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Beda Stadler Prof Emeritus Medical Faculty University of Bern: Coronavirus Why Everyone Was Wrong

Beda StadlerBeda M. Stadler, former Director of the University Institute of Immunology at the Insel Hospital in Bern, is emerited professor of Immunology from the Medical Faculty of the University of Bern. His major research interests were in basic research in the field of allergy and autoimmunity as well as applied research in the field of immunology.

As Vice President of the Commission for Technology and Innovation (CTI) Federal Department of Economic Affairs, Education and Research EAER Switzerland he was heading the life science team and was a member of the CTI Start-up & Entrepreneurship label board.

During his career he liked to express his scientific and rational views in public as a frequent guest speaker and columnist for various print media.

Posted on Medium.com: Coronavirus: Why everyone was wrong The immune response to the virus is stronger than everyone thought

The original article was published in the Swiss magazine Weltwoche (World Week) on June 10th. The author, Beda M Stadler is the former director of the Institute for Immunology at the University of Bern, a biologist and professor emeritus. Stadler is an important medical professional in Switzerland, he also likes to use provoking language, which should not deter you from the extremely important points he makes.

This article is about Switzerland and it does not suggest that the situation is exactly the same globally. I am advocating for local measures according to locale situations. And I advocate for looking at real data rather than abstract models. I also suggest to read to the end, because Stadler makes crucial points about testing for Sars-CoV-2.

The coronavirus is slowly retreating. What actually happened in the past few weeks? The experts have missed basic connections. The immune response against the virus is much stronger than we thought.

By Beda M Stadler

This is not an accusation, but a ruthless taking stock [of the current situation]. I could slap myself, because I looked at Sars-CoV2- way too long with panic. I am also somewhat annoyed with many of my immunology colleagues who so far have left the discussion about Covid-19 to virologist and epidemiologist. I feel it is time to criticise some of the main and completely wrong public statements about this virus.

Firstly, it was wrong to claim that this virus was novel. Secondly, It was even more wrong to claim that the population would not already have some immunity against this virus. Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.

But let’s look at this one by one.

1. A new virus?

At the end of 2019 a coronavirus, which was considered novel, was detected in China. When the gene sequence, i.e. the blueprint of this virus, was identified and was given a similar name to the 2002 identified Sars, i.e. Sars-CoV-2, we should have already asked ourselves then how far [this virus] is related to other coronaviri, which can make human beings sick. But no, instead we discussed from which animal as part of a Chinese menu the virus might have sprung. In the meantime, however, many more people believe the Chinese were so stupid as to release this virus upon themselves in their own country. Now that we’re talking about developing a vaccine against the virus, we suddenly see studies which show that this so-called novel virus is very strongly related to Sars-1 as well as other beta-coronaviri which make us suffer every year in the form of a colds. Apart from the pure homologies in the sequence between the various coronaviri which can make people sick, [scientists] currently work on identifying a number of areas on the virus in the same way as human immune cells identify them. This is no longer about the genetic relationship, but about how our immune system sees this virus, i.e. which parts of other coronaviri could potentially be used in a vaccine.

So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viri do — which is what we’re observing globally right now. Flu viri mutate significantly more, by the way, and nobody would ever claim that a new flu virus strain was completely novel. Many veterinary doctors where therefore annoyed by this claim of novelty, as they have been vaccinating cats, dogs, pigs, and cows for years against coronaviri.

2. The fairy tale of no immunity READ MORE HERE

Comments

Benedetta

Well a friend around here said that she found out (how I do not know) but 8 house keepers at the hospital, two doctors and a citizen all have covid 19.

Is it true?
I don't know.
I will let you know if it is.
Cause it is a small town and we will soon know their names.

Benedetta

Julie's link
Yeah Julie's link said among other things - but this one popped out at me:

" COVID-19 hospitalizations are going up is because of what’s happening in the hospital system. Patients are returning to the hospitals for elective surgery that were all delayed during the lockdown. EVERY patient is screened for COVID-19. A patient who is undergoing elective knee surgery and tests positive for COVID-19 even though they are asymptomatic will be classified as “hospitalized with COVID-19.” This was explained in a recent NY Times article:

“One-third of all patients admitted to the city’s [Miami] main public hospital over the past two weeks after going to the emergency room for car-crash injuries and other urgent problems have tested positive for the coronavirus.”

Do I put a second quotation mark here? Since it is a quote inside a quote?

Benedetta

Julie gave us a link.
And it is worth a lookie see!

Benedetta

Jay Martel
Just curious, do you personally know of some one that has covid 19, or is it just what you hear on the news?

I am really asking, cause I don't know what to think?
As far as it goes around here, I know of no one. That is all I can go by, what I see with my own eyes in my little place in the world. That is not to say it is rampant in Florida and Texas.

Laura Hayes

MelissaD,

You’re welcome :) I did not share the article based on the last sentence. Like you, I refuse to support or share that which promotes the vaccine propaganda, or the continued use of vaccinations.

