President Trump wants to give the US flu vaccine production a shot in the arm.
The former vaccine skeptic is working on an executive order that would direct the Health and Human Services department to overhaul how it cooks up flu vaccines, and he also has plans to encourage more Americans to get their shots, Politico reported Tuesday.
It’s a stark turnaround from Trump’s previous stance on inoculations, which he linked to autism in 2014 before he officially launched his political career.
“Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases,” Trump tweeted at the time.
As president, however, he encouraged parents to vaccinate their kids in response to a measles outbreak earlier this year.
“They have to get their shots. The vaccinations are so important. This is really going around now. They have to get their shots,” the president said outside the White House in April.
Annual flu vaccines are typically tailor-made for specific virus strains that are prevalent in a given flu season, but the still-incubating executive order would direct HHS to develop a universal flu shot that could be used year after year.
Part of Trump’s strategy is to give vaccine-makers more economic incentives to explore updated technologies, Politico reported.
Trump was swayed on the issue by a conversation he had in early 2018 with Bill Gates.
I just stumbled upon this today, and don't quite know where to post it, but it reveals our most formidable enemy is not any government entity.
Anyone who doubts the enormous power of the tech giants to manipulate the public should watch this hearing:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/07/16/watch-live-senate-holds-hearing-on-google
Chilling, and not even coming from the government, but from very wealthy partisan propagandists. More powerful than all the media. I am not a fan of Ted Cruz, but he is doing the people's work here, and I applaud it.
Posted by: Gary Ogden | July 21, 2019 at 08:04 PM
Grace
This page has not been updated for a couple of years - at that stage there had been only 4 measles infection related deaths since 1992 in the U.K.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data
I think if there had been any more since we would have heard about it.
Posted by: John Stone | July 21, 2019 at 03:34 AM
Yes, that's so true about projections. I actually heard a "Public Health" spokes women recently on BBC radio, saying that, "One thousand children caught the measles so one or two WILL HAVE DIED" !! Not that they had died, but she guessed they probably had. You can't even credit thinking like that with the description "epidemiology".
Posted by: Grace Green | July 20, 2019 at 03:04 PM
Benedetta
for more disturbing snippets, here is a more extensive interview with Kris Newby, author of Bitten.
http://www.betterhealthguy.com/episode98
Her book is part biography of Willy Burgdorfer, (credited with discovery of Lyme), part investigation of his relation to bioweaponry work, part her own hypotheses.
Representative Chris Smith (his daughter suffered with lyme) added an amendment to a bill that will have to be approved by the Senate. It asks for a report from DOD Inspector General for a congressional committee, not at the point of hearings yet.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/house-orders-pentagon-report-whether-weaponized-ticks
This article has more snippets regarding past tick research at Ft. Detrick.
https://www.lymedisease.org/lymepolicywonk-questioning-governments-role-lyme-disease-make-conspiracy-theorist/
Transparency is particularly challenging for work designed to be opaque.
Posted by: greyone | July 20, 2019 at 10:49 AM
John -I hope you don't mind me quoting from your BMJ response, but you're the mod here.:-
".....only 320 died in hospital, and 15,649 were apparently left to die without due medical attention at home. What she fails to note is that the 15,969 deaths were not recorded deaths but a projection derived from the Flumomo algorithm [2] for 'flu attributable deaths' based on all cause mortality [3], so it does not really get us anywhere (except that it is just kind of thing I am complaining about!)"
You are spot on with this. It's the same with measles and other vaccines. We get told they save 'millions' of lives', but the truth is all these inflated figures bandied about are just projections or estimates. In the UK child deaths from measles post MMR vaccine number fewer than 5. The children were immune compromised and could not be vaccinated. Nothing to do with Dr Wakefield, although he was accused of 'killing children' by both CNN and ITV presenters. The single Welsh adult who died in 2013 after some shocking NHS failures had received a measles vaccine in infancy, according to his mother and she should know.
It would seem virtually all adult respiratory deaths are getting put down to the flu, regardless of diagnoses.
