Anatomy of a Case of Measles Propaganda : Dr. Mark Goedecker Lies to the Public
by Ginger Taylor, MS
We have been through this countless times. A vaccine targeted illness case or cases arise, the vaccine industry machine uses it to blame vaccine rejectionism for the return of diseases they claim were "wiped out", and we all sit on the sidelines complaining loudly because we know what is being professed is less than factual - but we can't prove it.
Privacy designed to protect patients, protects the medical establishment from having to tell the truth about what is really happening.
Dr. Mark Goedecker, the Regional Medical Director of WellSpan Stony Brook Health Center in York, Pennsylvania did just such a hit job this week, as he announced that there was a confirmed measles case at York Hospital.
Dr. Goedecker reported that:
“All of what we’re seeing right now with the measles outbreak across the country, these could’ve been prevented if we vaccinated."
The internet took his words to heart, as it always does, excoriating the unnamed family for not vaccinating, after making the reasonable assumption that would naturally follow from Dr. Goedecker's statement. That the patient was a child whose parents chose not to vaccinate him.
Except that the patient was not an unvaccinated child, but a vaccinated adult. The case arose not because of a failure to vaccinate, but because of vaccine failure.
And that case of vaccine failure was not disclosed to the public, so that the public could understand that Merck's MMR II is not living up to its efficacy claims, it was kept private and used as a tool to sell the vaccine, claiming if the patient had gotten the shot, they would not have measles.
While the kind of dishonesty from the medical establishment on vaccines is every day fare, it is not every day that it is publicly exposed by the patent.
But that is what Mr. And Mrs. Kirby did this week.
Sean Kirby took to facebook to tell the public that Dr. Goedecker had lied about his wife Allison's measles case.
"This past weekend a press release was made about a measles case in York. I read comments that people were making. They were hurtful and very presumptive. That patient was my wife. She was fully vaccinated and healthy. Everyone assumed it was a child of an antivaxxer and started calling the person irresponsible, they should be charged with assault, they should move to a desert island and die. These were all comments my wife read about herself. ...she was upset and crying about the comments people were making about her. These are people who had no idea about what was going on. These are people who did not care about the patient, only their own agenda. These are people who only wanted to make themselves feel better about themselves at the expense of another persons well being. I guess I should expect that from internet trolls. But what really got to me was a Dr. Mark Goedecker spreading false information. He is quoted as saying "the spread is due to a lack of vaccinations. " This was a doctor at the hospital where we were "treated". He never spoke to or visited my wife. I met a lot of doctors while were there and never was his name mentioned. In fact, when my wife was discharged she walked right past him while doing his press conference about the measles."
Mr. Kirby goes on to give a detailed account of the course of his wife's case and her treatment, which ends with him revealing that although he was vaccinated, his titers were tested and he does not have the requisite response to assume that he is immune to measles.
He is now under quarantine for 21 days.
He too was vaccinated, and may yet be vulnerable to a measles infection.
Again... this was Dr. Goedecker's patently false statement, “All of what we’re seeing right now with the measles outbreak across the country, these could’ve been prevented if we vaccinated." [emphasis added]
Goedecker and WellSpan knew full well that he was dealing with at least one case of measles that was not prevented by vaccination, and possibly two.
The public continues to be shamed for not believing physicians on their vaccine safety and efficacy claims, while those same individuals watch doctors lie to the camera about vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccine failure cases continue to be used to promote vaccine uptake. Thus public trust continues to fail.
Requests for comment have been submitted to Dr. Goedecker and WellSpan.
