were monoclonal antibodies early on and dexamethasone late in the course. The one who listed these also mentioned remdesivir. Pitiful. One at the half hour mark said how impressive Ivermectin is proving to be: it prevents the spike protein from invading host cells. He said it may be a game changer.

Our position now is so desperate that I think that everyone must decide what measures he wants to take to end this horror. Those who want to should take the vaccine and we’ll soon see if it’s protective or not. Masks (still), D3, zinc, Ivermectin, HCQ, IMask, social distancing, school and border closures, lockdowns, etc., are all choices which everyone should use as needed. But if the evidence favoring the vaccines is wafer thin now, I think we need to keep going and keep good records until we get solid evidence for or against.

John Stone

Cait

I don’t think we have credible evidence of the effectiveness of these product at the moment and even dressing it up with lots of bits of knowledge doesn’t give you insight, it just makes sound good. The fact is that on present data these products are not ready marketed - people should not be given false hopes and unknown risks. This is not ethical governments and I don’t think anyone has the right to make things up. Anyone with any knowledge and Cia has knowledge knows the positive data for the product is wafer thin.

Cait

@ John

“And you may be putting words into my mouth.” Point taken. I apologize for misstating or overstating your views.

However, that does not change the main thrust of my comment the other day, which was that Cia is entitled to her well-considered perspective. Perhaps you no longer admire her independence of thought, but that may say more about you than it does about her. As Michael pointed out, Cia relies on “plenty of research to inform her opinion. She does so with integrity and honesty.”

As for your 3-question post, it seems to me that question #2 doesn’t merit a response. Do you really wonder about this? Question #3 is kind of a gotcha question, where the interrogator claims the right to set the terms, and then insists on a yes or no answer. It's like asking a man ... "Do you still beat your wife, yes or no!?"

You received a thoughtful, comprehensive response to your post.

Cia

I think that those who had severe reactions who are still glad they got the vaccine are mindful that without the vaccine, they would probably still be vulnerable to getting Covid, with its possible severe ramifications. I think they have the right to interpret their experience in this way.

Cia

Hera,

Allergies and autoimmune disorders are two sides of the same coin. If you have an allergy, your immune system has been sensitized to an allergen in the environment. In a strictly autoimmune condition, you have been sensitized to a substance with a similarity to structures in your own body so close that your immune system attacks them, mistaking them for the foreign antigen which sensitized it. I have MS, in which the immune system has been sensitized to the myelin sheath protecting nerve endings in the brain and spinal cord. In both cases, sensitization requires that an antigen foreign to the closed systems of the body be introduced into the bloodstream, where the immune system identifies them as foreign and then takes action. I learned a lot of this in Heather Fraser’s The Peanut Allergy Epidemic. In rare cases (formerly), some people developed conditions which allowed food particles to go through small holes in the intestines and access the bloodstream, where they could initiate food allergies. A bee sting could introduce venom to the bloodstream. But allergies and autoimmune conditions for the most part start with injected antigens, which can be any injected substance, not just the vaccine per se.

Angus Files

Ah one that got away,next please!


Boston physician vouches for the Moderna coronavirus vaccine that almost TOOK HIS LIFE

A Boston physician was nearly intubated after taking the first dose of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine. Boston Medical Center’s very own, Dr. Hossein Sadrzadeh, suffered from a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine.

The vaccine injury was an acute medical emergency, occurring within minutes of the injection. The shot increased his heart rate almost immediately. In minutes, his tongue and throat started to tingle before going completely numb. He administered an EpiPen, something he kept on his person due to his history of shellfish allergies. This wasn’t enough to stop the reaction. Dr. Hossein needed medical intervention quickly as his blood pressure dropped dramatically, falling below what was detectable on the monitor.

https://vaccinedeaths.com/2020-12-31-physician-vouches-for-moderna-vaccine-that-almost-took-his-life.html

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Benedetta

We have put over us federal agencies.
Their jobs are to protect us from things; that is why they are there.

FBI to protect us from domestic enemies. Not some lone man and his family up on Ruby Hill, or punish small ranchers and farmers that had been renting federal land for cattle for generations for some small mistake. Certainly not to spy on an presidential candidate, or to decide who they wanted to be president and not the people

CIA to protect us from foreign powers, not allow Socialites and Those foreign powers with lots of money just come on in and take over.

NIH - and the CDC -- and the FDA Have they done their job? Really? Can we trust any vaccine or anything they say. That is where we are at right now.

Cia, I trust no vaccine, or medical procedure; even though I respect doctors and nurses --- who are they having to follow?

2016 I stood in my fall garden, on a beautiful fall day, and looked south with hate and contempt in my heart. I prayed my usually prayer of Please Father stop them. The Holy Spirit came upon me. That is all I can say, and under my pumpkins were black widow spiders. Then came the CDC spider letter. There are people, good people inside these federal agencies, but they are not leading, they fear to sign their name.

Eyes on Fauci is all I can say. We will not be getting any vaccine here in this home regardless of my fear that covid 19 could harm and kill us.

Please my Father in Heaven; I beg you for your help in the matter of Fauci and our health federal agencies. Help us with China, help us with the traitors among our leaders. Help us all.
Amen.

John Stone

Cia

I agree that second time around you managed to answer the first question but not the second or third. The third question is not specific to the present time.

Interesting new review of the Pfizer vaccine

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

Cia

John,

I thought I had answered in the one marked Jan 4, 8:07. I said it was extremely not all right for the hospital to have given Cecily the hep-B vaccine within 24 hours of birth without my knowledge or permission. They should have been on notice that it was a dangerous vaccine after the congressional hearing on it in May, 1999, exactly one year before Cecily was born. They heard evidence of its causing vaccine encephalitis and causing autism in Judy Converse’s newborn Ben and death in Michael Belkin’s daughter Layla. What they did was according to hospital policy, but should have been recognized as a crime. I doubt, though, that the nurses who did it had any idea of the dangers. The hospital itself should have known and required explicit permission before vaxxing and also not used the mercury-containing vaccine.

I explained how in the other cases I didn’t think you could blame anyone. It was a long time ago and I’m sure that everyone involved thought that the vaccinations were in the best interest of the children vaccinated. In 2000 and 2001, I thought, like everyone else, including the author of a book I had on the dangers of DPT, that changing to the acellular version was much much safer and had solved the problem. It didn’t. We were wrong.

