When is an Ugly Truth a Conspiracy Theory?
New York Judge Denies Preliminary Injunction Hence Public Education to Thousands of Students

Review of the United Kingdom National Health Service webpage ‘Why vaccination is safe and important’ (media reviewed 30 July 2019).

image from upload.wikimedia.orgby John Stone 

As Britain's new Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, calls for reassuring messaging about vaccination on the web, AoA's British editor looks at an NHS web-page on vaccination safety and finds it full of holes. Unfortunately, the problems with the vaccine program do not lie with its critics. A copy of this review will be sent to the NHS web editors.

I am responding to claims or statements in this web-document ' Why vaccination is safe and important' [1] (not following the original order of presentation). 

I begin with the statement:

“(Vaccines) do not overload or weaken the immune system - it's safe to give children several vaccines at a time and this reduces the amount of injections they need”

It is not clear what the evidential basis is for this statement. Formerly, at least, British health officials were keen to cite a paper by Offit et al (2002) which suggested absurdly an infant could withstand 10,000 vaccines at a time. However far-fetched, this was based on a theoretical claim about routine exposure to environmental antigens. Evidently some environmental exposures are more dangerous than others, otherwise people would not be at risk from infectious diseases at all, but the basis of exposure through vaccination is different (injected), and involves adjuvants so it is perhaps not relevant at all to talk about the number of antigens (as in Offit). In August 2004 Dr Salisbury distinguished in an e-letter to me between the increased risk of adverse reactions in an extended schedule and “overload”, which begs the question what is meant by “overload” and what people are supposed to understand by such a statement. A paper by Aaby et al (2012) was entitled “Vaccine programmes must consider their effect on general resistance”, which is evidently a warning that there is no such blank cheque for expanding the schedule. I covered this ground in my published submission to the House of Commons Health and Social Care Committee inquiry into anti-microbial resistance last year [2]. The NHS need to clarify what they mean, but also state what the evidential basis is for this claim.

Another statement apparently contradicts the proposition that there is anything inherently safe about vaccinating:

“(Vaccines) get safety tested for years before being introduced - they're also monitored for any side effects”

This touches on the reality that vaccines are industrial products which might cause harm. Recently, the issue of how well or thoroughly vaccines are tested for safety before marketing has come under scrutiny. People are told (for example in GCSE biology) that the gold standard for the scientific testing of products is a double blind placebo trial but a lesser standard seems to routinely obtain with vaccines. A letter from a US charity Informed Consent Action Network to the US Department of Human Health Services noted that not only were there no vaccines on the US schedule which had been safety tested against placebo but also none which had been tested against earlier products which had been safety tested against placebo [3]. A correspondence in on-line British Medical Journal which involved Heidi Larson of the Vaccine Confidence Project, Paul Offit and Stanley Plotkin failed to establish the existence of thorough safety testing before marketing on the UK schedule, or the existence of any double-blind placebo safety trials - even when challenged by two leading medical scientists, Christopher Exley and David Healey [4-6]. The NHS needs to be clearer on what level of safety testing has actually taken place. The statement that vaccines “get safety tested for years before being introduced” while disarmingly vague does not offer real reassurance.

The statement “they’re also monitored for any side-effects” is also problematic and potentially misleading. In the first place the MHRA (the United Kingdom licensing agency) does not actively monitor side-effects at all but does receive yellow card reports: this is only a passive reporting system. Historically speaking the MHRA is not known to act on these reports and this came under particular scrutiny last year in the British Medical Journal over the swine flu episode of 2009 when the MHRA failed to pick up signals regarding GSK’s vaccine Pandemrix and narcolepsy which had been identified in two Scandinavian countries [7-12]. In order to detect long-term harm the MHRA would also have to follow up on yellow card reports with patients after a time gap which is not their policy. As reported by the House of Commons Health Committee in 2005 the MHRA is hopelessly conflicted [13].

The statement:

“(vaccines) do not cause allergies or any other conditions…”

is not compatible even with the information in package inserts. The NHS is obliged to make clear the risks of medical interventions to the patient or their representatives under the Montgomery ruling of 2015 which would include drawing their attention to complications in vaccine package inserts [14]. Such a blanket statement is incompatible with this ruling, nor should it be up to health officials to decide what people should be told or not told.

The statement:

“all the current evidence tells us that vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating”

is vague and not conditional on anything. It may not be safer with some people with some products in some conditions, and therefore is either not true or has no meaning.

The statement:

“(vaccines) do not contain mercury (thiomersal)”

needs to be qualified. The annual letter on the flu shot for 2019-20 states (p.15) [15]:

 “None of the influenza vaccines contain thiomersal as an added preservative"

which implies the presence thiomersal in the preparation of at least some products at continuing reduced levels.  And further down we read:

“Vaccines sometimes contain other ingredients that make the vaccine safe and more effective…There is no evidence that any of these ingredients cause harm when used in such small amounts.”

Just taking the example of aluminium there is in fact by now a large mainstream scientific literature either questioning the safety of aluminium adjuvants or indeed asserting their danger. The present statement puts the NHS in an invidious position [16-24]. Either the authors are unaware of this developing concern or have dismissed it out of hand, but it is not correct or accurate to tell the public that there is no evidence. Furthermore, comparison with ingested aluminium on the link is inappropriate and misleading since even if it was good to eat or drink aluminium (the examples used) adjuvanted vaccines are injected and bypass the digestive system. It is also palpably contradictory to claim that a substance which is present in sufficient quantities to be an active ingredient could not also pose a risk.

Again, this is a loosely couched statement:

“(vaccines) do not cause autism - studies have found no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism”

On the one hand the apparent elision of vaccines as a class with MMR is misleading, while the fact that some studies may not have found something is insufficient grounds for saying it does not happen. When, last year, I queried the evidence base for general MMR safety the CMO cited only the review by Taylor (2014) which was restricted to the issue of autism, MMR and thimerosal – there were just six MMR studies, the first of which was published a full fourteen years after MMR was first introduced the British schedule (when the issue was already highly contentious) and which perhaps only closed the door after the horse had bolted. It does not answer the ethical problem of what evidence health officials had that the products were safe at the time of introduction. Indeed we know that the most favoured MMR product in 1988, SKB’s Pluserix, was already withdrawn in Canada at the time [25, 26].

While our health officials have succeeded in not finding a connection between the vaccine programme they promote and autism they also have no explanation for the rise of autism from 0.2% for those born 1984-8 and the 3.3% rate recorded in Northern Ireland schools earlier this year [27,28]: they have neither predicted it, nor can they explain it while every day the reports of chaos pile up [29]. The United States government in its Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, however, have acknowledged the connection between vaccines and autism on a number of occasions.

The HHS HRSA told journalists Sharyl Attkisson and David Kirby on separate occasions [30,31]:

"The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures."

