Michael

I think the big problem for “Concerned” is cognitive dissonance. She lives in an imaginative world in which government is rational and wise - she perhaps thinks that justified criticism would find public health to be 5% wrong rather than 95% wrong, so she cannot understand why we are so far adrift. And if we just step away from the scientific problem we have the problem that government (the officials and the politicians) is serving an industry and escapes forever being held to account, while its critics are pilloried and publicly abused (aided by the media which is also 100% in the hands of the lobby). But we no longer live in a liberal democracy in which governments are held to account. More than a century ago Ambrose Bierce quipped that a corporation was “an ingenious device for extracting individual profit without individual responsibility”; more than a century ago Woodrow Wilson complained that big business had overtaken the government (while failing to do anything about it); 60 years ago Eisenhower warned:

“In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity....The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded...”

And what we have to say is we are reaping the whirlwind because no one did anything about it, and for much of the public their reality is determined by bureaucracies which are only subject to token checks and balances, and the government juggernaut is way off course. The American Revolution wanted to limit government and hold it to account but it has failed. George III was nothing compared with pharma.

For three and half decades now government has let the vaccine industry completely off the hook in terms of liability, it has token monitoring, and the schedule only gets longer as corporate behemoths manoeuvre to get their products mandated - you only have to look at Admiral Schuchat’s face at the ACIP to realise it is all a big joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHcaiActqY&w=420&h=237

Concerned,

You asked Hera if her doctor were one of those being investigated for charging to write an exemption. So you think it’s OK for the doctor to insist on following the new laws and vaccinate even those almost certain to have a severe reaction (and charge big bucks for doing so), but not for the doctor to listen to the parent and do what they choose to do (and, obviously, charge big bucks)?

Any vaccine has the potential to disable, even kill, the person who gets it. According to human rights conventions, Nuremberg, Heldinki, this means that every human being has the right to accept or reject any medical intervention. In no case may any doctor force any vaccine or any other intervention on any patient. The choice is at all times completely in the patient’s hands (if he can come up with the money to pay for it, a big problem in the US). But doctors are employed and paid by their patients, paid for whatever the patient decides to ask him to do.

Parents are compelled to give schools either a complete vaccination record or a valid exemption, and ethically they should always be given the option of a religious or philosophical exemption. And it should come as no surprise to you if many would rather protect their own children from autism and autoimmune disease than protect yours from germs they might give your children.

Thank you for reading that study. It is just one example in many and a good example how to look at big trends. I read the whole thing, and what is interesting is how the studies of factors from different angles are compared. Long term trends over many areas and situations is the only way to start to narrow down the problem. How can you claim 100% so many problems are due to only vaccines, when there is no way most of us can avoid pollution, for example? Or infections, same issue. These factors are not being discussed on this site, and that is concerning for anyone that really does have immune issues. You can’t ethically put children in a bubble and test them, and then there would be obvious other environmental factors then you wouldn’t be able to rule out. This is why comparing different studies is key. Like my late dad said, “never make a decision without looking at all the alternatives.” I am obviously not a scientist, and hope I haven’t said anything that is really silly, but I do know a little stats from the social sciences. I am looking at the same data a bit differently from you all here. Stats is stats, and it makes logical sense to not make conclusions on cases or single studies.

I know California, and definitely you can’t get a vaccine without signing a paper saying you don’t have all these risk factors. It always makes me a little nervous, but I sign it anyway because I know the risks for infection are worse than the vaccines for my family. We also have to drive our kids to get them to school, and that has risk too.

Our doctors have done good by us. Honestly if you have been afraid of regular doctors for a long time and you have any autoimmune issues, maybe it is time to go back to them. Things are better now and I have never had one that doesn’t listen in the last 10 years. Some of the alternative treatments you are discussing might be triggering more problems. I don’t know, but have seen it happen with one of them. You may not even know why you have walking problems or hurt, it may not be what you think it is. It might be a flare from something else. Going on faith in only those you trust, and not reading outside areas that only support your views could be putting you at risk from what I know at least.

Concerned. You concern me greatly but I do love your comedy !

"And always check with your doctor first. " Brilliant.
You must have laughed yourself silly writing that

Who was it who said ?
"The Doctors can no longer be trusted"

JDS-AOA why do you allow concerned to post here with this absolute nonsense when you disallow my posts on a 60% basis ?

https://thehomestead.guru/vaccines-pregnancy/
Vaccines and Pregnancy: The Criminal Conspiracy to Create Autism

https://thehomestead.guru/the-debate-is-over-the-mmr-vaccine-can-cause-autism-and-the-cdc-is-engaged-in-a-criminal-conspiracy-to-cover-up-this-fact/

Concerned

“In our area, this is not the case, and the exemptions allowed are wide enough to cover anyone who is at risk of an autoimmune trigger. Why not work to make the exemptions work for everyone? Just arguing against all vaccines and all rules puts children at risk. If you think you are at risk for an autoimmune disease, you want high vaccination rates, not lower ones. Same for autism based on all the meta studies, babies are more at risk from infection.”

What exactly happens where you live may not be entirely relevant if what you are arguing adversely effects people who live elsewhere. What about the people of California? The press conference by human rights lawyer Leigh Dundas just before the pernicious SB276 was passed into law last September is particularly disturbing - there is 50 mins of it but it is fascinating just to watch the last seven just after she finishes speaking in which in one telephone conversation after another mothers requesting exemptions for a child with anaphylaxis gets turned down by Californian doctors - if I remember hundreds of calls were made and not one doctor dared to consider it. So, the doctors live in terror and the welfare of the immunocompromised is not what this is about at all.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/09/leigh-dundas-press-conference-on-an-investigating-sb276.html

But then, of course, you don’t live in California, do you?

Concerned,

I'm afraid that it is on the immunocompromised and their families to determine how best to protect them. No one should be forced to gamble with their own or their childrens' lives hoping to protect them from germs by getting any vaccine. And in nearly every case they have compromised their immune systems by taking vaccines. They made a bad choice. But it would not be fair to insist that they drag everyone else down with them.

It really doesn't matter as far as the outside world goes what may trigger attacks of autoimmune disease. In my case it's heat, fatigue, and stress, but there you go. I get no assistance from anyone in reducing my stress and fatigue. It is unfortunate that my parents were unaware at the time of how dangerous the DPT vaccine was, how many it had damaged, or that it would cause a serious autoimmune disease in me. My father would not have let me get it if he had known.