I gave two examples from the other side. My mother told me many times about the death from diphtheria of a little neighbor boy in the ‘30s. The diphtheria vaccine was available, but the parents didn’t get it for him. He contracted diphtheria and the parents called in every doctor in Taylor, Texas, to try to save him, but he died. My father saw a man brought into his physician father’s office with tetanus. He died of it. There was no vaccine available at that time. I had a college roommate a little older than me. Her parents made the decision not to give her the polio vaccine, which was available. My parents got me an excessive number of them, both Salk and Sabin. Tina got polio in the Kansas City outbreak of 1959 and was crippled by it ever since.

That’s what I mean by there being two sides. These people would probably have had long, healthy lives if they had gotten the vaccines. My daughter and I were disabled by the pertussis and hep-B vaccines.

It remains the case that there are risks and potential benefits associated with every vaccine. Times have changed, the disease situation has changed. Everyone should research vaccines individually before getting any, and refuse any that don’t seem necessary. I refused several when Cecily was little: the medical staff were snarky, even disrespectful, but who cares?

But would it be right to force all vaccines off the market? It would mean the death or disability of many people, although it would halt all vaccine damage. I think you need to let people decide for themselves.

John Stone

Cia

You did not answer my questions @January 04, 2021 at 6.21pm. Is there a difficulty.

Emmaphiladelphia

@ Michael

Here's some SAGE advice:
See starting at 12:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=797&v=GVpCWSx8a6I&feature=youtu.be

The right knowledge helps you see better.

Hera

Cia,
The thing is, that is not what they are saying. In fact the CDC is very specifically saying that people with allergies should get the vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html
If you have allergies not related to vaccines
CDC recommends that people with a history of severe allergic reactions not related to vaccines or injectable medications—such as food, pet, venom, environmental, or latex allergies—get vaccinated. People with a history of allergies to oral medications or a family history of severe allergic reactions may also get vaccinated.

Your recommendation to your friend directly contradicts with the CDC's recommendations.
It is that simple. The CDC's job is to get it right for the health of all the citizens. And if the CDC gets it wrong, then they need to be held accountable, the injured need to be compensated, and the CDC needs to change their policies. No one should be putting the blame on some poor person who trusted that the CDC did their due diligence.

Also, allergies and autoimmunity are two different things. Autoimmune disease is present in only about 7% of the population.

You mentioned the need for people to do their own research. Most can't. Doctors have a unique position of trust, and are legally and ethically required to be trustworthy. It is why members of the medical profession are REQUIRED to practice informed consent. They don't get to say it takes up too much time so they would rather not bother.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/ethics/informed-consent

With power, influence, and respect comes the requirement to be ethical.


michael

Emma, thank you for that link to Senate committee hearings. A couple of things caught my attention.

First, ADM. Stansfield Turner's testimony:
"The employee who located this material did so by leaving no stone unturned in his efforts to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request, or several of them, in fact. ........."

Back then, from my perspective, FOIA requests had more meaning. Now the government HHS, CDC can put relevant documents deliberately in locations that place them beyond FOIA.

"......leaving no stone unturned..." thats what Cia does to get to as close to some truth that is possible regarding SARS-CoV-2, vaccinations, and treatments, with plenty of research to inform her opinion. She does so with integrity and honesty.

Second, Senator Kennedy's opening remark:
"Some 2 years ago, the Senate Health Subcommittee heard chilling testimony about the human experimentation activities of the Central Intelligence Agency. "

Cia has her on chilling testimony on what happened to her daughter and vaccinations as is the case for what brought many to Age of Autism.

I hope when people accidentally find Age of Autism, they will see good articles and plenty of useful comments informing readers, when so much in the MSM is meant to hide useful articles and research.
My two cents.

Cia

John,

What I have seen is that health authorities say that those with allergies or autoimmunity, previous vaccine reactions, or sensitivity to vaccine ingredients, may be at higher risk of reaction to the vaccines. They say that such people should think carefully about getting or refusing the vaccine. I agree with that.

I think the vaccines should be an option. We will soon see if they reduce the number of deaths from Covid. If they do, then that is a good which must be put into the balance of risks and benefits. If you forbade the development and administration of the vaccine to willing takers, you would be involved in the deaths which would not have occurred with the vaccine. I’m just saying availability, option, free choice. I think those are good.

I was not given the choice to take or reject the hep-B vaccine which I had said I didn’t want her to get. That is a different situation. I willingly participated in her being given three polio’s, three Hibs, and four DTaPs. She obviously reacted to the DTaP booster. I would not have permitted it if Ihad known what was going to happen. Obviously. I thought, like most people, like most doctors, like a book I read about the pertussis vaccine, that the acellular version was much safer than the whole-cell DPT. All of us were wrong on that. I blame the hospital over the hep-B vaccine. One year after the congressional hearing on its dangers. Was the hospital staff unaware of it? I don’t know.

I reacted to my first DPT with encephalitic screaming syndrome. My father was distraught, took me to the doctor and said he wouldn’t leave until he relieved my suffering. Who was at fault? It was the first of nine mercury-containing DPTs or dTs that I got. I don’t think any of the medical staff I saw or my parents had any idea how harmful the shots would be to me. I really can’t blame them. They thought they were protecting me from three dangerous diseases which together had killed hundreds of thousands of children. In the case of my brother and me (he also reacted), it would have been much better not to have given us the DPT. Also true that my mother had a little neighbor who died tragically of diphtheria and my father saw a man with tetanus brought to his father’s doctor’s office in Reserve, Louisiana. The man died of it.

When I was nineteen I went of my own accord to the student health center to get a tetanus booster and a typhoid vaccine before going to Mexico for the first time. My guidebook recommended doing so. I reacted with having both arms paralyzed for several days, starting the day of the vaccines, brachial plexus neuropathy. It could have been from the mercury added to a lot of previous mercury stored in my brain, or maybe to the deactivated tetanus toxin. But that is an extremely rare vaccine reaction. I’m sure that no one at the clinic had any idea it would occur. I doubt any of them had ever heard of it. How could I blame them? I wanted the vaccine protection, I probably got it. All of us were doing the best we could with the information we had available.

