Nurse helps blow whistle on treatment issues in some NYC hospitals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp1GDqDAA4E&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1cnpiHaI-2X8xmMZfHpk3ILZZMbPRNkHf_qHdfDnO14m2gvFULJws92dQ

This is horrifying...

Hi Cia,
As I understand it, at least one of those studies is suggesting a possible nine month risk for increased respiratory viral infections following the flu shot , not one month, adn another lasted for three months? And at least one of the collected studies specifically points to coronavirus infections as being an increased risk post influenza vaccination. This means the issue of increased infection may not be one month after vaccination, as you've stated, but, potentially, many months after vaccination
What does this mean for increasing the chance of catching, and/or having worse symptoms with, COVID short( one month) and /or long term( 9 or 10 months out) ? I don't know, but I do think scientists need to investigate, and give us an accurate answer, either way.
It is a fact that in the adult population, the two groups with the highest rate of influenza vaccinations are the residents and staff of nursing homes , and hospital workers. These are also groups with high numbers of seriously ill, and dying people.We know that some of those who die are dying from a cytokine storm, an autoimmune reaction. We also know that the influenza shot can , in some people create or worsen autoimmune conditions.( Guilliame Barre, a known rare influenza vaccine reaction, is an autoimmune condition, for example.)
Some of the health care workers who are dying seem to be younger and healthier than one might expect. I believe they have an absolute right to know the truth, either way, about whether flu shots are putting them at increased risk of COVID or not.

If we are quarantining and bankrupting people to save lives, then this type of investigation is much easier , and who knows, may also end up helping save lives, when the data is in. If people who have had the influenza vaccine are indeed in a higher risk group,then surely they need to know that?

Beautiful Czech girl demonstrates how to make a mask from a t-shirt, no sewing required:
https://t.co/XhZTWCuJfJ

Hip hip,Boo! Hip hip Boo, Oxford stinks!

The contests of the toxic bin a couple of flys sauteed or fricasee`d mixed with water liquidised and the search was over-vaccine found.

Coronavirus vaccine close as Oxford researchers start testing THIS WEEK - UK leading way
MATT HANCOCK has revealed that that a vaccine for the coronavirus is due to start being tested on this week by scientists at Oxford University as the UK leads the "global search" for the end to the pandemic.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1271918/Coronavirus-vaccine-test-oxford-university-clinical-trials-UK

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MMR RIP

Grace Green, thank you; that is a very good point. We were told that the whole point of social distancing was not to put the genie back in the bottle, and that it could not be done ( ie.W ecould not stop COVID from being in our country), but the plan was instead to slow the curve so that COVID spread a little slower, so it was easier to handle.
One reason some populations are catching it more than others may have to do with this.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-misinformation-flu-shots-equal-health/
If The Childrens Defense Fund and the studies they cite are correct, and the flu shot does increase the risk of COVID infections, that is surely something people need to be told in order to help save their lives.
I do find it intriguing that so many on Bill Gates twitter etc are commenting that they do not want his vaccine. I do feel that many people who were less than worried about children being forced to take vaccines to get an education, are very sure that they themselves do not want to take an untested vaccine, and there will, I suspect, be a lot of support against a mandated vaccine. Some people seem to be starting to ask whether a product that needs to be "indemnified" to be produced, is actually "safe" for all.

"I would like to point out to people here the self-evident truth that you cannot "save lives", only postpone death. In the cases of "covid 1984", for one year at the very most."

Precisely.

Fact is, we are all going to die at some future time. None of us will get out of this (life) alive.

Having said this, I do have a belief system which teaches life after death. I have no fear of death itself, but I do have grave concerns over the quality of life for myself and my fellow human beings; I would much prefer to live life with full sovereignty/freedom than chained to an egregious system designed to create fear, isolation and an intolerance for diversity.

But that's just me...

..."It would not be good to try to find middle ground between those who support the lockdown and those who don’t. Those who want to go back to work must show the willingness to consistently wear mask and gloves in public and social distance.?"

Says who, Cia? You?

I disagree.

Again, you are absolutely entrenched with your mantra.

I wish you all the best, Cia.

But I'm done debating...

Tim,

Life is dangerous. Now ask people if they’d rather have someone with CV cough in their unmasked face or take protective measures but be subjected to the stress of implementing them. I think everyone needs to look at the videos of Wuhan, Italy, Spain, NYC, and Ecuador again. And yes, I’ll bet it’s stressful as hell to go to the beach and see dozens of people dead from CV floating on the sea. Or walk to the market around coffins on the sidewalk with your neighbors inside for days at a time. Be unable to get medical care as your relatives choke to death. Would that be more or less stressful than being in quarantine, forced to read and watch videos all day, your meals brought to your door? I think it’s like in February, a lot of people are engaging in American exceptionalism: why it couldn’t happen here. Other than in NY.

Anyone know why dengue and coronavirus have antibody-induced enhancement? I think the idea is interesting. Why does it exist? I had friends at the university when I was a teenager, he was from Belize and that’s where they live now. He has a half-brother whom I also knew, an author, Victor Duran. I saw last week that their daughter said that Victor had dengue hemorrhagic fever and she was begging for blood donations. This severe and often fatal disease only occurs in those who’ve already had and recovered from one of the three less serious forms of dengue, because the antibodies you got the first time enhance the severity of the dengue hemorrhagic fever. How does that work? Relevant because it seems to occur with SARS, MERS, and Covid too.

