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Hey there Julia, do you know anything about anything?

image from i.guim.co.ukby John Stone

The Guardian has been attacking charitable donations made to Age of Autism through the Amazon. Julia Carrie Wong, the journalist, seems to think she knows something about it.

"Age of Autism, for example, styles itself as the “daily web newspaper of the autism epidemic”. The site publishes a steady stream of content emphasizing the dangers of vaccination and promoting the discredited idea that autism is caused by “excessive vaccinations”. "

Well, Julia, perhaps you ought to take note that it was not Andrew Wakefield that said vaccines cause autism, it was the US government. Following the Hannah Poling award in 2008 Julie Gerberding, at the time Director for the centers for Disease Control, told Sanjay Gupta on CNN:

"Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."

On separate occasions the Health and Human Services Health Resources and Services Administration told journalists Sharyl Atkisson and David Kirby:

"The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures."

But while autism spins out of control and is now approaching unsustainable 3% of children in the UK, and the cost of autism to the community is beginning to outstrip that of old age it becomes ever more difficult to get any serious or sensible answers out of our health officials. I recently had an  exchange with the outgoing government Chief Medical Officer, Dame Sally Davis, asking her what the evidence base for MMR safety was and she could not cite anything more convincing than the new paper from the Danish State Serum Institute: a review of six weak and flawed papers the first of which was published 14 years after the MMR was added the schedule in the UK. She was unable to mention any pre-marketing studies, or studies against placebo - it was a very poor answer. The full correspondence has now been published under freedom of information.The new paper like three of the six papers in the review, shows a protective effect against autism,indicative of bias. It sets the autism rate at 1% when in the UK is near three times higher. It is hopelessly conflicted with vaccine industry and CDC attachments, just as the Guardian is.

So, Julia, what do you think your opinion is really worth?

John Stone is UK editor of Age of Autism.

 

Comments

Pete

Another site follows the Guardian’s lead

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/amazon-is-helping-people-donate-money-to-antivaxxers/

Age of Autism

As you can guess from the title, this is not a balanced look at the science of vaccines. The "science" section of their website contains unscientific claims that autism is caused by "excessive vaccinations". On the right-hand side of this nonsense, they display a link titled "Support Autism Age. When you shop at smile.amazon.com, Amazon donates."


annie

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1102616091799572481

It would seem Congressman Schiff has a problem practicing what he preaches regarding the uses of state powers.

Hera

Sorry about keeping on posting..
Here is the U.K criteria
https://iancommunity.org/cs/autism/icd10_criteria_for_autism

( also symptoms only, and imo a bit easier to read)

and a nice peer reviewed article talking about which criteria are used in which country..
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1529100617727266

Again, hope this is all useful for you,
All the best
Hera

Bill

We already know about "antibiotic resistant bacteria"....How long until we see vaccine-resistant viruses?....
How is the "danger" posed by an un-vaxxed person any different from the "danger" posed by an un-vaxxed person who is "immune compromised"? We know that "immune compromised persons" can't get forced-vaxxed, because that would endanger THEM. OK, fine. But if vaxxes actually offer the "protection" PhRMA and the media claim they do, how can THEY be "at risk" from the un-vaxxed?
And why are vaxxes PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT products, and **NOT** NON-PROFIT PUBLIC GOODS...????.... So, therefore, "vaccine mandates" are actually Government-FORCED purchase of private, for-profit products.... Even your "free flu shot" is PAID FOR, and PROFITS *SOMEBODY*....
Why won't The Guardian ever report on these questions?

Hera

Hi Double Aron,

Just to give a bit more context.

Mental health diagnoses in the USA are made based on a book called the DSM 5. ( the numbers change because the book gets updated from time to time.)

If a provider wants to get insurance coverage , they diagnose based on the DSM 5.

It was produced to provide a laundry list of symptoms so that everyone was more consistent in what the criteria to use was. So the lists are pretty easy to follow. At least one from section a, two from section b etc.

To explain further, when you are diagnosing a mental illness or a social impairment ( like autism), it is based on symptoms. For example, we know someone is schizophrenic because of the symptoms they display ( talking to people who aren't there, etc).There is no lab test for that either.