Posted by: Jenny Allan | July 20, 2019 at 07:29 AM
David
Case in point - last year was an exceptionally bad year for flu mortality in the U.K.: for example there were 320 deaths in England (which accounts for most of the population). We know this because cause of deaths are recorded, and this info even appears in official publications. Last December I protested because the Depatment of Health and Social Care tried to make out that the 50k excess mortality they’d had the previous winter was because of flu when they knew that it had almost nothing to do with it. More recently I was berated by a “health and longevity consultant” in BMJ Rapid Responses that I had ignored approximately 16,000 projected deaths which were “flu-attributable deaths” based on the “Flumomo” algorithm for “all cause mortality”. But as I pointed out we knew how many had died so we didn’t have to project cases:
https://www.bmj.com/content/361/bmj.k2795/rapid-responses
Posted by: John Stone | July 20, 2019 at 06:39 AM
"We never used to get flu in summer even this far north. It's either because of climate change, or more likely the vaccine interference."
Thank you for your good wishes Grace, and I hope your son has fully recovered from the flu. The cruise was splendid. I think you are right about mass flu vaccinations causing flu viruses to mutate quickly, and yes this 'late strain' is nasty and has caused quite a few deaths in Australia. I was concerned about my husband; this flu can cause breathing problems. Those in charge of deciding which strains go into the next season's vaccine are frantically trying to include this strain which is an evolved version of swine flu.
Hans "The Flu vaccine is an outright fraud and I am surprised at ANYONE on here who says otherwise !"
Hang on Hans! I think we are all agreed the flu vaccine is ineffective in its present form, but in common with many other failing vaccines, it was introduced with good intentions, mostly to protect elderly persons like me who are more vulnerable to complications like pneumonia. Giving children a live flu vaccine up their noses, is madness. All this does is spead the virus. Children need to get a few viral infections to build up their immune systems.
Recently, the UK Government was told giving over 65s a free annual flu jab was not decreasing flu deaths or hospital admissions. In their wisdom, the Government introduced a new flu vaccine for us oldies. We were told this 'adjuvanted' version would be more effective. A bit of research told me the adjuvant was squalene, the same adjuvant that was in the H1N1 Pandemrix vaccine which caused narcolepsy. I refused it. My husband accepted it. It made no difference. We both got the flu. Incidently I caught it first, so NOT the vaccine. As Grace pointed out this flu strain was circulating in Scotland during late spring/early summer. I am guessing the over 65's new flu vaccine has been an expensive mistake in the UK.
You know what they say about 'The road to hell being paved with good intentions.'
Posted by: Jenny Allan | July 20, 2019 at 02:37 AM
Leah, I have several times on these AoA comments presented the American Lung Association citing "pneumonia" deaths are 30 times compared to "flu" deaths over many years. Pull this up:
https://www.lung.org/assets/documents/research/pi-trend-report.pdf
The point being is "flu deaths" are in reality propaganda, a lie perpetuated year after year,
Please pull up the https I cite above; flu "deaths' are actually quite rare, thus maybe 2 or 3% of the combined pneumonia + flu mortality, NOT the percentage you have said.
Posted by: david m burd | July 19, 2019 at 09:24 PM
Hard to know what actually goes on in the Trumpy noggin. He thinks his father was born in Germany. His father was born in New York.
Posted by: Carol | July 19, 2019 at 08:25 PM
As Bill Gates has been so “pro vaccine” for years,
at some point RFK Jr. or someone could place him or his children’s doctor under oath, and find out his family's vaccine status, Mr. Gates should have “nothing to hide” with his family in this matter.
The same should hold true for the vaccine records of the past few Presidential families. No other medical questions should be asked.
Do Autism rates for the AAP & medical community match the American normal ??? perhaps many are not following the CDC schedule
Posted by: go Trump | July 19, 2019 at 07:51 PM
Flu vaccine; Is playing Russian roulette with your immune system , esp some one that has a child that has autism, is that not a warning?
