People. This is a LIVE vaccine. It replicated in his system due to his age. The chance of dying from the disease itself is 50%!

Barry,

So when is the last time you saw or heard of someone with natural measles, chickenpox, polio, or Hib disease? I TOTALLY agree that measles and chickenpox are GOOD diseases for almost everyone to catch, preferable as children. It was a BIG mistake to prevent them with vaccines. But as to whether the vaccines worked to prevent the diseases, yes, indeedy, they certainly did, and now virtually no one gets them. The theory of vaccines is correct and it usually works in practice. The Gambia had 1,700 people out of 8,000 with yellow fever die of it in 1978. Then a massive vaccination campaign that very year. Just one case in 1979 and none since, except for the unvaxxed Belgian woman who caught it there in 2002 and died of it. You think yellow fever just totally disappeared and would have done so even without the vaccination? It was just one rogue monkey who somehow got it and gave it to the woman? And even though it continued in all the surrounding countries? You think it's MUCH preferable to agonize for a week or two with yellow fever, vomiting, diarrhea, hemorrhaging, fever, organs failing , and then die of it, rather than get the vaccine, which can cause yellow fever and death itself in something like one in 100,000 doses?

You are COMPLETELY within your rights to believe this and act upon it. But,...

Cia

You are putting the cart before the horse. Most people here have seen the tragic harm that vaccines can do, they have seen false claims made for their effectiveness and safety, they have seen the threats of diseases egregiously hyped - and we are midst of a bad culture with all sorts of false trails. Moreover, people have also been treated appallingly on a routine basis. We have no basis to trust the technology or often the reports of the disease. You can always make out a case for this or a case for that but what we really need is a profound change of culture. The culture also operates on the lie that vaccines are safe or that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks - but the instances that you are talking about are where there are substantial risks for uncertain benefits, and that is certainly not what people are told.

The WHO have overwhelming conflicting interests, they make up data, they have cried wolf far too often, they walk away from harm every day and that is the big problem.

Susan,

The thing is that many VPDs can cause terrible suffering, disability, and/or death. And, of course, so can the vaccines. I don't understand how you can put yourself only on one side and then ignore the suffering that you're dismissing or ignoring. You have to learn as much as possible about both sides and then make the best decisions you can.

I just saw this in the Yucatan Times: "MERIDA — Yellow fever could occur in Yucatan at any time, since the state has the characteristics for the development of that disease, such as the presence of the mosquito Aedes aegypti and jungle areas, so that it should be under clinical alert, said Dr. Rusel Rodríguez Sánchez, an infectious disease specialist and immunologist at a private hospital in the city.

In that sense, he said that measures should be established to prevent the disease, such as stricter controls at the borders like checking who arrives at the state and to demand that travelers from the airport be vaccinated, especially those who come from countries with a high risk of suffering this disease, such as Brazil, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela. This measure should also apply to Yucatecans that travel to those nations, he suggested."

They've already seen a huge increase in yellow fever cases in South America in the last few years, with many deaths. How could you tell people that no matter how many people die of yellow fever, no one should ever get the vaccine? If they take your advice and die of yellow fever, you would bear a lot of the responsibility. It's not either 100% this side or 100% on the other side. Most people only want to do what's best for their health and that of their family. Vaccines are dangerous, but most people can handle a few with no apparent problems, as you saw with your children in the '60s. As everybody has seen in the vast majority of the people they grew up with. You have to take all factors into account.

I think it's interesting that it looks like if you've got aedes mosquitoes (and we do, big time) and a hot, humid climate (as much of the US does in the summer), then it is very possible that you will be getting yellow fever in your area soon. I don't think jungle per se is a requirement since most of the US had yellow fever epidemics in the past. So this discussion may soon change from theoretical to real. Would you hold fast to telling people not to get the vaccine for it no matter how much suffering and death results from the disease? I'm glad I bought the nosodes for it a couple of months ago and have them on hand already.

The books critical of vaccines used to recommend a careful risk/benefit analysis rather than a blanket refusal of all vaccines. A pristine, unvaxxed immune system wouldn't help you if you were infected. I don't think it's good that the trend has been to draw battle lines and never the twain shall meet.

Benedetta,

Thank you. I had thought that it was a different species of mosquito which transmitted malaria, but I had read something yesterday that I thought meant that aedes could transmit it as well. So now I know that it's anopheles which is the only one that transmits malaria. Are they still around in the US now? The aedes can transmit a lot of bad diseases: dengue, yellow fever, chikungunya, zika... And it wouldn't be hard to introduce them here.

I just found the page in the book I was looking for. P. 97: "The war would be won in just 113 days... it would cost more lives than ever expected. Over 2,500 American soldiers would be lost - not to the Spanish, but to disease. Only 385 would actually die in action." The reason it says disease rather than yellow fever is because "only" 2,000 died in those four months of yellow fever, while over 500 died of other diseases: cholera, typhoid, dysentery, maybe some of malaria (I realize after having put up the quotation from the website). From p. 103. In the four years before the S-A War, 16,000 Spanish soldiers in Cuba had gotten the "yellow jack," but I'd have to google it to see how many died of it.

I'll have to finish the book to see how we got rid of yellow fever in the US. I know we nuked the mosquitoes with DDT and drained swamps, but I don't think those would have been enough as there's still so much still water everywhere and the DDT didn't kill all of the transmitting mosquitoes. And aedes doesn't require standing water to breed anyway. And I'll have to see if the type of mosquito that used to transmit it here is still around, or if the aedes was re-introduced relatively recently.

