"Well, one learns something every day. What sect did you guys learn your Scripture in? I bought Hilaire Belloc’s The Great Heresies recently. Maybe I might find it there."

Suppose you entertain this notion?

"According to Catholic theology, a sect is characterized by estrangement from the common biblical-apostolic truth and the central contents of faith. Therefore the Church considers sects always to be tantamount to heresy (cf. Gal 1:6-12) or schism."

I am not devotee to any "cult of reason", but some doctors prescriptions might chaff non French people too.

"If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy." - Thomas Aquinas

A reply is not expected as this is simply something for those who were assigned there place more context for the original statement concerning the oblique charge of heresy.

Angus, thank you for posting the video.

Here is another disturbing link:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/25/virginia-health-commissioner-says-schools-could-remain-closed-for-two-years/

From the article:

"I personally think Phase One will be a two year affair," said State Health Commissioner Norman Oliver, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch. "There are a lot of people working on this, but I don't see it happening in less than two years."

His statement was walked back soon after, but I believe he said what he meant.

For those who may be interested:

www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/house-dems-propose-ominous-6666-bill-for-coronavirus-tracing

Some quotes:

"Dr. Levin spoke of removing people from their homes. His words: 'We also realize that as we find more contacts some of the people we find are going to have trouble being isolated for instance if they live in a home where there's only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there and those people don't have COVID infection we're not going to be able to keep the person in that home. Every person who we're isolating for instance needs to have their own bathroom and so we'll be moving people like this into other kinds of housing.'"

Also from the article:

"...a contact tracing nurse in Ventura county, said that should someone refuse isolation a health officer would be consulted for 'next steps'." The author has not had a response regarding what "next steps" are.

"My support for a mask mandate would drastically reduce spread, Austria reports 90% fewer cases since they passed the mask mandate"

In Austria the infection rate had already dropped dramatically from March 26th to April 6th, the 6th being the day mask were mandated for groceries and phamacies only. The 90 percent you mention likely has little to do with masks. I do think testing played a role. Deaths were also droppin a lot before the masks could have been the reason,

govtrack.us can help you follow HR 6666 and give you info about who your reps are and how to contact them: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666

I am sure the numbers thing is a distraction - probably the bill was just numbered in order - but focussing on it, if they are doing it deliberately is playing their game. The outlandish signs would distract from the racket - and it is a racket. If we go on about Satanism it undermines our credibility and it plays into their hands. I have been watching the film by “the Amazing Polly” but what was most interesting were all the front organisations not the minute or so she spent on the National Academy of Medicine’s logo.

Cia,
I think what you are missing is that the kind of quarantine you want us not a zero death solution.
People in quarantines in India are dying of starvation. India is, of course, a very poor country, but it seems according to this article, that many of thsoe who died of starvation would be alive right now, without the quarantine.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjdye7/indians-forced-into-quarantine-are-dying-in-lockdownbut-not-from-coronavirus
However, Italy is generally considered a first world country, and even with the mafia stepping in to feed starving Italians, starvation under quarantine is still a problem/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccahughes/2020/05/06/this-is-freedom-post-lockdown-italy-not-how-we-imagined/#73ea82f3c23b
From the article
in Naples and Sicily, the Mafia is already exploiting the crisis by distributing aid in the hope of gaining greater power in the regions. If the reopening date for businesses remains June 1, many will stay closed for good and many families will succumb to poverty and starvation.