Bayareamom,

I watched about half the video of the nurse talking about cross-contamination. First, without gloves, all the same cross-contamination she describes would still occur. Touch the toilet paper, touch her phone, touch her face... Absolutely, you need to think about where the germs might be and not get them on your face. Just exactly the same with or without gloves. You need to thoroughly wash your hands in either case. But to say that it’s worse if you wear gloves is not the case. I described what I do to prevent cross-contamination. I made the decision not to worry about possible germs on the outside of packages or on the mail. I think exposure to a low level of CV germs is all right and inevitable. My friend Paty in Mexico City said she disinfects everything she buys at the market or supermarket. That’s fine, and maybe preferable in that context.

But to say you should NOT wear gloves because you’ll get germs on them and then touch packages, phone, face (masked, I hope), so you’ll get infected anyway (and not if you didn’t wear gloves?), is just showing off, as you can hear in her condescending tone. Think where the germs might be and disinfect when you get home.

Bayareamom,

Coronavirus is now known to spread as far as thirty feet from the infected person even by just talking. By both droplets and aerosolized spread. Not hop, skipping, and jumping. Masks are the best way to protect both wearer and the people in his vicinity, or those who later touch something he has contaminated. Infected droplets stop when they reach the material of the mask, and even homemade masks made of a t-shirt are 75% effective. There is no valid excuse for anyone near others in public not to wear both mask and gloves. If you’re wearing gloves and touch something contaminated, the germs stay on the outside of the gloves, unless you touch your face, but they stop at the mask. When we get home from the store, in the garage I wipe the steering wheel, gear shift, and door handles with Lysol wipes. I spray the bottoms of our shoes with Lysol spray. I spray both sides of the gloves and we rub it around before peeling them back while holding one spot on the edge. We’re no longer throwing them away since I don’t know how long this will last. I spray our masks lightly with a vinegar solution and then don’t touch them for a week. I think we’ll start changing clothes when we get home today and wash the clothes we wore to the store immediately. There are always people who get attention by contradicting common wisdom. We are much safer than most because of our precautions. We don’t wear PPE on walks as we never get close to anyone or touch anything.

People who live together may infect each other. That’s just the way it is, but still not a reason to fail to take precautions when you go out.

It would not be good to try to find middle ground between those who support the lockdown and those who don’t. Those who want to go back to work must show the willingness to consistently wear mask and gloves in public and social distance. As long as they say But I want to shake hands! I want to kiss her on the cheek! The mask is hot and uncomfortable, I just want to take it off for ten minutes! I’m ANGRY about not being able to go to church, it’s a violation of the Constitution and the Rights of Man!, as long as they act like that, they do not deserve a hearing.

Hera,

I don’t think I am underestimating the difficulties families are facing. I understand they are very great. The question is how to deal with them. If you have business as usual, you will be causing tens of thousands, even millions, of deaths, and it would be extremely difficult to try to mitigate at that point. I believe as the majority of Americans do, that it is better to control the disease and both prevent coronavirus deaths and prevent the crashing of hospitals, at the cost of considerable suffering on the part of millions of Americans in the short term.

I have not had medical insurance in twenty years. I know it is a gamble, but I would rather not fool with the system at all. Hospitals have to give necessary emergency care and then work out a payment plan. Those with few resources can get Medicaid. Those who can save even a few thousand dollars can go to Mexico for modern medical care and drugs for a fraction of what they cost here. I’m not saying these are the best options, but they are available options. So far I have not regretted just opting out of medical care in the US. Even in my dozens of mercury attacks between 2015 and 2017, with nausea, constant vomiting, sweating, and when the attacks ended, ataxia and permanent severe insomnia, what good would access to a corrupt, ignorant system have done me? I recognize that some people require ongoing medical attention and drugs for conditions like asthma and diabetes (which most wouldn’t have if they hadn’t allowed the medical system to give them vaccines), and those people will have to make the best decisions they can. All hospitals are aware of the problem and many lose their medical insurance every day for different reasons. All hospitals have social workers trained to work out an arrangement. In the midst of the CV epidemic, I think families should consider jettisoning their medical insurance and take their chances. I personally can’t comprehend being bled to death drop by drop. Dina says her family of three pays a thousand a month for insurance. I think that’s madness. And it’s demanding that things go on as usual when it’s not possible, through the fault of the virus, for things to go on as usual.

Laws of different kinds have been passed to protect people, things like suspension or delay of rent payments or utilities. If there were enough need, more such laws would be passed. Fortunately we’re moving into summer.

If you look at the videos of Ecuador you’d want to go everything possible to avoid that here. There is no way to maintain business as usual and also prevent suffering and death on a massive scale from the virus. I really don’t understand the protesters refusing to wear masks and gloves standing shoulder to shoulder. It’s like they live in a world which demands that the virus respect their desires. And if it doesn’t?

If people reliably used mask and gloves, things could loosen up. I read this morning that large numbers of grocery store employees have died of CV. We started wearing masks to go to Schnucks at the beginning of March, but very few were doing it then. Last Monday was the first time that probably two-thirds of customers and all of the employees were wearing masks.

Here is a cute video of actor Dwayne Johnson with his little girl. He's showing her how to wash her hands while teaching her about coronavirus. Look how close he is next to her. NOT six feet away. Not 16 feet away - INCHES away from her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvHtcYHy4eI&frags=pl%2Cwn

So bear in mind that this same father/daughter are also being told by the powers-that-be that should they venture outdoors, they are to utilize the social distancing protocol, and that is (for the moment), using the six feet distancing rule. But wait.

No so called expert/authority says anything about this same type of social distancing when these same individuals are interacting w/one another when they are INSIDE their home. Again - they are being told to practice social distancing ONLY when they are outdoors.

So - are we to assume that germs/viruses are magically compelled to stop right at the entryway to our homes? Doesn't this sort of thinking sound at all familiar to any of you? Oh, that's right! The vaccines they're giving our kids and everyone else makes the vaccinated somehow magically immune to the millions of viruses out there (as Dr. Lawrence Palevsky has pointed out), and it's only the unvaccinated who are riddled with viruses, germs, and disease who make everyone else (read vaccinated)...sick.