Benedetta,

I read it last night in The American Plague, but right now I can't find it. I just googled it and found this:

"The effect of yellow fever on armies was clear during the Spanish-American War in 1898. That brief four-month war and the occupation of Cuba afterward cost nearly 3,000 American lives. Of those, less than 400 died in combat. The rest died of disease, including 2,000 soldiers who died from yellow fever alone."

http://decodedpast.com/yellow-fever-warfares-ancient-enemy/943

Cia,

No, it wasn't about yellow fever, it was a response to:

"But it's still the case that most people get vaccines and seem to have no reaction. Even now, most children get a lot of vaccines and not more than one in 36 American children reacts with autism. So what's the difference between the ones who do and the ones who don't react with autism? I think it's obviously a genetic difference in most cases."

Posted by: cia parker | January 21, 2019 at 07:05 PM

You never talk about the mumps efficacy trial in court right now ?
Which completely invalidates the mmr vaccine.

You never talk about William Thompson ?
Which completely invalidates the mmr vaccine.

You never talk about Zimmerman ?

You never talk about the Aaby findings ? DPT

You never talk about the tetanus vaccine in Kenya 2015 HCG ? Oller
Which completely invalidates all vaccines.

You never talk about Gardasil and the Gayle Delong paper ?
Which completely invalidates all vaccines.

You never talk about the Flu vaccine and miscarriages ? 4250%

You never talk about any of the aluminium or themiserol or Poly80 ingredients ?

You never talk about the contaminants ? Gatti findings
Why don't you CIA ?

2032 50% of all children and 80% of all boys. Which children will be fine ?
There will be none

Every vaccine harms - Every time .

CIA I am happy to talk about all of these subjects, but lets see you sidestep this direct question ?

Benedetta,

You said that yellow fever was conquered in the US because we got rid of the mosquitoes. A year and a half ago, there were huge swarms of mosquitoes every time I took the dog out to throw Frisbees for her. I was constantly slapping my legs and arms and killing a number of them every time. When I looked closely at them, they had striped legs and spotted bodies. I googled it and learned that we now have the aedes aegypti mosquito, capable of carrying yellow fever, malaria, and zika, all over the Midwest. A relatively new thing, they were stowaways on ships from Asia not that long ago. So if someone unvaxxed were to enter the US from a yellow fever country, he had caught yellow fever but was still in the incubation stage, and a mosquito bit him, then it would be easy for the mosquito to then give it to other people. It may be that if a lot of people refuse the vaccine, they'll have to put them in quarantine before letting them enter this or another country. Since it hasn't happened yet, it's probably not that likely to happen, but I think it's totally conceivable. I just read that about 250 American soldiers were killed in the Spanish-American War, but about 2,500 of them died of yellow fever. Just something interesting to think about.

Angus,

But almost 100% of those you see around you every day have gotten many vaccines. Most of them seem to have had no reaction. I can't speak for you, but I got a tetanus booster when I was nineteen which paralyzed both my arms starting the same day, and was later diagnosed with sometimes paralyzing MS. Most people got even mercury-containing tetanus boosters without such a reaction. I had reacted to the DPT at three months old with screaming syndrome etc. My brother reacted to it with beating his head on the bars of his crib. It caused Asperger's in both of us. His son reacted to infant vaccines with Asperger's, allergies, and asthma. My daughter reacted to the hep-B vaccine at birth with screaming syndrome and autism. She reacted to the DTaP booster at 18 months with losing her language, diagnosed with autism two months later. My father reacted to a flu vaccine with losing his language for a month and paralysis. My mother reacted to the diphtheria vaccine with bowel disease and Asperger's. She reacted to the flu vaccine with Alzheimer's. Most people can get vaxxed to the hilt without suffering any such reactions. I think it's obvious that we have a genetic predisposition to vaccine reactions. I'll never put myself in a position to need the yellow fever vaccine, but I think that those in danger of the disease should give it serious consideration.

nkannen,
I agree. I read more in The American Plague this morning, detailed descriptions of many horrible deaths of extremely good and dedicated people from yellow fever. At the end there is information on where many of them are buried in Memphis or in Cuba. It's real. The vaccine is effective, but it is even more dangerous than many vaccines. So you have to do a careful risk/benefit analysis before putting yourself in a position of needing it, and feel thankful that you don't live in a yellow fever zone. But of course I agree that there have been many lies and abuses of the vaccination issue which should absolutely be addressed. And everyone must have the absolute right to get or refuse any and all vaccines. I've also read about the huge numbers of men who went to work on the Panama Canal and literally dropped like flies from yellow fever.

My 1960s-1970s school libraries contained decades-old books predating pharma’s warped grip on media. I am inclined to believe their horrifying stories of yellow fever, which struck about 85% of Panama Canal workers. Back then one of my relatives was stationed at Fort Gulick in the Canal Zone; it appears that his vaccine caused him no harm.

But it’s also horrifying that society allows vaccine developers to ignore consumers’ reports of adverse reactions, thus avoiding the effort and expense of additional research. Courts of law force the guilty to look at their victims. Legislation is needed to force vaccine developers and government policymakers to end their hit-and-run policy and start investigating vaccine injuries for treatment and prevention of future adverse reactions.

Angus,

By peripheries I meant that we were only going to the Maya Riviera and Coast next year for a couple of weeks, and so are unlikely to be exposed to a tropical disease other than maybe dengue. Mexico has taken many measures to prevent things like yellow fever and cholera. But I'm deeply interested in the issue of tropical diseases and how to prevent and treat them. And I'm also deeply against the profligate use of vaccines. Neither I nor my daughter, as long as I can protect her, will ever get another vaccine: it is obvious that our family has genetic factors which make vaccines even more dangerous than usual for us, and I think that's the case for you as well.

Benedetta,

I've just gotten to the part of The American Plague where Carlos Finlay is introduced. His father was Scottish, but he was shipwrecked in the Caribbean, rescued, and met the local girl he married. He had a stutter, but was fluent in four languages, and he liked to speak different languages at each meal. And I read that in the 1878 epidemic, the worst which has ever affected the Americas, among those who got the fever, mortality was 70% among whites, but only 8% among blacks, which was higher than the usual mortality among blacks. They speculate that it may have been that a novel strain of the virus had just been imported by ship from Africa, since the epidemic behaved similarly in Cuba and Brazil. And they speculate that blacks had partial protection from having contracted mild cases of the disease when they were growing up. But whites would have similarly been exposed, but still had an extremely high death rate. It may be that there's some genetic protection factor which varies by race, the way that there's a gene in many blacks which protects against malaria, but causes sickle cell anemia when two carriers both give the gene to their child.