And CDC director Julie Gerberding admitted to CNN following the Hannah Poling settlement [32]:

"Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism…"

An investigation into US vaccine injury court in 2011 found 83 cases of compensated vaccine injury in which autism is mentioned, but which because they are sealed cannot be used as precedents [33]. In an unsealed ruling relating to autism it is stated [34]:

“The Court found, supra, that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was not too remote, but was rather a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.”

The statement:

“If 95% of children receive the MMR vaccine, it's possible to get rid of measles.”

is likely false, because of the waning effectiveness of the vaccine [35-45].

CONCLUSION This is not intended to be a comprehensive review of claims made on the web-page. The point should made that though the page disparages less favourable discussion of the programme found elsewhere on the web it is itself full of loose statements and weak documentation. Reading it an educated public might not be wholly to blame if they were not completely convinced.

[1]  ‘Why vaccination is safe and important’ (media reviewed 30 July 2019), https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-safe-and-important/

[2] Written evidence from John Stone (Age of Autism), House of Commons Health and Social Care Committee Inquiry into Antimicrobial Resistance, http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/health-and-social-care-committee/antimicrobial-resistance/written/86156.pdf

[3] Letter to Department of Human Health Services (Secretary Azar and Acting Director Beckham) from Informed Consent Action Network (Del Bigtree), https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ICAN-Reply-1.pdf

[4] Christopher Exley, 'Re: Vaccine safety: British are less sceptical than Europeans, but younger people need assurance', https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-3

[5] David Healy, ''Re: Vaccine safety: British are less sceptical than Europeans, but younger people need assurance', 27 June 2019,27 June 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-4

[6] John Stone, ‘Re: Response to John Stone (2019 Jul 24)’, 29 july 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-37

[7] Peter Doshi, ‘Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs?’, BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3948 (Published 20 September 2018)

[8] Fiona Godlee, ‘A tale of two vaccines’, BMJ 2018; 363 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k4152 (Published 04 October 2018)

[9] Wendy E Stephen, ‘Re: A tale of two Vaccines’, 12 October 2109,  https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-16

[10] Mr Clifford G Miller, ‘Re: A tale of two vaccines - MHRA Published Incomplete ADR Data’, 14 October 2018, https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-18

[11] Clifford G Miller, ‘Re: A tale of two vaccines - MHRA - 6 Reports of "rare" suspected ADR in 60 days ignored’, 18 october 2018, https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-21

[12] Clifford G Miller, ‘Re: A tale of two vaccines - MHRA Had 178 Pandemrix Altered Consciousness Adverse Event Reports in 67 Days’, 23 October 2018, https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-23

[13] “The industry is by no means solely to blame for the difficulties we describe. The regulators and prescribers are also open to criticism. The regulator, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), has failed to adequately scrutinise licensing dataand its post-marketing surveillance is inadequate. The MHRA Chairman stated that trust was integral to effective regulation, but trust, while convenient, may mean that the regulatory process is not strict enough. The organisation has been too close to the industry, a closeness underpinned by common policy objectives, agreed processes, frequent contact, consultation and interchange of staff. We are concerned that a rather lax regime is exacerbated by the MHRA’s need to compete with other European regulators for licence application business.’  House of Commons Health Commttee, ‘The Influence of the Pharmaceutical Indiustry”, 2005, https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhealth/42/42.pdf

[14] JUDGMENT, Montgomery (Appellant) v Lanarkshire Health Board (Respondent) (Scotland),

 https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2013-0136-judgment.pdf

[15] https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/annual-national-flu-programme-2019-to-2020-1.pdf

[16] Jørgensen L, Gøtzsche PC, Jefferson T.'The Cochrane HPV vaccine review was incomplete and ignored important evidence of bias', BMJ Evid Based Med. 2018 Oct;23(5):165-168. doi: 10.1136/bmjebm-2018-111012. Epub 2018 Jul 27

[17] Lars Jørgensen, Peter Doshi, Peter Gøtzsche, Tom Jefferson, 'Challenges of independent assessment of potential harms of HPV vaccines', BMJ 2018; 362 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.k3694 (Published 24 September 2018)

[18] Emma Shardlow, Matthew Mold and Christopher Exley, 'Unraveling the enigma: elucidating the relationship between the physicochemical properties of aluminium-based adjuvants and their immunological mechanisms of action,', 7 November 2018, Allergy, Asthma & Clinical Immunology201814:80 https://doi.org/10.1186/s13223-018-0305-2

[19] Lee SH, 'Detection of human papillomavirus (HPV) L1 gene DNA possibly bound to particulate aluminum adjuvant in the HPV vaccine Gardasil, J Inorg Biochem. 2012 Dec;117:85-92. doi: 10.1016/j.jinorgbio.2012.08.015. Epub 2012 Aug 30.

[20] Lee SH, 'Melting profiles may affect detection of residual HPV L1 gene DNA fragments in Gardasil®.', Curr Med Chem. 2014 Mar;21(7):932-40.

[21] Mary Holland, Kim Mack Rosenberg and Eileen Iorio, 'The HPV Vaccine On Trial: Seeking Justice for a Generation Betrayed' with an introduction by Luc Montagnier, Skyhorse, 2 October 2018

[22] Peter Doshi, Tom Jefferson, Mark Jones, Kyungwan Hong, Larissa Shamseer, Haeyoung Lee, O’Mareen Spence, Florence Bourgeois, 'Call to action: RIAT restoration of a previously unpublished methodology in Gardasil vaccine trials', 11 January 2019, https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2865/rr-7

[23] Gerwyn Morris, Basant K. Puri, and Richard E. Frye, ‘The putative role of environmental aluminium in the development of chronic neuropathology in adults and children. How strong is the evidence and what could be the mechanisms involved?’ Metab Brain Dis. 2017; 32(5): 1335–1355. Published online 2017 Jul 27. doi: 10.1007/s11011-017-0077-2, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596046/

[24] Matthew Mold, Dorcas Umar, Andrew King, Christopher Exley, ‘Aluminium in brain tissue in autism’, Journal of Trace Elements in Medicine and Biology Volume 46, March 2018, Pages 76-82, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

[25] John Stone/CMO correspondence, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/536265/response/1323604/attach/2/Redacted%20correspondence%20CMO%20and%20John%20Stone%20003.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

[26] Canada Diseases Weekly Report, 15 December 1990, https://gsg.uottawa.ca/gov/Docs/CDWR%20RHMC%20Vol.16-50.pdf

[27] Metzler et al, 'The mental health of children and adolescents in Great Britain' National Statistics 1999, p.33 Table 4.1 'Prevalence of Mental Disorders', Pervasive development disorder is listed under 'less common disorders', http://www.dawba.com/abstracts/B-CAMHS99_original_survey_report.pdf