It would be better for parents at the outset to realize how dangerous the routine vaccines are and refuse most of them. Then their children wouldn't get autoimmune disease to start with. You're worried, for reasons which are clear, only about what triggers attacks of a diseased state already in place when it would be better to prevent it to start with.

Hi Concerned:
Here are a couple of quotes directly from the main text of your meta- analysis.

"Vaccines contain carriers and adjuvants (e.g., aluminum), each of which could possibly cause toxicity, and the active ingredient is an immune trigger that, itself, may be deleterious for the developing nervous system."
"The second exception was from a study of thimerosal from hepatitis B vaccination in the 1st month of life, limited to males, that showed an elevated association (Fig. 6, purple).102 This result has not been included in prior reviews. Alternate explanations of this elevated result include (1) the failure to adjust for temporal trends, (2) random error and a consequent bias away from the null given that only 30 cases were included, or (3) that non-mercury constituents of the hepatitis B vaccine could increase autism risk."
"Of note, additional community and research attention regarding vaccines and autism has focused on measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, which never contained thimerosal and so is outside the scope of this review."

It is often worth reading more than just the abstract, as it often glosses over information contained in the text.

Don't know if you have ever seen the Princess Bride?It's a great movie, ( and you might well enjoy it if you have not seen it;a family friendly swashbuckling adventure) Anyway, one character keeps saying "inconceivable" about events which then keep happening. Eventually, another character says " I do not think that word means what you think it means.." Similarly, there is an old saying "the devil is in the details.."so if you are suggesting that your meta analysis proves no link between vaccines and autism, then in true Princess Bride fashion, I suggest that "I do not think that study proves what you think it proves" ....

Concerned,

Are they still giving the hep-B vaccine to all newborns, with or without the parents' knowledge or permission? Newborns are particularly vulnerable to vaccine injury, their immune systems having no experience at all in the world. As the testimony at the congressional hearing in May 1999, thousands of babies had reacted to it with autism. Please post your source if they are no longer gambling with the lives of newborns by giving this vaccine to infants born to mothers who do not have hep-B, as I did not. Otherwise you would have to admit that they are rapaciously injuring millions of newborns at no risk at all of contracting hep-B.

Is there anyone out there who has gotten a vaccine recently, or knows anyone who has? Now that they're demanding that all school children in New York and California get a lot of vaccines for school, my understanding was that they no longer permit any medical contraindication. Even the boy in New York who had cerebral palsy, whose doctor certified that it would be dangerous for him to get the vaccines, it was still No shots, no school.

Concerned, I have a feeling that it is you who are out of touch with the current scene. They no longer admit ANY reason for refusing vaccines, not a past history of severe reactions personally or in the family. Current illness is no longer a reason. They're trying to go after the homeschoolers now, as well as all adults. I heard that a national bill will be introduced to make a complete vaccination record a condition for getting a passport. Regardless of your history of autoimmune disease, autism, encephalitic or anaphylactic reaction.

It seems as though you are just saying what you think will make your case with no supporting evidence.

Concerned

From my recent article 'The Echo-Chambers of Public Health:-

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/12/the-echo-chambers-of-public-health.html#more

When, last year, I queried the evidence base for general MMR safety the CMO cited only the review by Taylor (2014) which was restricted to the issue of autism, MMR and thimerosal – there were just six MMR studies, the first of which was published a full fourteen years after MMR was first introduced the British schedule (when the issue was already highly contentious) and which perhaps only closed the door after the horse had bolted. It does not answer the ethical problem of what evidence health officials had that the products were safe at the time of introduction. Indeed we know that the most favoured MMR product in 1988, SKB’s Pluserix, was already withdrawn in Canada at the time [25, 26].

While our health officials have succeeded in not finding a connection between the vaccine programme they promote and autism they also have no explanation for the rise of autism from 0.2% for those born 1984-8 and the 3.3% rate recorded in Northern Ireland schools earlier this year [27,28]: they have neither predicted it, nor can they explain it while every day the reports of chaos pile up [29]. The United States government in its Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, however, have acknowledged the connection between vaccines and autism on a number of occasions.

The HHS HRSA told journalists Sharyl Attkisson and David Kirby on separate occasions [30,31]:

"The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures."

And CDC director Julie Gerberding admitted to CNN following the Hannah Poling settlement [32]:

"Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism…"

An investigation into US vaccine injury court in 2011 found 83 cases of compensated vaccine injury in which autism is mentioned, but which because they are sealed cannot be used as precedents [33]. In an unsealed ruling relating to autism it is stated [34]:

“The Court found, supra, that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was not too remote, but was rather a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.”

[25] John Stone/CMO correspondence, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/536265/response/1323604/attach/2/Redacted%20correspondence%20CMO%20and%20John%20Stone%20003.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

[26] Canada Diseases Weekly Report, 15 December 1990, https://gsg.uottawa.ca/gov/Docs/CDWR%20RHMC%20Vol.16-50.pdf

[27] Metzler et al, 'The mental health of children and adolescents in Great Britain' National Statistics 1999, p.33 Table 4.1 'Prevalence of Mental Disorders', Pervasive development disorder is listed under 'less common disorders', http://www.dawba.com/abstracts/B-CAMHS99_original_survey_report.pdf

[28] Ian Waugh, The Prevalence of Autism (including Asperger Syndrome) in School Age Children in Northern Ireland 2019', Information Analysis Directorate May 2019, https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/asd-children-ni-2019.pdf

[29] Chaminda Jayanetti, ‘Special educational needs crisis deepens as councils bust their budgets…Observer investigation reveals 30% rise in overspending against backdrop of a failure to meet demand for services’, Observer 18 August 2019, https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/aug/18/special-educational-needs-councils-in-crisis-budget-overspends-rocket

[30] Sharyl Attkisson, ‘Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What's in a Name?’, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccines-autism-and-brain-damage-whats-in-a-name/ (Downloaded 28 August 2018)

[31] David Kirby ‘A new theory of autism causation’, Huffington Post 29 March 2009, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vaccine-court-autism-deba_b_169673

[32] House Call with Dr Sanjay Gupta, 29 March 2009, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/29/hcsg.01.html

[33] Mary Holland, Louis Conte, Robert Krakow and Lisa Colin, ‘Unanswered Questions: A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury’, Pace Environmental Law Review, vol. 28, no. 2, 2011, https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/vol28/iss2/6/

[34] http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf

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While I certainly believe in choice the recent pitiful spectacle of the WHO summit shows that the products have neither been adequately tested for safety or monitored, this is not to mention the political sleaze surrounding recommendation and mandates. I would question whether any of these present products are safety tested to an adequate level to be licensed.

