Cia, thanks very much for all the info. Please understand that I am not inclined to stubbornly deny that Covid is not a very dangerous infection, and especially with evidence suggesting that it is. Still Cia, I am gravely concerned about the potential release of a vaccine that is utilizing an experimental technology, and for a type of disease that they've never been successful at producing a vaccine for. I don't think it's right to attempt to allay this fear with talk of how dangerous Covid is. I see them as two separate issues.

I think we might all be missing a trick here. I keep hearing and reading that lockdowns, masks, anti-social distancing etc. will have to continue until there is a vaccine "or an effective treatment". Well, there are already effective treatments - prevention by vits. C, D and zinc along with HCQ or quercetin, but mainly, a healthy diet! Given that these treatments exist there is no need for a vaccine, and no need for anyone to consent to take one when it's offered!

Short term effects might be a prelude to longer term damage. One trick they use, as they did with HPV, is to vaccinate the control group after the vaccine is approved. That way you cant study the long term effects

I was a bit surprised they are using saline. Apparently some group petitioned to ensure saline would be used and they gave in. Originally they were going with the meningitis vaccine as a placebo like Astra Zeneca is.

Greg,

This is something I just found. 20% of young adults between 18 and 35 had serious symptoms weeks after supposed recovery. It’s from the spring so six months wasn’t a thing yet.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm

Most of those getting COVID now are young. At the beginning it was mostly elderly people and the half of adults over 40 with comorbidities like high blood pressure, diabetes, etc., but now most are under 45. Look it up. MOST of those who get COVID are still sick six months later. Yesterday I read 71%. Aside from the many with permanent severe lung damage, heart damage, kidney failure, amputation of limbs from the hypercoagulation, liver damage, we have hundreds of thousands with encephalitic myelitis, a chronic autoimmune syndrome similar to MS triggered by the coronavirus, though it could also be triggered by many more viruses. It often causes chronic fatigue syndrome, which saps your life and for which there is no treatment. But still, if you didn’t get COVID, you would not get a syndrome triggered by it.

It looks to me like only a minority of COVID patients of any age get it and completely recover.

These injured vaccine trial participants demonstrate the power of indoctrination and brainwashing.

And maybe even the power of denialism when thoughts start creeping that you've been played for a sucker.

Related as it serves as a warning to the public. Email below that I sent to my email group today.

Subject: ATTENTION pregnant women and parents of young children!

"Fluoride on Trial" (finally!), from Dr. Mercola's website today

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/10/03/fluoridation-on-trial.aspx

Another day, another taxpayer-funded government agency found lying to citizens and severely harming children along the way. Nothing new under the sun. CDC, FDA, EPA, USDA...all alike...liars when it comes to advising the public, despite what they are told by those injured by the products they approve and recommend, despite what they know from studies and reports provided to them, sometimes done by them, and with an unbelievable callous disregard for the lives they devastate. Profits and power over people and integrity. Doing the bidding of the corporations and lobbyists who bribe them one way or another versus honorably fulfilling their duties to those whom they serve, the citizens of the USA.

The EPA, in addition to the American Dental Association, has lied about the safety of and need for fluoride for YEARS now. How much brain damage have their lies left in their wake? Too much to calculate. Have these people no consciences?

I become angered every time I think about how all 3 of my children were prescribed fluoride drops by their pediatrician, for years each, since we lived in a city that did not fluoridate its water. Doctors prescribing fluoride drops is yet another reason to ditch "well-baby" check-ups (the main/sole purpose of which is to vaccinate your child, after which they will never be the same level of "well" ever again), and if you have a pediatrician who still poisons children via vaccination and fluoridation, ditch him/her as well!

Grateful for the work of the Fluoride Action Network and its coalition members. Disappointed in the judge in this case who, instead of issuing a ruling and stiff penalties, is giving the lying and corrupt EPA "a chance to reassess the evidence correctly, using the right standard of review". Completely unacceptable. The fluoridation harm will continue. Parents, be warned.

Laura

Cia,
There is now a great deal of information available to the effect that the mainstream figures are not reliable. Suicides, traffic accidents, and chronic illnesses have been recorded as Covid deaths, according to relatives of the patients. Doctors are furious at being told to record lies on death certificates. The long-term sequelae you refer to sound very like ME, which I have had for most of my life. It is caused by vaccines, but only becomes apparent after an infection, pregnancy, or trauma. This fits with the fact that a flu vaccination is known to predispose the recipient to a serious reaction when exposed to another respiratory disease. In short, I do not accept your narrative, or your conclusions.

This isn’t what I read in May, but it’s similar, about half of Covid patients in Bergamo having serious sequelae six months later, and 30% with lung damage. I think everyone must research it and decide. But the disease has killed one million so far this year, over 200,000 in the US. Hundreds of thousands have joined a support group for long-haulers. Maybe the first wave was the worst and such suffering will not return. I think it’s too soon to say. Israel is being hard-hit at present and has set up a hospital ward in an underground parking garage. Spain, hard-hit in the spring, started a resurgence recently, passing the US a couple of weeks ago on new cases diagnosed. Maybe most were very mild cases, I think we need to wait and see. I think there must be full transparency on all available knowledge regarding Covid and people must be free to choose what seems best to them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/half-of-bergamos-covid-19-patients-havent-recovered-2020-9%3famp

Covid itself can cause these symptoms and more, as well as chronic health problems and disability. I agree that the vaccine, like all vaccines, is dangerous. We wouldn’t get it. I think there are better prevention and treatment options. At this time, only 9% of Americans say they will get it. But I’d like to see if the vaccine turns out to be effective in some degree, and, if so, how much. Fauci said 50% would be the best we can hope for. I don’t think that’s very good, but maybe some do. Taking it should be voluntary, of course. But those who want to take it should be able to do so, and we’ll evaluate all results.

So, these are healthy recipients suffering these symptoms? This sounds like "welcome to the anthrax vaccine." as Bob Moffit points out, these may only be the first, short term symptoms. Does this vaccine contain squalene?

Something we wished we had known when my military husband was given the anthrax shot; if you start getting weird bumps all over your skin, don't bother working through different laundry detergents; it took us six months to realize that my husband was allergic to his own sweat.

I spoke to one lady who after her anthrax shots, had seven miscarriages. As she said to me, the vaccine isn't something we talk about.. Our son, conceived after the anthrax shots, was born with chromosomal damage and birth defects. We were told the cause must be "environmental".
The doctors did not say anything to us about the potential dangers to our unborn child, but I notice that these vaccine recipients are being told not to get pregnant until after the study is done.
My cynical part says well at least that saves the study doctors having to have the "it must be environmental" discussion with new parents. Some other doctor may have to explain that. Most of the non military doctors we have spoken to quietly agree that the cause of the birth defects and chromosome damage in our son, was likely the anthrax vaccine.

As it stands, we know COVID infections can produce long term problems in some. It seems possible that a COVID vaccine could also produce long term health issues. The anthrax vaccine certainly did, and lead to people risking their military career to avoid the shot. The vaccine recipients are already forming private facebook groups to discuss symptoms. Hopefully by comparing notes, they will at least realize what is happening if some of them start having the same long term problems too.
I am very sorry for them, and wish them health.

These injured vaccine trial participants demonstrate the power of indoctrination and brainwashing.