Sean Kirby's full account:
Sean Kirby
"This post I have been struggling with whether I should post it or not. It is very personal, but in the end I believe can help people. It is not meant to be political or have a bias. It is just my own experience. So here we go:This past weekend a press release was made about a measles case in York. I read comments that people were making. They were hurtful and very presumptive. That patient was my wife. She was fully vaccinated and healthy. Everyone assumed it was a child of an antivaxxer and started calling the person irresponsible, they should be charged with assault, they should move to a desert island and die. These were all comments my wife read about herself. I left the hospital to take food home to my kids before the press release was released. And on the way back my wife text me about the comments. When I got back to the hospital she was upset and crying about the comments people were making about her. These are people who had no idea about what was going on. These are people who did not care about the patient, only their own agenda. These are people who only wanted to make themselves feel better about themselves at the expense of another persons well being. I guess I should expect that from internet trolls. But what really got to me was a Dr. Mark Goedecker spreading false information. He is quoted as saying "the spread is due to a lack of vaccinations. " This was a doctor at the hospital where we were "treated". He never spoke to or visited my wife. I met a lot of doctors while were there and never was his name mentioned. In fact, when my wife was discharged she walked right past him while doing his press conference about the measles. So here is the reason for me writing this. So that if someone else gets measles they can be "treated" better than we were. By both the medical community, hospital staffs and people in general.
Here are the facts and what happened to us.
My wife had a fever on Friday, we thought it was just a cold. But over the weekend the fever persisted. On Monday she went to the doctor office to get checked. At this time she still had the fever, she started to show signs of a rash and she also had a pain in her side. They told her the rash was a heat rash due to her persistent fever. Because of the pain in her side the doctor sent her to York Hospital to get blood work and a CT Scan, thinking it may be appendicitis. The CT Scan was normal but blood work came back a little off. We then went to the emergency room because of her blood work. We were there for a long time. They drew more blood to verify the tests. These tests came back the same if not a little worse. However, they said since all the other tests came back fine she should just go home. So we did.Tuesday she still had the fever, but we were told nothing was wrong. By Tuesday the rash was a little worse. And she was very tired.
Wednesday we went back to the doctor, fever was still there. We were told maybe it is EBV(Epstein Barr Virus). They prescribed a steroid and ordered more blood work. They also said she should go to the hospital if she cannot drink 70oz-80oz of fluid. Because of the experience prior we wanted to avoid going back to the hospital and made sure to drink enough fluids.
Thursday, after taking 1 dose of the steroids the day before, the rash was way worse. Fever still there, we went back to the doctor again, this time a different doctor saw us. This time we were armed with an article that a dance mom had found totally be chance, she didn't even know Allison was sick. The article was about a measles case in Arizona where we just had been. The doctor looked at Allison again and said it could be the measles, but not sure. Sent us for more blood work then asked us to go to the hospital. She told us she called over and they would have a room ready for us.
When we got to the hospital the people checking us into the Emergency Department said they did not know we were coming. But got us into a room pretty quickly after I told them it could be measles. They put us in a "room", but were told this might not be the best kind of room for us. So they then moved us to a negative air flow room in the Emergency Department. Guess what they did there.....more blood work, please keep in mind each time she got more blood work they had to stick her again. Her arms were both black and blue at this point. A medical team came in and visited her, this would become her medical team later. They asked a million questions, which is fine. They took pictures of her rash on their iphones and then left. Another doctor came in asking if she could see the rash, saying she has never seen a rash like this before. At this point they did not seem to know the proper protocol. They were not sure how it was spread, air born or by contact. What we were or were not allowed to do. Or where we should or should not go. They put her on Doxycycline, an antibiotic to treat for tick born diseases and then we spoke tot he infectious disease control doctor/consultant. He did nothing to put our mind at ease. At this point I felt like I was on an episode of house. Allison was resting so I went home to check on the kids real quick and make sure they were fed. Also this whole time my sister-in-law was texting me and always seemed to be a step or 2 in front of the doctors. She would ask me questions then a little while later the doctor would ask the same question. When I got back to the hospital they put her in an isolation room. So I would only see her through a window. So Thursday was a busy day.Friday I got back to the hospital along with a friend of Allison, who was also there on Thursday. They ran more blood tests and kept her on IV fluids. We were not allowed to see here except through the window. We met with her medical team a couple more times, each time they were trying to eliminate something else. Somehow they did the wrong swab test twice, but correctly the 3rd time. I was told I should hear back about whether it is measles or not by 4pm, I didn't. But at 10:30pm they finally told us the case was confirmed to be measles. So Friday was all about keeping her hydrated and getting a confirmation. Friday her sister also arrived. She was instrumental in getting Allison a few things the doctor over looked. I can't pronounce them so I won't even try. We were told the Infectious Disease Control team would be in to talk to us Saturday morning around 8:00am.