Sound familiar AT ALL as to this nonsense re social distancing?

I hope it does, because it's from the same playbook; somehow the coronavirus will magically stay away from you if you practice social distancing protocols outside, but when you're inside - not so much.

This is not science; it's pure unmitigated BS.

I would urge all of you to view the latest link that Laura Hayes put up re the interview with Dr. Rashid Buttar, who speaks about this social distancing issue (among other things).

Hi Cia,
I think you may underestimate the bills people have, even if they get the stimulus check.
For example, here is a link to COBRA, the health plan if you lose your job.
Per this blog, it can cost a lot.
"With COBRA insurance, you’re on the hook for the whole thing. That means you could be paying average monthly premiums of $569 to continue your individual coverage or $1,595 for family coverage—maybe more!"
https://www.daveramsey.com/blog/what-is-cobra-insurance
So, just one month of family health insurance wipes out the stimulus check and then some. Or you have to choose that going to the hospital for any family member will bankrupt you. Which , particularly now, comes with some very genuine health risks. Some of the deaths at home attributed to the covid virus are most likely deaths of poverty from the quarantine. No insurance, and worrying about bankruptcy may end up in death from strokes or heart attacks as people wait too long to go to the hospital..
And if you don't sign up for health insurance and make those payments within 60 days, you have to go without insurance til the next enrollment period, So those uninsured deaths may not end when the quarantine does.
And of course, people have not only food, but also rent, electricity, water etc,and maybe bills from things they bought. It is not really surprising that some are desperate to work again.
Then you have the deaths from elderly people who slip and fall, have strokes etc, but because they are socially isolated no one knows about it.
I am not sure that there are easy answers. I think that face masks, limiting social gatherings etc is a good idea. But maybe there is room for many more people to get back to work in ways that are still reasonably safe for them. The decisions as to what is essential or not seems pretty arbitrary, varying from state to state. Plenty of businesses could probably operate like grocery stores, with some social distancing requirements, and if Amazon can make packaging things reasonably safe for people, probably many other things could be made reasonably safe too.

Bayareamom,

We are not waiting for a cure to end the lockdown. We already have a treatment which is usually very effective if given in time. We are waiting for cases and deaths to clearly diminish, meaning most people at that moment neither have it nor can transmit it. It might be that that moment could be reached if every single person consistently and correctly used mask and gloves, but it would be hard to control, as even now many are not taking this seriously. The people demonstrating at state capitols to end the lockdowns in the photos I have seen were close together and not wearing mask or gloves, essentially saying that they don’t give a damn who they infect, who may die as a result.

I said last week that no country so far has just let it spread unimpeded. Even though I had mentioned the people jamming clinics in Ecuador about a month ago. Well, Ecuador, because of its poverty and weak infrastructure, is now an example of what happens when a country is unable to impede it. Tens of thousands in a small country have died of it. Natural News had a video of the situation yesterday. Dead bodies washing up onto beaches by the dozens. Dead bodies left on the sidewalk, many of them in coffins just sitting there. Mass graves. Hunger. Unemployment, but that is the least of their worries.

Is that what we want? 60% of Americans don’t want to lose what we have gained by the lockdown and fear what would happen if we ended it too soon. 30% want to end them now, but they are saying that they don’t care about the suffering of tens of thousands dying painfully and needlessly if only they can carry on as usual. At this time, the death rate from all kinds of accidents is way down because people are staying at home. When people get their stimulus check, if they buy rice and beans they will not starve. Millions in Latin America go their whole lives eating little other than rice and beans. And you can buy a lot of them for twelve hundred dollars. It’s just until the case and death rates go down for two weeks, when we can cautiously loosen up. Who wants to be responsible for even a single death, much less tens of thousands if transmission gets into high gear again?

Benedetta,

I’m very sorry you’re having such a hard time. I don’t know exactly what it’s like, it sounds like the situation with your son is harder than mine with my daughter.

I just read a news report about a movie actor who had a leg amputated because of Covid. I opened and read it because I couldn’t imagine why that would happen. A young, handsome man. His wife said he was hospitalized with Covid and got blood clots. I read last week that Covid can cause abnormal coagulation all over the body. The doctors put him on blood thinners, which caused blood pressure problems, so they took him off, the disease caused clotting in his leg and it was amputated. He nearly died. Then I saw a story about a woman whose father died of Covid last week. He was in his early seventies, had had a minor fall and was in the hospital. He caught Covid in the hospital and was soon struggling to breathe. The woman had them put a cell phone close to him and she talked constantly to him, I love you, I’m sorry, I forgive you, and her brothers and sisters joined in a conference call and sang the songs that he had taught them on camping trips, and reminisced, as they listened to him struggle to breathe. It was a lot like when I went to my father the week he died. He even looked like my father. He died, but he shouldn’t have died last week of this strange new disease. It was a reminder of how every number we see in the statistics is an individual unique life at the center of a vast network of social relations and decades of personal experience. I would like to resist the sudden, incomprehensible suffering and loss of any more. It makes no sense. It makes no sense that the virus attacks so many parts of so many systems in so many ways, without even imparting lasting immunity, apparently. No sense that either recovery or a vaccine seem to lead to antibody-dependent enhancement. I think most people are horrified by it.

I would like this to end as well. I am tired of it, tired of Cecily’s not having her normal activities, not going to church this morning and then to Petco or PetSMart. I may have already had it but don’t know if it did me any good: it may be that I’ll get an antibody-enhanced version of it next time and die. It scares me to death to think what would happen then to Cecily and our pets. She’s not ready for it.