Your plan to force people into a months quarantine ( at least) doesn't seem to make much provision for how people are to either get money or food. Do you have at least two months supply of food in your own house? ( This would be required under your plan, since no family member could leave the house until everyone tested negative..) If you do, then you should know that many Americans do not.
In the past, you have talked about people testing negative, then testing positive again. So it is certainly possible ( if that is a true scenario: I hope it sin't) that some people may have months and months before every family member has tested negative. ( Under your scenario, one positive test means everyone in the home gets to stay home for another month, no grocery visits allowed. Also, potentially no source of income available for all these family members..)
You have mentioned that you think you may have already had the Covid 19 virus. If so, you potentially could continue to test positive for a long time. If you cannot imagine how you could easily live through months of quarantine with your daughter, then you must realize that many people with less resources, independence and drive than you, are going to find it much harder than you would.
Testing and getting results and acting appropriately, (which like you, I think most people would do), does not have to require, as the only way such information can be given out, a government agency keeping an invasive list of everyones' personal medical data so it can be used to enforce family wide quarantines ( at gunpoint?if the people start to starve?).
You have already said the army won't take people who have had Covid infections ( It does seem they have now changed this to people who have ever been admitted to the hospital with COVID). Either way , rather like being HIV + , it sounds like discrimination of "positives" may already be a thing.
Even with face masks, I know several people who can't wear them. Personally, I am very comfortable wearing them,it is no hardship for me. But some people with autism may find it excruciating. Some people with severe autism for whom understanding social norms can be a challenge anyway, may simply be unable to understand the necessity or keep the mask on.. People with respiratory problems or COPD often simply cannot breathe through a mask, and some people get massive panic attacks or claustrophobia if their face is covered. Asking, to give another example, someone who has been partially suffocated in their past to wear a mask may be unbearable, not simply an "inconvenience."
I think in the end, the difference between relying on people to do the right thing, which most people do their best to, even if they will have different views on what they will be , and mandating things under force of law, is that if you do the latter, you have to work out who are the exemptions who will be harmed or unable to cope with your laws. Because once you force mandates, you are responsible for the outcomes for everyone, not just for the average, financially comfortable, mentally healthy person with many social supports, to whom perhaps even a month or two of quarantine may be a manageable hardship. You have to make a point of seeing the world through a lot of different eyes, abilities, financial states, and health conditions, if you want to demand compliance at the risk of jail.

Greyone,

We’re in the midst of the pandemic now. Vitamins, herbs, other supplements would not remedy the situation now and would not immediately change someone’s status from positive to negative. It’s a very clever, powerful virus. I think everyone in the world should be provided with C, D3, and zinc to try to prevent it. Sterilize everything. Also HCQ to take as soon as symptoms presented. But, again, in many cases nothing is going to help much. Test, trace, and isolate greatly reduces the number of people infected. I advocate doing everything everywhere to the extent possible. Supplements, masks to prevent. Test, trace, and isolate to reduce spread. Treat with C, elderberry, other supplements, HCQ, zinc, AZT, oxygen as necessary. Many can stop the disease from progressing by use of a personal steam inhaler with colloidal silver. And then many can avoid the last ditch hope of a ventilator.

John,

I’m pretty sure they just numbered the bill in chronological order. Personally I think it’s weird to omit floor 13, just going from 12 to 14 in some buildings at certain times. I think it would be weird to skip 666 because certain people would read diabolism into it. Just the idea of playing along with this train of thought makes my skin crawl.

"As a matter of fact it was not I who posted but it will just prepare the ground for adding on the vaccines - the politicians are eating out of the hands of pharma."

Understood.

But still, that language insert regarding the vaccines (no matter who posted it) is not included in the TRACE bill. i've NO doubt that the powers-that-be may find a way to enter vaccines into that program at some point --time will tell.

I just wish people would READ the bill (it's not that long!). For now, there is no language inserted into that bill which mentions vaccines.

And yes, I get it - the politicians are eating out of the hands of pharma. Discovered that when we almost lost our son to vaccines that almost killed him.

I said isolation centers OR isolation at home when appropriate, but no members of the household could leave until all of them were disease-free. The officials would have to work out the details with each individual family. If only one adult was infected, maybe there were elderly members at higher risk, or one healthy member needed to keep working, or an infected mother had small children, they might reasonably decide to have the infected person go to the isolation center, or leave the mother with the children at home, or remove the infected person from the home with the elderly. This gotcha game is contemptible. We all understand the concept of the infected transmitting the disease to the healthy.