The Kalkbrenner paper is limited in interest - I am not surprised you can detect mild associations with other toxic environmental factors but many were present in the past (or worse) and not sufficient to explain the dynamic rise over the last 30 years.

Concerned,

There are case studies, case reports, case-control studies, and Population-Based, Self-Controlled Case Series Analysis. What it comes down to is that there is plenty of evidence that vaccination can cause adverse reactions. Autoimmunity is one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16206512

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0027897

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536523/

Hi Cia,

If you read what I wrote, I didn't ever say this.

"Your bottom line seems to be that everyone should be forced to get all the vaccines so that the immunocompromised be protected from germs of VPDs.

Just asking for open minds to other possiblities. You can't get a vaccine nowadays anyway without signing that you are not sick or have a serious immune disorder. And I said to check with your doctor first. If you haven't had any vaccines in a while, you may not know that you are not even allowed to get them with certain issues. That is a good thing.

I posted that link on advice on vaccines. It tells you which ones are risky for people with autoimmine disorders. I thought it was helpful advice that I shared as it helped my family stay healthy.

John,

You have a platform to use for good. I have no problem with my friends opting out of vaccines, but have a problem with misinformation by ommission. This leads people who benefit from vaccines to be afraid and opt out when it could help them and others who have to opt out. Most parents do not have the time to go get the education needed and then go discover all the information themselves on the internet. If you really care about increasing rates, please look at all the factors. I posted that meta study twice. Please read it. It has a lot of good information that you are not talking about.

If I believd everything you said, my kids would still be having health problems similar to some of the ones you discuss here, not on their way to college and I would be sick like my mother was. I am not saying our case is conclusive for anyone else either. However, you are not explaining why before flu shots we were a mess, and after we are better. Last year we forgot until too late, and the first time in a decade we all got a horrible flu that set one of my children back so far, we are still trying to drag him back to normal. Maybe it wasn't the flu shot that helped us when we remembered them, but it sure didn't hurt us either. And you are not explaining why this works for many families like mine, especially those with autism and autoimmune disorders. Staying healthy is absolutely critical for my kids to progress. So this is one "cure" that needs to also be looked into for people that can handle it. I aggee that the flu mist can trigger flares, so good for you to advocate against giving that to all kids in GB. I am really glad you are doing that. That does sound really stupid if schools there are really doing that. Parent permission should alwasy be required.

Fully with you on some of what it sounds like you are doing, but please do not make conclusions about all vaccines for all people. More information is out there you are not looking at.

Teresa,

Are saying that case studies is all the proof you need?

I can see that i am mostly just upseting people, and I really didn't mean to do that. I had hoped to provide another perspective that may help you see why you might get pushback and how there are other paths that do in reality also help people with both autism and autoimmune disorders. I think we have the same goals, just interpreting some of the same information differently.

I don't mean this as rude, and I do need to be more careful to be polite especially given most people here are stuggling with really hard issues. I can relate how intense it all can get and it is awful for anyone to dismiss my worries too. So thank you for pointing out I was rude. I aggee, that is never helpful.

But if you are the science editor, how can you really think case studies are conclusive?
Please explain. I don't mean to be rude in asking this question, and maybe this is not what you mean.

Concerned,

I was diagnosed by MRI with MS, characteristic brain lesions which cause neurological symptoms, in my case dizziness, nausea, lack of balance, insomnia, and severe fatigue. I had another MRI six years later when I was hospitalized for an MS attack which paralyzed my left arm and leg for a month, it also found the brain lesions. They did it because the paralysis came on so fast and was so severe, flaccid paralysis, the flesh just hung from my bones when I was unable to move my arm or leg for so long. They said I was very young for it to be a stroke, but the symptoms were so stroke-like that they wanted to rule it out, which they did.

The MS was caused by an autoimmune reaction to the myelin sheaths protecting the ends of nerves in my brain and spinal column. That’s the proximate cause, the ultimate cause was vaccine mercury poisoning, and I’ve been working for seven years to detox the mercury.

But to the extent that anyone has an autoimmune disease, I have one. It may be that you are mistaken as to what causes flare-ups of an autoimmune disease, or it may be that they are highly individual.8

Barry,

You asked how I could tell the difference between a child born with immune deficiencies which cause him to react to vaccines and a child who reacts because the vaccine itself caused deficicencies. You have not understood what I said. First, I don’t think the propensity to react to vaccines is any kind of “ deficiency.” I think it’s the result of a strong and vigorous immune system and under normal circumstances, would be protective and often save your life. Vaccine circumstances are not normal and are out of the range of the immune system’s competence.

Your question is which came first, the chicken or the egg? It’s not conceived properly. Everyone has a different genetic profile, and all of them are the result of mutations over millions of years. Genes promoting aggressive reactions are good for survival in a tough environment, not so good in a civilized environment where cooperation is more productive. But reacting vehemently to the invasion of vaccine ingredients into the bloodstream, the turf which the immune system is designed to defend, would pre-vaccine usually have been a very good thing. It is not a defect, just maladaptive if vaccines are received. But it’s possible that go-along-to-get-along genes may have favored survival when vehement reactions often led to death rather than recovery, and the ability to tolerate an endemic chronic disease was more adaptive. Meaning in this case genes that tolerated vaccine invasions without an excessive inflammatory reaction.

I don't have time to respond to all go this but I am very sorry for upsetung you and didn't mean to be rude. I really was trying to explain a concept of why I feel it is so important to expand your scope of what you consider in fewer words.

Just please read more on triggers of autoimmune diseases and risks of autism from infections. If you widen your scope and learn more about what can trigger autoimmune disorders, you may better see my point of view. And it may help

Concerned. When I was young in the mid 20th century, there were no immune compromised children, (or none that I ever heard of), but, then, there were very few vaccines. It was the same when my children were young in the 1960s.

Until the 1980s good health was the 'norm'. In the 1990s my grandson reacted to MMR immediately, then regressed and is now 27 years old and requires 24/7 care. Another grandson regressed more slowly and will never live a fulfilled life.

Now in the 2020s there appear to be many immune compromised children but, then, there are very many more vaccines.

I simply do not understand your logic of promoting even more vaccines. They really do not appear to have improved the health of the latest generations, do they?