Saturday morning came and went. Never hearing from anyone about what was going on. I was getting frustrated at this point about the total lack of communication. I called a friend who called someone else and in 20 minutes we were talking to a room full of doctors and administrators. I felt this was a very positive moment in the case. I just wish it didn't take so long. They kept her hydrated and we set out a timeline to figure out her contagious period and where she was. I was also asked to get tested to make sure I was immune since I had been in contact with her. She was starting to look better and be awake for more than 10 minutes at a time. In fact I think she was bored of sleeping. However, 1 shower and she was exhausted. Still a long road to recovery.
Sunday when I got to the hospital she was happy and smiling. They were sending her home. Only issue was I had thrown away all of our bed linens and had not had a chance to buy new ones. Oops. So her friend stayed with her while I went shopping for linens. So she got home on Sunday. On the way out of the hospital one of the directors of the hospital stopped and asked if I had my results back. I told him no. He said they would open the labs today(Sunday) to specifically run my labs. I said ok. Sunday she arrived home thanks to her friend for bringing her home and stalling till I got the linens purchased and bed made. We were making arrangements for her parents to come out for the week to help her while I was at work. That was until I got a call from the lab. My results came back negative for my immunity. Meaning that I am also not immune to measles and was in close contact with someone who had them(twice my wife and AZ). So now I am quarantined to the house for 21 days. Fun Fun Fun. So call her parents back to tell them they are not allowed to come to the house.
Monday the PA Department of Health sent someone to my house to have me sign a quarantine paper. I guess they are serious, seeing how Monday was a holiday and all.
So that is our experience. This was not meant to bash the hospital or doctors. I am hoping people use our not so good experience as a learning tool to how to better spot and treat people with measles. Better communication is the key, a lot of the time we were left in the dark or given conflicting information from different doctors. Also next time you hear something find out the facts before calling people names, or maybe just treat people like humans. Not everything in the world happens to help you push your agenda. Also if you were vaccinated between 1970 and 1989 you may want to get you vaccinations checked. The CDC says the vaccine is effective in 93% of people with one shot and 97% effective in people with 2 shots. So you tell me the odds of 2 people both vaccinated living in the same house, but neither of our vaccines are effective. Either their math is off or I am going to go play the lottery. Again I am not against vaccinations, I am all for them, I am just not sure they are as effective as their numbers state. Sorry for the long post!"
Hera,
I had measles at six and had a high fever. My mother took me to the doctor, who said it was the worst case he had ever seen, but I wasn't hospitalized and I don't know what he meant by that. I vaguely remember my parents carrying me down the hall in the middle of the night to put me into a cool bath to lower the fever. I didn't watch any television. But I recovered just fine and my immune system was not depressed for years: I went right back to being very healthy.
I'd like to know the figures. I was thinking that if around ten percent don't get immunity from the vaccine, then it's likely that some of them get measles. I don't know how common inapparent measles would be. Maybe the vaccine damages them and produces some kind of atypical measles. I don't know how many would die if measles just came back forthrightly. I'm going to say that I would let parents decide for themselves whether or not to get the vaccine. I personally wouldn't, as I just can't imagine measles being that bad for a well-nourished, healthy child. I'd give the nosode if the child was immunocompromised.
Posted by: Cia | September 11, 2019 at 07:32 PM
Hi Cia,
The doctors above did diagnose both heat rash and epstein barr, and seemed happy with their diagnosis.
That description you gave though, doesn't describe the measles I had at all. Admittedly a long while ago, but neither I nor the several other kids who caught measles around the same time had high fevers at all, to the best of my admittedly long ago recollection.. Mild fever possibly, a rash definitely yes.Well able to still watch tv etc, and being a bit bored.The rash was very itchy. If doctors are now expecting fevers of 105 as part of the symptoms, maybe it explains why they aren't able to diagnose it, as in the above situation. Or maybe those high fevers only rarely occur in adults or perhaps in malnourished children with vitamin a deficiency?
