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Nazism, COVID-19 and the destruction of modern medicine: An interview with Vera Sharav

Vera SharavBy Anne Dachel

Thank you to my Facebook friend, Dara Silverman-Berger. Dara sent me the link to this powerful interview of Vera Sharav which I transcribed below.

Vera is a passionate voice for informed consent and medical freedom based mostly on her life experiences as an actual Holocaust survivor and someone who has dealt with the duplicity of the medical community firsthand.

Vera’s words need to be heard everywhere.

Oct 12, 2020, Nazism, COVID-19 and the destruction of modern medicine: An interview with Vera Sharav


Vera Sharav: When medicine veers away from the Hippocratic Oath that promises to respect the individual right, to do no harm to the individual, then you’re going to harm the community as well, because the community is a bunch of individuals. 

There are crossroads in life where you have to make choices, and if you don’t, someone who will make the choice for you is not going to make it for your best interest.

The idea of just following authority without considering, what if they’re wrong? What if it’s not in my best interest? I wouldn’t want to live under such a regime. I know what it’s like. I know what that is. I would not do it again.

A conversation with Vera Sharav

Leah Wilson, Esq.: Vera, thank you so much for allowing me to be here today and for talking with me on camera. It’s truly an honor.

Vera is the founder of the Alliance for Human Research Protection

 and the president, and she has moved mountains to protect research subjects, primarily children, those with mental illness and minorities.

Vera’s work has resulted in the suspension of government pesticide experiments on children, federal investigations into children in foster care being used as guinea pigs, the suspension of small pox vaccine on children, the suspension of psychological experiments on young boys aged six to eleven, most of them of color, in New York City and dozens of other accomplishments that have directly saved lives.

The work that you have done is immeasurable and the benefit to society is truly eternal. So we thank you for standing in the gap and fighting for the moral and ethical issues that often go unseen if there weren’t people like you fighting on our behalf.

Vera: Thank you so much.

Leah: Vera, would you be willing to share some of your experiences as a child and as an adult that led to your value in safe guarding and protecting informed consent and parental rights.

Vera: I was a small child, three and a half years old when our family was chased out of our home in Romania, and we were herded into a concentration camp.

My father soon died of typhus, and my mother and I were left in a camp that was not a death camp. There were many other kinds of camps, essentially where people were left to starve, but with always the fear of being sent to one of the death camps. That was always in the horizon.

I was in the camp for about two years, and at that point they were supposed to essentially liquidate it, as they were going to do with all the camps and just annihilate everyone.

There was a deal made by which orphan children were allowed to be sent out of the camp if they had someone to sign for them. My mother sent me as an orphan, and I knew I was not exactly an orphan, but this was to save my life.

I wound up, for about a year, going from one family to another. It kind of strange, you know, how a child absorbs these kinds of trauma. For many years I didn’t really touch it. I didn’t allow it to come out in my consciousness because it’s so painful. I can’t stress how awful it is for a child to be separated from their parents. It’s really, really devastating in the sense of, even though I was not mistreated by anyone along the way, but the sense of self-worth goes very, very deep.

So after this year of wandering from one family to the other, it’s a long story, I was on my way to my mother’s sister in Israel. I had befriended a family on the train to the ships that were to take us from Romania, because I was sent back to Romania from the camp. The camp by the way was in Ukraine.

On the train I befriended a family and I got attached to them. One of the things that I learned as this wandering child is to choose, to select grownups that I could trust. I was little and I did not trust to be with my peers, with other children who were bigger and all that because I knew I would not do well with them. I needed an  adult. I wanted adults.

When we got to where we were supposed to embark on the boat, three boats were to go, and they had lists of who was to go on which boat. I was supposed to go on a boat with the orphan children. The whole boat was going to be with the orphans, but I refused. I refused to be separated from this family that I had become attached to.

This is a very searing memory. There I was. Everyone was on one of the three boats and I was sitting on my little valise just crying, screaming. I just was not going to go, no matter what. Of course in today’s milieu, that would have been ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder and all sorts of things like that.

This was one of the most important lessons that I learned that I would say people should think about. This is a child, you know. By then I was six years old.

As we left and from Romania it was to Istanbul. From there we then took a train to Israel, which was a very unusual thing at the time. During the night, while I was asleep—I was very seasick—a  submarine drowned the boat with all the children. And when they told me, I didn’t say anything, but I knew that I saved my own life by being oppositional defiant disorder.

That’s a lesson that right now is very needed. Adults now are not rebelling against things that are wrong. People are being pushed around. Denied normal interaction, and they’re just following it like sheep. There’s something very wrong.