So the reality is, everyone who has done grad school psychology knows exactly what the DSM 5 is, and even as students, practices doing "diagnostic impressions"from case studies using it. ( you need to meet certain degree/licensing criteria to actually be able to "diagnose")
The criteria for autism are extremely well known, and if someone forgot, all it takes are a couple of minutes opening a book every grad student in psychology already owns..
That means all the professionals with a grad psychology degree out there already know that autism is diagnosed only by symptoms. it is not exactly rocket science.
So the question really is, who lied to you about it? And why are the thousands of people with psychology or psychiatry degrees who know bloody well that "having all the symptoms of autism" is exactly the same as "having autism" not daring to speak up about an obvious lie? And to follow up, exactly how trustworthy is someone who lies about something it takes five minutes to look up in a book?
By the way, if you live in the USA, you can easily check this out for yourself. Ask anyone you know who diagnoses autism: do you use DSM 5 criteria? Then if you don't want to use the link here, search for yourself on line on Diagnostic Statistical Manual, or even go to Barnes and Noble or a local library and look in the book for yourself.
If you are in the UK, I do some research on what is used there if you want..
Hope this is helpful to you.

Rtp

Double aron you talk about differential diagnosis which is interesting.

Can you explain the role, if any, that vaccine status plays in the ddx of so called vaccine preventable diseases?

Hera

Hi Double Aron,
Actually polite posters who disagree post here quite frequently, unlike the censoring of any person who discusses vaccine injury on many websites now. (Eindecker, for example, springs to mind.)
Wouldn't it be wonderful though,as a pharmaceutical manufacturer, to have both liability free protection ( as vaccine manufacturers now do) and also to be able to convince the world that anyone who is injured should be forced into silence. What product protection is that, hey?

Pity about the ones who are injured of course, but that is not really the manufacturers problem any more, is it?

It seems that we agree that encephalopathy can be caused by vaccines and can result in symptoms of autism?
By the way, the CDC does acknowledge encephalopathy as a table injury.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/d/injury-table.pdf

So that leads to the question of what autism actually is?
Autism is diagnosed only by a list of symptoms. There is no blood, lab or genetic test.It does not matter what the "cause" is, it is only diagnosed based on whether or not you meet the symptoms.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html
Here is a snap shot from the full criteria.

"Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers."

As you can see , if you have those symptoms, you have autism. Not just something " like autism" that is really something else. Kind of like if you have a stomach ache, or a headache. Cause does not matter, if you have the symptoms, ( pain in your stomach or your head, then you have a headache or stomach ache.)
So talking about symptoms of autism as if that is something different from autism, makes no sense, accept to try and hide harm that is being done.

Mark Wax

For decades the tobacco industry told everyone that all the cancer and death they caused was not "proof" that cigarette smoking was hazardous. It could be the man in the moon.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”- Upton Sinclair

Hans Litten

Crikey - looks like a set up to me but nevertheless, I have athletes foot which is a communicable condition - will they lock me up too .

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-man-criminally-charged-allegedly-breaking-measles-quarantine-go-gym-n979436

Wisconsin man charged with breaking measles quarantine to go to gym

It's unclear if the man had measles or was under quarantine because he had been exposed and had no proof of immunity.
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Welcome to the new U_nazi_ted States of America - has the world gone mad ?

Carol

As I understand it, an autism diagnosis is based on behavioral symptoms so if a certain number of those are there, the diagnosis will be autism. The person might also be diagnosed with comorbidities such as epilepsy.

susan welch

John, Brilliant article. Thank you for spelling it out so clearly.

Pete, thanks for the Twitter info. When I'm properly awake, I'll be on to it.

Although it is 'all guns blazing' from the media etc. at the moment, it does seem to have the effect of making people so mad, they are doubling their efforts. I've had a relative who previously kept very quiet, repost a video on Facebook. I've also had a FB post censored 'it goes against our community standards'. It was a list of research links which could, possibly, have had people thinking that, perhaps, the science is not settled.

Brings to mind 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley) and David and Goliath.

John, thank you so much for all you do.

Jenny Allan

@Double_a_r_0_n "I doubt we'll ever find common ground on this issue - what happened, and what the findings suggest, is that brain damage occurred that has the same symptoms as autism."

We have a saying in the UK:-
If it looks like a duck,
Waddles like a duck
and goes 'Quack Quack'
It probably IS a duck!!

John Stone

Double_a_r_0_n

No, we are talking about the vaccine induced events which caused autism. You would expect there to be an event followed by symptoms. If there was just an event and the patient got better there would be nothing to compensate. It is double speak.