We have a lot more information available now. But it’s still the case that you have to evaluate each disease and vaccine with reference to your own situation. Most children and adults now would do fine getting no vaccines. Not all. And the charts of child deaths from diphtheria, pertussis, and scarlet fever in the nineteenth century are horrifying. And polio. No successful vaccine for scarlet fever.

I blame the hospital for it asking permission before giving Cecily the hep-B vaccine. That’s all, but that’s a lot. There was no consent at all.

greyone

"I think their getting in the vaccine line implies informed consent. "
!!!!!!

susan welch

Cia, I would like to let you know that there are many of us (older) people who will not be 'getting in the vaccine line'.

Those who have had reason to do their research on vaccines. I see that the adverse events after only one dose is over 2% in the UK. My first thought when I heard they were delaying the second dose was that they must be frightened of not being able to hide (or put down to coincidence) the adverse events after the second dose. My son (who has vaccine injured sons) thought was that they could keep the control of the people going if they spun out the roll out for longer. Who knows which. It is a win/win for them at the moment as we will be in full lock down until the vaccine lets us out! With the proviso, of course, 'if we are good'

How much worse can it get in UK?

John Stone

Cia

Thank you for your reply.

Would you say it was alright what was done to you and your daughter?

Would it be alright if it was done to someone else?

Is it alright to tell the public that products are safe and effective, ready for use, when objectively they are nothing of the sort?

Cia

Hera,

The word I saw in the CDC link I put up was people with autoimmunity “may” take the vaccine. I think “may” means that if they want to take it, they may, no one will stop them, not that it is guaranteed to not cause a reaction in them.

As for testing for allergies first, I think everyone must do as he thinks best. At this time, as far as I know, no one is forcing anyone else to take the vaccine. If there is no test available for allergy to a certain ingredient, then each person must decide whether to take it or leave it. If he has allergies to anything, I think it means his immune system is prone to autoimmune reaction and he should think about it carefully. A friend said the other day that she was chronically extremely allergic to dust. I said she might be at increased risk, but at least half the population has autoimmunity, and most of them don’t seem to be reacting to the vaccine.

I think everyone has the responsibility to inform himself and think about it before he goes for the vaccine. Medical staff cannot be expected to discuss everything with every patient. Maybe they could offer a group presentation with q and a. I think many people would be impatient if they were required to attend. I’d prefer researching it on my own. They’re trying to vaccinate many millions as quickly as possible. Those who are unconvinced it is safe enough, should not get it. Those who think it is probably safe enough and really want the disease protection, should get it. There’s no way we can predict at this time the future effects of the vaccines. What is impossible should not be expected. Informed consent in this case means that you think the testing process showed the vaccine to have a certain efficacy and to have had X adverse effects on Y number of people, and you are willing to take the risk in return for Z level of efficacy.

I saw a few minutes ago that Boris Johnson had declared a lockdown in the face of the mutated virus which is more infectious. I don’t know any details yet. But I can see where many people would be willing to take the vaccine to be protected from the virus to some degree, and bring an end to this nightmare. I think their getting in the vaccine line implies informed consent.

Emmaphiladelphia

@ CIA, Benedetta, Hera

I would swear I'm at a VOICES FOR VACCINES convention.
Tell Stanley I said hello!
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CIA
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https://archive.org/details/dr.stanleyplotkincomescleansaboutallofthevaccinesdiseasesandmorethathehaseitherc

Angus Files

Next please!

Portuguese health worker, 41, dies two days after getting the Pfizer covid vaccine as her father says he 'wants answers'
Sonia Acevedo suffered a 'sudden death' on New Year's Day 48 hours after jab
The 41-year-old mother-of-two worked in paediatrics at a hospital in Porto
Ms Acevedo had not suffered any adverse side-effects after being vaccinated
An autopsy is expected to take place either today or tomorrow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9111311/Portuguese-health-worker-41-dies-two-days-getting-Pfizer-covid-vaccine.html?fbclid=IwAR27I_QNF6Gd59XpEXlCh-RTAejas_cBIY-xdlvezQ7zuU8RnpBJEUtTFC8

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Emmaphiladelphia

@Bennedetta

"WE know that those that have an allergy or vaccines of the past are being warned by pharma companies not to take it"

Could you please post a link to their official written statement on this?

Emmaphiladelphia

@CIA

So you read this?

"Check out # 10 page 6. I wonder if Dr. Plotkin was involved with this?"
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf

I guess Senator Edward Kennedy went to his grave knowing the names. Too bad.

Benedetta

It has been said in a lot of circles; that the covid 19 is a biological weapon, but also a psychological biological weapon.

How do you get people to vaccinate regularly with a vaccine that for the most part is problematic, and down right dangerous?

Many know that the SARS vaccine is/was dangerous. Reshow case it as a new invention of mRNA as Fauci and Moderna has done. The rest of the pharmacies though wasted no time, in presenting the corona vaccines the same way they had been doing for decades.

But most of all reshow case it by scaring every one to death, one that does kill those with potential deadly diseases anyway.

My dearest, pitiful sister-in-law said to me that the covid 19 caused deaths in people with a health problem.. That she would have lost her son anyway to heart disease; at some point in the future, although she did not know it at the time. She said that some times his hands would swell up so bad that the skin became really tight and red. I know he was not feeling well prior to getting covid.

But maybe without covid he might have had more time to get help too? That chance was lost.

Do I feel like my family will be alright if we run into covid. Well strep along with a dampened immune system from a seizure med last year caused brain inflammation of my son. My daughter had inflammation of blood vessels a few years back from a Hep B and a DPT vaccine. So no, I don't know if they are healthy enough to go through covid. I am trying to though. My son is way to fat right now to face covid. I know personally a man well into his 80s that came through covid 19 just fine.

There is nothing more fearful of some that that strikes so randomly and sporadic.
But for sure, we do know that the covid 19 vaccines are causing a high number of reactions. WE know that those that have an allergy or vaccines of the past are being warned by pharma companies not to take it; as the under educated medical - professionals pay not much attention. As usual, I might add.

Hera

Cia, thank you for the link. However, it would not have applied to this woman at all.
Informed consent requires people to know if they are allergic to the vaccine ingredients. However, no one is testing for allergies to the vaccine ingredients. An interesting Catch 22.
Apparently testing for PEG allergies, for example, is so incredibly rare that this doctor had no idea how to do it.
https://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/polyethylene
From the article
"My question is how to test for a potential allergic response to macrogols/polyethylene glycol/propylene glycol. Would this be performed through skin testing? Is there any protocol in place to follow for this type of allergy?"