I read Albion's Seed years ago, about the four different types of migration from Europe which created the modern US. Blacks in the north had extremely high mortality from respiratory diseases, while whites tended to have extremely vigorous health in the bracing cold climate of the north. While whites in the South had extremely high rates of dying from many kinds of feverish diseases, many originating in Africa, which blacks had much more protection from and low mortality.

I don't think the dangers of yellow fever have been hyped. It is an extremely serious disease which continues to have very high mortality when it occurs. It has been eliminated from the US at this time, I assume by draining swamps, but I'm not sure that's the whole explanation. I've said here that my father got malaria in Louisiana when he was twelve. He lived right next to the Mississippi River and could see the boats on it from his bedroom window. That wasn't long before Louisiana drained the swamps and eliminated malaria in the US. I think the use of DDT helped a lot in the war against both yellow fever and malaria, but I recognize that it is a very dangerous chemical, and I'm glad it's no longer used in the US. I'll continue to read about it and try to learn more, I think it's not out of the realm of possibility for some tropical diseases to resurface here.

I read yesterday that yellow fever is very close to Ebola, the viruses from the same family of filoviruses, and both untreatable (by allopathic science) and horrifyingly cruel, and that yellow fever had killed over a hundred times as many as Ebola. Many people DO get a mild or subclinical case, but that's true of both yellow fever and Ebola. Four years ago they found many people in the affected countries who had antibodies but had never gotten a clinical case of Ebola, and they used the blood from one such boy to successfully treat a couple of westerners who had gotten Ebola.

I'd still like to know why Dr. Gore got the yellow fever vaccine to start with. He was past retirement age. It seems likely that he wanted to go on vacation in Africa, but I haven't seen anything about it. He should have taken seriously the fact that increasing age increases serious reactions to the vaccine. But I think it's a very reasonable choice to get the vaccine if you're going to a place with yellow fever. I ordered a book for young teens yesterday about the yellow fever outbreak in Philadelphia in the 1790s. Alexander Hamilton got it at that time, but recovered. High mortality in a fairly northern clime. Washington and Jefferson hightailed it out of the area to try to avoid getting yellow fever. In the 1878 epidemic, which affected most countries in the Americas, in Memphis half of the 50,000 population left the city as soon as the first case was announced in August. And that epidemic ended the migration of most Europeans to the South: instead they usually went to the North. My great-grandmother and great-grandfather immigrated from Prussia and London in the 1870s, before that huge epidemic (but there was a big one in 1873 as well, and earlier).

Cia Parker;

Here you have the experiments of Finlay and Reed showing that yellow fever is carried by a certain specie of mosquitoes.

Which meant after the fact there are more experiments involving the manipulation of nature. Who knows what Lazear was really working on. I do remember something about him, in our studies. He wrote his wife and told her he was really on track of a real germ, or something like that. He was working with the germ.

Yes, Yellow fever at one time was everywhere, up by the Potomac river. It was at some sort of fort that it was observed that the soldiers that liked to walk on trails close to the river came down with yellow fever. At first they thought they were drinking the river water before they decided it was water borne insect bites instead.

The United States decided early on, to control the mosquito populations.

Belgium woman that died horribly; some one from Tennessee: again the CDC said 10 from USA, and Europe in 50 years even came down with yellow fever, but never said they died. We could track that down and try to get to the bottom of all of that, but as Barry said ----

It is easy to scare us when it comes to disease. Polio seems to be the real deal striking here and there so unexpected, all because some common stomach viruses started behaving in horrible ways.

How do we begin to really understand infectious diseases, and stop the rise of autoimmune diseases, and other vaccine injuries would mean to understand real history and not some hyped accounts.

" I'm glad we're only flirting with the peripheries of the tropical disease question,"

Nope I live the life, as the boxers say "I talk the talk and walk the walk"this is no game or topic of academic snobbery.The facts are clear ALL Vaccines kill and maim to a greater or lesser effect.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Barry

" .... So what do you think accounts for the fact that 8,000 people were diagnosed with yellow fever in The Gambia in 1978, 1,700 died of it, so the government successfully vaccinated almost 100% of the population, and there was only one more case of yellow fever diagnosed, in 1979?..."
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“If you find from your own experience that something is a fact and it contradicts what some authority has written down, then you must abandon the authority and base your reasoning on your own findings.”

― Leonardo Da Vinci

I used to believe everything that authorities told me. Until I helped bring a perfectly healthy child into this world. A child that I later brought into a doctors office, and physically restrained while the doctor injected the vaccines that ultimately disabled him for life. Before he was even old enough to walk.

The people who produced the yellow fever info that you so fervently defend, are the same people who contend that vaccines are completely safe, and do not cause autism.

My life experience has definitely taught me otherwise. And that's why I no longer regard anything that they infer, as having any basis whatsoever in fact. Much less science.

You're free to believe whatever you want. But don't expect me to believe it, just because it has come from a source that you regard as a 'trusted authority'.

Do me once, shame on you. Do me twice, shame on me.

Benedetta,

I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I found the book The American Plague, but there was no fever chart in it. I checked out a library book on yellow fever at the same time I read The American Plague, and it must have been in that. The one who died was Jesse Lazear, not in Reed's group of volunteers, but in the same place in 1900. And I even found his fever chart, but I don't remember what the book was.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/politics-participation-walter-reeds-yellow-fever-experiments/2009-04

https://search.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/uva-lib:2222186/view#openLayer/uva-lib:2345818/1583/2417/2/1/0

While I was leafing through the book I have, I noticed this, p 74: "The 1878 epidemic had stretched from Brazil to Ohio. In the following months, the final death toll in the Mississippi Valley would prove to be 20,000 lives and the financial loss close to $200 million. Two hundred communities in eleven states had been hit by the fever. ..The toll on human life in Memphis alone surpassed the Chicago fire, San Francisco earthquake, and Johnstown flood combined. It was being called by some the worst urban disaster in American history. Over 5,000 lives were lost in Memphis, nearly a third of the population that remained in August of that year."