Concerned

Apart from the fact that you keep alluding to junk government data in a vague way in support of your position the fact is that the only real imperative is to mandate as many products as possible at the public’s expense. The agencies are owned by the industry - I make no apologies for recycling this clip from the February 2018 meeting of the ACIP, a vision of profound moral twittishness and irresponsibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHcaiActqY&w=420&h=237

It is very clear what I am against is a lobby and a culture which is so compromised you cannot trust them about anything. The farce with the NJ legislature is an excellent example. The only common sense here is that these people are trying to line their pockets - the public good doesn’t come into it. Meanwhile, the cost of vaccinating a single child has gone up by more than 100 times since the beginning of the millennium. Every time you prescribe a new product you monkey randomly with a child’s immune system with no science to support it.

Teresa,

Those studies are intersting, and the one on autism supports the meta data that infections have a significant correllation with autism but not vaccines. Always think of the bigger world picture, the relative quanties and widen the focus to think about all the possiblities. Like the flat earth idea was debunked when we had a wider view of the universe. What you don't know is more than you know.

You really can only use meta studies of studies to start to rule out issues and make any kind of conclusions.

What got my interest in your movement was this topic. Using a serious problem that is helped by vaccines to scare people about vaccines. Making general conclusions about people you don't know that I have seen with my own eyes are just not true. I am all in on working to keep everyone safe, but not all in on making fixed conclusions on limited information.

John,

In our area, this is not the case, and the exemptions allowed are wide enough to cover anyone who is at risk of an autoimmune trigger. Why not work to make the exemptions work for everyone? Just arguing against all vaccines and all rules puts children at risk. If you think you are at risk for an autoimmune disease, you want high vaccination rates, not lower ones. Same for autism based on all the meta studies, babies are more at risk from infection.

Concerned

If I had an immune compromised child I probably wouldn’t feel happy having them at school at all. It is absolutely ridiculous in the U.K. that we give out these nasal flu vaccines every year in schools despite warnings to stay away from the immunocompromised - the only consistency is screwing the public. As to measles you can catch it from vaccine strain and the vaccinated can catch it from the vaccinated.

No one answered this question: Why would you want to put any child with a serious autoimmune disease in a school with low vaccination rates?

There is no way to get around the fact that the actual diseases can trigger worse reactions than the vaccine (if you really have a serious autoimmune disease). If you think the immune system over-reacts to a vaccine, watch what happens with the actual flu.

Glossing over this point makes me think that maybe most on this site really do not understand autoimmune diseases, or maybe you don't have serious autoimmune problems. If you can take echinacea you probably don't have much of a problem with an over active immune system. Something is wrong here in the logic you all are using. In this site there are stories of bowel problems after catching a bug, and there is no way to prove that this was from a vaccine. This may explain why maybe those that are ok with vaccines see their kids grow out of the gut problems faster that do seem to be somewhat common with autism. Just from what I have seen, anyway. No one is explained here why I know so many people with autism that are just fine with vaccines. Or with autoimmune disease that are not harmed by vaccines and get fewer or less severe flu when taking the shot. I think it is important to look at every possible factor, and not lock down on only one theory. Otherwise you miss something that could help your own families. I am not saying you are wrong about your own experience, but I do feel you are rejecting too much information to be able to say for sure about anything. Not everything is marketing. That is just an excuse for rejecting information that doesn’t fit what you have already decided.

It was better when children with serious autoimmune conditions could go to school and be protected even if their doctor recommended against some vaccines and they had to opt out of them. At least they had less chances of getting infected.

This is the basic logic problem with using autoimmune disorders as a reason to argue against vaccines in general.

Sorry for my own typos. My kids need me now. But please listen to another viewpoint. You may be partially right but looking at some of this with some bias that was locked over a decade ago.

Yes, there is probably environmental and genetic factors working together. We could discuss that topic forever, and smarter minds than mine are on it. I think Cia is on the rigth path there, just not so sure that we can say for certain what environmental triggers are the cause yet. That much seems to be clear at least. But pollution has a far higher correlation to autism and autoimmune disorders than vaccines, and you may be missing a major risk factor by only focusing on vaccines.

Look at the meta study on this I posted. This starts to sort the whole topic out.

Concerned,

It would not be possible to make a safe vaccine. The concept of vaccination itself depends on provoking the immune system into reacting to a disease antigen with inflammation, which causes it to produce the desired antibodies. But you cannot control the results of the inflammation you provoke deliberately. Many people's immune systems react with more than the desired amount of inflammation and it often causes acute inflammation of the brain, vaccine encephalitis, which can range from short and relatively mild to severe and like a stroke, which can kill. Or the inflammation can be chronic and permanent. Autism is a permanent inflammation of the brain, which usually goes along with permanent inflammation of the digestive tract and bowel disease. All allergic and autoimmune diseases include chronic inflammation. But that's just what vaccines do, what they are meant to do, and if they didn't do it, they wouldn't work.

And confronting real disease is how the immune system learns how to function. It cannot learn how to protect you effectively if it doesn't learn through experience. And that's the greatest benefit of the childhood diseases like measles, mumps, chickenpox, rubella, even rotavirus, flu, or pertussis. Even meningitis: most people have had mild, subclinical cases of it by the age of five, and gotten permanent immunity to what they have had. And going through these diseases provides both specific and non-specific benefits. So the first question is whether you should be trying to eliminate these usually beneficial diseases. Lifetime cancer incidence drops by 20% for each childhood disease experienced naturally.

If we had yellow fever or Ebola running through our country, I'd say you might want to consider the vaccines for them. Still dangerous, but you just have to play the odds. But it must be left up to the judgment of each person, never mandated.

Concerned,
I just reread your comment. On what basis do you say that a flareup of an infection is usually worse than one caused by a vaccine? Reactions to vaccines often cause encephalitic brain damage, including autism, ADHD, seizure disorders, diabetes, MS, all autoimmune diseases, asthma, eczema, respiratory allergies, and food allergies and inflammatory bowel disease, reactions that not only usually cause life-changing and serious medical conditions which often require hospitalization, prescription drug treatment, or exclusion of most of life's valuable experiences, or death. And often is the word. Autism now in one in 36 children. Is that not often enough?

Here is something else to think about: I know this may sound insensitive, but I don't mean it that way. It is a real question. If you think your chidren really do have serious autoimmune disorders why would you want to send your child to a school with low vaccination rates? They will be at greater risk of infection which could put them in serious risk. This is why I think the "safe-vaccination" angle makes so much more sense to argue for, rather than lobby against any vaccine or any rules at all. Someone asked why not test kids early for problems before vaccinations. That sounds logical, and I think the problem is these problems are rare in children and don't show up in tests. I am not sure, but that is at least a more reasonable question to ask before making claims that all vaccinations are bad for everyone.

CIA:
When I was young; my professors asked the questions many times;

"What is more important the environment or genetics?".

