Donna,

How fortunate for the hospitals, then, that cases in Orange County surged to their highest level ever yesterday and the day before yesterday, in the wake of people storming the beaches two and a half weeks ago! I hope they’ll be preparing for the overload of cases headed their way two weeks from now! In the big picture, it would be good to have so many people volunteer to take part in this object lesson, but I regret that many innocents must be made to suffer, even die, as a result.

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Superb that bit Laura...

"The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.5,6,7"

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Advice from a real scientist:

https://home.solari.com/debunking-the-narrative-with-prof-dolores-cahill/

Donna,

But there is a lot of evidence that masks save lives, cases and deaths dropping according to how common masks are. Who can be certain they are not carrying Covid? I don’t think anyone can be, nor can they assume that those around them are not carrying it. I put up a video of a Czech girl demonstrating how to make a mask from a t-shirt with only scissors, no sewing. Can we not assume that every single person in the country, probably the world, has a t-shirt they could make a few snips and turn into a mask which would block the virus in droplets? I’ve never seen anyone so poor they didn’t even have a shirt.

I can’t imagine that there’s anyone unaware of the mask recommendation, and it makes sense. I would have to talk to those not wearing them to find out their reasons. My 92 year old neighbor said they’re just not her, but her daughter brings her everything she needs and she hasn’t gone out in public since March. I felt odd the first time I wore it. There’s normalcy bias, reluctance to look strange. But it saves lives, and sets a good example. Maybe the good-hearted people you refer to aren’t well-informed, or maybe those in their circle think it looks silly. When my daughter was a baby, one friend said babies sleep better on their stomach, I said there was much less SIDS if you put them on their back to sleep. My father wanted me to use a car seat for Cecily that he had gotten for me when I was a baby. It was not modern, not as firmly affixed as modern ones are. Both of them were kind and loving, but they were wrong on these topics. I don’t know, I’d like to know why the people you refer to don’t wear masks. I saw a couple at the supermarket last week examining something together, without masks. They stood out because nearly everyone else was wearing them. There is no good reason not to.

Angus,

Sweden is at the northern end of Europe. Coronavirus has not yet stricken it extremely hard, as it has not yet hit any Scandinavian country extremely hard. But Sweden, because it didn’t lock down, caused three thousand of its citizens to die, when its neighbors who locked down would only have had a thousand. So Sweden waged an immense gamble with their lives. At this time no one knows how many of those who recover from Covid have immunity or how long it lasts: some studies indicate that it may in many cases last only eight months, if it develops at all. In some it might last two or three years. At this time no one thinks it will be permanent. Sweden, like nearly everyone else, has done little antibody testing. Everyone is expecting a new, more severe wave of cases and deaths this fall, and it is likely that the disease will move in to those areas not hard hit this time. We live in the Midwest, in Missouri, where the big cities of St. Louis and Kansas City have suffered a lot of cases and deaths, but I think it’s less than five hundred deaths for the state, not that many compared to other places. Columbia, with a population of about 100,000, just reached a hundred cases total, one death (someone who had traveled in northern Italy), only five cases active now. Most people are following all the rules.

All epidemics end, even with no vaccine or effective treatment. But we may be in for more waves, and many speculate that areas not affected much this go-round may be much more severely affected next time.

SARS just disappeared without anyone’s having done much to control it. It doesn’t seem likely that Covid will do the same, but it’s possible. It’s certain that it will change. If it’s like most viruses, it will become milder and cause fewer deaths. People’s immune systems will adapt to it and resist it better. I think the winners will be those who held it at arm’s length. And most people, like with cancer, say, want to delay death for as long as possible. The few antibody tests done in Sweden shows only a small percentage with antibodies. And it’s very likely that three years from now they will have none. So ultimately Sweden will just have thrown away at least two thousand lives for no reason. While Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland will have done a much better job at protecting their citizens’ lives by their lockdowns. I can’t see a scenario in which Sweden comes out a winner by having refused to lock down.

Sweden, unlike its Scandinavian neighbors, made different decisions to deal with the coronavirus pandemic. It issued no mandatory orders. It did not require its citizens to shelter at home.