Cia Parker;
A reply to you.
I would prefer not to bitten by a mosquito carrying yellow fever. I wonder how much a mosquito can carry and if it takes more than one or two or a dozen mosquitos?

But if I did and did get yellow fever; I would hope to be well feed, and in a warm dry shelter.

That said.
You are going to these sites and coming away with all this information and saying it is yellow fever for God's sake!!!!!!

Just several observations from me who also was born after the that time and am also capable of reading and well; I cut my teeth on all those stories as a young person. I majored in microbiology BS, two masters.

Reed and Finlay proved their theory that yellow fever was carried by mosquitos by putting soldiers in shelters that did contain the mosquitos and did not. If yellow fever was such a horrendous disease then either Reed and Finlay for fiends and mad scientists, or it was really thought of in that day as just one of those diseases that makes you sick, and you get better. All the soldiers that came down with yellow fever in this experiment did get better.

That said: What are your thoughts on how death stats that are collected on flu in this country each year?

Age of Autism have published wonderful, thought provoking, eye opening stuff on that right here on this website. Could it be so for a lot of other diseases as well? So you have to look at your stats in these third world country and wonder, were the malnourished, or cold, or in places in wince they would have caught yet another disease (two or three at the same time) because of no clean water, or wading in water with parasites wiggling themselves into their bare feet and on and on.

And I would like your thoughts on this:
I did have measles, rubella, and mumps as a child along with all my classmates. No big deal. Yet, today if I mention measles to any young health professional there is a rather astonishing (to me) reaction of just how deadly it was? Have you noticed.

And your thoughts on this third thing I would be interested in would be this quote from wiki on measles. Don't measles sound like just one horrible disease? Has this been done to other diseases?

"In 2011, the WHO estimated that 158,000 deaths were caused by measles. This is down from 630,000 deaths in 1990.[70] As of 2013, measles remains the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in the world.[11] In developed countries, death occurs in one to two cases out of every 1,000 (0.1–0.2%).[71] In populations with high levels of malnutrition and a lack of adequate healthcare, mortality can be as high as 10%. In cases with complications, the rate may rise to 20–30%.[72] In 2012, the number of deaths due to measles was 78% lower than in 2000 due to increased rates of immunization among UN member states.[19]
Reported cases[73][74][75][76][77][78]
WHO-Region
1980
1990
2000
2005
2014
African Region
1,240,993
481,204
520,102
316,224
71,574
Region of the Americas
257,790
218,579
1,755
66
19,898
Eastern Mediterranean Region
341,624
59,058
38,592
15,069
28,031
European Region
851,849
234,827
37,421
37,332
16,899
South-East Asia Region
199,535
224,925
61,975
83,627
112,418
Western Pacific Region
1,319,640
155,490
176,493
128,016
213,366
Worldwide
4,211,431
1,374,083
836,338
580,287
462,186
Even in countries where vaccination has been introduced, rates may remain high. Measles is a leading cause of vaccine-preventable childhood mortality. Worldwide, the fatality rate has been significantly reduced by a vaccination campaign led by partners in the Measles Initiative: the American Red Cross, the United States CDC, the United Nations Foundation, UNICEF and the WHO. Globally, measles fell 60% from an estimated 873,000 deaths in 1999 to 345,000 in 2005.[79] Estimates for 2008 indicate deaths fell further to 164,000 globally, with 77% of the remaining measles deaths in 2008 occurring within the Southeast Asian region.[80] "

Cia

Send me up the jungle for two years Ill gladly go vaccinated.The pharma phantasy scare stories don’t bother me the natives have survived for thousands of years without medelling pharma.As you know see its population control simple as that. Your chronology of what happens when there is an outbreak is wrong-its usually WHO sends the murdering vaccinators first for the better good of pharma. And as if by pharma posion magic... theres a documented outbreak .They then start vaccinating in Ernst.Then you get the pandemic usually just after being given a billion dollars from the US tax payers. But call me yellow if you want - as soon as WHO arrives I`m on the first banana boat home before I get a mutated yellow fever illness. Ill take all the malaria -yellow fever-ebola no worries but not the vaccinated mutated strains that’s used for population control.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Barry

So what do you think accounts for the fact that 8,000 people were diagnosed with yellow fever in The Gambia in 1978, 1,700 died of it, so the government successfully vaccinated almost 100% of the population, and there was only one more case of yellow fever diagnosed, in 1979? Since then, NONE, except for the UNVACCINATED Belgian women who went to The Gambia, fed a monkey, was bitten by an mosquito carrying the virus, caught yellow fever, and died horribly of it back in Europe a couple of weeks later.
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I see that as a narrative, and nothing more. A story, that someone I have never met has presenting as the gospel truth.

Assuming the narrative is even true, it's still nothing more than anecdotal evidence.

From those of us who have told our story about perfectly healthy babies being vaccinated, and soon after spiraling into an autistic state.... I just want to remind you of what we were told. Which is that anecdotal evidence is not science. In fact, it's really isn't worth shit.

David agree with all you write and share the sentiment were not a one man inquiry team on here. The good Dr gets my 100% support. I have used HP and it worked for us for what it was used for, so far as we can tell. There is the study below from 2014 which I think shows without doubt that HP works on quite a few.