I have gotten more frightened over time rather than less, just as the CFR has gone up rather than down. I would like to see a change for the better in the statistics. But if there is a change, it will be as the result of the lockdown. There are no signs that the disease is running down of its own accord. If we end the lockdown prematurely, I’m afraid there will be hell to pay.

This won’t go on forever. It can’t. In the meantime, it’s just one day at a time.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3464820/

@Cia,

You appear to be of the opinion that 'only' quarantine will save lives re this pandemic. I think it could be legitimately argued that this is minimizing the impact that high unemployment has on a major segment of the global population. Lower to medium level skilled unemployed workers often experience extremely high death rates during times of crisis. This is a very worrisome issue and one of which is eloquently discussed during a recent interview Del Bigtree held with Toby Rogers, Ph.D., in one of The Highwire's recent videos.

The level of incompetence re the COVID-19 issue has alarmed me to the extent I didn't think I could be alarmed.

The claim that the only way to save lives during this pandemic is by closing down an entire country seems a bit (to me) like an emotional overreach and clearly one in which does not take into account the issue of an alarming death rate during times of high unemployment. The consequences to this are extremely devastating for many. Domestic violence increases according to statistics/research; alcoholism, suicides -- all increase during moments of high unemployment during periods of crisis.

People who are demonstrating are not just angry - they are desperate. Anyone who feels that the government is here to save you, or that it will save you duriing this time of crisis, are delusional. There simply comes a time when people have got to stand up for themselves and say enough is enough. They need to feed and take care of their loved ones. I would imagine it is quite easy for some billionaire to say that everyone just needs to bunker down for 18 months, if not longer, and wait for that magical, cure all remedy - a vaccine - to come in and save the day.

That's just ludicrous -- on so many levels. And on so many levels, I don't see that happening (but that's a topic for another thread).

I hope, when all is said and done, that the powers-that-be learn the lessons they need to learn with all of this. There has got to be a way to protect ALL, not those who become ill, but those of whom are not as impacted and are ready and willing to continue to work to keep this economy running.

This is vital.

We can, and should, be better than this. The politicizing of this issue is rancid and needs to stop. We're all in this thing together.

But I will say this: Dr. Fauci and some of his cohorts have a lot of explaining to do when this thing dials down. I try not to begrudge those of whom make honest mistakes, learn from them, and do better, later. But I DO hope that. Fauci is held accountable for his atrocities when all is said and finished. If anyone has not as of yet viewed the 7 minute video with Dr. Judy Mikovits and what she has to say about Anthony Fauci, I would urge you to do so.

SHE is a hero. This world desperately needs more scientists of the caliber and integrity of a Dr. Mikovits.

Jmho...

John,
I saw on UK Column a quote from Ferguson himself that he had done the first model he published - the one giving a figure of 500,000 deaths - fifteen years ago, based on a general probability of a future flu pandemic. Given that he didn't give that information to start with, but made out he had made that model specifically for the Covid 1984 "pandemic", I think that could qualify as being economical with the truth!

Benedetta,

The tragedy is caused by the pandemic itself. The issue is whether to save lives or to carry on as usual and save jobs and income. I believe that it is better to save lives and put the rest back together when most are out of danger, although it’s uncertain when and if that will be. Since we have come (phone dying, continue later)

Bayareamom,

I read the article, but still think Sweden has chosen the wrong course. It said, for example, that Sweden’s number of deaths per million was only twice that (!) of neighboring locked-down Denmark, but as of today Worldometer says that Denmark has 61 deaths per million and Sweden 152, so already well over twice as many. It said that children were not big transmitters so that’s why Sweden continues to demand that kids up to 16 continue to attend school (although many parents and teachers are begging them to close). The Italian physician at Catbox, the link to which I put up about a month ago, said that visits with their grandchildren were the primary reason for the massacre of the elderly (and their doctors) in Italy. Sweden seems to have chosen the information it would like to believe supports its case for selfish and reckless behavior. An expert interviewed said it would all work out the same, whether you allowed the cull of your population to occur now or when the lockdowns are ended. That is not how they are supposed to work. Ideally, and this is the plan, you wait until cases and deaths have been markedly decreasing for two weeks. Then you cautiously loosen some aspects of the lockdown, prepared to move quickly when new cases appeared to isolate them, trace their contacts, and quarantine those. Being prepared to reinstate the lockdown at the point when a certain number of cases might appear in a given population. First the hammer, then the dance. I do not understand at all how a civilized country like Sweden could say it would not even try to treat the elderly with Covid and could just say Covid’s a lot like the Spanish flu? Bring it on! We can take it! Who’s number one?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/can-you-beat-covid-19-without-a-lockdown-sweden-is-trying

I just looked at Worldometers. Sweden has now had 1,555 deaths, so 555 since yesterday. An increase of one-third in 24 hours. 150 deaths per million population, almost half our rate, and we’re the world leader now and Sweden just got into the race.

Hera, I hope I don’t have to find out how CV patients are treated here or what their (our) options are. I don’t know what they are in Sweden either. I don’t know if HCQ etc is universally available there or if it is offered. I read that the NHS was only offering oxygen and Tylenol. Just starting to trial HCQ.

But how depraved if they first don’t try to control the disease and then don’t give good treatment for it, and just leave those over a certain age to die based only on a number. What kind of a medical system is that?

Thank you, Cait, I appreciate your kind words!

Tim,

Both the Spanish flu and Covid were/are pandemics: a widespread contagious disease which spreads to at least two continents (one definition). The Spanish flu ultimately infected everyone in the world and killed two percent of the world population. But most of those who got it had a relatively mild or subclinical case. On what do you base your assertion that as many as 90% of Swedes already have immunity to Covid? They’re just introducing the test and no country’s population has all been tested, as far as I know only a few small groups in a few places have been assessed for antibodies. Its accuracy has also not been established, nor which strains it assesses.