Flu shots will cause in us more likely to turn our immune system into flaming inflammation. How might it turn out? Heart disease? Parkinson? Cancer? Perhaps just an entire systemic meltdown like my Mother-in-law complete with GI mess; up going from diarrhea to constipation, adrenal failure, thyroid failure, asthma, heart problems, and toward the end a shrinking brain.
Bob Moffit; I sure hope you are right and that is what it is all about.
If Trump has put the heads of the federal agencies on the chopping block, in front of a bunch of smart lawyers perhaps he figures it will play out as it should?
Meanwhile: To my surprise, surprise, surprise, tonight the news reported that Congress is having hearings on was Lyme disease invented by the military. They were throwing infected ticks on sugar cane workers? Lots of little, disturbing snippets.
It is a mess. There have been some people in this country that have done some horrible things. We the people have lost control of some highly educated, in powerful positions NUTS!
Posted by: Benedetta | July 19, 2019 at 07:16 PM
Anyone know where there are a bunch of imprisoned, refugee, children, separated from their parents where Trump can test out his new vaccine? Is Donald Trump providing Bill Gates with people he can experiment on? How do Democratic legislators draw the parallel to concentration camps and then completely ignore the Nuremberg Code violations that are happening?!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2378462989067775&id=1797590283821718&anchor_composer=false
Posted by: annie | July 19, 2019 at 06:56 PM
Interesting thing about adult flu deaths. The statistics combine both flu and pneumonia. Very sneaky! When you say 80,000 people died of the flu, it really means 80,000 died of flu and pneumonia. Most apparently—estimates at 80 percent—of pneumonia. Incredibly misleading. People who die of pneumonia may have lung cancer, neurological disease, heart failure, old age or the flu. But in flu season they make it sound like all the number they quote died of catching the flu on the subway. As I understand it, there are no separate adult statistics for flu alone. Most of the people in those alarming death tallies on the evening news died of pneumonia probably related or linked to another issue.
Totally crazy. This is science??? The news?? No comment!
Posted by: Leah | July 19, 2019 at 06:53 PM
People I have known have gotten bad cases of the flu from the flu vaccine. My cousin used to work in a hospital and had to get the flu shot every year per CDC recommendations. She planned to get it on Fridays because she worked Monday through Friday and would be out the entire weekend with flu like symptoms. My husband talked to someone who worked at a hospital and had to work with a mask on for not getting the annual flu shot even though he was healthy and not sick and even though his job did not come into contact with patients. He said that those employees that were getting the flu shot were getting sick but not him.
Posted by: lorim | July 19, 2019 at 03:52 PM
John, and Jenny,
My son had a very nasty flu last month too, here in Scotland, without going on a cruise! (I hope you were able to enjoy some of your cruise, Jenny.) I thought it was a strange time of year - we never used to get flu in summer even this far north. It's either because of climate change, or more likely the vaccine interference.
Posted by: Grace Green | July 19, 2019 at 03:04 PM
John,
Here at least they talk about "summer colds" and "summer flu." I had the flu in August four years ago: fever of 104 F for two days and 103 for one more day: I heard that many schoolkids were getting it: it was the first week of school, and they considered delaying the start of school for that reason. C had a summer flu in August 2007, and gave it to me: it was what precipitated her bowel disease. (Probably from the stored mercury.) We've never had a flu shot, fewer vaccines than most overall, and none in many years.
Posted by: cia parker | July 19, 2019 at 02:55 PM
Hi John - Apparently we caught a late evolved strain of swine flu. Yes June is not usually a month associated with flu outbreaks, but this virus is unpredictable and is known to evolve quickly. Before embarking on a cruise ship, a lengthy health form needs to be completed and signed. Anyone observed coughing won't get on the ship. We caught the virus from a healthy looking couple sitting beside us at dinner on the first night. They were incubating it. It did not manifest in us until the last days, by which time everyone on the ship seemed to be coughing!
We are recovering well from the post flu debility and our immune systems will have been boosted. I don't buy that stuff about vaccines destroying pre-existing immunity in persons our age, but I agree childrens' natural immunity has been diminished by the range of vaccines now demanded by government health regulations.