Being a young student I did not fully understand.

When I became older and wiser, and more life experiences I can tell you it is always, always, always the environment.

Does it matter what your great grand parents ran into? Oh yes, it does.
I've worked with generations of mice at Dow environmental Labs, and once again, Oh, yeah it does.

Things that they say are genetic -- some where, some time; there has been an environmental insult that caused that genetic little problem to begin with.

What causes mutations in the first place if not also something in the environment.

CONCERNED? Are you still reading this? Are you still there?
You need to read "Age of Autism" the actual book by Dan Olmsted and Mark Blaxill. They focus on mercury and it's use. You will be shocked just how long they have been using mercury as a medicine. Way, way, way back from the time that syphilis became a problem. The time was Sigmund Freud, the time when something happened to the syphilis bacteria that it became a super bug.

Further recent theories and thoughts points to two types of a syphilis bug, one from the Americas and one from the Old World met and began among the French troops fighting in Spain.

Then there are the articles written right here about Polio; some of the best reporting and thoughts ever done. I mean "EVER" by Dan Olmsted. Thoughts on what else was happening when polio begin to emerged to be --- darn Polio. It use to be nothing but just common cold and stomach viruses, only to start causing epidemics of paralyzing and deadly illnesses. Dan Olmsted researched the use of arsenic used as a weed killer for sugar cane, and how the first outbreaks of Polio were in the poorer part of New York around the Sugar factories.

That was another question asked often by the professors to their students.

They would ask why did three common stomach viruses that never caused polio suddenly cause polio and death often? They theorized to their students that it had to do with young babies not crawling through as much filth and thus not being introduced to the virus at an early age when they "thought wrongly" that a baby's immune system could handle it.

That whole thing was just silly. The worse outbreaks came later during the use of DDT.

King George the Third; King during the time of the American Revolution went insane. Arsenic was used a great deal in medicine and even wall paper. In 2005 it was reported in the Lancet that hairs in King George's hair contained arsenic.

Then we have aluminum that is not going through the stomach, but being injected.
We studies out of France, Canada, Spain, and United Kingdom have you all read them? Read them.
Then come back here and tell me it is genetics too. Well it ain't.

I did not say there is no risk in vaccines, and I said nothing about mandates. But if you really have an autoimmune disorder there is a careful risk trade off on a few vaccines due to the fact that infection usually causes a bigger flare up than a vaccine. So, for your own sakes, please read up a little more on this issue from different angles. And check with your doctors on what vaccines are safe and what are not for you. The risk trade off starts to change as vac rates are lower, so we all need to think carefully about this. It is a serious topic. I provided a link earlier with some good information on this topic that is worth 5 minutes to read. There really is some information missing in your stories as I am sure I am missing information in mine as well. So many unanswered questions. Neither of our stories should be taken as the absolute final word. It is interesting the examples of bowel disease were triggered by a bug, and this is one of the reasons my kids get the flu shots. I think maybe we have seen the same things; we just have found different solutions. If there is another way to help, why not listen a little? Don’t have to do it, just consider all the alternatives first. Chelation therapy is risky, I wouldn’t try it on my kids. So, if you would consider going there, why not at least gather more information outside of your comfort zone? This is my motivation; I have seen how infection can trigger flare ups in autoimmune diseases. I am not sure you really understand what that looks like and how dangerous it can be. I don’t really believe that anyone with a serious autoimmune disease will breeze through measles, mumps, chicken pox or the flu, but somehow the shots are more dangerous than that. Think of the relative quantities. Something just doesn’t make sense, probably in my stories either, as I don’t think anyone really has all the information yet.

Anyway, this is just information that maybe will help you see why you may get some pushback when not providing the whole picture of the risk trade-off for everyone. And maybe it can help if anyone does have a serious autoimmune issue by encouraging you to at least read more about it and check with a doctor that specializes in it.

For the increasing rates, here is more food for thought. This is a wide-open issue, and open minds are needed right now. Pollution has not been ruled out and there is a significant correlation there for both autism and autoimmune diseases.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25199954
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30959217
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4108569/

Benedetta,

I don’t understand what you are saying. A genetic predisposition to react to vaccines is not just yes/no. If you have it you’ll have the maximum adverse reaction possible as soon as you get any vaccine. It’s much more complex, some people will reach their tipping point with one polio vaccine (probably the safest there is for most people, along with the day). Others can take five of the safer routine shots before they tip into Asperger’s. Or peanut allergy. Why does only one in fifty react to the Hib series with peanut allergy? Why not thirty or forty out of fifty? Or all? Why is it only one in a hundred thousand of those with peanut allergy who died of it? Why do some children who react to vaccines with autism never speak or become toilet- trained, while others, like those in the Thompson Center voc training video, look, speak, and act like typical kids? Why can some children get all the vaccines and remain perfectly healthy?

The answer in all cases is that it is a complex interaction between genes and environment. But we’re seeing many times more cases of autism now because many more children are getting the large number of vaccines recommended now, and more and more are being pushed past their genetically- set tipping point.

Concerned

“ Lots of other factors happening at the same time. Who knows what they used on farms back then that may have triggered problems in my great-grandmother. Or maybe nonstop work did it. Maybe genetics. We just don’t know enough yet to make firm conclusions. That was my point - to stay open minded.”

Only thing you seem sure of is that vaccines are safe and effective, when half of children have immune disorders and autism is heading beyond 3%. Nothing to see here folks!

Also, there are some things you are saying that do not make sense or could be explained by other factors. How do you know for sure the "fevers" were from a vaccine? A major trigger of an autoimmune reaction is a virus, like the flu.

And I remember from my mom that there is something dangerous about taking Xanex if you have an autoimmune disorder. I know my doctor gave me an endless list of medications never to take and I think that was on it.

I know life can be hard having health problems and caring for kids with disabilites. Sometimes I think the all the aternative medicine businesse are cashing in our our problems and giving information that isn't helpful at best and at worst harmful.

I looked up echenacia again and that can trigger a flare up. If you think you really do have any kind of autoimmune disease please read more about it. I am not an expert, but learned so much in caring for my mom and avoiding getting sick myself.

I also did look up nosades and they have been independently tested and do not increase immunity to any flu. This is just a waste of money at best and at worst may not have good quality control. Just like you don't trust pharma to do their own testing, don't trust the people who profit from these either. Doubt they put in all the projected viruses for each season, really unclear what is in there. They are just vaccines too weak do anything. 50% reduction in flu is better than 0% reduction. Over time 50% reduction in infection is major help.

