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Rockland County New York Quarantine Makes British Medical Journal

Davey MeaslesOur John Stone works tirelessly to keep a voice of reason in the BMJ rapid responses.  This week, he was able to comment on the Rockland County Quarantine of healthy children during a measles outbreak. The Monty Python troupe could not have created a more bizarre skit than the Rockland County Inquisition currently underway. Thank you, John.

Re: US county bars unvaccinated children from public spaces amid measles emergency

Measles is not identified by the US government as a disease which requires quarantining [1], yet now Rockland County are quarantining children and young people who do not have measles to protect other children who are supposed to be protected anyway [2]. No evidence is presented about the vaccination status of either those who have caught or passed on the disease. There was a time when almost everyone had natural immunity because they had caught the diseases as a child, but now many will have waning or failed immunity because of the inefficacy of the vaccine [3], and all we can do is vaccinate more with the inevitability that measles will still keep popping up. This is at least very good news for the manufacturers.

[1] https://www.hhs.gov/answers/public-health-and-safety/what-diseases-are-s...

[2] Janice Hopkins Tanne, ' US county bars unvaccinated children from public spaces amid measles emergency'
BMJ 2019; 364 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l1481 (Published 28 March 2019)

[3] Rosen JB, Rota JS, Hickman CJ, Sowers SB, Mercader S, Rota PA, Bellini WJ, Huang AJ, Doll MK, Zucker JR, Zimmerman CM., 'Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011', Clin Infect Dis. 2014 May;58(9):1205-10. doi: 10.1093/cid/ciu105. Epub 2014 Feb 27.

Competing interests: No competing interests

Comments

greyone

Kirsten Gillebrand issued her support for Rockland banning healthy, unexposed children from public places.
She supports jailing parents who follow their conscientious religious beliefs.

Shelley Tzorfas

Protests Erupt Over Unvaccinated Child Ban In NY Suburb

unvaccinated ban protest
POSTED BY: VAXXTER STAFF 03/31/2019
Last week, health officials in a suburban New York county banned the unvaccinated from public spaces. Under the state of emergency, unvaccinated children are no longer welcome in public areas due to the threat of measles. The ban has caused a number of protest throughout Rockland County. Some parents are fighting school policies, as well, as the vaccine war continues to get worse.

Lainie Goldstein told the Journal News that her child was asked to not return to school until he receives the MMR vaccine. The MMR vaccine, in part, includes the measles vaccine.

“I feel like I am being bullied right now to go get vaccinations,” she told the paper. Goldstein was one of 10 parents at a local pediatrician’s office around noon to get their children vaccinated.

Parents packed the Palisades Center mall in West Nyack in protest of the unvaccinated child ban. The protest was named “Rockland County — Unvaccinated Civil Disobedience,” on Facebook’s events.

“This is about healthy people being quarantined and barred from public places,” Rita Palma of Long Island, one of the women who gathered at the mall this morning, told the paper. “People have a right to choose for their own children and make their own decisions.”

Some news outlets are calling the measles outbreak a “crisis.”

Protests are expected to continue over the course of the next 25 days as the ban continues.

susan welch

Great letter, Bob. I hope it does get printed although, like you, I suspect it won't.

Benedetta

Thank you Pogo. Some thing to think about.

Tonya Prim

The following story appeared on CNBC today celebrating the fact that Rockland County has been so successful at bullying people into getting vaccinated.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/29/rockland-county-exec-says-ban-on-unvaccinated-minors-is-working.html

I would like another journalist to challenge Michelle Fox on her lack of anything resembling true journalism. I have NOT been trained in journalism myself, but anyone with some amount of intelligence and logic can see that there are so many things missing from this "report". Here are a few questions I have.
#1 Why are you celebrating the fact that a government official used such drastic measures to quell resistance against his agenda?
#2 How much of this is a true increase? In other words, how many of these kids were due or almost due for their shots and would have gotten them within the next month or so without this push?
#3 Did children who were too young (by previous standards) to be vaccinated get vaccinated? (And we hear from John Stone that, yes, they did.)
#4 Was any child vaccinated with a second shot that wasn't due yet?
#5 Were children that were ill vaccinated?
(Questions #3-5 would show that this push went too far medically in addition to the obvious breach of personal liberty.)
#6 Were parents truly informed of both the risks and the benefits of vaccination?
#7 How many of these vaccinations were children? How many were adults? How many were initial shots? How many were boosters?
Michelle Fox is not a journalist at all, but just a mouthpiece for the pharmaceutical industry and government.