As for Trump's new flu vaccine. At the moment it's just another of his big ideas. Whether or not it becomes a reality is anyone's guess, but it won't happen without research funding. Vaccine manufacturers are perfectly happy with the status quo which is very profitable as it is.
Posted by: Jenny Allan | July 19, 2019 at 02:12 PM
I think we have to be very careful about condemning all vaccine initiatives whether instigated by Trump, Gates or whoever. Any improvement in vaccines is to be welcomed, whatever your view on vaccines in general. I am very pleased monovalent measles vaccine mini patches are being trialled. This HAS to be better than MMR vaccine.
Posted by: Jenny Allan | July 19, 2019 at 09:16 AM
I don't !
The Flu vaccine is an outright fraud and I am surprised at ANYONE on here who says otherwise !
JDS I think you know better !
Posted by: Hans Litten | July 19, 2019 at 02:00 PM
Hi Jenny
Of course, there are few enthusiastic takers for flu vaccine on these pages. A couple of thoughts - one is that if you had flu it is still relatively unlikely to be vaccine strain. The other is that having had the vaccines in previous years it may have reduced your immunity to other strains. Then again it seems an odd time of year for all this.
Posted by: John Stone | July 19, 2019 at 01:27 PM
As John Stone and I have pointed out going back 10 years here on AoA, "Flu deaths" actually cited on death certificates (each year) in the U.S. and the UK vary from about 30 to 300 and somewhat higher in specific years; with the great majority of deaths being the elderly (who by the way, are vaccinated up to 75% participation).
The Flu Vaccine Industry, promoted and espoused by our criminal CDC/NIH, depends on fear-mongering and endless promotions for one of THE most toxic vaccines, the vaccine itself causing immense injury and even death that is actually quite common, as per the U.S, VAERS adverse reactions reporting (and the VAERS system admits that only about 1% of adverse reactions are reported).
Since the worthless/toxic flu vaccine is perhaps the biggest cornerstone promoting vaccine compliance, its alleged virtues (and hidden carnage) will be endlessly touted by the Vaccine Cabal.
Posted by: david m burd | July 19, 2019 at 12:43 PM
Another sign of their desperation is that their "evidence" that vaccines are the best thing since sliced bread consists in quoting that famed scientist, Donald Tump, that the kiddos gotta get their shots. Grimly hilarious.
Posted by: Gary Ogden | July 19, 2019 at 11:42 AM
Regardless of the amount of factual basis this has, it is clearly a sign of desperation by pharma that the propaganda has become so blatant. How many times did Politico use the word "conspiracy" in this piece? Methinks this is an ad hominem which has lost its sting. Americans are not a bunch of stupid sheep, as the media wishes, and has worked very hard to make a reality. Reading about the Gilets Juanes in the current "Harpers" is heartening. Portrayed by the sucking-up-to-the-elites media both in France and here as a right-wing mob of boobs, they are instead very much like us. As far as I know their grievances do not include vaccine mandates, although they may, but are mainly about things which concern us all-government overreach, control, and growing inequality. Seems to me the only way we're going to stop this madness is public protest. Refusal. A sliver of hope in litigation (thanks you, RFK, Jr., and others, for this), but only a sliver.
Posted by: Gary Ogden | July 19, 2019 at 11:07 AM
%^%$#@@*&^ TRUMP and #@%^&*$% POLITICO
Posted by: michael | July 19, 2019 at 10:06 AM
I'm recovering from the flu. OK - my own fault, I wasn't vaccinated, but my husband WAS. Whatsmore he had the super duper over 65s adjuvanted version, rolled out in Scotland last autumn. It was supposed to be more 'effective' DUH!