Cia,

I am so sorry for everything you have gone through. I spent half my life taking care of my mother during emergencies that left her hospitalized for months. Lupus flares are really scary. Problems can hit every organ. Antibiotics not working. Lots of weird associated issues including constant blood clots. Strokes, heart attaches. I have tried to block it all out of my memory, but your posts dismissing the dangers of flu are bringing it all back to me. No, no, no, not just a couple days sick with the flu . Think ER for a week hooked up to tubes as organs fail. It is alarming that anyone on this site would think that, being so concerned about triggers of autoimmune diseases. Infection is how we lose more people with Lupus than anything else. A virus can trigger a flare and then there can be a spiraling downward. Long ER stays, tubes, all of it.

From what you are saying I am a little worried about people on this site that may have problems with autoimmune diseases that ignore modern medical advice. My heart goes out to you, but my mother got really heathy for a long period when there were advancements in treatment. I was not able to walk unaided for a while but test negative for Lupus now. I cannot stress enough about being so careful about all those untested treatments. It is so easy to trigger flares. You say you take echinacea. That could trigger things to get worse in anyone with an autoimmune issue. I know for Lupus, you definitely can do things or not do things to keep from getting sick. So much is known now, it doesn't have to be as dire today as it was for my mom.

Please, I hope for your sake, you do what you are asking me to do, and really read information outside your comfort zone. For yourself and your kids. My kids are really happy with me for not being afraid of vaccines. They know there are risks, and happy that we can step back and look at the whole picture. The fact is that their autism has improved since they have had the flu shots over the last 10 years, probably because they get sick less. I get sick less too. Less infections means more learning. I regret the years I was hesitant.

I thought you were saying it was worse to have autism. I am glad that is not what you meant, and I misunderstood you. Of course we value everyone equally and love each other for who we are. I am sure you agree with me and love your kids as much as I love mine. We are both just trying to do our best.

Peace.

Concerned,

You ought to read the book The Age of Autism. I read it about eight years ago for the first time and couldn't put it down until I had finished it. Absolutely fascinating. And it goes into MANY studies and suveys. On exactly how mercury in vaccines does the immense damage that it does in many. On how there was NO autism in African children before the WHO vaccine programs. Surveys were done on African children in mental institutions, and there were statistically a lot of them, but not a SINGLE one with symptoms of autism. Until vaccines, of course, now there are many. About how rates of mental disease in England were low before the industrial revolution and then they went through the roof. With detailed charts showing the increase over time.

Yes, I saw the charts showing how autism is higher near industrial areas. The one unvaxxed Amish boy with autism got it from a nearby electrical plant. But if you look at how autism is one in 36 vaxxed children and almost none in unvaxxed, you realize how dangerous the vaccines are. The MMR never had mercury, yet has always caused autism. Mercury is far from the only cause of autism. Many of us have the genetic predisposition to react to vaccines with too enthusiastic of a reaction from our immune system, so enthusiastic at meeting the threat that the necessary inflammation involves the brain, impedes circulation, and results in stroke-like damage to the language and social center of the brain, meaning autism. It may be that mercury and aluminum do their damage in a similar way, causing excessive inflammation. But any vaccine can do it in those of us so predisposed. I reacted to my first DPT at three months old with days of screaming. My brother did too. And it caused Asperger's in us. Later MS in me and POTS in him. My infant reacted to the hep-B vaccine, given after birth without my permission, with screaming syndrome for four days and nights. Vaccine encephalitis. She was saying two words by 18 months old, I foolishly permitted her to get the fourth DTaP vaccine, and it erased her words immediately and she was diagnosed with autism two months later. Ruined her life.

The answer has to lie in trying to inform everyone as completely as possible and then letting each individual or parent choose or refuse any vaccine. In many cases I think death would be better than this much suffering.

Concerned,
I forgot to mention that Gay Tate had her children tested for mercury: the oldest had very little, but the two younger who got the ton of vaccines with mercury and developed severe autism from it tested sky-high for mercury. She said she looked at the results with tears in her eyes. How could the government have been so careless as to triple the amount of mercury in vaccines and not add it up? It was many times over the presumed "safe" level.

Also, my arms being paralyzed the same day as a tetanus booster was brachial plexus neuropathy, KNOWN to result from the mercury in the tetanus shot, I read it was the interaction of new mercury with the old stored mercury.

Concerned,

If you were to read the book by Dr. Isaac Golden on vaccines and nosodes, you would see the results of studies which were done comparing outcomes of disease prevention by nosodes and by vaccines. The nosodes were as or more effective than vaccines at preventing the targeted diseases. The book The Solution also cites many studies on the efficacy of nosodes: in one for which I have posted the link before, and could do again if you were interested, a protocol (not strictly nosodes, but select remedies) resulted in a tiny portion of dengue cases in Brazil compared with surrounding, non-treated districts.

You didn't know what they were the other day. You should not dismiss them when you have not done any research on them at all. Nosodes are harmless. In the C or M potencies, the most common, they do not retain even a molecule of the original substance, but the energetic resonance remains and teaches the immune system how it should react.

As for whether or not it was worse what happened to your mother than what has happened to me and many members of my family from mercury poisoning and encephalitic vaccine reactions, it would have to be a judgment call. Is it worse to die of pneumonia or encephalitis? In a car accident or in a plane accident? From a reaction to the MMR or from measles? Statistically, your chance of horrendous suffering is greater from a vaccine reaction than from a VPD. My mother suffered for fifteen years from Alzheimer's caused by mercury and aluminum in the flu vaccine. Her suffering at being aware that she was losing her mind was incalculable, as was that of being paralyzed in her bed, unable to talk, walk, read, or watch TV for five years before a series of strokes killed her. Similar for my father. Being paralyzed in bed for years, and in a lot of pain at least for my father, was a level of suffering that I think is incomparable to suffering that only lasts days or weeks, not years. And I have been dizzy, nauseous, often without balance, sometimes completely unable to walk, completely unable to sleep without heavy sedation, with a very low level of energy, for over thirty years now, from the MS caused by my own mercury poisoning. I got a tetanus booster when I was 19 which paralyzed both arms for several days, was later diagnosed with MS (caused by mercury poisoning) by MRI, in one attack had my left arm and leg completely paralyzed (flaccid paralysis) for a month. And every night it's the same struggle to decide what to take to hope to make me sleep. Last night it was three tablets of OTC doxylamine succinate, ten capsules of different herbal remedies, Deep Sleep, Peaceful Slumbers, ashwagandha, etc., three large droppersful of melatonin, two large droppersful of hops, one of Deep Sleep, three sprays in the glass of Peaceful Sleep, and some kava kava. And it still didn't make me sleep. I remembered that I hadn't taken the four capsules of selenium that catch the circulating mercury, turned on the light and took that, still couldn't sleep. At one I took a quarter of a tablet of Xanax, an hour later was still awake. I took a whole tablet of Xanax then, which finally made me sleep until nine. Now I've been translating for hours, a very difficult legal translation that I've been working on for days, but have to finish and proof tomorrow and send back. What's worse, thirty years of a severely degraded life or two days of dying of flu at the hospital?