How can people actually give informed consent when they have no way of knowing the answer? And why isn't PEG allergy testing now required before vaccination, at the very least for people with a history of allergies?

We have no idea of the long term effects of inserting mRNA information into our cells.
We do know that when the body attacks it's own cells, that is the definition of autoimmune disease. We don't know whether the long term shoulder pain some people seem to get will turn into cancer at the injection site, as we already know is well documented with the rabies shots in animals.
We don't know the effect on fertility.
We don't even know if some of the vaccinated people will react badly to the similar Corona cold viruses that are always in circulation.
Or if the vaccine will cause increasing PEG allergies, particularly after the second shot.
We don't even know the potential life expectancy of those who receive the vaccine, because this is completely new technology, involving RNA manipulation, with no long term studies on either people or animals.
I hate animal studies, and am morally against them, but imo, if we don't do them, then human trials need to last longer; for years, rather than only months, for safety, particularly with a completely new cellular manipulating technology. If this was a regular vaccine using typical vaccine technology, at least we would have some idea what we were dealing with. In this case, no one knows, or can know.

It is helpful that the CDC, per your link, does at least acknowledge the lack of studies in people with autoimmune disease, but it is hard to see how, if studies are done, there is any way that any side effect would be directly linked to the vaccine. No matter what happens, any outcome can be blamed on the persons' pre existing condition. Haven't we already told that the person who developed transverse myelitis/ multiple sclerosis after the vaccine shouldn't blame the vaccine, because they had a pre existing condition?
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

And the CDC already says people with autoimmune disease can take the vaccine. If mandates come, 'can" may well mean "must".

John Stone makes very good points about free will.
I can respect others free will and choices, whether to vaccinate, or not, but I also feel that the information to give free consent should be presented to every person, in the same way accurate and complete way that we would want it presented to the person we love most in this world.

Anything else is dodgy.

Cia

Emma,

So tell me. If you were bitten deeply ten times by a dog diagnosed posthumously with rabies, would you get the vaccine? I have no personal interest in whether you would or would not. Does the fact that Bill Gates, Stanley Plotkin, and Paul Offitt would probably recommend that you do, mean that you would absolutely reject it, because you categorically reject everything they support?

Cia

John,

You recall correctly. But in my case, I had read that the hep-B vaccine often caused autism, and made a special effort to go to the future pediatrician’s office in early April, a month before my daughter was born, only to tell him that I didn’t want her to receive the HBV vaccine when she was born. The nursing staff at the hospital gave it to her at midnight without my knowledge or permission. Apparently my signing a general form when I checked in with no mention of any vaccine was construed as permission. She reacted with vaccine encephalitis. And reacted to the DTaP booster at 18 months with having her only two words erased, diagnosed with autism two months later.

At no point have I said that vaccines are safe. And I, of course, have MS from a reaction to the tetanus booster which paralyzed both arms for a few days starting the day of vaccination.

I think what we can see all around us, that while a certain number react to vaccines with disability, more than many people think, most do not seem to react, not obviously, anyway. I think most vaccines usually prevent the targeted diseases most of the time in most of those who get them. Soon after the vaccines for them were introduced, diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, rubella, chicken pox, and Hib meningitis, all but disappeared. There are many issues involved, many of which have been discussed here over the years. Several of these diseases are usually mild in healthy children and getting them naturally is vastly preferable for many reasons. Not diphtheria or tetanus. They have dangers for many which have not been generally recognized. The vaccination process itself is dangerous and is designed to cause inflammation, which in many is chronic and disabling. I certainly agree with all that.

But the case of an extremely contagious, widespread, often fatal or disabling, disease now “spreading like wildfire,” requires a different calculus. I completely agree that there must be no mandates. The Covid vaccines, like all others, will certainly cause disabling conditions in many of those who get it. Probably for the most part in those with a genetic predisposition to reacting to vaccines with autoimmunity. No one has the right to force anyone to risk his life, mind, and health by taking any vaccine.

But disease remains a danger for everyone, varying according to time, place, and different populations. Most people, if bitten by a rabid animal, would take the rabies vaccine, knowing that the alternative is death, even though the vaccine is reactive. At one time, you were in favor of the rubella vaccine. It causes arthritis in many women, but it ended the horrible birth defects in babies caused by rubella.

The Southern Hemisphere was reported last summer to have missed its cold and flu season thanks to the masks being used primarily to control Covid. The same is now happening in the Northern Hemisphere winter. An unintended benefit.

Vaccine companies have certainly been dishonest on innumerable occasions, including systemic criminality. All adults must inform themselves as to this. But it would be a mistake to assume that their lust for profits at any cost means that vaccines are usually ineffective or that they usually cause overt disability or death. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Yes, it is better to minimize vaccines: everyone has a vaccine tipping point beyond which he will succumb to disability.

But in this case, for large numbers, Covid in itself provokes autoimmunity. Often a chronic autoimmune condition (10% with long Covid), permanent organ damage, death for many, even often in the young and middle-aged. Here a three year old with Covid had a stroke in the last few weeks, caused by Covid, and could not move his arm. We will all be watching closely, but those with a strong desire to prevent Covid should have the option of one of the vaccines. If the companies are just making up the statistic of 90-95% immunity to Covid in the vaccinated, we’ll soon see. I doubt they are making it up. The time is now to take the vaccine to prevent large numbers from being disabled or killed by the disease, because it is literally exploding in numbers of the diagnosed, the hospitalized, the disabled, and the dead nearly everywhere, even in countries which seemed to have controlled it. I think if a large percentage of the vaxxed were being grievously harmed soon after receiving the vaccine, we would have seen it by now. Long-term, who knows?, but it seems likely that it will be similar to other vaccines. Devastating to a relatively small percentage, imperceptible in most. Those prone to autoimmunity must make the vaccine decision very carefully, but the disease itself may provoke autoimmunity in them (us).

I wrote to a friend that I agreed that the IMask protocol would be safer. It would certainly be preferable if everyone in the world took D3, zinc, and C every day. Also selenium, quercetin, and Ivermectin. But realistically, the logistics of getting them to every person in the world indefinitely, and the likelihood of everyone’s actually taking them every day indefinitely, make this plan practical only for the most disciplined and committed in the developed world. For those who are, it is certainly preferable to taking the risk of the vaccine. Those who are not should consider the option of one of the vaccines. Almost everyone in the world has access to the Internet and can look for information. The responsibility for making this decision must be left in their hands.