True, as of May 4, more Swedes had contracted and died from the coronavirus (2,679 total deaths, a rate of 263.08 per 1 million people) than people in Norway (211, rate of 39.7) and Denmark (484, rate of 83.49). But fewer when adjusted for its population size compared with the U.K. (28,446 deaths, a rate of 427.83), Spain (25,264, rate of 540.71), France (24,864, rate of 371.18) and Italy (28,884, rate of 477.96).

It also remains to be seen whether, in the long run, the actions taken by other Scandinavian countries will result in fewer lives lost. This is because Sweden appears to be achieving "herd immunity" faster than other countries and because experts expect another spike in cases when lockdowns are lifted.Furthermore, the rationale for the lockdowns is to prevent a country's health care system from being overburdened. If that is goal, Sweden has achieved it. Its hospitals, intensive care units and emergency rooms have not been overburdened, and the country has had no shortage of medical equipment.

Dr. Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of the Public Health Agency of Sweden, in early April said, "I'm not sure that there is a scientific consensus on, really, about anything when it comes to this new coronavirus, basically because we don't have much evidence for any kind of measures we are taking."
Tegnell later explained: "We can install limited quarantine measures, but it is not legally feasible to lock down cities or regions — let alone the entire country. ... All (European) countries already have the virus, so why close the borders now? We are more concerned about the mobility within Sweden."

Instead, Tegnell urged "personal responsibility" while admitting there is still a lot that he and other experts just do not know about the virus.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronavirus-sweden-different-approach-pandemic-larry-elder

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Vaxxus,

I just got these statistics at Worldometers.info, current as of today. I'll put the figures into my calculator after I paste the figures for the world and for the US.

World Coronavirus Cases:
4,310,786
Deaths:
290,455

US Coronavirus Cases:
1,395,026
Deaths:
82,555

Everyone recognizes that it's impossible to give an accurate figure, both because most of active cases have not yet ended in either death or recovery, and because many deaths are from Covid, but not being recognized or recorded as such. Bearing that in mind, for the world at this time: 6.43% mortality, for the US, 5.9% mortality.

This is how it’s done.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-04-10/south-korea-offers-lesson-best-practices?utm_campaign=tw_daily_soc&utm_source=twitter_posts&utm_medium=social

@cia

"Most people think it’s right and proper to enact measures for special times to limit the damage which would otherwise be done, in this case death in between six and twenty percent of the large number who get it"

I have not seen any evidence of this virus killing 6-20% of people that are infected. This might the the case fatality rate for people who get sick enough to visit a hospital and get tested.

The case fatality rate (CFR) is not the same as the infection fatality rate (IFR)

One can't use the numbers from sites like Worldometer without adding some context of what they really mean.

The percentage of people who are infected and die is below 1% and very possibly far below that.

The virus is probably several times deadlier than the flu but it's not anywhere near 6-20%.

John,

What diseases do you have in mind? Cholera was terrible, but once they realized how it was spread, drastic measures were put in place to control it. When it was realized that yellow fever was spread by mosquitoes which bred in pools of standing water, inspectors visited every home in affected areas and assessed heavy fines for homeowners who had even the smallest pool of standing water on their premises. Wow, I’d love to see the indignation of lovers of liberty at this invasion of their privacy and obnoxious interference in their right to have rain water in their patio. But by golly, rates of yellow fever plunged drastically where these coercive measures were taken.

What do you think was comparable to Covid in the past? In the polio years, it was common for beaches and pools to be closed regardless of how lovers of liberty felt about it. Diphtheria was terrible, but I can’t think of any public health measure taken to control it. The vaccine, of course, which I think nearly everyone eagerly took. And some suffered severe consequences as a result.

What serious contagious disease in the US have we had in the US with an R0 of over 4 and a six to ten percent mortality? That has resulted in the diagnosis of the disease in over a million Americans in less than three months’ time? If you can name one or more of them, we can discuss it. I’ll give you diphtheria, but I think diphtheria struck terror in the hearts of all parents before the vaccine: no one accepted it with equanimity. Can you provide any source which held that it was their God-given right to contract diphtheria and they would defend to the death their right to get it and spread it to others?

I respect the right of every human to do what is in the best interest of her survival.
I respect the right of every human to do what she asserts is in the best interest of her children’s survival. CIA, it’s not a zero sum game. You do you beautiful lady, just please let me do them.