A friend had an unvaccinated child exposed to chickenpox in the U.S. on the school bus. She got exactly one spot. The school nurse was going to suspend her from school til the infection was over, because the nurse said there was no way the child had had chickenpox with just one spot. My friend insisted on titres, and low and behold, the child had immunity to chickenpox. That one spot was it.
My doctor who is older, and also has had most of the normal childhood diseases, said his mother actually sent him to school when he had the mumps so he would not miss anything.
I may be wrong, just my opinion, but I could imagine a time when the flu is described in terms such as killing many people, and causing deadly pneumonia, hospitalization and death, when of course the reality is that despite these things indeed (rarely) happening, most of us are not deathly scared of catching the flu.
Re birth defects; I wonder how many children born disabled we could save if we stopped vaccinating with anthrax. I wonder how different my sons life would have been if someone had the courage to talk about the birth defects the vaccines were causing,instead of imo, pretending it was for some greater good, to let children be born disabled while making sure no one talked about it.
Posted by: Hera | September 11, 2019 at 02:01 PM
Hera,
We agree that issues with disease and vaccines are never cut and dried. It's always going to be a pendulum: at this time, not many children or adults get serious cases of contagious diseases in developed countries, but that will not always be the case. Vaccines are a possible preventive, but nosodes are cheaper and safer, while still effective, I just don't know how long the protection would last. I read Pandemic by Sonia Shah and was really shocked at the many new contagious diseases that are killing many around the world. And we agree that there must be free and informed consent to any vaccine given. There should be laws mandating that tests be run to look for the genetic profiles we're currently aware of which indicate increased risk from a vaccine. But that's only for those who would like to have the vaccine: those who don't should be able to refuse it, no questions asked.
It's hard for me to imagine that a doctor would diagnose measles as a heat rash. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it's hard for me to see it. The fever comes first, and in two episodes: a low to moderate fever at the beginning, before measles is suspected, then a lull, then a fever which is high, often 104 or 105 F, and it lasts for exactly two and a half to three days, unless there is a complication. And then it ends: it's self-limiting. The rash appears near the end of this period, and it is the rash which triggers the end of the fever. Homeopathic bryonia can be given if the rash is slow to appear.
While heat stroke might cause a high fever, I don't think it would cause the all-over, blotchy rash that measles causes. A heat rash wouldn't do that. My brother had Epstein-Barr virus his first year of dental school: it debilitated him to such a degree that he had to take the rest of the year off. It caused a low fever for a long time, but not the high one typical of measles. I don't think it caused a rash, if it did, it was not severe and obvious.
There are a lot of areas in which they could do testing and research, and it would be interesting to know how many people have had measles and weren't aware of it. Even back in 1960, it was 92% of kids who got clinical measles, but blood tests on army recruits showed that 99% of young Americans had had measles by the age of 18. So a small percentage (many numerically) have always gotten cases of measles mild enough to go undiagnosed. I wish they would look into this more to find out the truth. And also, of course, how many of those had received the measles vaccine.
Posted by: Cia | September 11, 2019 at 12:31 PM
“All of what we’re seeing right now with the measles outbreak across the country, these could’ve been prevented if we vaccinated." ...Except in this case the measles case was not in a child but in a fully vaccinated adult. It is not a case of failure to vaccinate... but yet another case of vaccine failure. Her husband has now been quarantined for 21 days, despite being fully vaccinated himself because his titers were tested and he does not have the requisite response to assume that he is immune to measles. So despite also being fully vaccinated he is now vulnerable to measles as an adult. ...yet another case of vaccine failure, which is occurring often among the vaccinated.
We have entered a vaccine era of now vulnerable older adults and infants due to the vaccine not giving lifetime immunity, populations that were protected when measles circulated naturally. The spread of measles outbreaks also cannot be laid at the feet of those who opt out of vaccination due to primary and secondary failure as well as mutations of all currently circulating measles genotypes B3, D4, D8, and H1 and other factors. Further, detection and confirmation of measles vaccine virus (MeVV) RNA from the respiratory tract of 11 children has been shown between 100 and 800 days after most recent receipt of measles-containing vaccine and has been shown capable to transmit to others. Measles vaccine strain which is no longer circulating naturally has been identified in outbreaks. The vaccine is contaminated with glyphosate from the gelatin, and there are no studies showing injecting glyphosate to be safe. This is among some of the research I have collected on measles and the MMR here https://tgl.ink/60Bpty
Posted by: David L | September 09, 2019 at 11:03 PM
Hi Cia,
Given that the doctors are apparently happy diagnosing measles as heat rash or Epstein Barr virus, I don't see why any patient would question that. People know they have a rash and a fever, know they went to the doctor and got a diagnosis of epstein barr, and in time,know they got better. Why would they assume the doctor got it wrong?