Part of what’s wrong is the idea of just following authority without considering, what if they’re wrong? What if it’s not in my best interest? Why?

This is very dangerous that we have so many people, good people, people who think that they’re doing the right thing community-wise. But they might be devastating both the community, the economy—of course has been destroyed, and their health as well, just following without questioning.

As I say, this incident it just encapsulates, I guess, who I am, why I have been sounding alarms when I recognize that they’re alarming.

It’s a very, very dangerous thing to do to follow. That’s what happened in Germany essentially. All Germans were not evil, but most of them, the vast majority, simply went along. And yes, of course, it was wartime, and we’re always being told about war, and now it’s a war on a virus. That kind of thing should not eliminate basic human rights and basic respect for individuals.

It starts—and medicine especially which is so intertwined as it was then—when medicine veers away from the Hippocratic Oath, which is an oath that promises to respect the individual rights, to do no harm to the individual.

If you don’t harm the individual, you’re not going to harm the community, but if you wipe out the individual’s right, their human right, then you’re going to harm the community as well because the community is a bunch of individuals. It’s not some other entity.

Leah: Yes, it seems that there’s been a confusion. People [in] authority have tried to make it confusing as to whether what’s good for me, if that can possibly be good for the whole, or if I should be looking out for the whole before myself. That’s become such a source of confusion for many people during [this] national crisis.

Vera: Look, going back to the sacrifice, the decision that my mother made, this was a terrible choice that she had to make, and it was to save my life. It had nothing to do with community, but it was a sacrifice that she—as a mother, this is what motherhood is about. You need to sacrifice for your children.

Leah: The community can only be as strong as the individuals that make it up. Is that what I hear you saying?

Vera: Absolutely, certainly in a moral level, but also on a practical one. If you deny the human individual the right to think and question and assess and make decisions based on their own judgment and experience, then you are creating robots.

Leah: When did you first put together your passion for informed consent and safeguarding these rights with your experience as a six year old girl standing up for yourself?

Vera: That came later when I did a lot of research. I did want to know how could it happen. One of the things when I came out of that whole experience, the rest of the world went on. Where were they? Where was everybody? Why didn’t anybody stop this? I couldn’t understand that. That was my moral judgment.

So I did a lot of reading and things, and that’s when I realized that one of the worse things that happened, aside from—you know, cause the Holocaust is mainly focused on Jews because they wanted to annihilate the entire Jewish people. That’s where that is.

It took time for that plan to be acted out on, and the first victims of the Nazi regime were children, disabled children. They were taken from their families. They organized a whole system whereby schools would identify them, at birth they were identified. Their names would be sent to the central government, and then they rounded up the children, took them away from their parents and told the parents that they were going to be given special treatment. Of course that was a lie. They took them, and it was doctors, medical doctors who made the selections. They made the selections of which children were going to be used for experiments before they were killed.

The experiments included starvation, to see how long a child can subsist on practically no nutrition. And they would record all this very methodically. And they tested the Zyklon B which was later used in the gas chambers.

So it began with the children, it then got expanded to mentally ill adults and eventually the nursing homes, the elderly.

The Nazis called them “worthless eaters,” and I shutter that today under this COVID 19 pandemic, nursing home residents in the United States, in Europe, were the largest percentage of casualties. This did not happen by chance.

Yes, people in nursing homes, the elderly, with all kinds of ailments are vulnerable, and everyone was told, because of these vulnerable old people, we must shut down society, [because] we have to protect them.

That was an absolute lie. Those people were targeted to die. In New York, our governor and the health commissioner, New York State health commissioner, issued an order that older people coming to a hospital should be turned to a nursing home, with or without testing whether they had COVID or not, and disregarding completely that those nursing homes were completely ill-equipped.

They had no protective gear, they had no way to separate. These are not hospitals, but they’re also understaffed, under-resourced. I mean they didn’t have masks, they had nothing, so of course a very, very high percentage got infected and died.

They were not given treatment. This is a crime.

Leah: So based on age, the order was that they should, upon admission to the hospital, be transferred to a facility.

Vera: Right, they did not want to treat them in the hospital, right.

Leah: There was no protocols in place to make sure they were receiving the care that they needed.

Vera: And what happened is in fact that both the elderly and staff, the caregivers, they also have a high percentage who wound up dying because one of the things that really is true with this virus, is it depends on how much that you are infected.

At first we were told, oh the doorknobs and all this sort of thing—that’s all nonsense. It’s really how much of the virus do you come in contact with.

Leah: The concentration of it.