You have a high bar for seriousness. Even in the case of the Spanish flu, for all its horror and devastation, from one point of view you could just say that two percent of the world’s population is insignificant, a drop in the bucket. But most people read about it and are shocked and appalled. As now, reading about the massacre in northern Italy or Spain is enough to draw tears from a stone. And the manner of death, asphyxiating, in many cases suddenly collapsing and dying from inability to breathe. The inability to cope with the huge numbers of the dying and the dead. The disaster in New York City, hundreds dying uncared for in their homes. The fear of its wreaking havoc in our neighborhood or in our homes.

I think the number of deaths in Sweden almost tripling in eleven days is horrifying. We’ll have to wait and see what it means in the weeks to come. I lived on Bjorkbacksveg in Stora Mossen in Stockholm, the city hardest hit in Sweden. I’m sure many of our neighbors from then, twenty years ago, have been affected, and I wish I knew how.

Of course five years from now we’ll look back on this with calm and equanimity, but not now when the outcome is completely unknown.

@Benedetta

No matter the topic, Cia’s posts are informative and thought-provoking, and she is invariably civil and polite. You asked her whose side she is on. What does that even mean? Can’t we agree on some things and disagree on others? What is wrong with weighing the evidence and making our own decisions based on where it leads?

If you and others want to put your faith in Bigtree, no questions asked, that’s your prerogative. But don’t get bent out of shape because Cia does her own research and formulates her own opinions – that’s HER prerogative. We may be in lockdown, but that doesn't mean we have to walk in lockstep.

The sun does not rise and set on Del Bigtree. From what I’ve seen and heard, he’s no expert on Covid-19 or anything else. Loin de là. He may be a congenial guy, but he’s essentially an opinion-monger and a bit of a rabble rouser, not a serious thinker. I mean, come on… the lockdown threatens our religious freedom because we can’t go to church for a few weeks? Now THAT's silly, IMHO!

Very true John

They can have Pollard for free.China the world exporter of Pandemics and the Uk world exporters of deathly vaccines no doubt to be made in China.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Grace
Certainly, never thought of it as prison but your right. I tended to think of it as controlled virtue signalling and as you say via Stockholm syndrome . I haven’t been outside clapping for anyone although I think the world of the workers at the NHS but the system is rotten to the core. As Benadetta points out were also having difficulty finding our usual sites these days for me its AOA and Mercolla with others that have been removed completely even from Paypal Alex Jones Tommy Robinson and a few others I know of just completely removed from the web for speaking up for the truth. Orwell wrote his book on the Ilse of Jura of the West Coast here whilst suffering from TB.It seems to me that’s where the Globalists are aiming for Orwell land,and how they get there seems to be via medical tyranny.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Hera,

What is happening in nursing homes in many places is horrendous. I don’t know what they should have done or what they should do now. I disapprove of refusing to treat a patient because he or she is over a certain age, as it has been reported that Sweden says it is doing/will do. My opinion on that is that such a cruel decision is not necessary if you have implemented lockdowns etc. and they have kept numbers of the desperately ill with the system’s capacity to treat. Norway, Finland, Denmark, and Iceland are not in this situation because they have so far locked down and stayed within the limits. I understand that many have delayed taking action, and I can’t blame them for that, up you a certain point, which Sweden has passed. The UK is now in desperate straits. I wonder to what extent the failure to respect the rules has contributed to this. Also true that the U.K. and the Netherlands are the most densely populated countries in the world, which makes social distancing harder. I’m going to post this now, the space is flying away. Thank you for your kindness.

Benedetta,

You have not hurt my feelings. I have indicated my sources for information. You don’t seem to be responding to what they bring up. You have said several times that Ferguson lied. How did he lie? He made future projections which didn’t come to pass because the UK and the Netherlands changed course, fearing the outcome predicted by the Imperial College report. So what was the lie? You said that Del believed what China said about coronavirus there. Was there any reason to believe that China was being honest about its numbers at any point? Most people never thought the government was being honest. Who did, and on what did they base that belief?

Or Sweden. This is very important for the sake of tens of thousands of lives. As of April 4 you could say that Sweden was doing pretty well even without lockdowns. But wasn’t it important to be alert for changes? Some sources of information had a lot philosophically and practically invested in the belief that lockdowns were not necessary, and may not have wished to recognize the meaning of changed facts on the ground. Deaths in Sweden nearly tripled in eleven days, while they remained low in locked-down Denmark, Finland, and Norway. This was important, and it confirmed that lockdowns have saved tens of thousands of lives. So now what? Will the outlets which have been saying that the natural course is better and there should be no lockdowns now report this new event and change to praising lockdowns, or will they just ignore it, trusting that their supporters will not seek out sources of information outside its approved outlets? But that would lead to many deaths and untold suffering. Is faith more satisfying than the truth?

The opinion of those you refer to does not matter to me.

Angus,
Interesting you mention Stockholm syndrome. Isn't that exactly what is afflicting those people who are standing at their prison/front doors clapping the NHS every Thursday!