[28] Ian Waugh, The Prevalence of Autism (including Asperger Syndrome) in School Age Children in Northern Ireland 2019', Information Analysis Directorate May 2019, https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/asd-children-ni-2019.pdf 

[29] Chaminda Jayanetti, ‘Special educational needs crisis deepens as councils bust their budgets…Observer investigation reveals 30% rise in overspending against backdrop of a failure to meet demand for services’, Observer 18 August 2019, https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/aug/18/special-educational-needs-councils-in-crisis-budget-overspends-rocket

[30] Sharyl Attkisson, ‘Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What's in a Name?’, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccines-autism-and-brain-damage-whats-in-a-name/ (Downloaded 28 August 2018)

[31] David Kirby ‘A new theory of autism causation’, Huffington Post 29 March 2009, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vaccine-court-autism-deba_b_169673

[32] House Call with Dr Sanjay Gupta, 29 March 2009, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/29/hcsg.01.html

[33] Mary Holland, Louis Conte, Robert Krakow and Lisa Colin, ‘Unanswered Questions: A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury’, Pace Environmental Law Review, vol. 28, no. 2, 2011, https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/vol28/iss2/6/

[34] http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/BANKS_CASE.pdf

[35] Markowitz LE, Albrecht P, Rhodes P, Demonteverde R, Swint E, Maes EF, Powell C, Patriarca PA., 'Changing levels of measles antibody titers in women and children in the United States: impact on response to vaccination. Kaiser Permanente Measles Vaccine Trial Team.', Pediatrics. 1996 Jan;97(1):53-8., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8545224

[36] Kontio M, Jokinen S, Paunio M, Peltola H, Davidkin I, 'Waning antibody levels and avidity: implications for MMR vaccine-induced protection', Infect Dis. 2012 Nov 15;206(10):1542-8. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jis568. Epub 2012 Sep 10.

[37] Sandra Waaijenborg, Susan J. M. Hahné, Liesbeth Mollema, Gaby P. Smits, Guy A. M. Berbers, Fiona R. M. van der Klis, Hester E. de Melker, and Jacco Wallinga, 'Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage', J Infect Dis. 2013 Jul 1; 208(1): 10–16.

[38] Zhao et al, 'Low titers of measles antibody in mothers whose infants suffered from measles before eligible age for measles vaccination' Virol J. 2010; 7: 87., Published online 2010 May 6. doi: 10.1186/1743-422X-7-87

[39] Kang et al, 'An increasing, potentially measles-susceptible population over time after vaccination in Korea', VaccineVolume 35, Issue 33, 24 July 2017, Pages 4126-4132, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17308551

[40] Fiebelkorn et al, 'Measles virus neutralizing antibody response, cell-mediated immunity, and IgG antibody avidity before and after a third dose of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in young adults', J Infect Dis. 2016 Apr 1; 213(7): 1115–1123.

Published online 2015 Nov 23. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jiv555

[41] Paunio et al, 'Secondary measles vaccine failures identified by measurement of IgG avidity: high occurrence among teenagers vaccinated at a young age', Epidemiol Infect. 2000 Apr;124(2):263-71.,https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l2359/rr-0

[42] Rosen JB, Rota JS, Hickman CJ, Sowers SB, Mercader S, Rota PA, Bellini WJ, Huang AJ, Doll MK, Zucker JR, Zimmerman CM., 'Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011', Clin Infect Dis. 2014 May;58(9):1205-10. doi: 10.1093/cid/ciu105. Epub 2014 Feb 27

[43] Felicia Roy, Lillian Mendoza, Joanne Hiebert, Rebecca J. McNall, Bettina Bankamp, Sarah Connolly, Amy Lüdde, Nicole Friedrich, Annette Mankertz, Paul A. Rota, Alberto Severini , 'Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR' https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735 "Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (RJ McNall, unpublished data)".

[44] Rosen JB, Rota JS, Hickman CJ, Sowers SB, Mercader S, Rota PA, Bellini WJ, Huang AJ, Doll MK, Zucker JR, Zimmerman CM., 'Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011', Clin Infect Dis. 2014 May;58(9):1205-10. doi: 10.1093/cid/ciu105. Epub 2014 Feb 27

[45] Gregory A. Poland and Robert M. Jacobson, ‘The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines?’, Vaccine. 2012 Jan 5; 30(2): 103–104., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/

Comments

Morag

With the coming cold season approaching ,are UK Health and Social Care workers being offered appropriate support, advice, and information Re this seasons Flu vaccine/immunisation?
Apparently this product is "off label" aye right off it ie ,no risk assessment available for this product whatsoever for use during pregnancy years ?
Perhaps Health and Social Care leadership could benefit from a gentle sharp reminder that Health and Social care worers are employees "Not Servants!"
The 1974 Health and Safety at work Act, is still very active, and still has the skills and competencies to chuck the Act, the whole Act, and nothing but the Act straight back at at their own own silly wee perceptions , landing about one centimetre above floor level , for their consideration!

Beleaguered Autism Mom

Eindeker, when I read this today, regarding the Israeli flight attendant on NVIC, I thought of you.....[Rotem Amitai] does not just suffer from measles, she contracted an infectious bacterium during her hospitalization. The [emergency room] doctor said that, right now, there isn’t any medical diagnosis that unequivacally proves that her health was aggravated by the infection. But, according to the Ministry of Health data, every year 4,000 to 6,000 people die in Israel as a direct result of hospital infections. Report on the infection with the bacteria was transferred to the [Ministry of Health]. Gee, why didn't that make the news?

John Stone

Cia

Specifically in 1990 in the UK the DPT schedule was accelerated from 3, 5 & 10 months to 2, 3 & 4 months.

https://www.ageofautism.com/2012/12/the-british-dimension-the-who-mercury-cover-up-and-the-cdc.html

This product was already known to be extremely dangerous. In 1979 the government had brought in a vaccine damage award scheme to acknowledge public concern (about “the rare case”) and proceeded to secretly award 600 cases in the first two years.

https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4460/rr-0

Cia

BAM,

I looked at it, the article itself said that concerns had been raised about its integrity, but the journal wasn't able to confirm or deny them, so they were just noted. So now it's been retracted? I'm shocked at how hard it has become to find vaccine-critical materials on the Internet. I found some sites where I had gotten texts about vaccine encephalitis five years ago, but now most of the links are dead. If you type in "vaccine encephalitis" now, nearly all the suggestions are ones which say it never occurs.

However, I was concerned that this article said that in 1968 in the UK the DPT and polio vaccines were only given at six and seven months old, but by 1988 they were given more often, in tandem with increasing autism rates. In the US, at least, the DPT and polio vaccines were always given much more often, when I was a baby I got the DPT at three, five, and seven months old (possibly because I was premature, delayed a month each), then a booster a year later, and a number of other boosters, even more than are given now. I got three injected polio vaccines and then two of the Sabin oral vaccine. I've read that pediatricians in the US were encouraged to give the DPT every year. It's not correct that babies in earlier generations only got these vaccines once each. But they are certainly what started autism, however often they were given.