Emmaphiladelphia

@CIA
"Time is of the essence to prevent unimaginably high numbers of deaths. I wrote to a friend today agreeing that it will be years before we have had the chance to see what kind and how many reactions will be caused. But waiting until we get the complete picture means many thousands will die and be disabled unnecessarily. Failure to act is also an act with ethical consequences."

LOL! Straight out of the Bill Gates fear mongering manual.

Check out # 10 page 6. I wonder if Dr. Plotkin was involved with this?
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf

John Stone

Cia

Let’s get back to basics - why most of us are here. We are here because we trusted the government and the medical profession (broadly speaking) that the products they were injecting into our children were “safe and effective”, but they weren’t, or it is certainly not our experience, and this is what people are being told now about the Covid vaccines with very little data. Don’t you feel that you should not have been given this rubric before your child was given the Hep B vaccine (if remember correctly)? Don’t you think you should have been given a franker assessment not only of the risks and benefits, but of the need?

Excellent here from Mommaerts et al:

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4924/rr-5

John Stone

Emma

I did note your citation of this interesting document though punning on Cia’s name does not get us anywhere much:

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/hearings/95mkultra.pdf

It is unfortunate that spell checks automatically correct Cia to CIA.

John Stone

Cia,

The problem is not that of not acting when you might have done, it is actually that of acting in an effective and useful way: as Dr Marc Girard ironically remarked at the time of the swine flu farrago “in the Middle Ages they would have burned some Jews, that would have been doing something”. So, what I find truly wicked today is the last vestiges of normality being sacrificed to things for which there is no evidence. When it gets to vaccines I am appalled by the intellectual whimsy: they are not sufficiently tested, the data is not good enough and deploying them in case they might do something when they might do immense harm (both individual and collective) is against all medical ethics.

To a great degree we are dealing with deception - apparently all the other viral respiratory infections have suddenly officially disappeared, people who have been shot dead are registered as Covid victims because they have had a positive PCR test in the last 28 days (this is just an example). I used to be impressed with your intellectual independence even if it did not always agree with all the readers here, but I am truly bothered by the complete uncritical acceptance of the agenda. In the old days you used to argue about evidence and I don’t think you are anymore. When it comes to the vaccines it is an article of faith - even while the injuries pile up we have no worthwhile evidence that they will be effective or not have awful long term consequences. I cannot see any rational scientific strategy behind this, only a manipulative political one on the road to global tyranny. Our officials and politicians are blocking effective measures - supplements, medicines - which could have made a huge difference because actually the restoration of normality was never apparently the objective. We should not easily buy into their alternative.

Cia

Thank you, Cait!

I watched today’s (yesterday’s?) Dr John Campbell Video half an hour ago. He gives a lot of the weekend’s figures for the U.K. and the US. The U.K. has two thousand more in hospital than at its peak in April. One usually sober physician said Covid is spreading like wildfire. Dr Campbell was astounded at how slowly the UK, US, and France are vaccinating. France is vaccinating 250 a day.

Time is of the essence to prevent unimaginably high numbers of deaths. I wrote to a friend today agreeing that it will be years before we have had the chance to see what kind and how many reactions will be caused. But waiting until we get the complete picture means many thousands will die and be disabled unnecessarily. Failure to act is also an act with ethical consequences.

I think everyone should be told the facts as far as we know them, and then let people choose. Probably the vaccines will be like all other vaccines (some more than others), causing neurological and autoimmune conditions in the genetically most vulnerable. But the disease often does that and more. Those with a tendency toward autoimmune disease must make a hard decision: either way they (we) go could have terrible, permanent effects. Everyone should be told the facts as we know them, including the lack of assessment over a long period of time, and be permitted to choose or refuse. But the vaccines should be one of the available options, even though they were developed with unprecedented rapidity. They had to be, to be able to be used against a terrible disease which is spreading like wildfire.

The king of Sweden spoke last week expressing his sorrow that Sweden made the wrong choice, resulting in eight thousand largely unnecessary deaths, where the other Scandinavian countries, which locked down, only had hundreds. Sweden is now considering a law which would strictly implement many control measures. Too late for eight thousand Swedes. Inaction is also an action.

John Stone

Cait

And you may be putting words into my mouth:

“It is possible to believe that the pharma industry is corrupt and lacking transparency, without necessarily concluding that all pharmaceutical products are therefore more dangerous than the diseases or conditions they were developed to prevent or treat.”

I am not assuming that about all pharmaceutical products, I am talking about these products where “marketing” at this stage of knowledge is a manifest travesty, and reckless wishful thinking.

Cait

@ John (and Cia)

“But we seem to be going round in circles: you seem to think it is fair game to mislead and confuse people and I don’t.”

Where does Cia say it’s okay to mislead and confuse people? You seem to think it is fair game to put words into her mouth, and then take her to task for them. I think you are going round in circles all on your own.

It is possible to believe that the pharma industry is corrupt and lacking transparency, without necessarily concluding that all pharmaceutical products are therefore more dangerous than the diseases or conditions they were developed to prevent or treat.

From what I have read, Cia agrees with you on many points. But she is entitled to her own perspective, and to keep an open mind on the relative risks of Covid-19 and these new vaccine(s).

Emmaphiladelphia

The Covid 19 vaccine makers have NO LIABILITY for any harm caused by the vaccine. They cover themselves by declaring one should NOT administer the vaccine to individuals with a known history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine.

I would conclude that the onus is on the person giving the vaccine to ask the recipient if they have a known history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine. The onus is ON THE VACCINE RECIPIENT to read a listing of the vaccine components and determine for themselves if it is safe to take the vaccine. THIS IS INFORMED CONSENT.

The moral problem with this is that these particular products use novel vaccine technology and components. Very few have been exposed to them, and no long term safety profiles have been done.
The only way to ensure safety is to REFUSE THE VACCINE.

Emmaphiladelphia

DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE....