I slept great every night of my life until a fever moved me into a new stage of my vaccine reaction thirty years ago, and never since that time. Just as a fever moved my autistic by vaccine daughter into bowel disease for the first time, and a fever did the same to my nineteen year old Asperger's nephew. Never had bowel disease before, and then permanently.

Now one in 36 American children has autism. Among the completely unvaxxed it is much lower, and in those whose parents and grandparents were never vaxxed it is almost zero. One Amish boy who lived near an electricity plant which put mercury into the air got autism from it. It's really a matter of learning the facts and then making a decision. Yes, sure, it's infinitesimally possible for a healthy person to get and die of measles, chickenpox, flu, whatever. If you're absolutely terrified of lightning hitting him, go ahead and get the shots, bearing in mind that the odds favor his having a disabling reaction to them are well over 50-50. If you don't care that you may cause your child to get autism and be severely disabled for life, don't care that he may have life-threatening attacks of asthma for the rest of his life, as my nephew did, even with the best of medical treatment, don't care that he might suffer horrendously from the allergy, autoimmune disease, bowel disease, and might die from them (thousands die every year in the US from asthma attacks caused ultimately by the DTP/DTaP vaccine), if all you're worried about is preventing a death like your mother's (bearing in mind how EXTREMELY ineffective the flu and pertussis vaccines are), sure, go ahead and get the vaccines. All of them. If your child retains his mind and manages to grow up, he may never forgive you for it.

Concerned

The last time I wrote about this was in September:

Autism Mom

It is a long while since I did the maths for this - in 2005 I calculated that 1 DPT shot for a two month old infant was up to 66 times the EPA reference exposure by body weight (see my letter 19 April which was not disputed).

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/114/3/577.comments

As Mike Wagnitz also pointed out the amount of mercury in a vaccine using thimerosal as a preservative is 250 times the level for toxic waste. This is inexcusable. I agree with David Burd that although no level of mercury exposure is desirable the digestive system is more likely to be able to cope with exposure than if the substance is injected subcutaneously.

Also, if a batch of hg containing vaccines has to be disposed of instead of being injected into infants they suddenly become an environmental hazard!

Posted by: John Stone | September 09, 2019 at 12:51 AM

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Karen

This is a very serious matter - actually in the U.K. after 2004 the authorities have liked to assure us that there is no mercury in the vaccines, although they brought it back for the swine flu vaccine and it is possible it is still used in the sterilisation process of some flu vaccines. But while it is true that after 2004 the autism rate continued to rise what we have seen a lot less of is toddlers with tics: flapping, spinning and tip-toeing. We used to see it loads and I haven’t seen it for a decade.

When I was in touch with our licensing agency back in 2005 they tried to make the point that in the developing world the amount of mercury in vaccines was relatively small compared with some environmental exposure - which does not seem be any more encouraging than it being much more than the norm in the developed world. Notwithstanding, if you were asked to gulp down a glass of water with 50 times the EPA daily reference level you might hesitate, and even then your digestive system might be better geared to dealing with the assault than if it was injected into a muscle which has no mechanisms for filtrating toxicities at all.

Posted by: John Stone | September 09, 2019 at 10:42 AM

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/09/vaccine-iq-test.html

@Concerned, ALL

My previous comment should have included (for some who may not know) that flu shots taken from multidose vials have 25 micrograms ethylmercury per .50ml shot; and .25ml infant doses taken from the multidose vials (the vast majority of infants being. so injected) have 12.5ml ethylmercury per shot- repeated 3 times before 3 years old. Also, those adults getting a pre-filled flu shot (a small minority) will probable have 1 microgram ethylmercury but not required to disclose this per the FDA. Flu shot, anyone?

Concerned,
Before vaccines were very widely used mercury was used in many medicines in Victorian times and even earlier. It was added to many cosmetic applications, and also teething powders for babies. So it's not just as simple as vaccines alone, but that doesn't mean vaccines aren't a cause in most recent cases of autism.

Cia, Nosades still seem to be a very bad idea. This sounds to me like an unregulated watered down primative vaccine that doesn't work but you think works. We'll stick with flu shots in my family as we've been heathier since we've been getting them If any of you really have serious autoimmune disorders better read the link I posted.. Gives fuller picture of risk trade offs. I just have a hard time believing that flu is no big deal if you really do have a real immune issue, given what I've seen. Yes, know MMR is live. Why it's a bummer that lower rates may change risk trade off for many

Natalie,

I agree that they lump flu and pneumonia together. But it’s not common for pneumonia to appear out of nowhere as a separate disease. Usually it occurs in a body already weakened by another disease: flu, a cold, chickenpox, or pertussis. When it causes death in someone who has the flu, I think it’s appropriate to group them together. They talk about measles pneumonia, which is the most common cause of death from measles. Pneumonia occurs in about one in twenty cases of measles but is usually mild and self-limiting. In 1960, only one case of measles in 10,000 resulted in death. I think we should talk about flu pneumonia, chicken pox pneumonia, pertussis pneumonia ( which is, again, usually the cause of death when, very rarely, it occurs).

Concerned,

If you stick around this site, you’ll quickly see that over half of children now have been severely vaccine-injured, starting with allergic or autoimmune disease in over half, but with neurological disease caused by vaccines in about a third. There is
No VPD which would take anything like that number of lives even if no one vaxxed for anything.

It takes two things, genetic predisposition to vaccine reactions and the vaccines, to cause the reaction.

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How could you possibly say that with such certainty?

There is no way to tell the difference between a child who's vaccine injury, was somehow exacerbated by pre-existing immune system deficiencies.

And a child who born perfectly normal. But has immune system deficiencies NOW, that are 100 % the result of their vaccine injuries.

