Hi N Davis,
It does seem that any time there is an environmental gene combination, one could say "it began in the womb" Peanut butter allergy? Well,technically, it began in the womb, with an increased chance of susceptibility to food allergens...However, without actually ingesting peanut butter; no problem. In fact any response to toxicity at all could be said to have "begun in the womb" .. and thanks to Grace Green for a very clear description of the multiple ways people can develop autism. Surely you knew this though. you know an autism diagnosis is based on a list of symptoms; surely you know the same symptom( think headaches ) can have multiple causes. Similarly, social , play and speech impairment ( which is basically how autism is diagnosed) can have multiple causes.
https://iancommunity.org/cs/autism/dsm_iv_criteria

Interesting articles too on cytokines and autism; thank you Carol!

N Davis; Guess what the flu shot given during pregnancy does?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28991404

From the article
CONCLUSIONS:
Serum cytokines changed rapidly following TIV and generally peaked at 24 hours. Trivalent influenza vaccine-induced reductions in IL-8 occurred later (44 hours) and were sustained for 2 weeks.

So basically the flu shot is causing an immune reaction in the womb that is linked with autism.
Out of interest, how do you personally feel about the flu shot being given in pregnancy, N Davis?

N_Davis

So why if you are concerned about the early development of the foetus would you vaccinate their mothers?

https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4454/rr-0

N_Davis

I didn’t drag up the quotation, I simply quoted it. In fact, your more recent quote sounds like the identical incoherent bluster that came from David Amaral you were defending here a couple of years ago. It couldn’t be that your web name has anything to do with the MIND Institute, Davis California by any chance?

https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/02/experts-respond-to-dr-david-amaral-mind-institute.html

And btw for several years now we have been vaccinating pregnant women and the autism rates have continued to soar. In fact, that is exactly what I said in February 2017.

I don’t understand why Amaral and Collins cannot come up with a better story, except that there isn’t one.

@Grace Green

FWIW, since John dredged up a quotation from NIH Director Francis Collins, you might be interested in a more recent statement. On 13 June 2018 Dr. Collins wrote this:

"Research shows that the roots of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) generally start early—most likely in the womb. That’s one more reason, on top of a large number of epidemiological studies, why current claims about the role of vaccines in causing autism can’t be right."

"....Specifically, the science establishes the following:
1) Maternal immune activation (MIA) causes a cytokine surge in the fetal brain. Its the cytokine surge that causes brain injury.
2) The brain can be injured by immune activation postnatally, with no maternal involvement.
3) Brain development is a continuous process through gestation, birth, and infancy. The brain grows enormously during infancy. The developmental processes occurring after birth can be disrupted by immune activation.
4) Vaccine adverse reactions stimulate high cytokine production. Normal vaccine response does not cause brain injury. It’s the unusual vaccine adverse reactions that cause brain injury and autism....

Case Series, DeLong 1981: This report describes 3 previously-normal children, ages 5(F), 7.5(M) and 11(F) that developed autism due to brain inflammation from an infectious illness.

Case Report, Marques, 2013: This report describes a previously healthy 32-month old girl that suffered a viral infection of the nervous system. The child experienced 'marked developmental regression, autistic features, persistent stereotypes and aphasia' (aphasia=loss of speech).

Case Report, Ghaziuddin, 2002: This report describes a previously healthy 11 year old boy that developed illness with fever, seizure and brain inflammation. In the following months, the child developed autism, and never fully recovered.

Review, Libbey, 2005: This review describes the prior case reports of infection-induced brain inflammation causing autism. At the time this review was written in 2005, immune activation was increasingly suspected as a cause of autism. The authors make the obvious connection between cytokines and infection.

10 years of intense research since the Libbey review paper has firmly established that brain inflammation and cytokines (specifically IL-6 and IL-17a) cause autism. It is no longer debatable whether cytokines cause autism. Cytokines definitely cause autism.

The above case reports demonstrate that the human brain of older children can be injured by immune activation and cytokine surges. The human brain remains vulnerable for many years, though the evidence shows that sensitivity declines with age. The argument by vaccine advocates that the human brain is vulnerable to immune activation only while in the womb-i.e., that maternal involvement is necessary-is contradicted by the above case reports. The human brain can suffer brain injury from cytokines without any maternal involvement whatsoever."

http://vaccinepapers.org/postnatal-immune-activation/

John Stone, you might be interested in this recent article, which reviews the “genetic, genomic, cellular, postmortem, animal model, and cell model evidence that shows ASD begins in the womb.”

