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Moderna Rakes in A Billion for a Vaccine While Dr. Fauci Says the First CoVaxes Will Only Prevent Symptoms

Covid Prevention
Charles M Schultz


McDonald's burgers, Carl Sagan's stars and now Moderna's attempt at a Covid vaccine. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS.

1) Why does this CNBC article, albeit a written for business perspective, call the Moderna vaccine a "drug?"

2) If the raison d'etre for vaccines is to PREVENT disease, why did Dr. Fauci say Preventing symptoms is a “primary endpoint” in the vaccine development process, Fauci said. Getting rid of the virus altogether is considered a “secondary endpoint.” Source WebMd  Early Vaccines Will Prevent Symptoms, Not Virus

Have you ever seen a flu vaccine campaign that talked about symptoms? No, they talk about prevention, because THAT is what we have been lead to believe vaccines are supposed to do. Prevent the disease.  Tamiflu, a debacle of its own, is to ameliorate symptoms. It's a drug.  And if the Covid vaccine prevent symptoms, won't people go about their business and infect those around them at a much higher rate if they are symptom free? Symptoms = early detection.

What is a vaccine: A vaccine is a substance that helps protect against certain diseases. Vaccines contain a dead or weakened version of a microbe. It helps your immune system recognize and destroy the living microbe during a future infection.
Source: WebMD

Vaccines versus Medicines: Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don’t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.

A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.

This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them. Source: CDC

Moderna says it’s preparing global launch of Covid vaccine as it takes in $1.1 billion in depositsModerna says it’s preparing global launch of Covid vaccine as it takes in $1.1 billion in deposits

Moderna is prepping for the global launch of its potential coronavirus vaccine, already taking in $1.1 billion in deposits from governments awaiting the potentially lifesaving drug, the biotech firm said Thursday in its third-quarter earnings report.

The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company said it was in ongoing talks with the World Health Organization-backed COVAX initiative on a tiered pricing proposal for its potential vaccine, which it’s tentatively calling mRNA-1273. It already has supply agreements in North America, the Middle East and in other regions of the world.

Shares of Moderna were up more than 3% in midmorning trading.

 

Comments

Emmaphiladelphia

@Go Trump

I'll name my star "Betelgeuse 19."

Aren't insect parts part of the current brew?

Go Trump

I understand that you will now also get a "star named after you" when you take the CV19 vaccine.

Even after 7.2 Billion names there still will be stars left over.

Tim Lundeen

FAUCI JUST TANKED THE COVID19 VACCINE PROGRAM – AND NO ONE NOTICED -- James Lyons-Weiler

https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/11/03/fauci-just-tanked-the-covid19-vaccine-program-and-no-one-noticed/

False Scientists

It’s all so unbelievable stupid and the media is complicit.

hera

Thanks ,Emmaphiladelphia,

Cia, you might find this article useful as well.

To paraphrase; a leaky vaccine reduces symptoms but still allows the vaccinated person/animal to carry and infect with the virus strain, or to carry even more deadly strains of the virus.
" Leaky vaccines" per the article, tend to be quicker to make, and tend to be made for viruses (like COVID) where natural immunity does not last for a lifetime.

https://www.livescience.com/51682-vaccines-evolve-deadlier-viruses.html

From the article

Many animal vaccines are known as leaky vaccines, which means they reduce symptoms but people can still be infected by the viruses. Most human vaccines, such as for polio, and the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine are perfect vaccines, so they also stop transmission of the disease in question, Read said. (It's not clear why some vaccines are leaky, but diseases where the body does a good job of creating lifelong immunity after a single exposure, such as for childhood diseases like measles, seem to be more suited to the development of perfect vaccines, Read added.)

"Diseases for which natural immunity is not good — we have real trouble building these vaccines," Read told Live Science. "That's because natural immunity is quite leaky, and we have trouble generating anything that's better than nature."

Still, it's at least possible that the same effect could be seen in humans. Some of the newest vaccines — notably whooping cough, malaria and HIV vaccines — are leaky, Read said.

Angus Files

"Prevent symptoms" and thats all Fauci is admitting to no death destruction of health..anyway no worries the share holder is totally protected.

By Peter Andrews, Irish science journalist and writer based in London. He has a background in the life sciences, and graduated from the University of Glasgow with a degree in genetics.