I don't think this new pharma campaign is going to work, saturation bombing about how deadly all the VPDs are and how 100% safe and effective all the vaccines always are for everyone. How in the world could they make the public believe that? But it's very discouraging since they've hijacked the media and legislatures to spread their party line and compel compliance.

Cia

John,

I thought that as well. I would not want my baby to have a brain scan every day for a month. I just saw a photo of the telegraph employee on the Titanic with metal things sticking out of his headgear, and thought Well, there's a boy who would have eventually gotten brain cancer. However, if we don't have that evidence, is there any way to assess whether or not babies react with any degree of encephalitis to routine vaccines? I don't know, maybe blood tests for inflammation? But how could you localize any inflammation to the brain based on a blood test? I would say at the very least all parents must be apprised of the symptoms, except that then they'd realize that there is a distinct danger involved in the vaccines, especially when we got a real idea of how many babies react with unusual prolonged screaming, and most would wisely refuse the hep-B vaccine and probably the others too. Wow, based on the African study, babies who get the DPT die at ten times the rate as those who don't get it? And no one had noticed that before?

Beleaguered Autism Mom

I saw on Pubmed today that this article is being retracted - 10 years after publication - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
I can't decide if the purpose of this type of retraction is to delay accountability or if the puppet masters really believe they can re-write history. I believe editors are being bullied but why don't they care that 1 in 36 boys in this country are brain damaged?

John Stone

Cia

It may be a theoretical idea, but I should imagine giving an infant a brain scan every day for a month might have its own impact!

Cia

Eindeker,

We would be able to learn more about the frequency of vaccine encephalitis if all parents of children who received any kind of vaccination were warned of the symptoms: screaming syndrome for over three hours (or even less for mild encephalitis), excessive somnolence, or blank staring episodes, as well as overt seizures, of course. Or they might conduct a study in which every member of a group of 100,000 children (or even 10,000) were given brain scans every day for a month after vaccination to look for abnormal responses (this would, of course, be an unlikely study for the medical *** to undertake). Lacking either of these measures, we have absolutely no idea of how often it occurs, especially when results such as speech delay would not be noticed for as long as a year after the vaccine was given.

Even the vaccine information sheets that I have seen, mandated by law to be given to parents before the vaccination, say nothing about the symptoms of vaccine encephalitis. I was not given the VIS at any point either before or after my daughter was given the hep-B vaccine at the hospital at midnight, nearly 24 hours after her birth. Several of my friends told me that they had not been given the hep-B VIS before the vaccination of their newborns either. And no one told me a single word about screaming syndrome. Even when my mother told the pediatrician about the horrible screaming and he asked Is it for over three hours a day? And she said Much, much more than that. He only said, Ah, well, my older daughter had colic, and it's not a physical condition anyway. Not a word about colic never occurring in the first week of life, as this did. Colic follows a rule of three: at least three hours a day, starting not sooner than the third week after birth, and lasting not longer than three months. But if he was aware of that, he chose not to mention it.

Angus Files

Eindecker

Just a mo, as I remove my shades I was wearing reading your previous posts the glare from the white was getting to my eyes as I re-read and re-read your posts.Most humorous and best writing you've ever produced a pleasure and hilarious to read.Nearly as good as looking at the cop who looks like the halitosis kid dog breath Deer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21854549


Here you have a company promoting and supplying vaccines around the UK announcing its partnership with the Encephalitis Society and called PHARMDOCTOR that doesn't read as snow white as you make it out to be?Far from it, they sell Pharma Fare VACCINES plus bits and bobs plus free ill/impartial advice, you just drop in couldnt be sweeter or nicer from those sweet Drs ,could it.

https://pharmacyinpractice.scot/2019/02/22/encephalitis-society-announce-a-partnership-to-improve-public-awareness/

"PharmaDoctor (owned by Escripts Marketing Ltd), and the Encephalitis Society (Registered Charity No. 1087843) are pleased to announce a long-term partnership whereby PharmaDoctor becomes the official sponsor of the Encephalitis Society’s online travel health guidance portal."

If you proceed to COMPANIES HOUSE and look up Escripts Marketing Ltd (for you below).You can read all the directors of Escripts.Nice bunch of sweet Drs to pick from all making profit via the Encephalitis Society.Does that make the society impartial and whiter than white as you make out it does?Of course not.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06925143/office


Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

John Stone

In this instance, for example, leading British health officials dispute parents’ memories based on medical records - the claim is recall bias but it could just as easily be recording bias:

https://adc.bmj.com/content/88/8/666.full

susan welch

Eindecker. I endorse John's statement. Doctors do not rush children with severe adverse reaction to hospital. They say it is 'normal'. When autism is diagnosed it is either a 'coincidence' or 'genetic'.

I repeat what I said to you a couple of days ago. Those children will not be in any of the statistics that you love so much.

John Stone

Eindecker

Yes, well I can promise you they don’t.

Eindeker

Thank you for your efforts in resolving the issue John, let's see if this makes its way through, without a preview
2 points In deference to your legal concerns can I suggest that Angus, and anyone else, looks at the Board of Trustees of the Encephalitis Society https://www.encephalitis.info/Pages/Category/our-trustees where he will see that the Chairman of Trustees is a practising a solicitor specialising in clinical negligence.

Re Vaccine induced Encephalitis, like all suspected cases of encephalitis, urgent hospitalisation is recommended https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/encephalitis/ "Encephalitis needs to be treated in a hospital. The earlier treatment is started, the more successful it's likely to be" &
there is a review of vaccine induced encephalitis and its causes https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603512/ None of the references I have found differentiate between this and other cases encephalitis in terms of severity and the advice to a GP suspecting encephalitis in a child is to get them to hospital ASAP

John Stone

Anna

There is no doubt from the 11 pro-vaccine studies I listed at the end of my article that dwindling adult immunity among the vaccinated means means that “herd immunity” is a chimera. In 1996 the redoubtable Markowitz knew that they were (a) destroying adult immunity through vaccination whatever the natural circulation of virus and (b) infant immunity. The answer to this for Markowitz was to vaccinate even more...

One conclusion might be that while there were some immediate benefits to the project of vaccinating against measles it might leave the population worse off decades down the line, and as Jenny points out the position is even worse with mumps. For the same reason in the U.K. we have never had chickenpox vaccination even though sadly there are a few deaths every year. I believe the chickenpox situation is under review but it still was not considered wise in 2009.