PS I have used the phrase before when talking about this issue.

Double_a_r_0_n

Hi Jenny,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I am afraid that it is here that we are unable to agree, but I do better understand your position now, and for that, again, thank you.

John Stone

Pogo

I am not sure how many letters the CMO would get directly from the public, and she signed the letter. I was referring her to correspondence in on-line BMJ so it ought not to have been a casual letter.

Jenny Allan

@ Double_a_r_0_n "Dr. Sanjay Gupta says:"We don't know what causes autism - that's fair to say - we're not sure, in the scientific community, what causes autism. But we know that vaccines do not."
Ah yes - Dr Sanjay Gupta 'KNOWS', vaccines don't cause autism, but then he is paid to KNOW isn't he?

Lets look at the causes of encephalitis in children. Measles is one cause, very much trumpeted by those pushing MMR vaccines, but you have to look very carefully at the small print on the MMR vaccine insert to find this vaccine, can also cause encephalitis. In both cases this is stated to be rare. It's even rarer for parents to be informed about this risk before submitting their children for vaccinations. This is illegal, and goes against the universal requirement for informed consent.

It is officially admitted, encephalitis can result in permanent neurological damage, including 'autism like' symptoms, and children have been compensated for this in the US. In the UK, MMR vaccine damaged Robert Fletcher, was finally compensated after 18 years, when the UK Government was finally forced to admit the Urabe Mumps component was dangerous, causing viral meningitis, resulting in encephalitis. The award was derisory considering Robert's profound disabilities including autism.

I found plenty of government sponsored papers and articles about the causes and dangers of encephalitis in children, but vaccines were apparently airbrushed out of the causes. The best information came from a legal firm, specialising in vaccine compensation cases. They are very careful NOT to claim for autism, preferring the safer term 'neurological damage', which was also the basis for Robert Fletcher's compensation.
https://www.shannonlawgroup.com/library/vaccines-may-lead-to-encephalitis-in-some-cases.cfm
QUOTE :- "The Link Between Encephalitis and Vaccination
Most scientists refute the claim that vaccines can cause autism. However, it is generally acknowledged that vaccines do have the ability to cause brain damage of varying degrees in some patients. The onset of neurological illness after immunization, particularly developmental regression and seizures, has been widely recognized—and even the federal government offers compensation for cases of vaccine encephalopathy."

I will re-quote Sanjay Gupta here:-
Director for the centers for Disease Control, told Sanjay Gupta on CNN:
"Now, we all know that vaccines can occasionally cause fevers in kids. So if a child was immunized, got a fever, had other complications from the vaccines. And if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism."

Double_a_r_0_n

Hi John,

I was going to say that it was really cool that you allowed my comment through despite our difference of opinion, but I'm pretty sure you were just having a jab at my user name, right? Without actually engaging with what I said?

That's a shame.

Look - I can understand how you might think that "encephalopathy" is just Them (Big Pharma?) using a scapegoat or 'convenient' diagnosis in place of autism, but that's literally why differential diagnosis exists. Instead - and I doubt we'll ever find common ground on this issue - what happened, and what the findings suggest, is that brain damage occurred that has the same symptoms as autism.

As a completely random example, if someone has Mononucleosis and goes to the doctor, the doctor would also note that the symptoms they present with are very similar to the Flu.

And I think that's the big takeaway and where we part ways on explanation. I tend to accept the medical institution and doctors and scientists when they say that the MMR caused autism-like symptoms that wasn't actually autism - whilst you hold the position that it is.

If this gets approved, kudos to you! But in response feel free to engage with what I said.

Cheers!