Discussions of what we should do should always bear this in mind. If A finds a mask uncomfortable, that is not a good reason for not wearing it and putting others at risk. All discussion of masks has to recognize that they save lives, as many countries in Europe and Asia have shown. Testing and isolation of positives has been proven to save lives. I don’t think it behioves adults to say But what if there’s an official off his meds who cancels the lunch shipment for his facility, and the Covid positives there MISS LUNCH??!! Well, there you go, cancel the whole program nationwide, who CARES about all the people who will catch the disease and die as a result?

So now we see that there is NOTHING in the bill about forced vaccination, but to a hammer, everything’s a nail, so it HAD to include an agenda for forced vaccination. And that is FAR more important than preventing people from dying of the disease. Get a grip!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/take-shutdown-skeptics-seriously/611419/

@John Stone/All,

I had my attorney husband review the bill just in case I missed something critical; he reviewed the entirety of the bill and stated emphatically that there is absolutely no language within that bill which mentions the forcing of vaccination in order to participate in the program (either for those of whom are using the program for their businesses OR for those of whom they have tracked who may have been exposed.

Fyi - I am adamantly opposed to this bill and will fight its implementation if possible.

Also - bill (6666) is concerned with FUNDING a trace program; says absolutely nothing about the implementation of same.

Question: Given that this bill is solely about the funding of this type program, where and/or how are various leaders in this movement being provided info. as to IMPLEMENTATION? Because again, this bill is solely about the funding - NOT about implementation.

As long as I've been involved in this vaccine issues movement, I have always been somewhat of a stickler when it comes to correct/accurate information within our movement. It really concerns me to see comments written by folks who have obviously not bothered to read the bill itself, but will then attempt to draw false conclusions and/or provide patently false information regarding same.

Our sole issue regarding the pro-vaccine/Big Pharma agenda has been the deliberate coverup and disinformation/misinformation provided to parents around the globe. It pains me to see a few on our side of the fence also providing misleading, and or deliberate misinformation.

If someone here can direct me to a valid source regarding the implementation of the program mentioned in the TRACE Act/Bill 6666, I'd love to see it.

Thanks.

I believe vaccination is implied in the language "and for other purposes" and "providing individuals with services related to testing and quarantine at their residences".
Shelley makes a very significant point, in noting that the tests have not gone through FDA approval process, where they would have to show clinical significance.
Are we going to uproot lives for a paw paw positive?

An alternative to the test/trace/separate and surveillance method would be to provide voluntary regimens that boost immune systems, vitamins and antioxidants.
New paradigms for immune strength.

If hydroxychloroquine proves to be an effective prophylactic, as the Italian study of lupus/ra patients have indicated, then perhaps we should follow suit in making it available in hotspots.

Cia,
It sounds like you are planning for the government to keep records of all test results,so they can force isolation at home or in a dorm (potentially with no food or money to buy food for a month,or more, so accepting what,the possiblility of multiple possible deaths from starvation?) and then possible lifelong discrimination for anyone who agreed to be tested and then tested positive? And if they test positive repeatedly , they get to be imprisoned for the rest of their lives? And to be discriminated against in terms of applying for jobs if they do recover and are allowed out?
I can't really imagine many people wanting to be tested at anything but gunpoint when they realize the punishments that awaits a positive test in your particular scenario...
I do agree with both you and Bayareamom, I can't find language that requires vaccination in the bill either.

Thank you. Michael, I would love to work at an official level in public health. No vaccine mandates, but definitely a mask mandate, a thousand dollar fine for non-compliance. And definitely a program to test every person in the country for active Covid and for antibodies, in one week. Immediately isolate all positives in hotels or dorms. Or, when appropriate, at home but all those who live with them cannot leave the house either. After one month, test everybody again. Lots of temp job for pay in setting up the testing area and implementing it, gathering and recording the data. If testing of everyone were done this quickly, there would be no need into contact trace, but otherwise it must be done.