Hi Cia,
I certainly think it is fine to check all sources, and question everything since all of us, with the best of intentions, are living in an environment right now where it is difficult to get accurate information. And the data often becomes clearer as time goes on.
Here is an article giving a different point of view on Sweden.
https://reason.com/2020/04/17/in-sweden-will-voluntary-self-isolation-work-better-than-state-enforced-lockdowns-in-the-long-run/
Apparently Sweden has exceptional illness tracking, compared to Norway
From the article
"It means that Sweden reports the number of people who die with COVID-19, not of COVID-19.
Even in a culturally and geographically similar country like Norway—celebrated for its low death rate—they do things differently. The Norwegians only count something as a COVID-19 death if a doctor concludes that someone was killed by the disease and decides to report it to the country's public health authority. "
And most of their deaths (42%) are in nursing homes. We are also, despite the quarantine, having huge numbers of deaths in nursing homes.And it appears likely that many of these deaths here in America, depending on the state's information gathering, may not be counted as COVID deaths.
You mentioned that Sweden is not treating its elderly properly with COVID. It seems like we aren't either.
Per this spate of Nursing Home deaths in the U.S. , the family members were told by a form letter
https://wfuv.org/content/families-say-they-received-form-letters-nj-nursing-home-loved-ones-died
"Due to the limitations of the healthcare system in place and considering that community-based hospitals in North Jersey hospitals are overwhelmed, there is very minimal chance of getting any more care in the hospital. Therefore, we are treating our residents in a contained unit in our facility and keeping them in a home setting."

Imo, leaving people with severe respiratory distress in a nursing home, under the pretense that a hospital wouldn't provide better care, is cruel and wrong. Some may in indeed choose to die in their nursing home, not every one wants extensive treatment, but that is very different from a blanket decision that none of the residents deserve proper hospital care. Hospitals are designed to care for people with severe respiratory problems.The reality is nursing homes are not. How many of those patients got offered say azithromycin and Hydrochlorothiazine, or IV vitamin C, or any of the anti virals now being touted as helpful? How many got of those patients even got properly monitored and titrated oxygen, respiratory therapist visits,regular suctioning,various forms of respiratory treatments, inhalers, etc, let alone nitrous oxide,ventilator support etc. How many even got IV fluids when they couldn't drink and started getting dehydrated?
I don't think our own quarantine is protecting the elderly,and I don't think our policies are providing them with medical care. Just m o.
Whether Sweden is going, in the long run, to have done better or worse, is something most likely we only be really able to be judge months down the road.

Benedetta,

Why do you wish to insult me? You have always known that I was aware of the extreme and insuperable dangers of vaccines, for some more than others. You have also always known that I have always thought that most vaccines in most people most of the time work to prevent the targeted disease for a uncertain length of time. It must be an individual decision, never compelled, but I have also always thought that the TD series is good for most children to get after two or three years old, polio if it comes back here, and Hib for small children who have to be in daycare. The yellow fever vaccine for those who will be at risk in a yellow fever zone. So no, I am not against all vaccines all the time for everyone. I think there is a good chance that the coronavirus vaccine will be too dangerous to use because of antibody-dependent enhancement, in addition to all the usual risks. But this is something every individual will have to learn about and make a decision on. It is not appropriate to insult me or anyone else for looking at and weighing all the options.

Susan,

Sweden is the only First World country which decided to do nothing to resist Covid. I put up references to described sources (I don’t know how to give links on my iPhone) which showed that as of April 4 you might have said that maybe they were right, but the subsequent explosion in deaths there now shows that Sweden was not right, and now thousands of its citizens will die when most would not have had Sweden acted as responsibly as the other Scandinavian countries did. Unfortunately they can’t now go back in time and take the steps which would have prevented these deaths.

I think maybe you were only looking at the figures from April 4, but figures from April 11, after deaths nearly tripled, are the more relevant ones now and are paving the way to even higher death rates in the weeks to come.

Angus,
Your figures seem to have no relation to Covid. Are they just expressing the percentage of total deaths out of the total population? I don’t think that’s very relevant. I think more interesting is the fact that in the many hard-hit countries Covid is at this time the number one cause of death. That includes the zuS and all the countries of Western Europe.

Dr. Phil has been widely reviled for trying to minimize Covid, comparing it to statistics on those killed in accidents and other ways of dying. I don’t agree with him. At this time those in businesses with many dead from Covid have had their employees stay home en masse, like at many meat packaging plants. And that’s WITH lockdowns. What would it be if the disease were out of control, just burning through society? I’ve read about families with several members killed. What would happen if that were magnified, and food supply chains just fell apart? Electricity and water plants as well? Swedish teachers say that children in whose families one or more is sick come to school infecting others. There is no protection for those in most danger of getting a severe case. Is the message Who cares about the weak? We’re better off without them?

Cia; I don't have to have the facts, you silly nilly; Bigtree has the facts, looked at the studies and pointed my nose, eyes, and brain to them. Just like J.B. Handley did. Just like they do here on Age of Autism, just like SafeMinds, just like John Stone, just like Christopher Exley, Just like Gherdari, Mark Blaxill, Once upon a time Dan Olmsted did, and on and on.

Now Bigtree about a month ago was looking at the numbers of those dying in China and did the math right on the board he said he was "geeking out" I followed along with him.

The only thing that could mess up the numbers was if - Oh if China lied about their numbers. But what ever the numbers were in the beginning in China, and not the numbers that the models that our federal agencies were looking that were way, way off.

Bigtree was going by the numbers that China gave at that time.

He was right on the air broadcasting live when the very person that did the main model over in UK changed his mind and said this coronavirus is not near as deadly and scaled it way, way down.

That is not to say that it is not a very, long drawn out, hard to kick by our immune system even if it does not get us into some kind of breathing problems. And I don't want it.

Just whose side are you on anyway? Putting down Bigtree? Hmmmm?
Are you ready to get a vaccine every time Bill Gates and the WHO WarLord says you should? Every time that our CDC, Bill Gates, and WHO gives money to some half ass level four (barely doing the protocols labs) in some want to be first country.

Cia, I don't think we could have been looking at the same information.