#hearthiswell
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

Emmaphiladelphia

@Hera

KEEP REPEATING:

"There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID‑19."
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/recipients/

If the COVID-19 EUA declaration is terminated or authorization is revoked, the vaccine goes away.
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/

Some people don't hear well....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGVqXW_yPJk

Cia

Hera,

The CDC says that both those with weakened immune systems and those with autoimmune conditions may take the Covid vaccine (if they want to), but should be aware that there are no data establishing the vaccine’s safety for people with those conditions.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/underlying-conditions.html

That’s fair. These people must make a tough decision. The disease may be even more serious for them than for many others (but may not as well), while the vaccine may or may not also be more dangerous for them.

Hera

The article implies that the nurse somehow did something wrong. What?
We have been told by the CDC that people with bee venom allergies should get the shot.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/allergic-reaction.html
From the CDC site
If you have allergies not related to vaccines
CDC recommends that people with a history of severe allergic reactions not related to vaccines or injectable medications—such as food, pet, venom, environmental, or latex allergies—get vaccinated. People with a history of allergies to oral medications or a family history of severe allergic reactions may also get vaccinated.

Dr Paul Offit gives the same advice
Dr. Paul Offit told CNN early Wednesday that severe allergic reactions to vaccines occur in about one of every 1.4 million shots. That's why people are asked to stay in a doctor's office for a few minutes after a vaccination, said Offit, an infectious disease specialist and director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

Rather than a "blanket recommendation" for people with allergies, "the smarter thing to do would be to try and look at these two patients and see what specific component of the vaccine they were allergic to," he said.

There are immediate treatments for allergic reactions, he noted.

So, even though she stayed in the doctors office, as she was supposed to, she still died and had to be resuscitated, and now may have seizure disorder, which if uncontrolled, can be devastating and life changing.
And of course, there is no real source of compensation available to her.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/12/29/595414.html
From the article

"Most claims have to be filed within a year of getting a vaccine, regardless of when side effects show up, and the program does not pay fees for lawyers or expert witnesses. It provides little opportunity for those filing claims to participate. And the awards do not pay for suffering or damages.

“It’s illusory,” said Sarasota, Florida-based vaccine lawyer Anne Carrion Toale. “No one is going to actually get compensation in that program"

Health Canada gives similar advice, though they say to talk with your doctor before getting the shot.

Who knew having a conversation could prevent anaphlylaxis? Or perhaps the idea is so the doctor can line up the epi pens and try and get them in you before you die from anaphylaxis?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/health-canada-warns-people-with-allergies-to-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-ingredients-to-not-get-it-1.5228742

'Health Canada also urged individuals who have experienced a serious allergic reaction to another vaccine, drug, or food to speak with their health-care professional before they receive the vaccine."

At least imo, the U.K. seems to actually care about its allergic citizens.

Donna L, yes, I agree, and beautifully put. Honeymoon phase it is.

John Stone

Cia
I don’t know - I am sure that we should not pretend that it is double blind placebo when it is not. It may be that it is a major limitation of vaccine science.

Emmaphiladelphia

Thank you Frontline Workers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjZR6Htma18

John Stone

Emma

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s15010-020-01486-5#Sec3

I recognise, however, the problems outlined by Ronald.

Emmaphiladelphia

OH MY!
Did the Donald finally say he would take the vaccine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Cia

John,

How should a trial be designed so that subjects plausibly feel that they might have gotten the vaccine being tested even when they haven’t?

Emmaphiladelphia

@ John Stone

What is the physical difference between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV 2?
Here is a detailed description of corona viruses, including SARS-CoV: https://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-4939-2438-7_1

Where is one for SARS-CoV 2? Some have claimed it has never been isolated. What are the PCR tests based on?

Ronald N. Kostoff

John,

The major issue here, from my perspective, is differentiating between dying with COVID-19 or dying from COVID-19. Measuring the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in biological samples is relatively objective, if done properly. Attributing a death to the presence of the virus in biological samples (which is how some people define COVID-19) when there are myriad comorbidities present is a subjective arbitrary act, with strong political overtones. Providing vaccines inadequately tested for safety, especially long-term safety, is bad policy, especially if these vaccines are given to young people who have minimum vulnerability to the more serious consequences associated with COVID-19 yet will bear the brunt of any long-term vaccine-driven problems that arise. I have published these conclusions in the peer-reviewed biomedical literature, so it's not arm-waving like some of the comments I see on these blogs from unnamed posters.

Emmaphiladelphia

@ Hera

I agree!

And here's another one down the memory hole:

Found the full documented study on SARS-CoV vaccines from 2012. They admit that while the vaccines induced serum neutralizing immunizing antibodies, "All mice exhibited histopathologic changes in lungs two days after challenge including all animals vaccinated (Balb/C and C57BL/6) or given live virus, influenza vaccine, or PBS suggesting infection occurred in all. Histopathology seen in animals given one of the SARS-CoV vaccines was uniformly a Th2-type immunopathology with prominent eosinophil infiltration, confirmed with special eosinophil stains. The pathologic changes seen in all control groups lacked the eosinophil prominence.”

"Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0035421

John Stone

Cia

I would say the figure of 100% sounds impressive (you can’t do better than that!) but is meaningless and delusory in the context. It’s all very well warning that the vaccine “isn’t a walk in the park” (when for most young people the disease is a walk in the park) but no one can truthfully say whether it can prevent the spread of the disease or stop people dying of it, so it sounds much better than it is. Even more to the point no one can say what the medium/long term fall out is - the fact is that this has been not been tested for and no one knows. You can easily make out that what you don’t yet know is not important but there is nothing in the history of these matters to support this reckless policy. To my mind it is unethical and deeply dishonest. To present a trial as double-blind placebo when effectively it cannot be borders on fraud. We also know that conducting tests against another vaccine leads to masking the harms. Neither path is remotely credible or satisfactory.

But we seem to be going round in circles: you seem to think it is fair game to mislead and confuse people and I don’t.

John Stone

Ronald

I know a lot of doctors and scientist opposed to the big agenda that don’t agree with Jon Rappoport about the non-existence of the disease. Governments which can’t tell the truth to save their lives themselves create much confusion: for instance Public Health England wrote to me on 10 December saying they had only identified the virus by PCR but 6 days later told a journalist that they had DNA sequenced the virus from 142,000 samples.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857/rr-4

There was a case today where the senior nurse at a London children’s hospital said that they had a ward of children with Covid and then a consultant tweeted to say it was not true. Probably the lady said this because she wanted to scare people into acting with caution and this is what they do all the time (some perhaps consider from the best of motives) but the erosion of public trust gets worse and worse, and they can’t tell the truth to save their lives.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9106509/Coronavirus-London-childrens-hospital-consultant-says-wards-NOT-youngsters-Covid.html

Cia

John,

Dr. Campbell said that there were not a very large number of cases on which the figure of 100% protected from severe cases was based, but that’s all that is available at this time. It’s still an impressive figure, even if it eventually turns out to be less than that.