Vera: Yes, that’s right, and these care givers, they were right there without any help, without any protection. So they both got infected and infected others whom they went and cared for because one caregiver would be taking care of a whole lot of them.

It’s a horror. It’s the kind of horror that really there should be accountability. There should be a real investigation how this happens.

Leah: So when you’re drawing these parallels between what you’ve seen in history and what you’re seeing now, is it offensive to compare Nazism to what’s happening in America today?

Vera: What’s offensive is what’s happening in America today.

That the Nazis were savages, we know. That’s the history. Some have gone on trial, some have been executed. History has told that story, not fully but to a great degree.

But here no one is held accountable at all, in fact, Governor Cuomo gave the nursing homes total immunity. It’s unheard of that this should happen today in 2020, and this is called a civilized way of dealing with a public health emergency.

Leah: So what I hear you saying is it’s not too far of a stretch or a leap, it’s not extreme to compare what we’re seeing to what we’ve seen in the past.

Vera: I think each one needs to evaluate it themselves. It doesn’t matter whether I link it [to] Nazism. That’s not the point. The point is: what was done, what were the policies, what was the rationale?

 They had a similar rationale. Remember, they wanted to get rid of what they called “worthless eaters,” okay? Their economy was very bad at the time. This was wartime. Everything was going for the war, and civilians didn’t have enough to eat as well. There were shortages and all that. So this was their way of dealing for the “volk,” for the “volk.” Forget the individual.

What I’m suggesting is that when you eliminate the sanctity of the individual person, you are crossing that line. You’re no better.

Leah: Let’s go back in history with Nazism, how were the people convinced to look out for the volk instead of for themselves or their individual loved ones. How did that look in the very beginning?

Vera: Under the Nazi regime, and the same thing happened under the Soviet regime and under the Chinese regime. You have a dictatorship that is running the society with fear, constant fear and surveillance.

They used at that time what they could, which today is not comparable at all. Today one can do everything remotely with drones and with all sorts of technologies.

But I do want to say one thing, another similar use of technology. Very few people know this actually, but IBM had a contract with Nazi Germany and they supplied their punch card technology, which enabled the Nazis to identify and round up European Jewry. That’s what surveillance is for, and that’s how they were able to actually root out almost every Jew in Europe and send them to camps.

That was the IBM contribution to the Holocaust.

People had wondered all along how could it have been so efficient because this was industrialized murder. That’s how. This is business. This is big business.

IBM, they had plants in different parts of Europe because they were selling their technology just as Bill Gates sells his technology. This was a business, and in fact I’ve read also recently in some concentration camps they actually had the IBM machine with the punch card to decide which one is to be exterminated under which shift and whatever.

Oh yeah, this was run as an industrial business.

Leah: So how did your journey as an activist begin, protecting informed consent and digging into these issues here in the States?

Vera: It began really with tragedy, a different tragedy. My firstborn son developed a mental illness, and I had to deal with the mental health system which is a terrible place. And this is right here in New York with all the top hospitals and all that.

The psychiatric community, those who are really ill, they are disqualified by the medical profession. So for example, when someone with a mental illness, if they claim let’s say to be abused—no one believes them. They’re disqualified because they’re mentally ill. They can’t, even if it even got to that kind of thing where they have to testify let’s say in court, they would be disqualified because they’re mentally ill.

Leah: Lack of capacity. So their voice is totally silent.

Vera: That’s right. So in that sense you have to do for them. They need an advocate.

And one of the tragedies in that whole system is there was a shift, a business model has taken over completely which is drug centered, pharmaceutical drug centered, and by now it’s drug cocktails. It’s not even just one drug. It’s lots of drugs.

Those drugs, every one of them has serious side effects, so that taking the drug for let’s say depression, there are tradeoffs which the person has no way of making because they’re not told and neither are their parents.

Those drugs cause diabetes, okay? They make people suicidal, …arrhythmias. This is now known, but you see at the time the drugs were launched, they didn’t admit to any of these adverse effects. These are wonder drugs. This is like penicillin, like antibiotics.

That was a lie, but it was a marketing lie.

Leah: Because they knew.

Vera: Well, the companies while testing them, yes, some of these adverse features showed up, but they didn’t disclose that, so as a result my son died as a result of the medication that he was prescribed.

The point is that the New York State Department of Mental Health, they tried to make the coroner change his cause of death on the death certificate. Well he wouldn’t. But they went that far. They wanted to hide, to conceal the fact that the drug caused total organ arrest. It killed him. They didn’t want that because at the time they were using that drug as the first line. It was the recommended drug to use.

Leah: It was the standard of care.