Even the kolpic spots Grace Green mention,s which would require looking inside the mouth specifically for them, per Wikipedia generally come before the rash ( so probably before the doctor visit) and often fade out when the rash is present, ( so may well be gone at the time of the doctor visit). And that is if the doctors know to look for them at all anyway, which from the case history above , seems apparently to be unlikely.
Yes, a single measles infection is generally considered to give lifelong immunity. I had measles as a child, and titres taken 20 or more years later showed I was still protected. That is why most people born before 1957 are considered to have life long immunity.
Here is a little gem from the CDC in a discussion about measles.
https://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_mmr.asp
CDC does not recommend measles antibody testing after MMR vaccination to verify the patient’s immune response to vaccination.
Now why is that? They want titres to prove immunity from natural infection, but somehow don't want anyone to test for titres to prove vaccine immunity? That seems highly strange. It becomes tempting to wonder if it is because they know bloody well that it doesn't actually work for many people? if you want to protect people from catching and spreading measles, ( which is far more important than educating children, we are told) then surely you should let people know their status?( and offer them a third shot , if they want that, since the vaccine is according to the CDC almost completely safe...)
My son was born with serious birth defects following my husbands several anthrax vaccines and bad reaction to them, and it is my opinion that generally that the CDC etc doesn't care at all about babies with birth defects unless they can link it to rubella. Cynical maybe, but do you think anyone in power was doing anything but pretending that the rash of military miscarriages and birth defect babies that coincided with the anthrax vaccinations, never happened?
We are now giving folic acid,MMR vaccines, prenatal vitamins, maternity care, ultrasounds to identify birth defects in the womb ( babies with which sadly some people choose to abort) yet as far as I can tell, ( hard to find numbers) we have at least as many babies born with birth defects as in the bad old days with rubella infections. If you can find different numbers for overall birth defect rates, please let me know.
I realize situations with vaccines versus disease choices are never cut and dried, but I believe in medical freedom of choice, and the right to true informed consent, which includes accurate information about the vaccines, including actual side effects, risk factors, and also how effective the vaccine actually is.
Posted by: Hera | September 09, 2019 at 05:58 PM
Hera,
I agree that the MMR should be taken off the market. I would be interested in knowing how often each disease is still occurring: mumps, a lot. As far as I know, we're not seeing the thousands of cases of congenital rubella syndrome of 1964-5 which motivated the rubella vaccine (and that was horrifying, if it came back, we'd have to have a strategy to prevent it, maybe the nosode or the individual vaccine. Or, even better, offer girls in elementary school the chance to be given natural rubella disease, to get it over with before adolescence). I have also thought that it's unlikely that the MMR give lifetime protection against measles, but if it doesn't, as far as a I know we're not seeing the number of adults severely ill and sometimes dying of measles at some point that I would have expected.
It would be interesting if they did blood tests on thousands of people who never got the MMR. My daughter hasn't. She had a high fever and a slight rash twice the summer she was one, once in May and once in August. I think once it was probably rubeola, which I don't know if one episode gives permanent immunity. She had a rash with chickenpox when she was nearly two, but that looks very different from the blotchy rash of measles, which she has not had. Dr. Yazbak said several years ago that as a teen, I should have her tested to see if she had had measles, and if she hadn't, to get the MMR. It surprised me that he even thought it was possible that she have had measles and I didn't realize it.
As for both partners having gotten measles, no, it would be less likely that they share the same predisposing genes, but not impossible. Half the population has the MTHFR gene. On the other hand, half the population doesn't appear to have had measles or the other VPDs. And there are many genes which have been identified as contributing.