Homeoprophylaxis: Human Records, Studies and Trials
https://www.homeopathycenter.org/news/homeoprophylaxis-human-records-studies-and-trials

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

I just saw this video on Youtube about an outbreak of yellow fever in Angola in 2016: three hundred people died of it, including the pretty girl who had just turned 14 that you see at the beginning of the video. There's also a boy who has the whites of his eyes bright yellow from jaundice, the reason they call it yellow fever. I think it's good to see the human face both of the victims of contagious disease and of vaccine damage. Both are real and tragic.

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVRVjT0no6k

As for your question of how a vaccine can be both dangerous and beneficial at the same time, please read my comments again. In 1978, 1,700 people in The Gambia died of yellow fever, out of 8,000 diagnosed with it. They very quickly mounted a universal vaccination campaign which succeeded in vaccinating almost 100% of Gambians. After that, there were NO cases diagnosed of yellow fever, and, obviously, no deaths from it.

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I realize that you have an unwavering belief in the efficacy of vaccines. And that you're somehow able to square that, with knowledge of the fact that they occasionally KILL the odd recipient.

But as far as I can tell, there there is no proof whatsoever that this, or any vaccine has ever prevented a disease of any kind. And unless you're able prove me wrong , then you really need to stop wasting my time.

David Weiner

I found this from Dr Suzanne Humphries and how right she is
booting the pharma junk science to the trash can where it belongs.

Suzanne Humphries on Vaccine Safety
Like many anti-vaccine “experts” who are doctors, Suzanne Humphries is practicing well outside her area of expertise.

“I have been studying vaccines for the last three years of my life when it came up in my professional life, and my current opinion about vaccinations is that they’ve never been safe. Never has there been a safe vaccine. Never will there be a safe vaccine, and it is not possible to have a safe vaccine.”

Never been a safe vaccine?

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

I got interested in the Westerners who have died recently of yellow fever and googled it with Yandex. I found that the last diagnosed case in The Gambia was in 1979, shortly after they had undertaken the massive vaccination campaign after having had eight thousand cases and 1,700 deaths in 1978. I also found that The Gambia was/is the ONLY west African country which has tried to vaccinate 100% of its population, so yellow fever continues to occur in these other countries.

I looked up specifically the Belgian who died of it in 2002. It was a 47-year old woman who had gone to The Gambia with her thirteen-year old son for a week-long vacation, arriving on November 1. Neither she nor her son had taken the vaccine. They toured several places and she reported having fed a monkey at one of them. She became ill on November 7 and they returned to Europe (the Netherlands, I think) on November 8, where she was hospitalized at two different hospitals and yellow fever was diagnosed. Her fever went down but then came back (bad sign) and she died of it in about another week. She had been diagnosed with Crohn's disease at 20, and had had a colostomy in 1996. So she was immunocompromised to start with. There's really no moral here, just facts to consider. I guess the moral is that someone in her condition shouldn't have been traveling in Africa to start with. Lake Garda would have been better. And also that Dr. Martin Gore shouldn't have been contemplating going to a place where he would be exposed to yellow fever. I also found something indicating that ten Westerners had been reported as getting yellow fever from the vaccine: eight of them died of it. But before deciding that you want to travel to a place with yellow fever but not get either the allopathic or the homeopathic vaccine/nosode, you would have to consider how many got the vaccine with no apparent reaction and also no yellow fever. If possible, how many have gotten the same batch of vaccine you're thinking of getting and how many got it without incident. (Doubtless, hard to do.) Beyond that, if it's a place with endemic yellow fever, it might not be very relevant to consider how many got yellow fever there if a large proportion of them had been vaccinated.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.594.1755&rep=rep1&type=pdf

"Yellow fever vaccine is regarded as one of the safest attenuated virus vaccines, with few associated side effects or adverse events [2]. However, cases of hemorrhagic fever associated with yellow fever 17D substrain vaccination have recently been reported from Brazil (2 cases, both of which were fatal) [15], the United States (4 cases, 3 of which were fatal) [16], and Australia (1) fatal case) [17]. Three other cases (2 of which were fatal) were not described in detail in the literature [18]."

Benedetta,

On this timeline from an article on yellow fever in the US, I found these fairly recent cases of deaths of Americans from yellow fever:

1996 – A traveler from Brazil died of yellow fever in Tennessee.
1999 – A fatal case (non-vaccinated American tourist returning from Venezuela) was reported in California.
2002 – An American traveler died of yellow fever in Texas following return from Brazil.

https://www.gideononline.com/2013/10/18/the-human-cost-of-yellow-fever-in-america-a-chronology/

The book An American Plague ended by describing the particulars of several Americans who had traveled in yellow fever zones but only became sick from it when they returned to the US and died of it in hospitals here.

So you're saying that well-nourished people have nothing to fear from yellow fever? You would be willing to stake your life on that were you to travel to a yellow fever zone? Eight thousand people all got it in the African country The Gambia in 1978 and 1,700 of them died of it, but all of them must have been malnourished and immunocompromised? Since 1978, when almost 100% of the population received the yellow fever vaccine, starting in 1978, there has been no case of yellow fever. Again, I'm against mandatory vaccination, but which is better, 1,700 lives a year (more or less) saved by the vaccine in one small country in Africa, or 1,700 lives lost because authorities are afraid to use the vaccine?

The WHO says that 170,000 people in the world got yellow fever in 2013, and 60,000 of them died of it. 35% mortality. Very few of these had gotten the vaccine. Vaccine failure from the vaccine has occasionally been reported, but it is very rare. Yellow fever mortality would have been a tiny fraction of this had they gotten the vaccine.

You have to go back quite a ways to get to an era in which many Americans got it, because most Americans never travel to a tropical country where it is still endemic. And it seems likely that the disease organism itself has become less virulent, the way the Ebola virus has done. I don't think nutritional status has much to do with how severe a case of either one of them someone gets, but rather the virulence of the particular virus contracted. Before we went to Mexico in June, I read a lot about dengue, a disease similar to yellow fever, but with lower fatality (a relative statement, dengue kills a lot, especially in its hemorrhagic form). I learned that close to 100% of residents of Acapulco have contracted dengue. Most Mexicans are well-nourished. One of the friends we stayed with in Mexico City said that her husband had traveled to Oaxaca to supervise a construction project, and he contracted dengue. She was visiting him there and she caught it as well. Both of them are very well-nourished. They contracted clinical cases of dengue and got a high fever, but fortunately both recovered without incident.