Vera: And that’s what it actually did. In other words, the risk surrounding the drug was concealed, and that’s how things have been with many drugs, most of the psychiatric drugs.

It only came out once they were no longer the exclusive patent. The drug, once it wasn’t making as much money, then slowly things came out.

But really, the point is though, that once you realize that this whole medical establishment has been lying, has been a party to a lie, to a very serious lie and people are dying,  and it’s not even being counted as being a result of the drug.

I realized I have to look further.

Before this happened actually, because I started to advocate, to look for the right treatments and so forth, someone anonymously sent me an article from the American Journal of Psychiatry in which it describes what happened to 28 veterans at the Bronx VA. They were mental patients. They had schizophrenia, but most them had been living in the community. So in other words, they were in remission.

They took them back to the hospital, took them off all medications that they’d been on, and they gave them L-dopa.

L-dopa is a drug that’s used for Parkinson’s, but L-dopa is known to cause psychosis. Every one of them who had been in remission essentially had a relapse, a psychotic relapse. This was a government-sponsored experiment.

Now when I read it, the first I said, this isn’t possible. This is in the United States, these are veterans.

I sent it to two psychiatrists that I knew, and I said, “Am I reading this correctly? Is this what they did?”

And one of them was the chairman of psychiatry at Long Island Jewish… and he said yes.

This is deliberately causing patients to have psychotic relapses.

What could be more Nazi-like? Because the mentality is the same. They don’t feel that these patients are human beings.

They used their ability to exploit them and to exploit the Veterans Administration hospital to do this kind of research.

That was the first complaint that I filed with the federal oversight agency. They changed names, but doesn’t matter.

And this was all done with the approval of the so-called institutional review boards which are supposed to be the watchdog within an institution before research on people is done, but it’s on paper only.

And that was the first, and then I had a whole series of similar experiments that were done, many on children as well. This was during the 90s and 2000, around that time. But it’s been—things have not gotten better. They’ve actually gotten worse, because now mother isn’t asked even when she gives birth, if they should give her baby a Hepatitis B vaccine. Why [is] a baby’s given Hepatitis vaccines? It makes absolutely no sense in a medical way, but if you have contracts and business to worry about, then I guess it makes sense. But these babies are being used.

Leah: And that’s an example of the deviation from the Hippocratic Oath. It’s no longer looking at the patient as first do no harm, but there’s contracts in place that muddle up the judgment.

Vera: Exactly. It begins in the public health arena. Public health is government, and that is what happened in Nazi Germany. All of medicine wound up being public health. Once you have medicine in partnership with government, there is no individual care. The Hippocratic Oath goes out the window.

And since you have government behind you, the doctor’s not responsible for their actions. They’re working together with the state. That’s when medicine becomes weaponized. And what I’ve described is weaponized medicine.

If you dictated what medicine is given to your child, and you don’t have a say, that invites all kinds of really serious violations of your child and your role.

You know children are sometimes taken away from their parents, if the parent refuses, for example with psychiatric drugs. ADHD, if you don’t agree to give your child, they’ve taken children away.

That’s called Child Protective Services. Who are they protecting? It’s certainly not the children.

There are many areas now where there’s been a complete incursion into private families.

Who is to say? Where is the evidence that government knows best for what’s for your child? There is no such thing. It’s only if you give in and you obey…then you’re not meeting your responsibility as [the parent of] a child.

Parents have to be willing to go to battle to protect their children.

Leah: And that’s what we’re seeing today, these legislative trends that are infantilizing adult men and women and saying the state knows best for you and for your child. And so we’re expected as parents, to willingly give up our parental rights and our health care rights and give them to the state and into state mandates.

I’ll ask you a hard question admittedly, because we’re all in this together, but how do parents go to bat?

Vera: They have to organize. They have to organize. It doesn’t take the entire population to rise up. It’s enough if a certain number does.

There is more awareness. There is more combativeness. In Europe, in fact in Germany, Germany has had some very, very large rallies. I mean I’m talking 50,000 rallies against mandatory vaccination.

You don’t read about it in the media because the media is very much part of the business empire that’s ruling that.

Vaccines are an empire, and now they really want to do a vaccine globally.

Do you know what kind of a market that is? More than 7 billion people for a vaccine. Can you even count the kind of profits, no matter what they charge for it?

That’s what their goal is. That’s the whole allure of this COVID 19 vaccine. It’s that market.

Leah: And we’ve seen estimates recently that the vaccine industry’s currently  worth an estimated $60 billion annually.  And then we’ve also seen estimates with the COVID vaccine that it could be worth over 300 billion annually because it’s global.