Concerned, How do you happen to know your family’s medical history prior to 1786? (small pox vaccine) Do you really believe the autism epidemic is caused by 1 in 59 pregnant women getting an infection? If so, why hasn't the CDC named the cause of the epidemic infection? Why isn't there an autism vaccine in the development pipeline? Please read the paperwork inside the box of your flu shot. Pay particular attention to the list of adverse reactions. Look at the number of awards under the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (flu vice all others). You were vague about what you have read - you don't have to wait for friends to give you this information. You can look it up yourself. Word to the wise - anything that has the word Foundation in it, is a tax dodge by wealthy people who crave tax exempt status - publishing propaganda pays for their spray tans and vacations. Take a look at how much the Foundation link you provided spends on salaries and grants for research. ($4 million compensation for officers and employees and less than $600K a year on grants for research). You want to trust their “believe us” statements on a cheesy website? What a minute … are you one of those profiteers promoting your website?
http://www.foundationsearch.com/990/LATEST/4/LUPUS%20FOUNDATION%20OF%20AMERICA%20INC%202017%20431131436.PDF

Concerned,

It takes two things, genetic predisposition to vaccine reactions and the vaccines, to cause the reaction. Without the vaccines, there is no reaction. Look at Mark and Dan's book Denial for proof that there was no autism before vaccines. But that's why not everyone is autistic. Nearly everyone has gotten many vaccines, but not everyone reacts with autism. Reacting with allergic or autoimmune disease is more common, but still takes a susceptible genetic profile.

Natalie,

Many people die of the flu, although many more die of flu pneumonia. But they wouldn't have gotten pneumonia if they did not have the flu. It's not fair to deny the risk for many people involved in getting the flu. I agree that vitamin D is a good treatment and will prevent many severe outcomes, also C, homeopathic nosodes and remedies, Sambucol, echinacea, etc. A friend of a friend died of the H3N2 flu two years ago. That being said, the flu vaccine is rarely very effective, and its dangers are substantial. I'd always refuse the vaccine and take appropriate measures if I had a severe case of flu. But even dying of flu is better than being disabled by the vaccine.

To Concerned,

No one dies from flu and serious side effects are rare, even CDC actual data supports it. Meanwhile, even the lamestream media admits the flu shots are often ineffective. At the same time, it's the most compensated vaccine by the vaccine court (and those folks are pretty stingy with the "awards"). So basically you're asking already sick people to have dangerous and ineffective injections against something that they might not even catch and will most likely be mild.

Besides, high dose vitamin D (and C) is much more effective (and safe) for the flu prevention (as well as other infections).

Infant immune systems flux a lot in the 1st few years of life this is why the IMM schedule is redundant.The same is notable about their response to allergens and antigens. Something they are not sensitive to now is no guarantee that they not be sensitive to it their whole life. There are other factors to be considered as well such as health at the time of the IMM. People who are sick or immune compromised should not be administered. One of the reasons I don’t think pharmacies should be in the business of administration of the Flu and Pneumonia vaccines. They do not know the people only that they want the vaccines. As far as vaccines causing a lasting disease or condition I would consider the fact that if they do they are few and far between. Measles can kill and polio can cripple these things we know. It should certainly be a parents choice but don’t say you weren’t told or warned about what could happen?

"thrombocytopenia" Thrombocytopenic Purpura, and I actually know people that have this, lots and lots of people!
I know what it is. I know how they suffer.

I see vaccine injuries every where; and the people don't even know they have a vaccine injury!

I feel that the "I am Sparticus" moment of this all, is all of us just standing up and saying, "I am anti-vaccine"!!!! I'll pause for the politically correct response, meanwhile, my kids need to go to school, so eff off!

Frederick,

My father would much rather have died quickly of complications of the flu than fight as hard as he could against the paralysis caused by the flu vaccine for three and a half years. He clung to the end to the belief that he could and would recover, but it did no good. He thought doctors could help him, and underwent painful back surgery which they said might stave off a certain measure of his disability and he suffered horribly from it, but it did no good at all.

Obviously I’ve never gotten the flu vaccine nor ever will. My mother was one of the many who thought it was emotionally rewarding (I can’t think of a better way to put it), to go the mall every fall and get their mercury- containing flu shot, and my father liked doing things with her and doing what she advised. So they started doing it around 1980. She got Alzheimer’s from the mercury in the late ‘90s and lived with it for fifteen years.

I was going to mention vitamins, herbs, and homeopathy to treat the flu, but remembering how good my parents were and how they suffered the tortures of hell as the result of their vaccine reactions, all I can say is that dying of flu pneumonia would have been a million times better. Like all Alzheimer’s patients, my mother first lost her memory, then became paralyzed and unable to speak. She lay in bed in a nursing home unable to move, speak, watch TV or read, for five years before she died in April, 2013.

My brother also got yearly flu vaccines. About fifteen years ago he got very low blood pressure and fainted a number of times while he was at work or jogging. His doctors had no idea what was wrong. They thought in both my brother’s and my mother’s cases that they might have MS, and did MRIs to test for it. Negative on the characteristic brain lesions. I realized about a year ago that my brother had POTS, another autoimmune disease caused by vaccines, especially by the mercury in the flu shots they all got every year.

This is interesting. I have mentioned many times that my father was paralyzed by a flu vaccine. He was also diagnosed with hemolytic anemia, which I googled several years ago but couldn't find much that seemed to help me understand what happened to him. I've also said that he was very yellow, jaundiced, and I've said here that I thought it was a recurrence of the malaria he had had in Louisiana at twelve years old. I read in this article that jaundice was a symptom of hemolytic anemia, so it now seems likely that that is what caused him to become so weak and yellow. He was the best man in the world, kind, and always hard at work on something. He was friends with everyone, and was always looking for ways to help out his friends and family members. Another victim of vaccines. He suffered so much the last three years of his life as a result of his condition.

"Many children with autism, PANS/PANDAS or both, have immune issues." And.......Many more children develope clinical or sub-clinical immune issues as a result of the immune assault from vaccinations.

Even if the flu shot had anything to do with it, which isn't known, he had very mild anemia at baseline which only slightly worsened transiently and required no treatment. Better than dying from Influenza with a secondary bacterial pneumonia, which is a whole lot more likely in a renal transplant patient.

Teresa justifiably asks common sense questions:

'Why is it babies and children are not being tested for immune issues before vaccination? Can certain vaccines trigger autoimmune diseases? How can this topic of conversation lead to helping children and adults rather than the whole “anti-vaccination” witch hunt?"

The obvious answer it serves THEIR best interests THEIR being vaccine manufacturers, public health bureaucrats, medical professionals .. and other similarly INVESTED in vaccine COMPLIANCE … not to know if children have "immune issues" before vaccination.

Better to claim … WE DIDN'T KNOW …. rather than … WE KNEW BUT EXPOSED CHILDREN TO THE RISKS ….