@cia I looked at the study you mentioned, "Intervention strategies against COVID-19 and their estimated impact on Swedish healthcare capacity"(https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.20062133v1)

This looks like total nonsense, intended to force the Swedish government to "lockdown" legally and thereby eliminate a control group. The growth of new cases and deaths in Sweden appears to be linear, not exponential. If so, it is impossible to get the serious caseload and deaths the study forecasts.

Because growth of new cases appears to be linear, the measures they are taking in Sweden look like they are working -- they appear to have stopped exponential growth (they have R0 <= 1, as they say)

25% charged now. OK, Iceland has only had 9 deaths, 26 per million population. Has it been in lockdown? I think it has been. An article at Business Insider said that it had had no lockdowns, but also said that everyone there who wanted, could be tested. 50% of those who tested positive had no symptoms. An article at Reuter’s in April 2 said that Iceland was going to end its lockdown in May. It said that it had closed its schools and shut down many activities, and imposed social distancing. I think that means that it HAS been on lockdown. Maybe it’s allowing everyone to be tested has meant that those with a cough have asked to be tested and then self-isolated. But you’ve already done a lot when you close schools, which it has done.

So it still looks as though Sweden is the only developed country which has refused to lock down as a matter of ill-considered policy, and it is paying the price.

Susan,
Sweden has tried not locking down, with very bad results. You can’t leave it up to individual judgment: most people do what they think promotes their own interests, even if it means the death of large numbers of their fellow citizens. This is not over yet. I just got these deaths per million figures from Worldometers.info. US 107 deaths per million (the most common cause of death now), Spain 417, Italy 376, France 275, Germany 50, UK 215, Belgium 445, Netherlands 202, Switzerland 153, Austria 46 (and is leading the way on ending the lockdowns), Sweden 139 (the only developed country I’m aware of with no lockdowns), Denmark 58, Norway 30, Finland 15.

What country can you offer in comparison which has had a lot of cases but few deaths, demonstrably as a direct result of not imposing restrictive measures, but leaving it to individual choice?

The carnage is unimaginable. Now there’s information on the very high death rate in care homes of both staff and patients in Washington state, Kentucky, New York, Michigan, New Jersey, and the UK.

Susan

It seems according to the evening press conference that the British government plan to redeem the nation’s fortunes by turning us into a vaccine superstate providing vaccines for the world. They don't seem to be in sync with the Oxford claim that they will be ready by the autumn but we are going to lead the world (or not) anyway, with a proud history going back to Edward Jenner (after all it only took 184 years to rid the world of smallpox and some may think it was isolation which worked).

So having screwed up worse than anywhere else the triumphant march to safety can begin. Put out more flags!

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ukc-news-17-apr-20-coronavirus-second-peak

Cia, Maybe you won't like this either. However, it does seem that those countries that haven't locked down, but have used voluntary 'restrictions' appear to have less deaths per million. They will, of course, have far healthier economies and as an added bonus, natural herd immunity.

Angus

I am not sure Ferguson was so wrong this time but then if you keep making horrific predictions then one day you may be on the money. As it is we will never know what would have happened if we had done nothing but I fear he may be optimistic about the consequences of acting.

Bayareamom,

I watched the video you linked, but don’t trust it for several reasons. Dramatic showmanship in its presentation for one. Backing up and up and up, figuratively across the street (with no unit of measurement given) only to say that Fauci recognized the value of treating SARS with HCQ as far back as 2003. I distrust anything that says that our constitutional rights are being violated by the lockdown. I dislike references to “dramatic attempts” and “inconvenient truths.”

I believe that HCQ with azithromycin and zinc is the best treatment, but do not have the data to say how many of the most serious cases it would have saved. I’ve also seen studies which have not found high efficacy from its use. Emotionally I want to say they were flawed, and other studies HAVE found high efficacy.

A Swedish authority said that Sweden has handled the crisis “in a good manner.” It has not closed its schools for kids under sixteen. Many of its businesses continue to operate. Was this a good choice? As of today, Sweden has had 1,400 deaths from Covid, at a rate of 139 deaths per million inhabitants, still lower than the UK or the Netherlands. But if you compare it with surrounding Scandinavian countries which DID go on lockdown, Denmark has had only 336 deaths, 58 per million. Finland has had 82 deaths, 15 per million. Norway has had 158 deaths, 29 per million. I think Sweden has not acted in the best interests of its citizens, even insisting that children cannot spread the disease. I’m going to continue in another comment so I don’t lose the ability to post this one.

Imperial College scientist who predicted 500K coronavirus deaths in UK adjusts figure to 20K or fewer

A scientist who warned that the coronavirus would kill 500,000 people in the United Kingdom has presented evidence that if current measures work as expected, the death toll would drop to roughly 20,000 people or fewer.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/imperial-college-scientist-who-predicted-500k-coronavirus-deaths-in-uk-revises-to-20k-or-less

Well the expert,wasnt far wrong from his first guesstimate 480 k wrong and more..but they can put any figure out and they all stand there like the clapping nodding seals they are, repeating it...

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Barry

I don't exclude malice from the scenario but this is not just theatre. The officials and the government were caught on the hop - they were very reluctant to act at all -apart from telling people to wash their hands - until the last week and a half of March when they realised they were about to be overwhelmed.

Barry

No doubt the situation is messy

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1484

@Cia,

May I ask (politely) that you view Del Bigtree's recent YT Highwire video of today's date? I'm going to take a giant leap and assume you've not yet viewed it.

I sense SO MUCH FEAR in your posts of late. Initially, I, too, was frightened. I don't even watch TV these days and haven't in a long time, but when I started hearing some of these physicians speak out, I did frankly become more ethan a little concerned.

But after some reading and researching, I started coming to the conclusion that something just wasn't adding up; the numbers weren't adding up with the rhetoric that was pouring out of our media.