Jenny Allan

Updates
The official UK Government measles stats, now admit the correct number of measles first 2018 quarter to have been 91 as myself and John pointed out here and on BMJ responses. ( Updated 28th November 2018). The total up to 31st October 2018 adds up to 517 cases.
Measles surveillance data 2018
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/measles-notifications-and-confirmed-cases-by-quarter-in-england-2013-to-2015

This total is at variance with the 991 confirmed cases reported by the BBC and the PHE's own November 2018 update:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/measles-outbreaks-across-england
News story
Measles outbreaks across England
Last updated 12 November 2018
Public Health England
Latest update Quote:-
"Between 1 January 2018 and 31 October 2018, there have been 913 laboratory-confirmed measles cases in England. This steep rise in cases (when compared to 259 lab-confirmed measles cases in 2017), was associated with outbreaks linked to importations from Europe that have led to some limited spread in the community, particularly teenagers and young adults who missed out on their MMR vaccine when they were younger.The measles outbreaks previously reported in different parts of the country are now under control, and we have seen a sharp decline in the number of measles cases reported."

The BBC has now changed its measles photo. We now have an archive photo of what appears to be a young woman with measles. The spots look genuine.
Why is the UK seeing a rise in measles cases?
By Michelle RobertsHealth editor, BBC News online
20 August 2019
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49394170
Quote :-
“In 2018, there was a marked increase in reported measles cases, with 991 confirmed cases in England and Wales, compared with 284 cases in 2017.
And there have been more than 230 cases across the UK during the first quarter of 2019.”

John Stone

PS Eindeker, I have just removed for legal reasons a comment you were responding to relating to the Encephalitis Society. I think the main problem with vaccine induced encephalitis in infants is that it will never even be recorded: GPs will respond to reports by telling people to give their child paracetamol/tylenol. I think the Encephalitis Society should concern itself with making sure such events get reported and followed up.

Angus Files

Exactly Hera well said.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

John Stone

Eindeker

Can't figure it out. I just tried to re-post removing links which sometimes cause comments to go into the spam, but that did not work either.

Eindeker says
John Stone

Eindecker

Sorry, the glitch continues.

Jenny Allan

@ John Stone -"Last year I found a major anomaly that confirmed cases for the first quarter of the year were published as 91 on 10 July (supposedly complete and already in the third quarter) and then 265 on 24 August:" https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3596/rapid-responses

Yes - Public Health England were then attempting to serve two masters . They wanted the UK to keep the recently awarded WHO so called 'measles free ' status, and at the same time try to scare the public by hyping up measles cases. The objective, then as now, was to 'persuade' reluctant teenagers to get another MMR jab. The real agenda was actually panic about large outbreaks of mumps cases in young adults, particularly in universities and colleges, and an increasing number of older adults contracting measles. A significant percentage of mumps and measles cases were MMR vaccinated persons.

PHE -reprehensively- produced two sets of stats. One for the WHO and the other for 'public consumption'. In the case John quoted, confirmed measles cases in the first quarter of 2018 apparently jumped from 91 to 265 . This was achieved by counting samples twice, when samples were tested more than once, often to ascertain the particular strains of measles. This hyping up of measles cases happened in other 2018 quarters too. The media was never informed about the alarming rise in mumps cases in young adults, also clearly recorded on the official stats.

I'm suspicious about the reasons behind the withdrawal of the WHO's measles free status too, but you can't have things 'all ways'. PHE has admitted the spike in measles cases 2018 and early 2019 was largely due to travel, migrants and 'travelling people'. A large percentage of measles cases are in London, a cosmopolitan city with a large 'floating' population.

I requested a response from PHE, but it was never forthcoming. With such a serious matter, I would have expected the BMJ to demand answers too. Since then I have found it impossible to post any more BMJ rapid responses. They are not admitting any 'blacklisting' but my admittedly infrequent comments always 'go for the jugular'.

susan welch

Hera. I so enjoyed reading your responses to Eindecker, I read them twice.

Thank you.

Eindeker
Eindeker

John I think the issue is with the Preview page, I did not Preview the short post about being blocked & it appeared. When I previewed the longer posts the text didn't appear in the preview page, and they did not appear.
I'll now separately try to post yesterdays' post without using the preview option

Donna L.

John,
I like to think it's Dan pulling some strings from the Great Beyond, giving us all a chance to lower our blood pressure before the next inevitable post from E. boasting the wondrous merits of the MMR vaccine. ;)
(but seriously, sometimes if I try to copy/paste into the comment text box, my whole comment disappears, so maybe that's what happened.)

Anna

Does 'herd immunity' make a difference to measles? Does social media make a difference to vaccine uptake?

In 1998/99 we had less than 100 measles cases per year, no social media and the MMR uptake was lower than it is today... The UK has Never Ever reached 95% according to the WHO in 20 years yet just 3 children have died in they period. 3 immune compromised boys, 2 of whom were travellers and not vaccinated and one who was fully vaccinated.
https://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/countries?countrycriteria%5Bcountry%5D%5B%5D=GBR
(nb the WHO collected reported cases but the confirmed cases are seriously lower as seen in the link below)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013

John Stone

Grace

Never seen what happened with Eindecker before. I know with some blogs they were programmed to reject certain words or configurations of words but not AoA. In this case Eindecker’s name appears above two invisible posts - I imagine it must be to do with platform in some way.

Grace Green

John,
I wrote a comment a few days ago which just vanished when I had posted it. Not for one moment did I think you were censoring me! Now it's happened to Eindeker as well I can't think who could be behind it.

Hera

Eindecker,

You ask what to do about herd immunity. All around, just imo, it seems that the best thing to do is let at least some in the population as a whole get measles. One measles infection gives lifelong immunity,and after the infection provides herd protection to a lot of people; more and more shots ( three now) still don't confer complete immunity.
I have had measles as a child, and for the last 40 or so years, have added to the herd immunity.


The good news is that deaths from measles are apparently far rarer ( at least according to statistics) than death from the flu. Per your statistics; 86 deaths a year before the vaccine was introduced. Per the CDC flu deaths in the U.S. were 79,400 last year. Certainly population sizes and countries may be different, but that is still an almost impossibly huge contrast.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm#targetText=Conclusion,the%202017%E2%80%932018%20influenza%20season.

As we all know at this point, there is no accurate record of how many deaths the MMR causes every year. Certainly extremely rare long term side effects are scary with regard to measles infections; but it seems we have many more disabling long term side effects from our current vaccine schedule.
On a practical level,malnutrition, of course, has always allowed any illness to become more deadly ( or even exposure to cold, excess heat, anything at all that stresses a body dying of starvation can be a killer.) Vitamin A deficiency in particular is linked with measles side effects. That is why statistics in a malnourished population can't be used as rates for a healthy population.And your figures in the U.K were from 1963-1968
In terms of preventing measles side effects though, it seems that vitamin a deficiency testing and or treating in young children is the most practical solution.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11869601#targetText=Vitamin%20A%20deficiency%20is%20a,A%20deficiency%20may%20be%20present.