They’ve been using the term “not a walk in the park” to describe the experience of being vaxxed, and say you should expect to feel very unwell especially after the second dose and stay home from work. So I think people have been told what to expect. The common side effects are still better than the effects of a severe or fatal case of Covid.

They were using the meningitis vaccine in the controls in some countries to make it harder to tell if subjects had gotten the vaccine or a placebo. Personally I’d rather they used a saline placebo anyway.

In my city they took the Moderna vaccine to a nursing home Thursday. 80% of the patients took it and 50% of the staff. I think it’s fine that it’s voluntary. As far as I know, it hasn’t been mandated anywhere, and it shouldn’t be. The situation will be changing constantly and we’ll be getting new data to consider.

The mother of a friend in Mexico City was hospitalized for a month with Covid, and all three of her sisters got it. One of his brothers there got it in November: he stayed at home, but his family had to make an effort to get oxygen tanks for him, as he needed supplemental oxygen. He’s 58 and was very ill. Oscar said hospitals were where you went to die. Another friend told me yesterday that her son in New York City had Covid recently, but he’s 26, young and healthy, and did not have a severe case.

Both hospitals here have said they won’t mandate the vaccine for staff, which I was glad to see. But it is a frightening situation, deaths even of healthy, young doctors and nurses are frequent. Like everyone else, I hope the pandemic will end this year.

Ronald N. Kostoff

Interesting perspective on COVID-19 by Jon Rappoport.

Why do hypocritical officials violate their own COVID rules?
by Jon Rappoport

The open secret

by Jon Rappoport

January 1, 2021

The latest example of hypocrisy is Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus advisor. It turns out she traveled to meet her family for Thanksgiving after telling Americans not to travel, not to gather with family outside their immediate households.

Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, told the public they should celebrate Thanksgiving outdoors. Then he was caught having dinner, indoors, at a restaurant, unmasked, with 12 people.

There are other examples.

The usual explanation: these officials are arrogant and believe they’re above the law. They want to thumb their noses at the little people.

Yes, no doubt. But a more direct reason is staring us in the face.

The hypocritical officials know the whole COVID pandemic is a fraud.

They know there is no danger.

They know the lockdowns are unnecessary.

That’s why these officials break their own rules.

Why would they expose themselves to “the virus,” unless they knew they were safe?

Some of them believe they’re trapped in a political apparatus that offers no exit. They must go along with the show. They must participate in the fraud because, for example, federal dollars flow into their states, and those dollars are contingent on “playing the COVID game.”

Other officials have been bribed, blackmailed, threatened.

Regardless, they know they can flout their own rules because there is no health risk, no danger.

The risk is on the level of betting on a boxing match, when the bout is fixed, and you know who will win.

People will say, “These officials aren’t smart enough to figure out COVID is a fraud.”

You don’t have to be smart, you don’t have to understand all the intricate details of the fake test, the fake case and death numbers based on the test. You just need to understand enough.

You just need to be clued in.

This would suggest the COVID fraud is an open secret, shared by many in power. I believe that is exactly the case.

For purposes of comparison, consider a level of “secret understanding” slightly above that of politicians. Government scientists.

These scientists are fully aware that the PCR test for COVID is a complete hoax—for reasons I’ve detailed over the past nine months. Therefore, the scientists also know the case numbers based on those tests are fraudulent. And they know the case numbers are used as the rationale for the lockdowns.

That’s a lot of knowing. That’s a lot of “open secret.”

Here’s another comparison. PCR techs in labs all over the world, who are running the test, are fully cognizant of the crimes they’re committing every day—by utilizing “too many cycles” and therefore destroying any shred of validity when diagnosing ANYTHING.

Sharing this open secret among themselves, they otherwise remain silent.

Getting the picture?

The open secret of the COVID fraud isn’t confined to a dozen people in a sealed room. It’s high and wide. It’s understood by many in positions of power and responsibility, all over the world.

You can add your own lists of “secret sharers.” Mainstream physicians, for example. Physicians who are in charge of administering the COVID vaccines they know are unnecessary and dangerous. They also remain silent. So do certain news media people.

And since there are so many people who know the real score, we can begin to see the degree and extent of complicity that is driving the whole pandemic hoax.

This isn’t only a small conspiracy of movers and shakers who planned it and launched it.

This is a very wide-ranging conspiracy of silence.

“Don’t blame me. I’m just following orders.”

“But you know COVID is a total fraud.”

“Of course I know.”

“And you know others who know.”

“Many others.”

“Case closed.”

Which is to say, case WIDE OPEN.

The COVID situation is directly analogous to the Nazi, USSR, and Chinese bureaucracies; faceless workers passing on and obeying orders.

Many of the workers know those orders, no matter how they are dressed up, are arbitrary and evil.

The orders are initiated to destroy lives and freedom, and are transferred through the human machinery of The Complicit Silent Ones.

greyone

"Even the CDC has been saying that people with allergies and other autoimmune disorders should think carefully before taking the vaccine"

I am not aware of the CDC using the words "think carefully", although it is a nice thought.
Their last stance was avoid it if you are allergic to the vaccine ingredients.

there are not 2 sides to informed consent.

John Stone

Cia

There were two sides no doubt in the Second World War. The problem is the fantasy that these are properly tested products - yes people want a miracle cure but regulation is still a bad joke. They want a miracle cure so badly they are prepared to overlook it even when they are more seriously hurt than they probably would have been by the disease. Plainly John Campbell did not understand the limitations of the data: there were no severe cases in the vaccinated arm of the Pfizer study but there were not very many cases in the entire study even supposing it was adequately blinded. According to Pfizer’s submission to the FDA:

"The most common solicited adverse reactions were injection site reactions (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%),
headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%); severe adverse
reactions occurred in 0.0% to 4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2 than after Dose 1,
and were generally less frequent in participants ≥55 years of age (≤2.8%) as compared to younger
participants (≤4.6%)."