Eric Courchesne, Tiziano Pramparo, Vahid H. Gazestani, Michael V. Lombardo, Karen Pierce & Nathan E. Lewis. The ASD Living Biology: from cell proliferation to clinical phenotype. Molecular Psychiatry, volume 24, pages 88–107 (2019)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-018-0056-y

Note that information regarding the prenatal origin of autism was discovered in the years since Francis Collins made the statement that you like to quote “all those years ago.”

N_Davis;

Exactly what Grace Green said.

Benedetta, could you please coherently explain why Kim's unvaccinated daughter developed ASD? Thanks.

N_Davis, I think your remarks about Deisher are an excellent example of libel. I will offer them up to my local law school. Is that all you have got, personal attacks? ASD is a bogus diagnosis that will be replaced with medical diagnoses, under the umbrella of encephalopathy, when the breadth and scale of poisoning is revealed in the coming decades. If you are a researcher, perhaps you know there are several chemical exposures that can cause "autism-like symptoms". Vaccines with aluminum are not the only source, they just happen to dominate the field because they are injected into the blood stream. Antimony in car seats and crib mattresses is high on the list. Prior to 1986, clinical protocols existed that automatically exempted those with eczema from vaccination - do you know why? Please explain, why was thimerisol removed from childhood vaccines?

N_Davis

You know perfectly well there are no autism genes. All those years ago Francis Collins made the point - there may be genetic susceptibility, and Collins recommended research into epigenetics. As it is all these years on under his guidance zero official progress has been made over identifying what environmental insults might combine with some genetic disposition to trigger autism apart from an interesting admission by Julie Gerberding over the Poling case. But could it just be that the NIH has conflicts with industrial partners, let alone what (criminal) negligence would be revealed if they ever did discover anything?

May I echo the estimable Don Alhambra’s call that you make available to readers your epochal doctoral thesis.

Benedetta, Kim could have cleared this up years ago with a few buccal swabs and the genetic tests that would have cost her nothing but which could have helped others. If she wanted to understand what had happened to her family I suppose that she would have done that.

Unfortunately (although I don't read here often, so you and Kim might recall this more accurately) Kim seemed to blame her children's diagnoses on thimerosal or mercury, to the extent that I think that she suggested that her own thimerosal-containing vaccines or mercury-containing dental amalgams were responsible for her unvaccinated daughter's ASD. Of course that has been thoroughly refuted by research that was only published after Kim's claims. (FWIW, Kim's stance was in line with Mark Blaxill's early but since-repudiated position: the prevalence of ASD did not decrease with diminishing exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines.)

Clearly Deisher, and Sharyl Attkisson are way out of N_Davis reach and so he puts them down, but not for the work they have done because they just might be conservative, anti abortion, probably Republicans deep down some where too, Oh, and probably Christian on top of it all too, and what is their ethnic background? Oh, give me a break.

Meanwhile: Puzzling that he wrote a paper and cannot use the right words to describe to us that he thinks Kim and her husband were carriers of two recessive alleles, that all three of their children inherited every time that the genes were shuffled about. Never showed up before in either one of their families, but showed up big time this time around cause these two clearly had the recessive genes going on.

Never mind that all such genetic searches have ended with finding nothing. He does not know that? I guess he has been Hiding under a big pharma, troll rock?

Gary and Hera, Here is the website with the status of SB 276 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB276

N_ Davis;

Google Inflammation, pregnancy, autism: even add pubmed if you wish and see what you get.

Vaccination is driving even the young mother's immune system toward reacting by inflammation.

You got the big heavy post hole digger thesis; maybe they went on ahead and gave you the degree in digging too? Sooooo, I am sure you can dig around, but the genetic hole has been dug and dug, and if we want to get a fence around autism, time to listen to what parents are saying, and dig where they suggest. Kim knows much more the details about her life, and her babies than you know; agreed? Yeah you have to give it that, no way around it.

I myself had a DPT vaccine during my second pregnancy and lost that child. There was a great deal that began to happen with my health after that miscarriage, that at the time I blamed on the miscarriage, but I should have blamed the DPT vaccine. Why did I miscarry, I asked? They gave me some kind of stats on how often miscarriages happen, like that explained it perfectly why a good healthy fetus just up and died at 4.5 months along. A few months later I developed IBS, anemia, hay fever from hell, and by the third pregnancy I did had a healthy baby boy with great AGAP scores, but a bad case of colic and he reacted to each and every DPT vaccine beginning with a heart swelling up like a boot ------ and onward. Details N_Davis, details, it is all in the details.