John,

The question is what balanced and proportionate mean when the stakes are so high. Usually most of us circulate without much thought to contagious diseases around us. Fine. But at this time nearly every country in the world has a lot of people catching and spreading a very dangerous disease. Most people think it’s right and proper to enact measures for special times to limit the damage which would otherwise be done, in this case death in between six and twenty percent of the large number who get it. Eighty percent of Americans were against ending the lockdowns now, fearing that while the lockdowns reduced cases and deaths while they were in place, now they will explode again. Some predict the lockdowns will be reinstated in June, probably for three months.

Donna,

We are staying home but it’s very hard on my daughter. Are you out and about? You asked me a question, now let me ask you. Are you wearing a mask when you go out and are you planning to do so for the foreseeable future. We are and will. This is a hypothetical question, maybe you are wearing a mask, social distancing, and so on. You, like all of us, could get the disease and be contagious for some length of time. Assuming maybe you might go out and hypothetically decided not to use any personal protection. Would you feel a sense of responsibility if you knew that you had given the disease to someone and their health was permanently degraded by the disease or they died of it? That’s the heart of the matter. What would go through your mind and heart if you knew that you could have easily prevented someone from getting the disease, but because you didn’t, they suffered grievous consequences?

John, I ask you that question as well. The founding fathers assumed that Americans would exercise our liberty responsibly and would always respect the rights of others, which places limits on one’s own liberty.

Liberty which is not exercised within limits established by reason and compassion becomes libertinage, and libertines are considered dissolute and self-indulgent, contemptible, undeserving of any respect.

Michael

I think US politicians should be reminded that their nation will mean nothing if they finally abandon its founding principle of liberty, and that any legislation should be balanced and proportionate.

Cia

I think it is a paranoid view. There all sorts of hypothetical things that we might do to our fellow citizens or they might do to us but even now there has to be some balance in the law. This cedes everything to the state. To be real, for at least the first 150 years of the United States the daily threat to individual health from manifold diseases would have been much worse than COVID, nasty though it is. But if someone had told people they had to put up with this level of oppression to avoid these threats they would not have treated it seriously.

The fact is there all sorts of things which government might do to alleviate the situation but they won't because it would subvert the agenda of the tech/pharma complex.

Must be obvious to most here that Bill Gates is using his Embrace, extend, and extinguish methods, to now Embrace, extend, and extinguish everything we hold dear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

John,

I agree that vaccine mandates are not acceptable. There are many who doubt that an effective, moderately safe vaccine is even possible. It would and should be a matter of free choice whether to get or refuse it. But should everyone have a right to say what he thinks are reasonable measures to prevent spread? A lot of people, as we have seen, are totally unwilling to wear masks, stay at home, stay far back from others, not congregate in large groups, etc., even though these measures save lives. Should my life and Cecily's be subject to the whims of those who don't believe in germs, don't believe in Covid, don't believe that masks prevent spread, or maybe are infected themselves and would like to infect others as well? Nearly all of the thousands diagnosed just yesterday, or today, were infected by those not taking the measures above, and we have seen that many insist that it is their absolute right not to take them, no matter what the consequences to others.

We are not talking about allowing a vaccine to be injected into us. We're talking about wearing a mask, not going to parties, etc. Why do many consider it totally beyond the pale to be asked not to infect others with this germ? What gives anyone the right to do something which puts the lives of others into palpable danger?

Some might say that it is the principle of the thing. Give me liberty or give me death, mine and that of everyone else! But if one group acts as though it doesn't think the lives of others are worth donning a mask to protect, or staying several steps away from, I think it would cause many to consider these people so inconsiderate of the lives of others, their moral values so skewed from the norm, that their arguments against a mandatory vaccine might be valued as those of people of faulty judgment, and so less likely to be evaluated as serious arguments. And I say that as someone who agrees that mandatory vaccination is morally wrong and permanently damaging to the health of many of the recipients.

Cia

We are heading for micro-control of our lives or what is left of them by pharma/tech in perpetuity - presently we are living out the great dream of Bill Gates and his cronies (we don’t have to make it up because it is just what they are telling us). Actually, in previous times people were prepared to lay down their lives for liberty. In some ways it was pathetic to contrast the VE celebrations with our present political prostration before pharma. The retreat of Dunkirk (bitter though it was) was at least on its way somewhere. But unless we take great care now we will end in another 1,000 Year Reich with ever more sacrifices required. I don’t think AoA needs to take it from LA Times.