A senior executive for pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca has confirmed that his company cannot face legal action for any potential side effects caused by its Covid vaccine. Those affected will have no legal recourse.
AstraZeneca is one of 25 pharmaceutical companies worldwide already testing their Covid vaccines on humans, in preparation for injecting hundreds of millions of people. These are flush times for Britain’s largest pharmaceutical company, worth something in the order of £70 million. They have just reported bumper profits of $12.6 billion in the last six months alone.

But despite its healthy balance sheet, AstraZeneca is unwilling to be held responsible for any potential side effects of its ‘hopeful’ vaccine candidate. In other words, the company is completely protected, or indemnified, against lawsuits from people who are injected with their vaccine and experience negative effects, regardless of how severe or long-lasting they are.

The firm’s lawyers have demanded that clauses to that effect be put in their contracts with the countries AstraZeneca has agreed to supply with its Covid vaccine. The company says that, without such guarantees of indemnity, they would not be incentivised to produce the drug. And it seems most of the countries have ceded to this demand.

Read More
https://www.rt.com/news/496801-pharma-not-accountable-vaccine-effect/

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Emmaphiladelphia

@CIA

This overview might help clarify your points:

"What Is a Viral Infection?
A viral infection is a proliferation of a harmful virus inside your body. Viruses cannot reproduce without the assistance of a host. Viruses infect a host by introducing their genetic material into the cells and hijacking the cell's internal machinery to make more virus particles. With an active viral infection, a virus makes copies of itself and bursts the host cell (killing it) to set the newly-formed virus particles free. In other cases, virus particles "bud" off the host cell over a period of time before killing the host cell. Either way, new virus particles are then free to infect other cells."
https://www.onhealth.com/content/1/viral_infections

This is the important point:
"Symptoms of the viral illness occur as a result of cell damage, tissue destruction, and the associated immune response."

To the degree we notice viral illness symptoms, is indicative of the viral LOAD and location. Currently, without any treatment, Covid can manifest mild symptoms and then progress to severe acute respiratory infection. Over time, if the body can't produce enough antibodies to kill them or has too many ACE inhibitors (found in the elderly), the viral load can increase exponentially which increases cell/tissue destruction.

The mRNA vaccine deceives the cell into producing a key viral protein by injecting the mRNA code for it. The entire virus is not used. The theory is that the cell produced virus antigen (protein) will trigger an immune response that would attack future invading Sars Cov2 virus.

According to this Harvard article, there could be a problem with insufficient immunity produced. This might reduce SYMPTOMS, but does not completely eliminate viral load. Hence, someone can have mild or no symptoms AND still be a carrier.

"The discovery was made to help overcome deficiencies with classical in vitro transcribed (IVT) mRNA. IVT-mRNA contain the code for protein production, and when delivered to target cells, are translated by cell machinery to produce antigen. The antigen, which could be cancer- or pathogen-specific, subsequently elicit an immune response from the host. While IVT-mRNA represents a novel vaccine class and provides advantages over traditional protein vaccines, such as ease of manufacture and favorable safety profile, one challenge is potentially insufficient immunity induced by IVT-mRNA alone."
https://otd.harvard.edu/explore-innovation/technologies/self-adjuvanting-mrna-platform-technology/

Emmaphiladelphia

@Bennedetta
"They will do as they please regardless unless we can stop them."
How do you propose we stop them?

The crazy Michigan governor has told restaurant owners that they must record name, address, and phone #'s for Covid tracking. If they don't, SIX MONTHS IN JAIL!

Cia

Hera,

How would the mRNA product work to prevent symptoms, but not infection? What viral protein would teach the immune system not to mount a fever, or cause a cough, but still allow the invasion of the virus? The idea is that the product teaches the immune system to produce an antigen and then antibodies to the antigen, which is not for the complete virus, but only one protein. How could the person have antibodies which target coronavirus, killing it, not get any symptoms, but still transmit it to others? If it works the way it is supposed to, any virus which later tries to attack the treated person will be killed.

I read what Fauci said, and it is very tenuous. We would be happy if the vaccine... Nothing about actual tests, or successful or unsuccessful concrete results.

This is just the standard article about the product preventing infection.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-safe-produces-immune-response

greyone

thanks for sharing the video, Tim Lundeen.

Cia

Hera,

The mRNA vaccine is designed to teach the immune system to make its own CV antigen and then antibodies against one protein in the coronavirus, and, when it sees it, attack and kill it. And that kills the whole virus, not just the one protein. The whole point is to have the immune system react and kill the virus. Again, I think it will be Ike a super-vaccine in provoking inflammation and autoimmune disease. If it works the way it is supposed to, it will protect the vaccinated person from getting covid or transmitting it. I think we need to wait and see how effective and reactive it is. I wouldn’t believe what Fauci said without independent confirmation.