The Army has announced that those who have ever had Covid are permanently disqualified from ever serving in the Armed Forces. Many who seem to recover and test negative, get sick again and test positive again, often with a much more serious case from antibody-dependent enhancement. Or their health never recovers to what it was prior to the illness. Possibly the result of the gain of function genetic tinkering to increase transmissibility and pathogenicity. The PRRA nucleotide sequence inserted s a group to artificially add a furin cleavage site which makes it much easier for the virus to penetrate and kill host T cells.

The best thing to do would be to eradicate it. I can’t understand refusal to cooperate with protecting and saving life and health. Bayareamom is right: the language of the bill is reasonable and not tyrannical. It would be great if the paranoid irresponsible people could be enclosed in their own separate world where nothing and no one went in or out, and they could live or die with the virus however they wanted. Extremely unfortunately, I don’t think we can ensure the safety of the vulnerable unless we cn figure out how to manage the irresponsible who care for no one’s life but their own. I trust that their mistrust extends to the medical system and they will not be asking for oxygen when they get it.

Give me liberty or give me death. I will not be traced and mandatory vaccinated by the government. Especially if they come to my residence!?! This is how they will sugar coat it to make “everyone safe” by tracking us? Wake up people! h.r. bill 6666 and Microsoft patent 060606 is not a coincidence. Let’s all get microchipped in our hands so they can scan us to be able to buy and sell good. And scan foreheads for our temperatures everytime we go out. Look at what China is already testing in that with their personal color system. What happened to America, our constitution, and rights? I pray for America. All people. Just please read all you can. Get informed. Our future depends on it. God Bless us.

"As far as I can tell, there is no language contained within this bill which states, "...in order for any entity to receive these funds, they must require that the entity sign a contract saying that they will require those who participate in the entity's activities to agree to be tested, tracked, and vaccinated..."

Fyi - To clarify, I am NOT on board with the mainstream mantra regarding tracking/tracing of individuals. I concur with Greg's comment re same. But I do care about accurate information provided to the public and the statement that in order to receive funds, people must require that they sign off on a contract stating they will be required should they participate, to agree to be tested, tracked and vaccinated, IS NOT language inserted into this bill.

NOT saying that at some point, 'they' may try to do just that, but to be fair and ACCURATE, this language is not (at this point) inserted into this bill.

No matter what people say about this H.R. 6666 if it starts it will not end until the evil Govt. have all of us under their control as they want and have wanted for yrs. How do we know what might be on their swab ? they could be infecting everyone with the virus , people DO NOT BE STUPID , REFUSE any swabbing they want to give you , Trust me there is WAY MORE behind this than they will tell us .
These things are leading up to the NWO and mark of the beast 666 , if you take the mark of the beast it will be in the forehead or hand then you will be doomed to a devils hell this is Scripture .
There will be BILLIONS made for many pushing this . Its a huge money racket for the ELITES and Drs. Hospitals and others. Stand against this or wish you had , be smart wake up people.

you do realize that if you get tested negative today, then the next day you could become infected? That's how it works when you get sick. Today you're fine, no sure thing for the future. To be able to "Test our way out of this" you would have to be tested every time you went out in the public. The people proposing mass testing know this. The only people being fooled are the public at large. If they do multiple day delay on results, then everywhere you go you left a trail of infection. How many machines and supplies would be necessary for this level of testing? Don't know since it has never happened before? How many test's would be necessary a day? How many can we do now? Does anyone know? Nobody will even address these quite obvious questions. The new laws are not about the good of public health. It's about using the fear of corona death to gain a little more control over the people. If they completely wiped out all corona from the USA today, it would only take a single visitor from a infected country to start it all over again.