At this time, I think the MMR usually works for some time, but no, not always in everyone. But all three diseases are mild and extremely beneficial in childhood. And no, most doctors have never knowingly seen measles. I saw a neurologist during my second severe attack of MS, I had an eye patch over one eye (double vision), and the doctor asked a med student what he thought I had. He said Bell's palsy. When Cecily had chickenpox, I took her to the doctor just to have it on the record before she felt sick. Two medical students were invited to give their diagnosis, and both gave wild guesses, neither of them saying chicken pox, to the doctor's disgust. They don't know. They must get marked down if they don't come up with something obscure.
But the high fever, rash after a few days, cough, conjunctivitis, etc., of measles would probably be striking enough that even private individuals would figure it out. Do you think there are several kinds of measles? Those diagnosed during outbreaks, like the children here twenty years ago, had symptoms that looked like the old measles. Would there be a difference in the kind of antibodies which were produced?
Posted by: Cia | September 09, 2019 at 12:04 PM
When my son had the measles in 1983 our book of childhood diseases stated that the presence of Koplic spots (white spots inside the cheek) was the distinguishing feature for measles. Sure enough my son had them, and the doctor thought up all sorts of weird and wonderful diagnoses until we pointed them out, after which he agreed it was measles. Not difficult, just forgotten medical skills.
Posted by: Grace Green | September 09, 2019 at 06:59 AM
Cia, by the way, you might find it interesting to google images of "heat rash", then images of "viral rash", images of "epstein barr rash", and images of "measles rash". There is a huge amount of cross over between the four supposedly "different" rashes.
Posted by: Hera | September 08, 2019 at 09:08 PM
Hi Cia,
The two people however are a married couple, not genetically related. Therefore, we are back to the extremely unlikely chance that this could occur if the CDC figures you quote are correct.
3% chance of failure times another 3% chance of failure results in 0.09 % chance of both people having no immunity; less than 1/10 of a percent.
If, of course, the CDC figures are correct, which does as Sean Kirby points out, seem extremely unlikely.
How long does the MMR vaccine give immunity? I don't know, but given the above,and Dr Wakefields article, quoted by Carol, imo it seems unlikely that two shots in childhood last into adulthood for most people. In fact Dr Wakefiled seems to indicate that repeated MMR vaccines can't give long term immunity.
As it stands though, 20, 30, 40 , or even 50 years seems an awful long time to claim for MMR vaccine induced immunity for a shot given only in childhood, particularly as we know the tetanus vaccine , for example, barely lasts for ten years.
The measles rash in an adult looked identical to a heat rash caused by a fever, ( according to their doctor) and it wasn't able to be identified by hospital staff either, without a whole lot of photos, consults, etc. It seems the theory that the measles rash is easily distinguished from other rashes by medical personnel is wrong.
So we have a fever and rash that looks like every other fever and rash, and in fact was considered medically identical to an epstein barr fever and rash by their doctor.
This means there is no way the CDC can produce accurate figures.
It also means that even positive titres in adulthood don't prove the MMR vaccine still works; all they prove is that either the MMR vaccine still works or that the adult had been exposed to measles themselves.
Posted by: Hera | September 08, 2019 at 08:56 PM
Laura and Hera,
I would say that two vaccine failures in the same home may very well indicate a genetic difference shared by those two people in the way they respond to the MMR. Dorit said several years ago that she found it unbelievable that I have MS, my daughter autism and bowel disease, my father was paralyzed, my mother got Alzheimer's, my brother Asperger's (and POTS), his son Asperger's, all from vaccine reactions. I think it would have to be considered obvious that we all have the same genes which predispose us to vaccine reactions.
I accept that there are measles cases occurring every year in the US now, most of them in the vaccinated. If it doesn't have the usual rash, OK, maybe it's still measles. I don't know, though it seems unlikely. I don't know if it would be the dangerous "atypical" kind that got the first killed-virus measles vaccine withdrawn in the '60s. But if the vaccine did not work at all ever for anyone, or even for most people, then why do most people now not have natural immunity to measles? Why are very few getting the high fever, cough, inflamed eyes, and rash that all children used to get before the vaccine? Why are there still so many who get natural measles in these outbreaks if most of them got natural immunity to measles at some point in unrecognized measles infections?