So, say about 99% of the time participants would have known whether they had had the vaccine or inert placebo, so first of all the blinding claim is false. Secondly, it would have influence people’s view of what was wrong with them. The fact that Campbell said this does not make it a good point at all, though he has made many other better ones.

People should expect the state to protect them from this kind of deception either by having proper regulation, or by not having any regulation at all and leaving people to make up their own minds - and either way the manufacturers must not be protected from liability so the harm is purely at the public’s risk and expense.

You are quite right that such is the willingness of at least parts of the public to believe, that they are willing to overlook the greatest absurdities.

Emmaphiladelphia

This CBC is an interesting website.

The photo used was submitted by "Deborah Tilli" herself according to text below the photo. Was the photo photoshopped? Her eyelashes and brows could certainly disguise her identity. If you look at the writing on the pillow(?) next to the child on the right, the photo has been reversed, and the writing below the larger type is not in English. I find it odd that the photo somewhat features the two minor children. Usually a parent would want to protect their privacy. She claims to be "one of the first health care workers in the city to get the vaccine." The article goes on to feature the ACTUAL first recipient, a minority woman with a very pained look on her face. This photo was officially submitted by "Hamilton Health Sciences." According to the photo, I don't see evidence that aceptic protocol conditions were followed. Ungloved hands touching injection site. Unsterile environment.

Deborah Tilli calls out Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine she was given.

"Hamilton Public Health Services declined a request for comment, but Colin Furness, an infection control epidemiologist at the University of Toronto, says Tilli's experience with the vaccine doesn't mean it is unsafe." ""One is public communication that says if you have severe allergies, this is not the vaccine for you, not now, not yet. Wait for Moderna, perhaps."
So, the article is pushing Moderna as safer. That's my take.

According to Tilli, " the nurse looking over her file lacked confidence about what they were doing." ""I do have a severe allergy to bumblebees, and the nurse went over that with me and even questioned me about it, but ... it seemed like she really didn't know what she was doing," This is a subjective and irrelevant statement. Contraindications for the current Covid 19 vaccines are limited to a KNOWN history of severe allergic reaction to any component in the actual vaccine. Bee stings don't count. Is a copy of all the vaccine ingredients made available to citizens to look over before getting the vaccine? How else could it be determined beforehand not to vaccinate? I guess to get compensation in the U.S. one would have to prove that your body reacted to a component of the vaccine. How would this be done? Who would pay for this investigation?
The game is lose/lose.

Hera
Cia

There are two sides. Even the CDC has been saying that people with allergies and other autoimmune disorders should think carefully before taking the vaccine as they are at higher risk of reaction. As was mentioned, many of those who have reacted still say they’re glad they got it. The Iranian doctor in the US who reacted the other day said he had had a shellfish allergy since he was twelve. He knew the risk but decided to take the vaccine anyway. I will not say he was mistaken. Today a Virginia legislator died of Covid and Tuesday one from Louisiana just forty years old.

Dr. John Campbell said in his video yesterday, in which he discussed the new policy of giving one dose and then waiting three months or longer before giving the second dose, that current statistics are showing that one dose prevents 100% of severe cases. So they want to give as many people as possible at least partial protection.

Those with autoimmunity should certainly research it and think about their personal risks carefully. There are alternative ways to prevent and treat covid. But even those with autoimmunity may want the vaccine protection. We will be getting much more data to consider in the coming months.

Beleaguered Autism Mom

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-doctor-hospitalized-receiving-covid-161129180.html
Will we ever hear the opinion of those who say I wish I had not taken the vaccine?

John Stone

British government are hiring vaccinators more or less off the street

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9105365/Volunteer-vaccinators-told-not-interviewed-roles-January-31.html

When they had the consultation last September I tried to warn them

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/09/response-to-the-british-government-proposal-to-roll-out-a-covd-19-vaccine-before-christmas.html

No question all sense has been abandoned.

Emmaphiladelphia

If the COVID-19 EUA declaration is terminated or authorization is revoked, the vaccine goes away.
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/

Emmaphiladelphia

KEEP REPEATING:

"There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID‑19."
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/recipients/

Ronald N. Kostoff

Here's an even better example (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-31-physician-vouches-for-moderna-vaccine-that-almost-took-his-life.html). A Boston physician had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine, but still recommends it, albeit in a hospital setting if you have known allergies. He is listed as a Medical Oncologist in WebMD (https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/hossein-sadrzadeh-741115c6-76a2-4295-b829-986ac82dfbf3-overview), which I would assume requires six-eight years of post-graduate medical training. What about if you have allergies that you haven't experienced previously because you haven't been exposed to the allergens previously?

Donna L.

Most likely, she is still in the honeymoon phase of trauma and still has yet to put all the pieces back together and fully realize what happened to her. I think all of us whose kids were vaccine-damaged probably went through a similar phase, thinking/believing that medical staff didn't mean to harm our kids, forgiving them for their negligence, etc.
Only after time do you start to look at it all objectively and discover the full impact of what has happened and the roles other people played in allowing it to happen.
I'd give her a bit of time, especially since she herself works in healthcare and is therefore much less likely to come to terms with the complete level of incompetence that can go on in that field.

greyone

I noticed reading through the VAERS, some other reports of reactions of various types among those allergic to bee stings, shellfish, and penicillin.

Marianna

The Sheeple are practicing social Darwinism at its finest.

drymeadow

Let me get this straight, her heart stopped beating after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, she required CPR, and she still recommends the vaccine ?

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said he hasn’t received his company’s Covid-19 vaccine shot yet, telling CNBC that he and other executives will not “cut the line.”

Albert, you can cut the line anytime you want. And then go back to Greece where the value of a human life is zero.

Angus Files

How about that for brainwashing the complete package as shown by this lady.
The ammount of people in my town who believe Joe Biden is the President is even for me unbelievable,its as if you just poked them in the eye they go back with such a jolt when you say Trump is still President Err but it is in the papers - the BBC etc etc they reply.As everyone on here knows dealing with autism you have to think before you speak as the autistic could end off on the wrong path for months years repeating something that they cant work out.Rational is holidaying in Dubai..Best bet for news is Trumps Twitter.

One from the BBC whether true or not further investigation needed for sure.

Coronavirus: Israel leads vaccine race with 1m given jab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55514243

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

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