Jay Martel

Agree with Vicki Hill above!

“They also didn’t want to believe that coronaviri were seasonal cold viri that would disappear in summer.”

It’s Summer! Where Is The Dissapper?

MelissaD

@Laura Hayes thank you for mentioning that! Somehow I missed that last line when I first read the article. Such a shame. I had forwarded it to a few people, but not sure I will send it to anyone else. I won't be a party to vaccine pimping.

Pft

Bob Moffit

Not sure. My guess is they may have found an association between previously unvaxxed children forced to be vaccinated after removing exemptions and the increase in Kawasaki disease in NY. My understanding is unvaxxed kids were being caught up over the school year (it was still possible to get vaccinated during lockdowns)

Or maybe it was just all kids and not the previously unvaxxed as Kawasaki disease is a known adverse event for some vaccines (pneumococcal, rotavirus, influenza, etc).

If so they probably decided it was too dangerous to pursue a covid link.

Pft

The author gave me a chuckle with this

“Those young and healthy people who currently walk around with a mask on their faces would be better off wearing a helmet instead, because the risk of something falling on their head is greater than that of getting a serious case of Covid-19.”

Julie

Vicki and Benedetta,

This article from Children's Health Defence facebook page explains some of the reasons for what people perceive to be a 'second wave'. The section 'Florida details' about a third of the way down addresses this.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/lockdown-lunacy-2-0-second-wave-not-even-close/?itm_term=home&fbclid=IwAR0lQj3bY1_j3T6jo01DdtzTw64MCvRuNXi-Zim-GPj8wSjPEAjy6gAQ6bo

Laura Hayes

"And if we still haven’t learned to protect our at-risk groups, we’ll have to wait for a vaccine that will hopefully also be effective in at-risk people."

A shame he had to ruin his article with such an awful ending.

Benedetta

To some on here; I am going to rub this in.

"crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever."

What is the viral load of some one not showing symptoms?

Benedetta

Vickie Hill;
What are we observing in the south? I am not saying that I know. I am saying I don't know, and I don't know what to believe?

You would think in this age of 24 hour news cycle we would know, but instead we seem to know less than ever before!

It has been suggested, and I am not saying that it is true; That the high rate of hospital beds being all filled up by people in Texas and Florida is because for four or five (how many months now is it anyway?) ---- is because for the past four or five months no one has been getting any medical treatment or procedures.

My 95 year old Father sure like to have never got his infected gall bladder seen to.

-- AND As in my son still has not seen a neurologist since his descent into hell in Jan from Strep. .We need off Keppra. I started this week taking him off myself from Keppra, so when we get to see a neurologist we are some what along the way - of some semblance of health, and prepared to fight off colds this winter with a more stronger immune system which Keppra dampens.

What a World!

Bob Moffit

Still waiting patiently for SOMEONE in public health and media to update information on the number of CHILDREN WHO WERE DYING FROM COVID THAT CAUSED KAWASKI DISEASE ?????

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/health/mysterious-coronavirus-illness-claims-3-children-in-new-york.html
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A mysterious syndrome has killed three young children in New York and sickened 73 others, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Saturday, an alarming rise in a phenomenon that was first publicly identified earlier this week.

The syndrome, a toxic-shock-like inflammation that affects the skin, the eyes, blood vessels and the heart, can leave children seriously ill, with some patients requiring mechanical ventilation. Many of the symptoms bear some resemblance to a rare childhood illness called Kawasaki disease, which can lead to inflammation of the blood vessels, especially the coronary arteries.

“The illness has taken the lives of three young New Yorkers,” Mr. Cuomo said during his daily briefing in Manhattan. “This is new. This is developing.”

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What happened to THAT "new and developing" narrative? It only lasted about four weeks of 24-7 national media coverage scaring the entire world that CHILDREN were DYING everyday … at that time early reports from NYC claimed 2 DEATHS but issued a GLOBAL public health alert and reports of children dying in other countries soon became known. And then .. miraculously, mysteriously … DISAPPEARED?????

Obviously SOMETHING caused public health officials to abandon daily reports of these COVID Kawasaki caused deaths …. what could possibly have caused them to abandon this new terrifying link to Covid in children???????

John Stone

Vicki

But what we do observe is Prof Stadler’s main point that the “asymptomatic” (most) are demonstrating resistance to the virus. Also, you create more cases by testing for them - they are an “artefact”. If we weren’t testing we wouldn’t know about them.

Bill

After you read the article, i'd suggest reading the comments, too. Comments there are almost as good as the AoA comments usually are!....
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, PEOPLE!

Vicki Hill

"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viri do — which is what we’re observing globally right now."

Uhhh, this is NOT what we are observing in the southern US in the middle of the summer.

Jenny Allan

" Immunology of common sense" - Just what we need in these manic times.

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