Not at all saying that this virus wasn't a real issue and that it's not been deadly for some people - it certainly has. But once you allow yourself to truly understand the data that is now coming in, I think the level of concern that has gripped so many people around the globe, needs to be in proportion to the TRUE numbers that are coming out.

What really impressed me were the physicians who have been discussing the HQ issue LONG before Fauci started tauting his so called 'research' into HQ. Turns out, Fauci knew about this treatment protocol re HQ back in 2005.

I am not at all saying that we shouldn't take some necessary precautions, but on the other hand, the hysteria that this has caused needs to stop. People need to get a grip and start focusing on hardcore DATA rather than the fear/hype being pumped out by our media shills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZG1g2extsM

@Angus Files you made my day with that link, thank you.

@ Cia, my parents and brother became very sick the first week of December. My mom said, "It went to our lungs the first day." My brother (30) recovered within a week but my parents (62) were much sicker and my mom says that she had a "cough so bad that I gagged." She said that six weeks later she was still coughing. They live in San Diego. Regarding homeopathic remedies: Rajan Sankaran, the famous and talented Indian homeopath and MD, has pronounced camphor the genus epidemicus. His colleague distributed 67,000 vials of camphor to the population:

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/herd-immunity-homoepathy-not-lockdown-best-to-fight-coronavirus-rajiv-bajaj/story/400768.html

John Stone
It might not be 2½ x normal if the UK didn't have 4½ x less critical care beds now than Germany.
So the triage avenues selects just those who have the most hope of survival out of those presenting with mild, serious and critical symptoms. Leaving the later dependant on a lottery of a bed becoming free for the worst of reasons. So yes — its a crisis OK and a crisis in UK healthcare previsions at that.
https://www.statista.com/chart/21105/number-of-critical-care-beds-per-100000-inhabitants/

Angus

I don't believe anymore it is a pseudo crisis: week 14 mortality in London for instance was x2.5 normal but that does not mean we should be rushed into doing something that could easily make everything worse.

John
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The story in the following link is is titled "Coronavirus: Record weekly death toll as fearful patients avoid hospitals"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-record-weekly-death-toll-as-fearful-patients-avoid-hospitals-bm73s2tw3

The first two paragraphs read:

.. England and Wales have experienced a record number of deaths in a single week, with 6,000 more than average for this time of year.

Only half of those extra numbers were attributed to the corona virus. Experts said they were shocked by the rise, particularly in non-Covid-19 deaths, and expressed concern that the lockdown might be having unintended consequences for people’s health...."

When you consider that the Covid-19 death count includes both 'suspected' deaths from Covid19, and deaths that occurred with (... rather than from) Covid-19, the non-Covid-19 portion of those 6000 deaths is likely a lot higher than 3000.

Goldenchameleon,

I’d like to know the same thing. There’s the original S strain, less dangerous, and the L mutation. An American was diagnosed in January as having both. A Brazilian had another mutation. They don’t yet know how many there may be. It’s an RNA virus which mutates easily. And they don’t know if a vaccine for one would apply to others. Apparently since the one man had both, getting one doesn’t protect you from getting another. I haven’t read this, but I think what many of us got this past winter was the S strain coming from China across the Pacific, not the L strain which branched off from the S strain and went to Iran, Europe, and New York and has killed so many. I would like to learn more. I watched a little of the Lisa Lang program, but it was silly with no intelligent discussion.

Fauci thought there should be lasting immunity from getting it, if it were like other viruses, but he wasn’t talking about the different strains. Maybe those who get it, test positive, then negative, then positive have gotten the other (one of the other?) strains. Which would mean that they are similar enough that the same test can detect more than one strain? I guess we’ll see what happens when the L strain reached the Heartland and those who already had the S strain. My Panamanian friend is sure she had it in St. Louis in January and I that I had it in December. When did your parents have it? How long did it last? The checkout boy at Schnucks is sure he had it. So far my city has only had ninety cases, one death (someone who had returned from traveling in Italy). We’re doing the lockdown very conscientiously here, and most of our cases have probably been the S strain that Dina and I probably had. Which was bad enough, but did not land us in the hospital. The person who died at the university hospital five miles from here undoubtedly had the L strain. I was about to speculate that maybe having one strain made getting the other milder, but I think it’s the opposite, as the man in China who got it a second time and died shows. Maybe from the antibody-dependent enhancement. Maybe if you get antibodies to the disease from either a vaccine or the natural disease, if you’re exposed to it again, it’s more serious from the enhancement. Like with dengue. We were on the Mayan Riviera in November and December, nearly everyone had gotten dengue, but a French tour operator said that a friend had nearly died when the second time he got dengue hemorrhagic fever. The reason there’s no dengue or SARS vaccine.

I think this would be a good time to see how effective homeopathy is. We’ve taken the nosode twice so far, on March and April 1. I found that gelsemium is sold out most places all over the world, so I hope that means that’s many are using it and we’ll see how effective it is. I found I still had some and we’re taking it once a day for seven days, as Dr. Moskowitz recommended. I found that camphora is being used in Iran: maybe it’s better for the L strain?

Overall, more than 92%, probably more like 95% of the population are not affected by SARS-Cov-2. Either they don't get it when exposed, or they have no symptoms when they test positive.

And of course, no one is interested in what creates this immunity or symptom-free resolution. Is it selenium status? Vitamin D? Some combination, or something else?

For the underlying data, there is a paper on transmission of SARS-Cov-2 on the Diamond Pricess, Transmission routes of Covid-19. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.09.20059113v1

It says that of the people testing positive for SARS-Cov-2, 60% had no symptoms. Only 14% of the crew and 21% of the passengers tested positive for the virus.