I don't know if it's 93 or 97% who get immunity to measles from the MMR. Does it matter? It's still the case that the vast majority of those who get the vaccine never get natural measles. And I don't think that's a good thing, I spent all of my daughter's childhood wishing that she would get natural measles (and mumps, not at the same time). But she didn't. Why not? 99% of children when I was a young child got natural measles, but I have not heard of a single child in our city getting a single case. A nurse at a pediatrician's office when she was very small said that there had been a visiting professor here from England in the late '90s whose unvaxxed children got measles while they were here, and were seen by that doctor. So that's it? Two children over twenty years ago?
Posted by: Cia | September 08, 2019 at 11:14 AM
Cia,
However, as Sean Kirby pointed out in his full statement, ( there is a link to it in the article) it is extremely unlikely that the measles vaccine is anything like as effective as the CDC figures you quoted..
Firstly he described how in a fully vaccinated adult, doctors are diagnosing anything but measles, even when it is present.
"Because of the pain in her side the doctor sent her to York Hospital to get blood work and a CT Scan, thinking it may be appendicitis. "
"We were told maybe it is EBV(Epstein Barr Virus). They prescribed a steroid and ordered more blood work. "
"this time we were armed with an article that a dance mom had found totally be chance, she didn't even know Allison was sick. The article was about a measles case in Arizona where we just had been. The doctor looked at Allison again and said it could be the measles, but not sure."
So apparently, if they had not gone back the third time with an article and asking about measles, epstein barr is what she would have had...
By the way, a friend of mines fully vaccinated daughter just had a rash and illness that the doctors thought "must have been" epstein barr......
As Sean Kirby also pointed out in his small family of 2, they have a 100% vaccination failure rate.
He puts it very well.
"The CDC says the vaccine is effective in 93% of people with one shot and 97% effective in people with 2 shots. So you tell me the odds of 2 people both vaccinated living in the same house, but neither of our vaccines are effective. Either their math is off or I am going to go play the lottery"
His statement is well worth a read in its entirety, imo. I am very grateful that he described the experience so thoroughly and well.
Posted by: Hera | September 07, 2019 at 03:15 PM
Cia,
And we would trust any data or information from the CDC because why?
Posted by: Laura Hayes | September 07, 2019 at 01:33 PM
Barry,
I just found this at a CDC site: Vaccine for Measles (MMR Shot) | CDC
[Search domain www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html] https://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html
Measles Vaccination. Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective. Children may also get MMRV vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella (chickenpox). This vaccine is only licensed for 12 months through 12 years of age.
Meaning that even in those who get both the recommended doses on schedule, there are still going to be three percent who don't get immunity to measles even for a short time, and on a population basis, that's millions of people capable of getting and transmitting measles. We don't have outbreaks involving large numbers of people (more than several thousand) because the vaccinated who really are immune act as a firewall, limiting its spread. From the very beginning, there have always been outbreaks of measles in completely or almost completely vaccinated populations. China has many thousands of cases of measles each year in its 100% vaccinated population. But measles is much less likely to occur in the vaccinated.
And I'm in favor of just letting measles come back and get all the health benefits it offers.
Posted by: Cia | September 07, 2019 at 12:38 PM
In typical allopathic approach to medicine she was given a dose of steroid to suppress the rash. That alone could have lead to a somewhat predictable tragic outcome of forcing the dis-ease deeper into the body.
Cured yesterday of my disease,
I died last night of my physician.
Matthew Prior
Posted by: michael | September 07, 2019 at 11:22 AM
Barry
No, it is more complicated than that. There isn’t any doubt that measles vaccine suppresses infection but the idea that it could ever eradicate the disease was phoney science. People were given a thin immunity rather than immunity for life that they would have had with catching the disease, and with long term implication that thing could go disastrously wrong at some future point in history. But the weakness of the program is presently exposed and health officials are turning on the public to avoid scrutiny.
Posted by: John Stone | September 07, 2019 at 10:48 AM
“All of what we’re seeing right now with the measles outbreak across the country, these could’ve been prevented if we vaccinated."
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But we HAVE been vaccinating against measles.... for more than 50 years !