I think the potential of this tresatment to be used for cancer is very interesting. I don’t think it’s ready for Prime Time and I think it would be foolish to get it when there are traditional vaccines which could be used instead. And, again, we wouldn’t take those either, but I’m glad they’re available.

Pete

Excellent posts from Emmaphiladelphia and Hera, and thanks TOB for the Offit link and detail.

Angus Files

Trump possibly to fire Fauci after election- makes the week worth living!! "FIRE FAUCI,FIRE FAUCI FIRE FAUCI..."

2.48 into clip below

Trump hints at firing Dr Fauci as US sets new COVID-19 case record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NRYtoH2FxE

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Benedetta

Gals my friends , it makes no difference what the definition of vaccine is or is given by our tyrannical government health agencies

They will do as they please regardless unless we can stop them.

Hera

Hi Cia,
The vaccine as Emmmaphiladelphia points out, is described as a vaccine which can only reduce the symptoms.'It is is not designed ( or capable) of stopping the virus from replicating. The only thing it can do is reduce symptoms. That means that vaccinated people can and will transmit the virus.

On a society level then, what you are creating is 100s of thousands of people who can carry, replicate and spread the virus, without appearing to be sick. (Asymptomatic carriers.) But worse than that, as has already happened with MEREKS vaccine in chickens, a vaccine that only prevents symptoms while allowing the virus to replicate, can, and in the case of MEREKS did, promote even more deadly virus strains. The link to that is in my previous comment.

Basically what happened; deadly strains of the virus normally kill so quickly they don't have time to spread. Unless you have a reservoir of symptom free carriers (Marek vaccinated chickens with a "symptoms only" vaccine) who can carry and pass on more and more deadly mutations. This is not theory. It already has happened with MEREKS vaccinated chickens, creating a strain that is 100% deadly for all infected chickens, and which kills quicker than ebola does.


Certainly as you pointed out, there are also risks for the individual vaccinated person of autoimmune conditions, possible transverse myelitis/paralysis, etc. There are also no safety studies to indicate the safety profile, and/ or the potential for genetic damage or damage to unborn fetuses. ( The fact that the studies require people to refrain from getting pregnant during the study seems to indicate a possible risk..

But society at large is also risking serious harm if vaccinated, asymptomatic carriers end up producing more and more deadly mutations, which can spread to those who need to be protected, perhaps producing a 100%, completely deadly version of COVID.
That is the difference between a vaccine which stops spread of an illness,( and hence reduces the illness in society) and a vaccine which only masks the symptoms, and hence allows for mutations of the virus to spread.

Emmaphiladelphia

"How would an mRNA non-Vaccine......"

@ CIA

You are spreading disinfo. Please see my previous comment below.
In the USA, Moderna was awarded $ billions to create a Federally defined "vaccine" and "taxable vaccine" which their product fits. Fauci uses the word "vaccine" for their product:

"Preventing symptoms is a “primary endpoint” in the vaccine development process, Fauci said. Getting rid of the virus altogether is considered a “secondary endpoint.”

According to the Federal LEGAL definition, a vaccine can contain anything and it doesn't have to work-just be "designed...for the prevention of." It does not even have to be specifically for a communicable disease.

"(2) Vaccine
The term ‘‘vaccine’’ means any substance
designed to be administered to a human being
for the prevention of 1 or more diseases."
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2006-title26/pdf/USCODE-2006-title26-subtitleD-chap32-subchapC-sec4132.pdf

Cia

Hera,

How would an mRNA non-Vaccine create hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic carriers (you mean infectious with the disease?). The infectious weakened or killed virus is not used. Instructions on encoding one of its proteins are given to the immune system of the recipient, no infectious part included, so the immune system then makes antibodies to it, as it does to ANY foreign substance of any nature appearing in the bloodstream. Unless there’s more to it than this, the recipient can’t spread the disease to anyone else. Maybe there is more. Has anyone caught Covid from exposure to someone who has been given the instructions to encode a single Covid protein?

I think the danger of provoking uncontrollable inflammation and a autoimmune syndromes is the real danger, and it is so great that I don’t think they should introduce the vaccine before spending many years studying it and it’s reactions. I think they should introduce one of the traditional vaccines already developed, and make it a free choice, not mandated.