In answer to your question re measles; one possibility would be to treat vitamin a deficiency, allow some to develop natural immunity through infection to provide long term protection to the herd, and to make sure the population is not suffering from malnutrition.


Eindecker,
I know you said you know nothing about diagnostic criteria for autism; perhaps it is time you researched this? As a defender of public health, non verbal children with seizures and autism represent a huge continuing long term crisis.Maybe you should be trying to solve this crisis instead?

So, what is your solution to the current public health crisis, of people with epilepsy in the U.K. who, if it is uncontrolled,( 52% of people) can never live independently or drive? By the way, according to this site, 1000 a year are dying from epilepsy every year. Kind of puts those 86 deaths a year from measles before vaccination in a different light, doesn't it? A larger health crisis, and a larger population killer, right now, than measles ever was..
https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/press/facts

And if we are causing some of these deaths with our vaccine schedule ( we all know seizures are a common side effect of many vaccines) then maybe you are looking at the wrong problem.

John Stone

Hi Eindecker

I don’t know why this is - I can see both your comments in admin but they don’t post.

First of all you are quite right if you think Uta Frith isn’t my favourite:

https://www.ageofautism.com/2013/01/utter-froth-autism-epidemic-caused-by-the-film-rain-man.html

I don’t usually make fun of people’s names but what she did was pretty obscene. Apart from anything else you might expect from an expert on a clinical condition is to have some controls on their data, or even to take the matter seriously. According to the latest data from Northern Ireland 3.3% of schoolchildren are ASD and 58% Stage 5 ie nearly 2% of schoolchildren have a high level of autistic disability, so if you don’t know anything about it as guest at Age of Autism for a decade, our health officials, not to mention sundry high-flying academics with honorary damehoods should do more than waffle when asked serious questions - perhaps you should actually pay attention.

As to the WHO, who are up to their ears in conflict, their global measles data is hopelessly compromised, while the British data will vary according to things like how many tests they do: reports have been shown to be useless indicator. Last year I found a major anomaly that confirmed cases for the first quarter of the year were published as 91 on 10 July (supposedly complete and already in the third quarter) and then 265 on 24 August:

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3596/rapid-responses

Since the WHO and DHSC were already trying to hype measles at the time this is problematic to say the least.

Eindecker said
John Stone

Eindecker

In fact not: I don't know whether there is anything embedded in your two previous comments which have caused a technical problem. I will paste them and try and repost.

Eindeker

OK so I'm being blocked, is that correct?

Eindeker
Eindeker
Angus Files

"Adverse reaction" these days only happens with non pharma corporate illegal drug use they would have us all believe.It NEVER happens via the legal quacks pharma money spinning pushers, its just our imagination,right?..


Scots teen 'almost dies' after taking rogue valium 'laced with fentanyl'
Lynn Berry, from Ballingry, Fife, says 19-year-old Brodie Canning was moments from his death after he took an adverse reaction to the drug.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-teen-almost-dies-after-18970932

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

John Stone

Eindecker

We can’t tell from WHO reports whether they are mere reports, projections, or confirmed cases - even if they are confirmed cases whether they are just an artefact of looking rather than a genuine trend. This is the junkiest of junk data: we know the agenda behind (Global Health Security Agenda since 2014) which is the war on infectious disease, but the trouble with wars is that they have casualties (proverbially truth is the first). When people point out anomalies or the collateral damage they suddenly become bad people (conspiracy theorists). I am not indifferent to measles but when you set one end-point and are oblivious to what else goes on there will inevitably be a price. This is what you are doing: you are disparaging anyone who wants to talk about the fall-out. Hence autism is just one of those things (which you don’t know a lot about) rather than a human crisis which is about to break the bank.

Eindeker

Oh so you have data on "imported" v "non-imported" cases of measles do you John? but it is also the case that it never seems to have been eliminated according WHO criteria (even it that meant anything which it doesn’t much). So, it was patently a false narrative.. I'd be pleased to see them and how this contradicts the WHO definition of measles elimination, please share them with us. John I have every empathy with someone dealing with a child with ASD and would not belittle the problems and challenges that this brings but I cannot comment on the complex area of diagnosis as I have no expertise in this. I am concerned with the false and misleading narrative of complex conspiracy theories and flawed science that still hinders the elimination of VPD. You clearly have no practical suggestions to deal with the increasing numbers of measles cases in the UK, what will be your reaction when the first death occurs, as it will inevitably do. I asked the same question after the recent outbreak in Wales of what was your alternative, I seem to remember you grudgingly said they might have used single vaccines.

Susan .Again, as I am sure you know, deaths from measles had become very rare before the introduction of the vaccine and, certainly no-one I knew, feared measles. Here's the 10 year average annual UK deaths from measles 1963-68: 86; 1968-78: 28; 1988-98: 1.8 First measles vaccine introduced into the UK 1968, MMR first introduced 1988

John Stone

Gary

I believe Eindecker is of the pre measles vaccine generation.

Grace Green

Jenny,
You're right about doctors not being able to recognize which kind of spot they're looking at. When my three year old had measles the doc said it was an infected throat with secondary rash. We had to point out the definitive Taplec spots in his mouth. A few years ago I had a nasty rash and they didn't have a clue what it was. One doc looked it up on the internet, and came up with the diagnosis roseola which I'd never heard of. I think now it might have been shingles. Those pictures certainly don't look like measles to me. Would you say chicken pox?
Eindeker,
Twelve months of the country being free from measles seems like a very low threshhold. I remember measles used to come round every three or four years - when there was a new batch of kids without immunity (remember the real meaning of herd immunity?).

David L

According to the U.K.’s latest National Diet and Nutrition Survey between 2008 and 2017, the average vitamin A blood concentration fell by four percent every year for children between the ages of 1.5 and 18. The same downward trend of 4 percent every year was observed in the elderly (65 and older). Vitamin A blood levels dropped an average two percent each year for all other adults (19-64 years). Subjects with fever (temperature > or = 38.3 degrees C) excreted significantly more retinol than did those without fever and episodes of acute infection deplete body stores of vitamin A. Changes in vitamin A intake have negative effects on zinc absorption status, and function. Zinc deficiency is also widespread.

10% of children previously vaccinated against measles lacked antibody on follow-up, 8.9% of children having two doses of the vaccine, as public health authorities now recommend, will have lost their immunity after just seven and a half years causing secondary vaccine failure. Research also shows that the measles virus has mutated, predominately in higher vaccinated areas including France and Great Britain and in some cases is no longer or less able to be neutralized by antibodies, causing a further rise in measles outbreaks even among the vaccinated. Research shows the concentrations of antibodies in persons with natural measles infection history persist for a longer time at a higher level than in vaccinated persons.