Cia,
You said it yourself - Jesus healed. Vaccines do not heal, or even do what they're supposed to do, prevent. Viruses will always be with us, but we can prevent them from harming us by eating healthy food, without chemicals on or in it, avoiding unhealthy habits like smoking (another chemical), getting plenty of exercise instead of driving in cars (more chemicals), and, Cia, freeing ourselves from fear, which creates in us - you've got it - harmful chemicals. Alternative medical practitioners and many leading scientists are telling us that the earlier administration of flu vaccines predisposes people's immune systems to over-react when they contract the covid 19 virus. I have had ME most of my life, which means that whenever I get a cold or flu it is followed by symptoms similar to those described as covid 19. ME is a vaccine injury. People are getting ill from vaccine injuries, not the cold. What I disagree with you about is the whole premise of your argument. You are assuming that everything that is being reported by the mainstream media must be gospel truth, that all the statistics are correct. If you listened to some of the alternative news media, eg. UKColumn, you would realize that there are those who have a different understanding. Those who are arguing against you here are not trying to kill people they are trying to save people. It behoves you to at least give them a hearing and consider conflicting narratives.

Angus and Grace,

And then again we have the account of Jesus healing on the Sabbath day. When he healed a man’s withered hand, the Pharisees protested, saying that it violated the law to heal on the Sabbath. And Jesus said, Would a man go forth to look for a lost lamb on the Sabbath? Is a man’s life not worth far more than that if a lamb? Is it better to heal or to kill? Jesus taught that caring for those in need was paramount, and the Kingdom of Heaven only to be attained by so doing.

So you tell me. When a law turns out to have the number of the Beast, do you think that God is going to say, Well, there you go. The lives which would otherwise have been saved I’ll just have to wash down the drain, because those three numbers bear a more powerful curse than even I can overcome?

Well, one learns something every day. What sect did you guys learn your Scripture in? I bought Hilaire Belloc’s The Great Heresies recently. Maybe I might find it there.

I also do not trust this bill, and not because of the number only. The bill has some really shady texts in it, that are not available to the public anymore. I do not like what I have heard the bill contains, the authority to separate parents and children for quarantine purposes. I don't trust the authorities to return my children.

Does anyone have a copy of the pdf from the 1st or May - the 7th of May? There is now an extremely generic summary there now.

In reading the text of HR6666, I couldn't find anything authorizing force for the entering of homes, administering of tests, or removal of individuals. If there is another way to interpret this, I would be interested, as I am concerned too. From what I can see from here, the like likely danger would be "...in order for any entity to receive these funds, they must require that the entity sign a contract saying that they will require those who participate in the entity's activities to agree to be tested, tracked, and vaccinated..." as the article author wrote.

Angus,
Thank you for your contribution following my comment. I'm not very good at finding chapter and verse when it's needed! My point had been that some of us take our "instructions" from scriptures, conscience, call it what you will, but have wisdom to see through the manipulations of those who have earthly power, usually due to wealth. I simply thought that the unfortunate "coincidence" of the number given to this law might serve as a warning to many. I think it would only be superstition if it was not backed up by an appraisal of the facts, as others have done so ably in the rest of these comments. I believe that one Christian pastor refused to close down his church when required to and was arrested as a result. I'm afraid most other churches are going the same way the Catholic church did during the Holocaust of ww2.

Very true Grace Bill Gates et-al are anti-Christ.

Revelation 13:14-18 “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

2 Kings 15:5
Verse Concepts
The Lord struck the king, so that he was a leper to the day of his death. And he lived in a separate house, while Jotham the king’s son was over the household, judging the people of the land.

Leviticus 13:4
Verse Concepts
But if the bright spot is white on the skin of his body, and it does not appear to be deeper than the skin, and the hair on it has not turned white, then the priest shall isolate him who has the infection for seven days.

Leviticus 13:46
Verse Concepts
He shall remain unclean all the days during which he has the infection; he is unclean. He shall live alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp.