N_Davis

Can you direct us to somewhere where we can read your thesis?

Happy Birthday !

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We were alert to the dangers of Big Bad Bombs! but uninformed about the toxic fall-out risks of Vioxx and Vaccines !
How many folk has Stanly Plotkin trained over the past decades to be his "wee ninny me's protege's"
Off the ethical and moral richter scale with it ,aye right off-it ! Plotkins protege's -next generation pluckers of vaccine exemptions from basic informrd consent ? while still parroting the slogan all vaccines are safe and effective ?

John Stone wrote, "It is impossible to see how one set of findings could be refuted by another set."

No, John. That's exactly how science works.

Laura Hewitson, who led several deeply flawed preliminary studies with woefully inadequate controls, agreed with her co-authors that the much larger study emphatically refuted both her earlier work and the position taken by SafeMinds, despite that organization's obvious disappointment that a study that it supported showed its position to be so wrong. That's been clear for years.

Carol: The Hep B vaccines are most certainly Al adjuvanted. While it may be impossible to know what ingredients or combinations harmed Miss G, the ones licensed today contain:
Engerix-B contains aluminum hydroxide
Recombivax contains both potassium aluminum sulfate and (the worst, a Merck proprietary, also present in Gardakil) amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate
Twinrix (Hep A/Hep B) contains both aluminum phosphate and aluminum hydroxide
Added to the 12.5 mcg of Hg she received, as Boyd Haley has shown in vitro, the toxicity is multiplied. She may have received more Hg, as it doesn't mix too well with the other ingredients; perhaps they didn't shake the vial between doses? A crime against humanity doing this to tiny babies, or any other living thing. Mr. President we are trying to get your attention. I have no doubt you are sincere in wanting to Make America Great Again. We can't do that if we poison every single child for no other reason than to enhance the revenue stream. That is the main driver of what is quaintly called "health care."

Aimee, Cia and Grace--As I recall didn't they like Jay Leno and media mock Stella Liebeck. I may not recall and should look it up, but I think she never fully recovered from physical and emotional injuries. Once again there was a pervasive false narrative which served McDonalds

Hera: That information was posted on Wednesday on Vaccine Impact News. I've searched in vain on the Assembly website to find information. I know there is a way to find up-to-date info there, but I've forgotten how. The committee meets on Monday, so the vote was taken on the 8th. Lorena Gonzalez is chair; can't remember if she's on our team or not. Frank Bigelow is vice-chair. Pretty sure he's on our team, since he's Republican. With SB 277, the only Republican to vote in favor lost her seat in the following primary. I despise the political parties. Too many voters pay attention to only the political party when they vote, as Josh Coleman has so graphically shown us.

N_Davis

It is impossible to see how one set of findings could be refuted by another set, and there were major anomalies in the reporting of the second set.

https://safeminds.org/previous-activities/safeminds-review-of-vaccine-safety-and-autism-like-outcomes-in-a-non-human-primate-model-identifies-distortion-in-public-reporting-and-argues-need-for-full-disclosure-of-research-documents/

As Francis Collins told Congress in 2006 the autism epidemic “must be due to changes in the environment” (and he spent the next 13 years not looking for them while our child population disintegated).

https://www.ageofautism.com/2009/11/iaccs-dr-francis-collins-gives-the-game-away-on-autism.html

Why don’t you get yourself gene tested for malice?

The deeply flawed study that you cited (with only 2--or perhaps 3!--animals in the control group) was thoroughly refuted by Hewitson's own later work:

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/40/12498

Hewitson and her co-authors concluded: "No behavioral changes were observed in the vaccinated animals, nor were there neuropathological changes in the cerebellum, hippocampus, or amygdala. This study does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines and/or the MMR vaccine play a role in the etiology of autism."

You should consider enrolling in a genetic study: your family's history strongly suggests that you have a de novo mutation that you passed on to your daughters and that their condition is therefore unrelated to vaccination, and understanding that mutation and how it determined your daughters' conditions could help others.

Parker; I am so very sorry. Such a sad thing to cause a brain injury and take away a child's future.

@Cia - actually, she did not get several million dollars.