Extreme differences in allele frequency between West Africans and Eurasians were observed for a leucine-to-valine substitution (Leu372Val) in the human intestinal zinc uptake transporter, ZIP4 which leads to reduced zinc uptake mediated by the derived variant. The only vaccine actually studied with regard to autism is MMR, and a senior CDC scientist claims the CDC did find an increased rate of autism after MMR in african american boys in the only MMR/autism study ever conducted by the CDC with American children. Further, Zinc and Vitamin A are both linked mechanistically to the development of autism as well as Vitamin A is linked to measles infection and its severity. In the U.S. and other developed countries, 75–92% of hospitalized measles cases are low in vitamin A https://tgl.ink/60Bpty
Research also shows a dose-dependent association between the number of vaccines administered simultaneously and the likelihood of hospitalization or death for an adverse reaction and other research points to increased risk of harm from several vaccines given at the same visit https://tgl.ink/pVkAyF

Jenny Allan

John asks "PS I wonder, is technically harder to photo-shop measles?"
This is a bit 'off the wall' but yes -it is indeed harder to Photoshop measles, which presents as an all over rash much 'finer' than chicken pox. The individual spots are of uniform small size also unlike chicken pox spots which vary. If you look closely at the newborn in my BBC link you will see several 'repeating' clusters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49393279

Of course, these days most doctors below retirement age have never seen a measles rash, far less a baby with measles. Before Eindeker jumps in on this, I do understand measles is now rare because of vaccinations, but there is evidence the vaccine wears off and adults are now contracting this virus in larger numbers. There is always a negative side to interference with natural processes.

Sometimes it's good to laugh. I wonder what Boris would look like with some Photoshopped spots?

Gary Ogden

John: Thank you very much for this. Of course, those of us who've been around for a while (when we had around four million cases a year in the U.S.) know that measles is not a dangerous disease except in a very small percentage of people. Eindeker simply has no idea what a robustly healthy generation of children (we baby-boomers) looks like, as he was likely too young then even for a sailor suit, maybe even not yet a twinkle in his daddy's eye. The only age-group in the UK whose longevity is increasing is the 70-74 group. Worst off, from a longevity standpoint is the 30-34 group. The most heavily mercury-poisoned group (in the U.S.) is the 18-30 age group, but we now know that Merck was using the dangerous AAHS adjuvant in their DTP all along and calling it aluminum hydroxide. Caught lying with no consequences. My hometown newspaper ran an article about this on December 3, 1984, titled, "Orange Juice Cans Have More Accurate Labels." Today they wouldn't dream of publishing such information. It was the DTP which made vaccines liability-free. Such a gravy train. Commenters such as Eindeker and Master Frederick show their cowardice by anonymously disregarding the horror show going on worldwide. The mercury-laden vaccines are still being produced, and shipped to poor countries by the diabolically evil WHO and Bill Gates. The only good news is that only 29% of Americans believe what the government says any more. Perhaps the tide will turn.

Carol

Boris Johnson says: “(Vaccines) do not overload or weaken the immune system - it's safe to give children several vaccines at a time and this reduces the amount of injections they need”


Yes, I'm sure parents would choose increased risk of brain damage over the nuisance of having to make more trips.

"U.S. health officials are no longer recommending the combination MMRV (measles, mumps, rubella and varicella) vaccine over the MMR vaccine and a separate varicella vaccine for kids. The change comes after new data show that the MMRV shot increases the risk for febrile seizure in children aged 12 to 23 months. Preliminary findings suggest there is a doubling in the relative increased risk in this age group within a week to 10 days after receiving the shot, according to a report in the March 14 issue of the 'Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report,' published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention...." https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=87819


Stop your whining, snowflakes. Febrile seizures don't really cause brain damage, right?

"In the past, child health experts regarded febrile seizures as mostly benign, but this relaxed attitude is now undergoing reconsideration as atypical 'febrile seizure syndromes' become more common. In a study reported in the Annals of Neurology, almost one-fifth (18%) of children who experienced their first febrile seizure had prolonged seizures lasting, on average, 40 minutes. These more complex febrile seizures, when prolonged and/or recurrent, greatly increase the risk of subsequent neurological disorders.

In animal models, investigators have observed long-lasting abnormalities in the cortex and hippocampus of adult animals that experienced complex febrile seizures during early developmental stages. Research in humans has pointed to increased risk for Tourette syndrome and developmental delays following some types of febrile seizures. Studies also have linked a form of prolonged seizure called febrile status epilepticus (5% to 9% of all febrile seizures) to subsequent temporal lobe epilepsy and hippocampal sclerosis....A 2010 study that focused on the functional consequences of early-life seizures observed that 'the distinct age and specific maturational stage of the brain as a whole and of specific seizure-vulnerable regions are important determinants of seizure outcome' and that children who experience seizures at the youngest ages are most vulnerable to post-seizure neurological dysfunction."

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccines-as-a-trigger-for-early-childhood-febrile-seizures/

John Stone

Susan

Yes, the doctors would say it was normal - just give them some paracetamol (Tylenol). If there was yellow card report the licensing agency (MHRA) would ignore it as statistically insignificant, and any doctor inclined to pursue the matter would certainly find themselves before the regulator GMC) because in the U.K. the state refuses to accept that damage ever really happens and it is an issue of draconian social repression.

John Stone

Of course, autism is of far more significance in terms of early mortality that measles - I don’t know what that means to Eindecker:

https://www.nhs.uk/news/neurology/people-with-autism-are-dying-younger-warns-study/

John Stone

Eindecker

Well here you are - here is the data and measles has never been eliminated in the U.K. in any single year (this up to 2018):

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013

I also fear that while fluctuations may in part be natural, they can be an artefact of looking (according to policy). There were nearly 1,000 cases last year, and though there were only 300 in 2017 it was even lower in 2015. I am not saying it is not a concern but it is also the case that it never seems to have been eliminated according WHO criteria (even it that meant anything which it doesn’t much). So, it was patently a false narrative. You can see for yourself it never happened.

What do I suggest? Well one thing I suggest is that people stop lying in pursuit of health policy, because it is unethical, deserves to destroy trust and distorts policy. When I have challenged you over the catastrophic rise in autism which is far more serious on a population basis than measles you have nothing whatever to say - no curiosity, no concern.

susan welch

Eindecker, Why would the return of measles 'be a real problem'? Before all the tampering with our children/grandchildren's immune systems with liability free, multiple vaccines, children got measles, mothers passed on immunity to their babies and only those with an underlying problem had adverse reactions.

Again, as I am sure you know, deaths from measles had become very rare before the introduction of the vaccine and, certainly no-one I knew, feared measles. Nor had anyone heard of autism in the 1950s/60s.