Vera: Bill Gates said on camera recently, since he invested in 7 factories for the vaccine that’s not yet developed, so he was asked isn’t that a lot of waste of money?
And he said, “What’s a few billion dollars when we’re talking trillions.

Yes, that’s what it’s about. It’s trillions.




Angus Files

thanks Greyone missed that..

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discussion with Reiner Fullmich and Vivianne Fischer, episode 9, the Jerusalem Report, starts at about 5:20, at Children's Health Defense.


thanks for the Gates /WHO link video.

Angus Files

Whoopdee doo! were getting it first -but not this household.How your elected members dont stick up for you!

Secret plans for coronavirus 'mass vaccination' programme to be rolled out in six weeks
The NHS’s National Services Scotland signed a deal with an English firm to buy fridges to keep the Covid-19 vaccine.
Secret plans to roll out a Covid-19 “mass vaccination” programme across Scotland in mid-December are being drawn up by senior NHS directors and council managers.

The inoculation shots are expected to be available in just six weeks’ time and trigger “the most important public health goal in our lifetimes”, according to a leaked email.

The memo sent by NHS Lothian director David Small called for meetings with Health and Social Care Partnership (HSCP) heads and local authority executives “as early as possible” to prepare.

Small, director of primary care and executive lead for vaccination programmes at NHS Lothian, wrote: “NHS Lothian is planning for the delivery of a vaccine for Covid-19.

Read more..

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Angus Files

Nothing to see folks move on, 1 in ever 10 bucks for the WHO and its figures comes from Bill Gates since Trump halted funding to the WHO.

Meet the world’s most powerful doctor: Bill Gates
The software mogul’s sway over the World Health Organization spurs criticism about misplaced priorities and undue influence.


4 Jun 2020

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John Stone


Sorry, I just retrieved your comment which had got into the spam by accident. Even if we were to trust what we were being told I note that WHO forecast deaths for 2020 at ~60m which seems rather small for a global population of 7.8b (ie only 1 person in 130 was projected to die this year) but it is about 165k deaths a day. It is also the case that overwhelmingly those who will die with a Covid infection (though admittedly not all) will have been sadly in an end of life scenario in which any infection might be implicated in carrying them off. This is not a reason for a New World Order and it is not clear that many of the measures have succeeded in protecting the vulnerable rather than exposing them to more harm. In most countries the disease is already endemic and there is no zero option. We have to learn to live with disease and only harm will result from the further shut downs of the global economies, health and social support systems, disruption of the comforts of ordinary life, mental deterioration etc., ... finally debt to global bodies run by sinister oligarchs with totalitarian eugenics agendas.


Excellent interview. A wise woman. In spite of her personal tragedies, she has chosen to help and inform others.



No. 550,000 new cases today, 7,000 deaths. Not just another infectious disease. Totals and charts:

We’re close to the deaths in the second peak in late summer, cases and deaths climbing inexorably daily. Now is not the time to give up and open the floodgates.

You referred to the evidence I put up yesterday. We’re you referring to Idaho hospitals being 99% full and sending patients to other states? Salt Lake City doing triage to decide who to treat? Kansas City hospitals turning ambulances away because they’re full? El Paso hospitals full, the city under curfew?

I reread the article and don’t see your point. Individual choice? Are people who have several drinks at a bar or party free to drive home in an altered condition because they think they’re perfectly capable of driving home? It would certainly be a lot of trouble, quite stressful, to get a taxi and then have to retrieve the car. But people’s lives are at stake.

The author seems to get lost, first criticizing Cuomo (and I agree) for putting Covid patients in nursing homes, and then saying Well, what the hell, they were going to die soon anyway. Most people at increased risk from Covid are active and engaged in their lives. I strongly object to their being written off as sacrifices necessary for the “greater good.” As many here do when it’s a question of vaccines and autism.

Life in society demands compromise between individual desires and the common welfare. At this time we should all act like adults and continue observing the measures. This is our darkest hour. Not the time to shove our neighbor overboard because we’re stressed out by the whole thing.

Maurine Meleck

Such an important interview. Thanks, Anne, for all your hard work.

John Stone


No. You could say the same any year with any infection. We have ample evidence that the danger of the virus is being exaggerated and there was a bad example made up purely by you yesterday - no apology even if originally inadvertent. Vera’s views are important, and you have ignored so much of what she said.


I very much appreciated her sharing her thoughts.


So what is being promoted is the inalienable right of the individual to infect friends, family, and other contacts, and crash hospitals. And all he has to do is say But I didn’t MEAN to kill them.


Thank you for all your hard work, Anne.
Such an important interview.

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