Pogo

This may be a supporting log to grasp at rather than a straw.

Many, many moons ago when I was studying philosophy, I read how Indian Fakirs used breathing exercises to enable them to stay immersed in ice-cold water and perform other masochistic like feats. So I wasn’t surprised that a Dutchman had rediscovered the technique. As Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBO) appears helpful to some with Autism, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (my main interest when it comes to immunology) and other immune disorders, I had been wondering for some time, if this would also reset the part of the brain which controls blood pH in the way that HBO is thought to but hopefully quicker. Apparently it does just this, by some accounts and for less cost ($ 0) than a HBO session.

Even better... It is thought that the technique leads to increased production of anti-inflammatory mediators. As a proof-of-principle study by scientists (with no conflicting interests I note) took 12 healthy volunteers and injected them with 2 ng/kg Escherichia coli endotoxin and matched them against 12 controls. Unfortunately, they did not measure leukocytes CD3, CD4, and CD8 etc., which is what I’m most interested in. Yet the results were impressive (Oh OK. Ruddy amazing considering the poison! But I don’t like to overplay things). I think it ‘may’ be applicable as a promising emergency addition in the treatment of Serious Adverse Vaccine Reactions and hopefully painful MMR induced Enteropathies. He too has subjected himself as a guinea-pig for several other experiments under controlled conditions which I consider to be so masochistic that he needs locking away for his own good. All with positive results however.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034215/
Their conclusion:
“These results could have important implications for the treatment of conditions associated with excessive or persistent inflammation, such as autoimmune diseases.”

What prompted me to post this, was as I was googling around to find out the latest news on ME/CFS, I discovered that this technique is already being used by a few ‘non-neurotypical’ people including those with Autism. They have found the technique useful for reducing the stress and anxiety which can go hand-in-hand with these conditions, together with making them feel more connected. Sounds like a win win or too good to be more than just more hype.
Still. You can make your own minds up. Here are a couple of related chat-room discussions about it.
https://www.autismforums.com/threads/a-technique-that-could-help-anyone.23651/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neurodiversity/comments/8bh1o6/wim_hof_method_to_support_and_allow/
If anyone finds this technique useful please pass your experiences on.
Note: It is important to first become familiar with his safety instructions, to avoid blackouts before trying them yourselves.

Linda1

We've seen this coming for years and now that it is here, it is still unbelievable. From the persecution, to the complete ignorance and apathy of a brain dead population, what a disgrace.

Bob Moffit

The following is my letter to Rockland County Journal News regarding a front page story about edict banning unvaccinated under the age of 18 from public places. If history is my guide .. I suspect my letter will not be printed in the newspaper but relegated to an "online" site that is far less read.
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Rockland County Executive Ed Day claimed the "number of measles vaccines given in Rockland in the three days since his state of emergency, which bans unvaccinated children under 18 years of age from public places, including schools, places of worship, shopping centers and restaurants, has jumped, therefor is proof of his ban's success in tackling the County's measles outbreak."

With all due respect for the good intentions of Day, I don't think using government coercion to deprive parents of their humanitarian right to "informed consent", which is based upon the Nuremberg Code .. as a direct result of the infamous Nuremberg Trials following WWII, is something to be proud of. Consider .. the Nuremberg Code reads:

#1 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

This means that the person involved, say a parent of a child under 18, should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him/her to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his/her health or person, which may possibly come from his/her participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

With the Nuremberg Code in mind, to make an 'informed choice', parents must be made aware that, as of January 2, 2019, there have been 1,258 claims filed so far in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for 82 deaths and 1,176 injuries that occurred after measles vaccination. Of that overall number, the US Court of Claims administering the VICP has compensated 483 children and adults who have filed claims for measles vaccine injury. To date, since it's inception in 1986, the Vaccine Court has awarded 4 BILLION dollars in compensation awards for victims who suffered egregious injuries, including death, following vaccinations.

In addition, Executive Day should know the science on vaccines is far from "settled", and it will remain "unsettled", until an independent, scientific study of vaccinated v. unvaccinated populations is conducted, to ascertain once and for all if BOTH populations have suffered the same, inexplicable, dramatic increase in chronic autoimmune disorders/diseases, such as, autism, asthma, allergies including peanuts, juvenile type 1 diabetes and a whole host of other such maladies, that were far less common in all previous, less vaccinated, generations.

Therefore, Executive Day has a duty under Code 1 of Nuremberg to demand that "vaccinated v. unvaccinated" study be done before he takes coercive measures denying parents their humanitarian right to "informed consent".