Hera

Cia,
I did misread your support for this vaccine, and apologise for that.
Hostility? No. Disagreement sometimes, agreement other times? Yes.
Those vaccinated will become asymptomatic carriers. It is a given, and is implicit in the design of the vaccine.(It will relieve symptoms, but still allow people to carry the virus.)
So the question is, should these people who have been turned into asymptomatic carriers by the vaccine, be quarantined or not?
Given that they are likely ( per previous study with MEREKS vaccine used in chickens) to carry even worse mutations of the virus, then either we say they must be quarantined, to protect the vulnerable, or we admit it has never been about protecting the vulnerable.

Tim Lundeen

Wake the Health Up: https://themuze.org/portfolio/wake-the-health-up/

Cia

Hera,

I said here that I thought it was too dangerous for us to get. Last week I said that the idea was interesting, especially if it could instruct people’s immune systems to attack and kill their cancerous tumors, but there were so many risks and unknowns that they’d need to work on it for several decades using a small number of volunteers.

I have not promoted it. I am wary of it. Talking of the traditional Russian and Chinese vaccines, last week I said they were the devil we knew. Meaning they wouldn’t be safe, but still provoke often disabling autoimmune response, but that might be better than the effects of the new mRNA non-vaccines. Of the two types, if I were forced to choose, I’d choose the traditional type, but we don’t plan to choose either one.

But yes, I support the quarantine of asymptomatic carriers who are capable of transmitting it to someone else. Test, trace, and isolate is the best way to eradicate it. Masks and social distancing the best way to prevent it on an individual basis. I do not think it’s so mild and harmless we should just leave it to spread unimpeded.

You seem to approach my comments with hostility and don’t read them carefully.

Emmaphiladelphia

"They aren’t vaccines: they don’t introduce a weakened or killed pathogen that your body then makes antibodies to. "

At CIA

This is false information. The current legal definition for "vaccine" and "taxable vaccine" found in the Federal code (expanded after passage of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act) would qualify mRNA as a "covered" vaccine if it got FDA approval and was ACIP and CDC approved. This is the ONLY way a vaccine receives Federal liability protection. Does the National Emergency law have a different legal definition for "vaccine"? If so, what is it. Otherwise you are wrong.

MY EMAIL TO HHS:
"Please give me the legal definition for the term “vaccine” as used in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (Vaccine injury Table) described in “National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act 1986” Public Law 99-660 Nov. 14, 1986, 42 USC 300aa-14 “Vaccine Injury Table” Sec. 2114 (a).

Does the new Heplisav-B product fit this definition? It is not an attenuated virus. It is an artificial recombinant DNA product with a novel adjuvant, Toll-like receptor 9 agonist.

"Dynavax is a fully-integrated biopharmaceutical company focused on leveraging the power of the body's innate and adaptive immune responses through toll-like receptor (TLR) stimulation. Dynavax discovers and develops novel vaccines and immuno-oncology therapeutics. The Company’s first commercial product, HEPLISAV-B® [Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant), Adjuvanted], is approved in the U.S. for prevention of infection caused by all known subtypes of hepatitis B virus in adults age 18 years and older.” (April 18, 2019 Press Release)"

THEIR RESPONSE:
"Good morning,
Per 26 USC 4132, this would be a covered vaccine under the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Here is a link to an additional reference: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2006-title26/pdf/USCODE-2006-title26-subtitleD-chap32-subchapC-sec4132.pdf

Respectfully;

Dale Mishler, DHSc, MS, APRN
Captain, United States Public Health Service
Chief, Countermeasures and Review Panel Branch
Division of Injury Compensation Programs
Healthcare Systems Bureau
Health Resources and Service Administration
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
5600 Fishers Lane, Room 08N168
Rockville, MD 20857"