It would be very unwise to brush off tropical diseases as being something that well-nourished Americans traveling there are vanishingly unlikely to contract or die from. As always, each individual must research it and make a decision to take or reject vaccines, when available, homeopathic prophylaxis, or just try to repel mosquitoes and eat and drink only reliably sanitary food and water. Countless millions of people have gotten the yellow fever vaccine without incident, and it has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands. I personally wouldn't get it, but I don't live in a tropical country. If I did, I would have to think about it very carefully, considering a number of factors relevant to my personal situation.

Cia Parker:
Yeah, we are not talking about the common cold, we are talking about measles.
Every body that gets the measles die right? or at least go deaf.

Reading history Cia Parker is not the same as living it, or being there.
yellow fever was a real problem when digging Suez Canal, or the Panama Canal and only then were we able to achieve such wonders. Was Yellow fever that bad? Looking at the fear I see now a days about measles, gives me pause.
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On the CDC website it says about yellow fever that "Most" people will not even show symptoms.
OF the few people that do show symptoms, it is more or less flu symptoms.
Only if some one has a compromised immune system will it lead to sepsis.
Sepsis is by the way the very thing that the yellow fever vaccine causes.

For the past 50 years there have only been 10 people from the United States and Europe that got yellow fever while visiting South America and Africa. That is 10 that showed symptoms, but none died.

Now was it really that bad as history loves to tell the tale? IF it was then why? Perhaps it was a different strain of yellow fever - more virulent? Perhaps there was a comorbid, second infection of something else going on? Maybe it was just all hype?

David,

I really think most people know nothing about homeoprophylaxis, or homeopathy in general. And rather than say they are completely uninformed, they often assume that if there were anything to it, of course someone as intelligent as they are would have heard of it. And it's also true that many homeopaths are completely against homeoprophylaxis, meaning using nosodes prepared from the disease pathogen to build up resistance before natural exposure, rather than remedies to treat existing symptoms. Many think that's heresy and that you should only use homeopathy for treating existing sickness. However, numerous studies in many Latin American and African countries have shown how EXTREMELY effective homeoprophylaxis is in protecting against disease. I agree with you that it is SO important and SO impressive that everyone should learn about it and try it. I, like you, am also a strong advocate of high-dose vitamin C to treat everything. But I'd have to also say that I had shingles twice last winter and once the winter before that, and used high-dose vitamin C. It seemed to greatly reduce the pain, but didn't cure it, and it still continued for several weeks each time. In October three months ago, I was starting to get a cold sore (also something I've gotten the last two winters) and starting to get shingles. I ordered the nosodes for each of them, and as soon as I took the first dose, they healed and haven't come back, quite unlike their usual course of weeks, even months, of pain and general weakness and feeling very unwell. And I'm also going to say again that many classic homeopaths are against combination remedies. However, one of our parakeets was near death from heart disease last March. After dejectedly googling to look for treatments, it occurred to me to ask the computer about homeopathic treatments for heart disease in birds, and I found the company Homeopet (Homeoanimo in its French branch, in Canada). I ordered their liquid combination remedy Heart once, then Coeur twice, when the English site seemed to stop carrying it. And it was a miracle. I put it in their water, and the next day Sprite was already much better, no longer sleeping in the day with his head tucked into his back, and starting to chirp again after weeks of silence. No longer panting when he flew, and he started to fly with his accustomed verve. I kept putting it in their water for months, unsure when to stop. I finally did stop, though, and he is still extremely well: cheerful, energetic, flying, chirping. And it's been nearly a year since he was on the edge of the grave. Saved by homeopathy. You can read reviews on their site of how different remedies cured many different pets. The remedies are for any species (I'm using some of them for me). You can see on their website what remedies are used in each combination remedy.

Regarding the spin on the risks, I suspect they are politically willing to say in this instance that those over 60 are at greater risk to reassure everyone else, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think in the U.S. at least that generation is a bit more willing to risk sacrifices asked of them by those "who always know best" in "healthcare."

But when I think of the likelihood of those over 60 already having preexisting health conditions (many due largely to vaccines IMO) that could mask adverse events from a vaccine, and how many are not prominent enough to be given serious media or other due consideration when something goes wrong if it even occurs to someone to consider the vaccine's role, and how unlikely this risk data was gathered by reliable studies prior to such "post marketing observation," and looking at what they are currently doing with the shingles vaccine cavalierly recommended for all seniors, I do wonder how dangerous this vaccine is.

And I know I can't trust any of the world's "health" institutions to provide honest data for a reasonably accurate "risk/benefits analysis."

David,

If people read books like those by Dr. Isaac Golden, Kate Birch, and Cilla Whatcott, they would learn how effective homeopathic prophylaxis is, and how effective. Classic homeopathy frowns on both combination remedies and nosodes, but I personally have had huge success using both of these modalities. Study after study shows that patients treated conventionally for many diseases have a high mortality rate, while those using the homeopathic alternatives have one that's less than one percent. It's just that the idea seems very counterintuitive, although in the case of nosodes it's very similar to the principle of vaccines, just much, much more dilute and without any of the vaccine additives. The method of preparation: succussion (shaking and tapping on a hard surface) the appropriate number of times for the potency being prepared and then dilution, repeat, repeat, repeat, at the higher (stronger) potencies, leaves not a single molecule of the original substance (pathogen in the case of nosodes) left, BUT it leaves the energy of that substance in a form that the immune system can perceive and react to appropriately. In the case of the long, gradual, stair-step method of gradually ascending potencies, ultimately antibodies are formed. But if you follow the appropriate protocol, it's completely safe and harmless. A hundred years ago a terrible war was waged on homeopathy by allopathic medicine in the US, despite the fact that homeopathy was able to cure nearly all of the Spanish flu patients it treated, while allopathic medicine couldn't treat it at all and had a very high death rate. But allopathy was where the money and power were, and at that time it prevailed.