Pogo

Can’t imagine she really read those replies written on her behalf for her to sign.
If she believes absence of ‘scientific evidence’ to be the same as ‘scientific poof’ of absence, then how comes she holds such a responsible position against a growing flood of ‘witness testimonies’ of statistically-impossible-temporal-coincidences? (that is a rhetorical question so does not require a answer). On that basis, the evidence against the accused is beyond all reasonable doubt.
Still, she has provided evidence of another sort… beyond all reasonable doubt she’s evidently talking nonsense (no-sense) .
The question I’d like to ask her is: How do you expect Jon & Mary Doe to have faith in evidence-based-medicine after reading your replies to JS’s letter? Would we notice any difference if your job was given to some needy homeless person who could also sign letters. Well Sally? You may reply here to save obtaining another FOI. You might also like to confer first with Darren Jones MP.
https://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/darren-jones/4621
He studied immunology (as you must know because I think you both sit on the UK’s Parliamentary House of Commons Science and Technology Committee) He might like to look at the science done on Aluminium Adjuvants. He also spoke out, about the harmful treatment offered by the NHS to those suffering from Myalgic Encephalomyelitis.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-01-24/debates/FA1BBC27-37A7-4BFD-A2C0-A58B57F41D4D/AppropriateMETreatment
(starts speaking at 4.31 in the debate)
To which vaccinations, are now being linked, to many cases of that immunological illness, which Dr. Chris Exley's first posited and now is being staved of funds

    to do worthwhile research and publish his data! Read Sally:

Failing to publish data from clinical trials presents risk to human health
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/science-and-technology-committee/news-parliament-2017/clinical-trials-transparency-report-publication-17-19/
And other researchers are producing more data on aluminium adujvants - matched against placebo. Now that you can’t deny - is scientific evidence!
Why do you continuously put the financial health of the pharmaceutical companies before our health, when pretending to do the opposite? You helping to create many victims and many enemies.

Above, Pharma seated in its tower,
I see Conquest depicted in its power
There is a sharpened sword of truth above their head
That hangs now by the thinnest simple thread.

(with apologies to Chaucer – Canterbury Tales)

John Stone

Double_a_r_0_n

I think you mean Double Speak.

Double_a_r_0_n

John, you said:

"Well, Julia, perhaps you ought to take note that it was not Andrew Wakefield that said vaccines cause autism, it was the US government. Following the Hannah Poling award in 2008 Julie Gerberding, at the time Director for the centers for Disease Control, told Sanjay Gupta on CNN"

But the actual transcript (from your own link!) has the following:

"GERBERDING: What we can say absolutely for sure is that we don't really understand the causes of autism. We've got a long way to go before we get to the bottom of this. But there have been at least 15 very good scientific studies on the Institute of Medicine who have searched this out. And they have concluded that there really is no association between vaccines and autism."

Also, from your own link in regards to Sharyl Atkisson, it states the following :

"But when autism or autistic symptoms are alleged as the primary brain damage, the cases are lost."

And,

"University of Pennsylvania's Dr. Brian Strom, who has served on Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety. He says the prevailing medical opinion is that vaccines are scientifically linked to encephalopathy, but not scientifically linked to autism."

Remember, these are from your own links.

And now we have even more scientific papers coming out concluding no link between MMR and autism - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/04/health/mmr-vaccine-autism-study/index.html - and from that link Dr. Sanjay Gupta says:

"We don't know what causes autism - that's fair to say - we're not sure, in the scientific community, what causes autism. But we know that vaccines do not."

Pft

New study touted as negating MMR -autism link. For some reason they did not look at vaccinated (est 95% vaccinated so roughly 600 K vaccinated vs unvaccinated -30 K)

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study

annie

Do you guys know who Billy Holiday is?
Hush, now, don’t you cry.
My dad Patrick Joseph OBrien, told me there are two reasons facts don’t get reported you’re not allowed to say, “they are not facts”.
The two reasons facts don’t get report are ignorance, or judgement.
Judgement is the most insidious
The facts just the facts, you brilliant amazing judgements folk!

R Prasad

Once great names Guardian, BBC, NYTimes, WaPo have morphed into propaganda media outfits funded by corporate shills. They always work for highest bidder. Corporate media is the biggest enemy of democracy. I don’t believe anything that comes out in MSM.

Pete

Here is her tweet with the responses which left her “super fascinated”

https://mobile.twitter.com/juliacarriew/status/1102921457200332802

Pete

An outstanding article as always John!

If anyone wants to try to educate technology reporter Julia very nicely about vaccines, you can find her Twitter account below, where you can comment under relevant tweets. Also I have posted her email which she makes freely available at the top of her Twitter account. If we are nice, maybe we can get her to listen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/juliacarriew?lang=en

julia.wong@theguardian.com

She is already showing surprise (“super fascinated”) at people not agreeing with her opinions https://mobile.twitter.com/juliacarriew/status/1103051123701641216

Angus Files

The witch hunt against the vaccine damaged continues.


Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

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