THE CODE
"§ 4132. Definitions and special rules
(a) Definitions relating to taxable vaccines
For purposes of this subchapter—
(1) Taxable vaccine
The term ‘‘taxable vaccine’’ means any of
the following vaccines which are manufactured or produced in the United States or entered into the United States for consumption,
use, or warehousing:
(A) Any vaccine containing diphtheria toxoid.
(B) Any vaccine containing tetanus toxoid.
(C) Any vaccine containing pertussis bacteria, extracted or partial cell bacteria, or
specific pertussis antigens.
(D) Any vaccine against measles.
(E) Any vaccine against mumps.
(F) Any vaccine against rubella.
(G) Any vaccine containing polio virus.
(H) Any HIB vaccine.
(I) Any vaccine against hepatitis A.
(J) Any vaccine against hepatitis B.
(K) Any vaccine against chicken pox.
(L) Any vaccine against rotavirus gastroenteritis.
(M) Any conjugate vaccine against streptococcus pneumoniae.
(N) Any trivalent vaccine against influenza.
(O) Any meningococcal vaccine.
(P) Any vaccine against the human
papillomavirus.
(2) Vaccine
The term ‘‘vaccine’’ means any substance
designed to be administered to a human being
for the prevention of 1 or more diseases."

If FDA approved the mRNA vaccine, Congress would vote to add, "(Q) Any vaccine against SARS Coronaviruses."

If the Covidvax isn't a "taxable vaccine", then individuals can sue the manufacturer for injuries.


hera

Cia, I am not sure I understaad your point of view. For ages, you have been supporting quarantines for people who test positive with no symptoms (asymptomatic acarriers.) Now you want to promote a vaccine that creates hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic carriers, massively increasing the risk to the vulnerable?

And of course, we already know that if you create asymptomatic carriers, as we did with Mareks disease in chickens, where the vaccine only relieves symptoms, (sound familair) we ended up allowing a strain to circulate that is now 100% fatal and kills quicker than ebola.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/could-some-vaccines-make-diseases-more-deadly

From this article
"When the birds weren't vaccinated, infection with highly virulent strains killed them so fast that they shed very little virus—orders of magnitude less than when they were infected with less virulent strains. But in vaccinated birds, the opposite was true: Those infected with the most virulent strains shed more virus than birds infected with the least virulent strain.

In one experiment, unvaccinated birds infected with the most virulent strains were housed together with healthy birds. Again, the infected chickens were dead in no time, leaving them no chance to spread the disease to their healthy cagemates. But when vaccinated birds were infected with the highly virulent strain, they lived longer and all the healthy birds housed with them became infected and died. Thus, "vaccination enabled the onward transmission of viruses otherwise too lethal to transmit, putting unvaccinated individuals at great risk of severe disease and death,” the authors write online today in PLOS Biology."

Cia

This article at Natural News explained mRNA “vaccines” in a way I was able to understand.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-25-mrna-vaccines-how-they-work-coronavirus.html

They aren’t vaccines: they don’t introduce a weakened or killed pathogen that your body then makes antibodies to. They give your body protein coding instructions so the body makes its own antigens and then antibodies to them. But the greatest danger may occur if they cause more autoimmune reactions than vaccines, as they may well do.

So it’s true to say it (Moderna, Astra Zeneca, etc.) is not a vaccine. Sputnik V, Sinovac, etc., ARE traditional vaccines, for better or worse. The traditional diphtheria vaccine does not prevent infection with the disease, but does prevent the symptoms (including the diphtheria membrane across the throat and death). I think preventing the symptoms of Covid would be enough. But I think the danger of provoking an autoimmune reaction seems great enough that we wouldn’t get it. We’ll see how it works out.

TOB

"And if the Covid vaccine prevent symptoms, won't people go about their business and infect those around them at a much higher rate if they are symptom free?"

Yes. That's why Offit said a few months ago when JAMA interviewed him that people will be wearing masks through 2021. There are a few different shell games going on here.

The Offit interview is worth listening to in its entirety, but 37 minutes is when it starts getting to the point about asymptomatic infections and the vaccine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY67HozpvU8

Bob Moffit

The covid vaccine is already focusing world attention on a "VACCINE" in ways never before .. from the openly expressed DISTRUST of federal regulatory bureaucracies by NY Gov Cuomo and Calif Gov Newsome .. both demanding THEIR OWN PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS EXAMINE THE VACCINE FOR SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY BEFORE DISTRIBUTING THE VACCINE TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS.

If the COVID VACCINE becomes a disaster for the pharmaceutical industry ..it will forever cause DISTRUST OF THE VACCINE INDUSTRY AGAIN … HOPEFULLY IT WOULD LEAD TO A CHANGE IN THE PRODUCT LIABILITY PROTECTIONS THAT HAVE PROTECTED THEIR "UNAVOIDABLY UNSAFE" PRODUCT HAS PROSPERED FROM FOR DECADES.

WOULDN'T THAT BE A POSITIVE THING?????

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