Leviticus 14:8
Verse Concepts
The one to be cleansed shall then wash his clothes and shave off all his hair and bathe in water and be clean. Now afterward, he may enter the camp, but he shall stay outside his tent for seven days.

Numbers 5:2
Verse Concepts
“Command the sons of Israel that they send away from the camp every leper and everyone having a discharge and everyone who is unclean because of a dead person.

Numbers 31:19
Verse Concepts
And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day.

Luke 17:12
Verse Concepts
As He entered a village, ten leprous men who stood at a distance met Him;

Leviticus 13:2-5
“When a man has on the skin of his body a swelling or a scab or a bright spot, and it becomes an infection of leprosy on the skin of his body, then he shall be brought to Aaron the priest or to one of his sons the priests. The priest shall look at the mark on the skin of the body, and if the hair in the infection has turned white and the infection appears to be deeper than the skin of his body, it is an infection of leprosy; when the priest has looked at him, he shall pronounce him unclean. But if the bright spot is white on the skin of his body, and it does not appear to be deeper than the skin, and the hair on it has not turned white, then the priest shall isolate him who has the infection for seven days.read more.
Leviticus 13:31-33
But if the priest looks at the infection of the scale, and indeed, it appears to be no deeper than the skin and there is no black hair in it, then the priest shall isolate the person with the scaly infection for seven days. On the seventh day the priest shall look at the infection, and if the scale has not spread and no yellowish hair has grown in it, and the appearance of the scale is no deeper than the skin, then he shall shave himself, but he shall not shave the scale; and the priest shall isolate the person with the scale seven more days.

Leviticus 13:45-46
“As for the leper who has the infection, his clothes shall be torn, and the hair of his head shall be uncovered, and he shall cover his mustache and cry, ‘Unclean! Unclean!’ He shall remain unclean all the days during which he has the infection; he is unclean. He shall live alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp.

Leviticus 15:19
Verse Concepts
‘When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening.

Numbers 5:2-3
“Command the sons of Israel that they send away from the camp every leper and everyone having a discharge and everyone who is unclean because of a dead person. You shall send away both male and female; you shall send them outside the camp so that they will not defile their camp where I dwell in their midst.”

Numbers 31:11-20
They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho. Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp.read more.
Deuteronomy 23:10-11
“If there is among you any man who is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he must go outside the camp; he may not reenter the camp. But it shall be when evening approaches, he shall bathe himself with water, and at sundown he may reenter the camp.

2 Kings 7:3
Verse Concepts
Now there were four leprous men at the entrance of the gate; and they said to one another, “Why do we sit here until we die?

2 Chronicles 26:21
Verse Concepts
King Uzziah was a leper to the day of his death; and he lived in a separate house, being a leper, for he was cut off from the house of the Lord. And Jotham his son was over the king’s house judging the people of the land.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

CIA: this is a very dangerous resolution. Giving absolute power to any organization to trample our constitutional rights, track us down, trace our contacts, and force vaccinate is unacceptable! No agency should be granted this type of power.

We can not allow this bill to be passed. Write to all of your governments representatitives. Now!

Total invasion of privacy. how can a government that is of the people by the people, and for the people blackmail entities into requiring testing by offering money for compliance? This Bill would allow the government to remove you or your children from your home under the guise of public safety. You don't like the government line? well, we will send someone over to your house to take your children until you comply. write your representatives today and force them to kill this immediately.

CIA (interesting initials BTW):

You’re correct. Trust the government they would never do anything not in the interest of citizens. For example, ask those involved in the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment. Or those killed by Merck’s Vioxx after FDA approval.
Nothing to see here folks; move along...

I notice they include "non-profits such as churches". It's my belief (as someone who has had contact with many different Christian denominations) that true believing Christians (ie, NOT any of the mainstream churches) will not have anything to do with a law with the number 6666. Such people also will be standing in opposition to this attempt to vaccinate us all against this imaginary virus.