I was not at all keen on being injected with Squalene -the adjuvant in the notorious GSK Pandemrix swine flu vaccine, which caused widespread narcolepsy, so I wrote to my GP asking for the bog standard flu vaccine I got last year, single dose, no mercury. I never heard back. The problem is GPs only get paid for the vaccinations recommended by the Government. I don't blame them. In the event we both caught flu during a June cruise, almost certainly. H1N1 swine flu, in spite of stringent anti infection measures on board. The 'super-adjuvanted' flu vaccine was as much good as a hole in the head.
Trump is demanding improvements to flu vaccines, which by any standards are failing badly. The flu we got is stated to be a 'late strain' of swine flu, for which the vaccine was ineffective. Previous to that, figures for February 2019 implied a flu vaccine efficacy of around 29%. I think the previous year efficacy was less than 17%. Trump wants vaccine manufacturers to produce a 'systemic' flu vaccine, which would provide immunity to a range of flu viral strains. As yet such a vaccine has still to be developed and I understand funding is still to be obtained, but Trump has been in talks with Bill Gates.
I think we have to be very careful about condemning all vaccine initiatives whether instigated by Trump, Gates or whoever. Any improvement in vaccines is to be welcomed, whatever your view on vaccines in general. I am very pleased monovalent measles vaccine mini patches are being trialled. This HAS to be better than MMR vaccine.
Posted by: Jenny Allan | July 19, 2019 at 09:16 AM
Not so fast Mr President 1 in 3 of your votes rely on us let your feet do the voting..moneys no good if you haven`t your health Mr President do the maths.
https://health.good.is/articles/trump-is-an-anti-vaxxer
"There are more than a few fringe groups that have been emboldened by the election of Donald Trump as president of the United States. Racists, people with close financial ties to Russia, and anti-vaxxers all have a seat at the table in Trump’s oval office. Back in August, Trump met with a group of anti-vaccination donors and, according to people in the meeting, Trump agreed to watch an anti-vaccination documentary which has been roundly debunked by the scientific community.
This wasn’t Trump’s first brush with the anti-vaxxer movement, in 2014, he tweeted his belief that vaccines cause autism."
Pharma For Prison
MMR RIP
Posted by: Angus Files | July 19, 2019 at 06:46 AM
As with many other countries, the drug lords own the government of the United States. Citizens are expected to become addicted to whatever they are selling.
The big banks like to trash harmless countries and then loan out a new currency for them to rebuild, which can take 100 years and then they are bombed out again.
Telling the truth will soon be made illegal. The government gets to hide the truth of whatever they want. It is not safe to mess with this system.
Posted by: go Trump | July 19, 2019 at 06:36 AM
I am hopeful this is more FAKE NEWS by a reliable outlet for FAKE NEWS … "Politico" .. whose article began by referring to nine UNDENTIFIED individuals who claimed Trump has embarked on an effort to "give US flu vaccine production a shot in the arm" .. followed by comments of four UNIDENTIFIED individuals who embellished on Trump's "strategy" .. which was followed by comments of three UNIDENTIFIED individuals .. all built upon the unsupported/unverified claim "Trump was swayed on the issue by a conversation he had in early 2018 with Bill Gates".
The only thing missing from this article would be Politico's usual claim .. THE RUSSIANS DID IT .. THE RUSSIANS DID IT .. THEY .. NOT BILL GATES .. ARE BEHIND TRUMP'S REVERSAL ON VACCINES.
At least that is my hope .. but .. in any event … TRUMP MUST EITHER VERIFY OR REJECT POLITICO'S ARTICLE AS FAKE NEWS. IGNORING POLITICO'S ARTICLE WILL SEVERELY DAMAGE TRUMP'S COMMITTMENT TO PROVIDE A COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE SAFE AND EFFICIENT VACCINES … AS HE PROMISED DURING THE CAMPAIGN. EITHER WAY .. HOPEFULLY .. POLITICO'S ARTICLE WILL FORCE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES TO TAKE A PUBLIC POSITION ON VACCINES .. IS THE SCIENCE SETTLED OR ARE THERE MANY AREAS WHERE THE SCIENCE IS GREATLY LACKING.
Posted by: Bob Moffit | July 19, 2019 at 06:32 AM