We studied the "hot coffee" case in torts in law school, and there are a lot of misconceptions about it. The elderly woman (Stella Liebeck, age 79) suffered third degree burns (yes, the coffee was that hot) on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent. She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. During this period, she lost 20 pounds (nearly 20% of her body weight), reducing her to 83 pounds She underwent skin grafting, and needed two additional years of medical treatment. I've seen photographs of the burns. They were horrific.

Originally she just asked McDonalds for $20,000 to cover her medical bills; McDonalds offered $800 and the case went to trial. The New Mexico jury had used the principles of comparative negligence to reach its verdict and found that McDonald's was 80% at fault and Liebeck was 20% at fault. The jury awarded her $2.86 million, but the trial judge reduced the amount to $640,000. It was further reduced to under $600,000, since McDonalds threatened to appeal, and both parties reached a confidential settlement.

As we well know, the media never tell the full story.

By the way, good news from the California Assembly: the Appropriations Committee has sent SB 276 to the suspension file, where bills are usually sent to die. Birthday present for Miss G! Seems all the amendments the governor finagled out of Pan to protect the children of his wealthy pals would greatly increase costs-whoda thunk! It could be revived at the end of August, but I say we hold the funeral forthwith.

Similar for us. So Gianna was born the year Ben Converse was: he was given the hep-B vaccine at birth without the knowledge or permission of his parents, and also reacted with screaming syndrome, inability to nurse, and autism.

When my daughter was born on May 5, 2000, I knew and told the future pediatrician a month before she was born that I did not want her to get the hep-B vaccine as I had read it often caused autism. That was a year after the congressional safety hearings on the hep-B vaccine which found that it was very dangerous and should not contain mercury. However, the encephalitic screaming syndrome and the mercury toxicity are two separate reactions, and my daughter reacted with both, Merck having only promised not to continue making Recombivax with mercury, but actually continuing to sell its already-existing mercury-containing stock until its expiration date several years later. In addition to the encephalitic screaming syndrome for four days and nights, she also reacted with a rash all over her body, sweating all over her head, even in cool rooms, and copious drooling for ten years.

My mother told the pediatrician about the horrible screaming, and he asked if it went on for over three hours a day. She said Much, much more than that. His only response was: Well, my older daughter had colic too, but it isn't a real physical condition anyway. In Judy's case, when she finally got the attention of medical "professionals," they panicked, said Ben was near death, and he must have meningitis, tested him for it, but he did not have meningitis. He had copious diarrhea, and on seeing it, a medical "professional" said it must be a chemical reaction to an ingredient used in making Pamper's. Not a single, f- clue as to what it really was.

Judy, Mike Belkin (daughter killed by this vaccine), and school nurse Patti White testified at the congressional hearing, and their powerful testimony is easily available online. White testified that it was the hep-B vaccine, introduced for ALL newborns in the US in 1991, which had single-handedly created the autism epidemic, first visible in 1996 when the first brain-damaged cohort started kindergarten. Of course any vaccine can cause autism from the hyperinflammatory response of the immune system of many people to any vaccine, and of course the MMR and DTaP have been especially guilty, but I think the hep-B vaccine given in the first 24 hours after birth which has been the most culpable.

The shills are constantly asking why I hadn't rushed my newborn to the hospital when she screamed literally all night every night for four nights (and days). Well, sixteen hours a day, roughly, she fell into a deep, drugged stupor for eight hours a day, but as soon as she opened her eyes, she started to scream again.

All I can say is that I didn't know. I had never heard of vaccine encephalitis, and did not know then that the constant, inconsolable screaming is the major diagnostic sign. She was healthy before the screaming started Tuesday evening and after it stopped Saturday afternoon. She lost one pound two ounces in the first two days of the screaming, in too much pain to eat, but quickly gained it back. The doctor brushed it off as colic, which never occurs in the first week of life, but follows a rule of three: screaming at least three hours a day, starting not earlier than the third week of life, and ending by the third month of life. But that was only nine years after the hep-B program for newborns had started, and not even doctors knew the symptoms. But now, of course, my daughter is severely brain-damaged for life. Remember that woman who got several million dollars for spilling hot coffee from MacDonald's on herself? You can see why the vaccine industry is running scared, but the more and the longer they lie, the more are damaged and the deeper the hole they are digging for themselves.

Happy Happy Birthday beautiful Miss G.!!!

Happy birthday, Miss G!

I am so sorry Kim. What a beautiful photo of you and Gianna at birth.