Your comment assumes that it is imperative that measles be eliminated. That is the government, health authorities and media line. It is not the opinion of anyone who has seen a member of their family suffer, often so severely, from reaction to vaccines.

Eindeker

John "Of course, we see this fake narrative of how the U.K. was once measles free - well you and I know that this is demonstrable flannel"
This is the WHO definition Measles elimination is defined as the absence of endemic measles virus transmission in a region or other defined geographical area for more than 12 months. Conversely, a country is no longer considered to be measles free if the virus returns and transmission is sustained continuously for more than a year. It does not mean zero cases as a country cannot control cases imported from abroad.
The graph here http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/measles clearly shows an increasing incidence of measles & John you still haven't given an answer on what you would recommend to solve this before it comes real problem.....

John Stone

Grace

Of course, we see this fake narrative of how the U.K. was once measles free - well you and I know that this is demonstrable flannel - but would Boris with all the other things on his mind be asking shrewd questions of his advisors? I would be very surprised.

Angus Files

Boris seems like a breath of fresh air just now compared to the past 20 years or so.
I noticed they have nearly given up the forced vaccination of the Scots via the backdoor removing the parents right to say NO FxxK OFF WITH YOUR VACCINES!But its just not to be we are still going to have a say on what and who poisons our kids.


Hi Angus,

Has expert panel delivered knock-out blow to Named Person scheme?
The expert panel set up by John Swinney in 2017 to fix the problems with the Named Person scheme has failed to come up with any solutions.

After the UK Supreme Court struck down the information-sharing provisions at the heart of the Named Person scheme in 2016, Mr Swinney put forward a bill to try and salvage his scheme. But MSPs blocked the bill and requested to see a draft code of practice.

But after trying for two years the expert panel has now concluded that producing a draft code is “not the right thing to do at this time” and that “it would not be desirable as the complexity of this would mean it would not be easy to understand or apply in practice".

Official minutes of a meeting in March, only revealed last week, stated: “The remit was to produce a code of practice so we need to be clear and up front about the difficulties of that.”

Extensive media coverage, including Scotland on Sunday, The Herald and STV, suggests there is widespread agreement that the controversial scheme has reached the end of the road.

NO2NP’s Simon Calvert, commented: “This might just be the knock-out blow to the Scottish Government’s state snooper scheme.”

He added: “Mr Swinney promised they would ‘develop a workable, comprehensive and user friendly code of practice’. They have, unsurprisingly, concluded that this is impossible.”

Read the full story on the NO2NP blog
https://no2np.org/has-expert-panel-delivered-knockout-blow-to-named-person-scheme/

It was three years ago this month that the Scottish Government planned a nationwide roll out of Named Persons with powers to grab and share your personal information. Let’s hope the Scottish Government finally stops wasting taxpayer time and money on this intrusive scheme.

Thanks for your continued support.
The NO2NP Team

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

John Stone

Grace

I suspect that Boris is not a natural compulsory vaccinations man - in fact it has never really had a place in British politics - certainly not the Tory party - and there is no good reason why it would change at the moment apart from the relentless lobbyists and the bought out media. The media clamour has been going now for six years but unfortunately he is going to want corporate friends, and that is where we are at. I also suspect he would go however he was briefed.

Grace Green

John,
Thank you for getting all this information out to them so quickly, while I'm still trying to get my brain around it. I can't believe our Boris has been taken in by all this rubbish. Can you believe it? one of the comments on the BBC article criticized Prof. Chris Exley comparing him unfavourably to Dr. Wakefield (!) and said, the recommended daily amount of aluminium is 25 -100mg! Drinks cans for dinner anyone?

John Stone

BN

Thanks - also as several of my citations point out waning maternal antibodies due to vaccination left newborn infants as a vulnerable group. This was always known fall-out of the programme.

Also, I keep on seeing pictures of infants with photo-shopped chickenpox!

PS I wonder, is technically harder to photo-shop measles?

bn

John excellent as usual , they of course love to show babies under one with measles to crank up the need for the hysteria of herd immunity but no mention of mother's antibody status . The fear factor is at play once again here comes mandatory vaccines. A copy of this is going to my MP not that they take any notice but he has been told.

John Stone

Jenny

My view was increasingly that we needed to leave the EU without any real optimism that this would turn out well either, and it doesn’t surprise me that Johnson would be re-doubling the government’s links with big pharma since he was already talking about derestricting biotech in his speech on entering No 10 - though he also if I remember correctly said something about “freedom of speech” . Hoho!

I can understand, of course, why politicians recklessly pursue industrial patronage but the reality is that costs to the public may be ultimately much greater than the benefits, and a lot of this was set in motion long before BJ became PM. After Witty left GSK he was swiftly appointed to the government’s new Accelerated Access Partnership:

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/76219.html

I don’t know whether Hancock is worse than the others but it is the second time in succession that a Secretary of State for Health has stayed on with the incoming PM when everybody else was flushed out. If you look at the link it also quotes Johnson’s brother Jo extolling the virtues of free speech. Well, all animals have free speech but some have more than others.

Jenny Allan

Thank you again John.

Boris Johnson is being led by the nose by his Health Minister Matt Hancock.

This is the man who stated publicly 'anti-vaxxers have blood on their hands' . In fact the stats appear to show the opposite with vaccine deaths and disabilities exceeding those of measles. Hancock was also revealed to be receiving bungs from a government lobbying group promoting the interests of private industries, including pharma. Hancock has the aura of a zealot . I consider him a dangerous man to have been awarded Government responsibility for health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-privatisation-donations-matt-hancock-health-secretary-institute-economic-affairs-a8442001.html?fbclid=IwAR13TbvhfBvXSEz4-Vm4_1MmLzigkyxA6bJlNNnsh0S6m-3SEzs-FzGsi0A

Quote - "Newly appointed health Secretary received £32,000 from the chairman of a think-tank which critics say is trying to abolish the NHS."

Boris made a big mistale re-appointing this man, whose expertise is in economics not health. Citizens have suffered for years due to successive governments putting the interests of private corporations over those of the public. GlaxoSmithKline, has been fined huge sums of money several times for corruption, including around $1billion in the US for Vioxx and several £millions for bribery and corruption in China. In the UK not a cheep. Instead previous CEO Sir Andrew Witty was given several advisory roles including positions on government advisory organisations.
From Wikipedia:-
"Public bodies
Witty serves as a director of Singapore Economic Development Board, and on the Imperial College Commercialisation Advisory Board. He is a member of the INSEAD UK Council, Health Innovation Council in the UK and a director of the Office for Strategic Coordination of Health Research. He is also a member of the Economic Development Board audit committee as well as a board member of the Singapore Land Authority Board."

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Your Information

(Name and email address are required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)