The LA Times could tell us to take Vitamin D: occasionally mainstream mentions that but they snigger at C, or zinc or selenium. They would never suggest people might reconsider some immunity lowering medications. They never cease their unending hate campaign against us. They are not on our side.

The point is not that we should not have tracking but we should not have it on their terms.

John,

3,877 new cases in the UK, 210 new deaths yesterday. Same reasoning. Why throw these lives away?

Cia

I think the last time anyone could go to LA Times without a heap lies was when they published on the Hilleman memo in 2005

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-feb-08-fi-vaccine8-story.html

but they have a sickening record hyping measles and pressing for mandates: dishonest to a fault and the owner is a vaccine manufacturer with eyes on his next fortune. There are many sides to this issue but I don’t think we should take it from the LA Times. This disease is indubitably dangerous but we absolutely must not allow pharma to write the narrative.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/patricksoon-shiong-newsmaxtv-vaccine/2020/04/08/id/961929/

Dr. Soon-Shiong to Newsmax TV: We're in Talks With FDA About Coronavirus Vaccine

Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, the head of health and technology network NantWorks, told Newsmax TV on Wednesday that one of his companies is working fast to begin human trials on a possible vaccine for the coronavirus.

Soon-Shiong said that “in order for the country to come back, in order for the economy to come back, in order for people to live a normal life, we need to develop a vaccine.”

He said that his biotech company that has been working on a cancer vaccine has shifted its focus to try and create a vaccine for COVID-19, and that they’ve been in conversation with the Food and Drug Administration “to move very fast to bring this vaccine to the first human trial.”

Soon-Shiong’s company has also been working on a 3-D model of the virus to help researchers.

“When you find out which areas interact best, then you know which sequence it would be best to actually create an antibody against, and that’s part of the vaccine. So, happily, we were able to take this entire sequence… and put that into the vaccine that we’re developing.”

Soon-Shiong, a billionaire and the owner of the Los Angeles Times, is also the chief executive officer for the Chan Soon-Shiong Family Foundation, which recently purchased the former St. Vincent Medical Center in the Westlake District of Los Angeles and announced that it will reopen as a “surge” facility with up to 266 beds for patients with the coronavirus, in cooperation with Kaiser Permanente and Dignity Health.

“I think within the week, this hospital will be open,” the doctor told “National Report,” adding, that California Gov. Gavin Newsom “has really planned ahead, and unfortunately we think the surge is going to be in the next couple of weeks, if that’s going to happen in Los Angeles.”

Regarding the 2nd comment to this post:

First mistake is reading or believing anything from the LA Times.

Second, it appears the masterminds behind "Pandemic 1" (as Gates is now calling it) are now gearing up to "adjust" the narrative to include children succumbing to Covid-19...likely part of "the plan", to now "flood the zone" with news of children as victims...with the purpose being to delay the reopening of schools until a vaccine is available and mandated for all...including for students as a requirement to return to school.

For more details on NY now pitching/promoting/socializing that the new normal includes children succumbing, read Bob Moffit's comment here:

https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/05/the-microbiome-and-covid-19.html#comments

And what should I receive in my inbox as I am typing this?

https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-stories/covid-19-vaccine-update-over-80-under-development

From the article: “Focus first on vaccinating those under 12 and those over 65 – this is a possible first line of defense against disease spread.”

Flooding the zone with the adjusted narrative has begun.

I get a Covid newsletter from the LATimes. This morning it said that there had been an unexpected surge in cases and deaths as some of the structures are loosened. It said a lot of people are violating the shelter at home rule, giving the example of a girl with symptoms who went to the party, joking that she probably had Covid. She did, and infected several other people, two of whom got critical cases and have been hospitalized. Who is this for? It’s for all those who would get critical cases and maybe die if they are not protected. Are their lives not worth protecting? I say they are, and competent adults will f do everything reasonable to protect them. In this case, how many of you would throw a fit if the sheriff’s department got a list of the names of everyone at the party and phoned them to tell them to stay at home and be on the alert for symptoms? In other words, tracking. And how many would be against this, saying We’ll, if they get Corona, they’ll get Corona. And I personally will pour a Corina over their grave to say Sorry for having caused their death. But hey, who cares? That’s the way it goes!