Bob Moffit
Sloatsburg, New York

Shelley Tzorfas

In my Day, every child had Measles, Mumps and chicken pox safely. No one got injured from these simple childhood rashes and illnesses. Little children did not have cancers that could flood children's cancer hospitals or wings. I never saw a small child with cancer until the mid 1990's. What the media-owned by pharma does not tell you is that many measles cases occur in Vaccinated children. It is Vaccine created measles. I heard that around 74 cases in the benign Disneyland outbreak that CAUSED people to lose their philosophical and religious rights were vaccinated with MMR shots. Some Americans are actively looking for the hundreds of thousands or millions of Americans that supposedly Died from this rash or swollen glands as the news claims and so far the number is close to none. Since the MMR vaccine is made with aborted fetal cell DNA, it is considered to be a "Live" vaccine which can shed illness to others for 30-60 DAYS. Babies used to be protected by mothers who had measles from their mother's system but these young mothers who had multiple shots offer no natural protection to their offspring. It's funny how Aluminum, Mercury, Formaldehyde, animal and insect cells, polysorbate, peanut oils and other chemicals do not protect offspring..The difference is between night and DAY!

annie

Brilliant as always, thank you John Stone!!!!

Eagerly anticipating an Adam Schiff “You might think that’s OK” AoA style smack down over his moves to censor the voices of the parents of disabled children.

Angus Files

Non-vaxstigma soon be given leprosy bells to ring!

Superb answers and questions John I have been following it over the past weeks,several levels above me but get the drift.


Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

susan welch

John, once again thank you so much. As Pete says, 'dominating on the BMJ'. I hope he is right, too, about 'converting many important people'.

I've only been in this fight since the news of William Thompson came out in 2014. I know that so many of you have been in it for decades. Your knowledge, John especially, has been invaluable in teaching me the important points, so that I don't give out misinformation when 'doing battle', whether on social media or writing to people via 'snail mail'.

I have noticed that the voices on our side are getting more numerous and louder.

I just hope that the lid blows while I'm still around to see it.

Bob Moffit

Watched "press conference" held yesterday by Rockland County Supervisor Day .. attended by a gaggle of about 25 "reporters" .. none of whom seemed older than 30 .. scribbling furiously as they copied down the "Lecture' they were receiving from Supervisor Day and Rockland County health Commissioner .. on the Supervisor's ban of healthy children from public places because those healthy children are not vaccinated.

The Supervisor and Health Commissioner 'LECTURE' lasted about an hour .. absent any reference to from the gaggle present as to why so many in Rockland County have CHOSEN not to vaccinate their child? No challenge to any assertions of the lecturers .. none. No question whether or not a recently vaccinated child can "shed" the measles to an immunocompromised child? No question whether or not the adverse reactions to the vaccine are being provided to parents prior to pediatrician vaccinating the child? No question why the Vaccine Court has awarded 5 BILLION DOLLARS over the years to parents who child was severely injured .. including death … from vaccines .. if there is only 1 chance in a MILLION of this type of reaction occurring as the Supervisor insisted.

And so Supervisor Day .. frustrated that DECADES of desperately trying to PERSUADE parents to vaccinate their child .. has resorted to COERCION .. innocent healthy children denied attending public schools .. banning those unvaccinated from public places under threat of arrest or fines.

Instead of LECTURING the media on HIS reasons for resorting to COERCION .. the Supervisor should be .. and the media should be demanding … since he has all the evidence on his side .. it is HIS DUTY TO PERSUADE parents by listening .. in a PUBLIC FORUM NOT A PRESS CONFERENCE … to THEIR myriad of legitimate reasons for refusing to vaccinate their child.

We all know the Supervisor will NEVER engage in a public forum with those who are far more knowledgeable on the problems of vaccine policies .. just like we all know the PUBLIC HEALTH BUREAUCRACIES WILL NEVER ALLOW A TRULY SCIENTIFIC .. INDEPENDENT STUDY OF VACCINATED V. UNVACCINATED POPULATIONS .. WHICH WOULD DO WONDERS TO PERSUADE PARENTS THAT THE VACCINATED POPULATION IS FAR HEALTIER THAN THE UNVACCINATED POPULATION.

NAH .. NEVER HAPPEN .. MUCH EASIER TO COERCE THAN PURSUADE PARENTS

Pete

John's responses are world class as always, he's dominating on the BMJ and converting many important people there with his logic, reason and research.

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