I still don't know why Dr. Gore needed protection from yellow fever. But I'd have to say that those going to an active yellow fever zone DO need protection from yellow fever. It is NOT a mild disease. If you're just going to be at a tourist resort for two or three days, you wouldn't be in much danger. But if you're going to be working with patients in the jungles of Africa or Latin America, you'd better protect yourself before you go. Dr. Gore should have considered that he was getting old and was at higher risk from the vaccines for tropical diseases, where they exist (homeopathy has them for ALL diseases, whether there's a vaccine or not). I wish I knew more about why he thought he needed it, if he had travel plans, if he thought he was still as healthy and resilient as a few short years before. Again, everyone has ALWAYS known that the yellow fever vaccine is quite dangerous. Depending on where you're going and how long you're going to be there, it MIGHT be a good idea to get the vaccine DESPITE its dangers, although taking the nosode would be infinitely better. And the severe reactions from the vaccine are said to be six times greater in those over 60. They KNEW that, so why did Dr. Gore think that didn't apply to him? And I was thinking that these days the mortality is "only" about ten percent in those who get the symptomatic disease of yellow fever, while a hundred years ago it was much higher than that. It's probably like Ebola, measles, etc., when it emerged it has close to a hundred percent death rate, but is becoming naturalized to human beings and milder when it occurs. It's in the best interests of the virus not to kill its host, but allow him to circulate, spreading the virus as he goes. Ebola has gone from mortality of well over 90% when it emerged in 1976, but is now down to an average of maybe 50%, quite a bit in only forty years.

Cia Parker;

From the CDC's own website:
If you want to go there. It says that from 1970 to 2015 a total of 10 cases of yellow fever were reported in unvaccinated travelers from the US and Europe who traveled to West Africa (five cases) or South America (five cases) .

That is 45 years in which 10 people (did not die of the disease) that caught it traveling to places that it is endemic.

That is like less that 1/2 of a person a year that even gets this disease.

On the CDC's own website it says "MOST" people will not even have symptoms.
For a few that do have symptoms, they are symptoms resembling the flu and it does go away in about a week. "MOST" recover.
For those that have a very weakened immune system, already ill then yellow fever may cause sepsis and they very likely will die. Sepsis is also the same thing that a vaccine will cause a person to die from too, as was the esteemed politician in New York that dies this fall too.

Since I majored in this stuff (worked more with soils, plants, and trees though) I use to read all the stuff you are going too. About all the epidemics, how many died, the heroes that came in and took control and won the battle. History is written by -- the winners as they say.

After years and years of this, we well "I" am left to wonder how much of this is true!
Is it like at a certain time in history when environmental conditions were just right that some of these diseases become really bad, and then it passes and all is back to normal?
Like the whooping cough in which deaths really spiked at one time back at the beginning of the 1900s. Small pox was not all that bad, if a person was warm and well fed, but some times there were stronger strains of small pox circulating or even another disease circulating at the same time so they got two and not one disease at the same time.

I often wonder if this is the case of yellow fever.

Angus

The problems is that we live in a world of specialisation and most people - including doctors - accept that it is just someone else's field, and you accept their expertise. The fact if you looked at it closely the fault lines might appear within minutes, will not easily over-ride the social sense of how things should be, and that's what you ought to do - 'conventional wisdom' is mistaken for common sense.

"It will be convenient to have a name for the ideas which are esteemed at any time for their acceptability, and it should be a term that emphasizes this predictability. I shall refer to these ideas henceforth as the conventional wisdom."

JK Galbraith, 'The Affluent Society', 1958.

Common sense might tell us that bombarding the human body via circuitous routes with limitless cocktails of toxic substances to improve its ability to repel disease might not be wise, but it is not the conventional wisdom.

Cia Parker,

I am glad that you mentioned nosodes in connection with yellow fever (and other illnesses).

I think that our movement should be doing a lot more to promote awareness of this alternative to vaccines. Without such awareness, people will always be stuck in the vaccine box, not realizing that there are other ways to protect themselves and their kids against specific infectious agents. And that is why we are fighting mandates and such.

I'd ask Mike Stevens if he knows why Dr. Gore thought he needed the vaccine, but he will no longer speak to me. Surely he must have been planning on traveling in Africa or Latin America, but I'd like to know more. Usually they say that tourists are at very little risk. I found that about twenty Americans who had traveled abroad had died of it here in recent decades. 80% of the unvaxxed ones all died, and one of the vaxxed ones did, while eight of the vaxxed ones survived. Dying from the vaccine happens, but it is rare. I still would never get the vaccine. It may be that Dr. Gore was like me, sort of anxious about disease, but he trusted vaccines a lot more than I do. I got nosodes for dengue, yellow fever, malaria, typhoid, rotavirus, and noravirus (Mexico City strain). We completed the graduated progression for meningococcal disease, and now we'll do tetanus and pneumococcal disease.