There's only two reasons why we should still be hearing about measles outbreaks:
1. 50+ years of vaccinating has accomplished nothing
2. Media reports of measles outbreaks are being fabricated
Posted by: Barry | September 07, 2019 at 09:09 AM
You know where all this is going. Right? Mandatory vaccinations for everyone, children, adults, seniors. Thats the mother lode for Big Pharma. Eliminate lifelong immunity with child vaccinations, and then vaccinate the vulnerable adult population. Of course, up to 10% of vaccinated people wont show a response so you will never achieve herd immunity
Posted by: Pft | September 06, 2019 at 08:18 PM
One of the biggest lies ever told, is that any vaccine has ever prevented a disease of any kind.
Why on earth are we expecting these people to be truthful about anything?
Posted by: Barry | September 06, 2019 at 06:09 PM
It seems to me that measles in vaccinated people could become the next big problem. They have interfered in something that had become no big deal and, by interfering with mother nature, like dr frankenstein the creature is escaping their control. Lots of unintended consequences.
Posted by: Cris | September 06, 2019 at 06:00 PM
From the York Dispatch...
https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2019/08/31/wellspan-york-hospital-stony-brook-contaminated-measles/2183438001/
Posted by: AutismDadPa | September 06, 2019 at 03:29 PM
Vaccinations that don’t confer immunity are false promises, pushed by false prophets.
How can a roll-of-the-dice product that can be useless or dangerous ethically be enforced with real threats?
The appropriate government and public response are apologies, refunds, further study, and the unassailable ability to opt out of risky medical procedures.
How many more people like the Kirbys are walking around with zero immunity to measles?
Posted by: nhokkanen | September 06, 2019 at 03:12 PM
Dr. Mark Goedecker, the Regional Medical Director of WellSpan Stony Brook Health Center in York, apparently with great press fan-fare .. announced that there was a confirmed measles case at York Hospital.
If in fact .. Sean Kirby's personal account of his wife's diagnosis as a patient with measles is accurate and truthful .. they as well as the people of York, Pennsylvania and the entire country .. deserve a public RETRACTION AND APOLOGY from Dr Goedecker and the newspaper that published his inaccurate information .. specifically that this measles patient was UNVACCINATED.
Dr Goedecker should also be held accountable by public health officials and the AMA for releasing FALSE INFORMATION IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF HIPPA LAWS PROTECTING THE PRIVACY OF PERSONAL HEALTH FROM PUBLIC .. which in this instance resulted in public humiliation and ridicule of his patient.
@ Carol
Thank you for reprinting Dr Wakefield's prescient warning regarding the potentially dangerous indications the MMR vaccine my prove extremely dangerous to ADULTS who received that particular vaccine in their youth .. making THEM more susceptible to the MEASLES at an age where the MEASLES is far more dangerous than had it be acquired in their youth.
We will soon know if MEASLES in ADULTS is the latest disease .. much like autism … that doctors have become better at diagnosing it.
Posted by: Bob Moffit | September 06, 2019 at 01:35 PM
After I read this, I reread part of Andrew Wakefield's recent article, the part talking about waning vaccine-induced immunity. Here's a short excerpt:
"There is concerning evidence that measles neutralizing antibody titers have fallen to critical levels in highly vaccinated populations. Modrof et al. report a screen of plasma donors used for measles antibody replacement therapy in persons with primary immunodeficiency disorders. They confirm that widespread use of childhood measles vaccination since 1963 has resulted in a decrease in average measles virus antibody titers among plasma donors, which is reflected in intravenous immunoglobulins (IVIGs). Plasma lots from these donors are failing to meet FDA potency requirements for measles virus antibody. [In] an attempt to mitigate the decline in measles virus antibody titers in IVIGs, revaccination of plasma donors was investigated as a means to boost titers, and it failed. Revaccination-induced titer increases were only about 2-fold and short-lived. Are we sitting on a time bomb? Are we creating, by suboptimal vaccination, what are essentially virgin soil populations that have no immunity against both ancient and emergent forms of this virus?" [emphasis added]
https://www.jpands.org/vol24no3/wakefield.pdf
Posted by: Carol | September 06, 2019 at 11:05 AM