I just googled it to try to find out if Dr. Gore had been planning on spending time in a zone with active yellow fever or if he were going to be exposed to it in some other way, but couldn't find anything. I don't know why he would have only been getting it at the age of 67 if he were not thinking that he had a good chance of being exposed to it. It's always been known to be a very dangerous vaccine. However, as everyone writing on this has mentioned, the disease itself is an extremely dangerous one to catch, with an extremely high mortality rate. And I'm sure everyone remembers having learned in school about the tens of thousands of workers digging the Panama Canal who died of yellow fever. I read this book when it came out probably ten years ago, about a yellow fever epidemic in the US in the 1870s which killed thousands of Americans:
https://www.amazon.com/American-Plague-Untold-Epidemic-History/dp/0425217752

Many people boarded themselves up in their houses either to try to keep it out or to keep the uninfected out, and later entire families were found inside, all members having died in agony of yellow fever. The book describes Catholic nuns who took in and cared for children with it, and basically all the children died and all the Catholic nuns died of it. The only surviving member of one family which had boarded themselves up was a child who first appeared dead, but survived and grew up to become one of the nurses who worked with Dr. Walter Reed because she was known to be immune: he realized the disease was mosquito-borne and developed the first vaccine. It's a really interesting book, and I certainly hadn't realized that yellow fever had been present in our country for a long time, or that it had killed thousands.

We're planning to visit the Yucatán next year, and I bought nosodes for many tropical diseases to take before we go, including yellow fever, which isn't common in Mexico, but sometimes occurs. I wish that Dr. Gore had taken that rather than the vaccine, especially because of his age. But, once again, it's very important to consider both the risks of the disease and the vaccine before taking any vaccine. Does anyone know why he thought taking the vaccine would be a good idea?

"incidental unconnected cause, such as sepsis"

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New York State Senator José Peralta — an outspoken proponent of annual flu vaccinations — died November 22, 2018, at the age of 47 from sudden septic shock

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/12/11/risks-of-vaccines-vs-benefit.aspx

"Our reporting, like that of several major mainstream media, was done in good faith based on the information available at that time. As of January 15, 2019, the Post and other media have reported that Peralta died naturally from “complications of acute promyelocytic leukemia.”

The Post added that “A source familiar with the ME’s determination noted that septic shock ‘was a complication directly related to the fact that he had cancer,’ noting there were likely other complications that contributed to his unexpected death.”"

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Adriana

I believe to be stressed that the reasons we know about Malcolm Brabant and Martin Gore is because of who they were - the rest of us can go hang! I addressed Larson back in Decenber 2017:

"In an interview for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine website, Heidi Larson, founder of the Vaccine Confidence Project housed at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine:

"Yes, there are potential risks—there will always be potential risks with any medical treatment. And we don’t talk enough about that.

"Heidi, it is funny you should say that, because no one is stopping you from talking about it. For the rest of us there are people like you trying to stop us. For instance, Seth Berkley – director of GAVI – back in June was calling for so-called anti-vaxxers to be banned from social media. Now, I am sure you would not dissent from viewpoint that an anti-vaxxer is a blanket label for anyone at all who questions the vaccine program, its safety, the wider project of the vaccine lobby. Meanwhile, the program just expands – vaccines for diseases which may either not be mostly very serious, diseases which may be more serious but which you are relatively unlikely to get. But administered in gigantic clumps to infants who are increasingly diagnosed with developmental disabilities.

"And people like us – who are often people who have experienced the harms of vaccines – are really just the people you should be keen to listen to, instead of treating us like scientific specimens, or the objects of loathing to be wiped out as voices on the web. You cannot have a conversation without having a conversation, you cannot put yourself up as some kind of honest broker when what you are really doing is just trying to annihilate dissent.

"We have seen this gambit so many times before, but what it comes down to is preparedness to listen to citizens with respect, preparedness to actively monitor, insistence on proper trials with genuine placebos, where are you? I do not see at any point where your theoretical acknowledgment of harm becomes real or compassionate, not just a convenient posture. Why should we trust the products? Why should we trust governments? Why should we trust hard-nosed public relations exercises on behalf of people who just want to extract ever more power for themselves while promoting their merchandise? I do not see any point at which the deeds of the industry or its public relations machine earns confidence.

"The British Government has failed to award a single vaccine damage case in seven years, while perhaps hundreds of millions of products have been administered. It created a Catch 22 when it was at risk of becoming liable for narcolepsy cases caused by Pandemrix. No doctor in the UK would normally dare implicate a vaccine in the harm or death of a patient. The WHO has attempted to massage out of existence cases of vaccine mortality. The industry has a dirty record, and it has a hyper-aggressive bureaucracy supporting it.

"This may be the path of heavy-fisted, all conquering empires, but it is not the path of trust."

https://www.ageofautism.com/2017/12/paradoxes-for-heidi-larson-the-vaccine-confidence-lady.html

How do we deal with the Grim Reaper ? Our side has some great leaders and we're making progress yet it's always over dead and maimed bodies. What's it going to take to achieve medical freedom ?

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On October 11, 1988, ACT UP had one of its most successful demonstrations (both in terms of size and in terms of national media coverage) when it successfully shut down the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) for a day. Media reported that it was the largest such demonstration since demonstrations against the Vietnam War.
The AIDS activists shut down the large facility by blocking doors, walkways and a road as FDA workers reported to work. Police told some workers to go home rather than wade through the throng.
"Hey, hey, FDA, how many people have you killed today?" chanted the crowd, estimated by protest organizers at between 1,100 and 1,500. The protesters hoisted a black banner that read "Federal Death Administration".
Police officers, wearing surgical gloves and helmets, started rounding up the hundreds of demonstrators and herding them into buses shortly after 8:30 a.m. Some protesters blocked the buses from leaving for 20 minutes.
Authorities arrested at least 120 protesters, and demonstration leaders said they were aiming for 300 arrests by day's end."
At this action, activists demonstrated their thorough knowledge of the FDA drug approval process. ACT UP presented precise demands for changes that would make experimental drugs available more quickly, and more fairly. "The success of SEIZE CONTROL OF THE FDA can perhaps best be measured by what ensued in the year following the action. Government agencies dealing with AIDS, particularly the FDA and NIH, began to listen to us, to include us in decision-making, even to ask for our input."

Absolutely SHOCKING !

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/archives/fdaDrugInfo.cfm?archiveid=18840

No placebo-controlled trials to assess the safety of yellow fever 17D vaccines have been performed.

Posted by: Hans Litten | February 02, 2018 at 07:40 AM