Michael,

I don't know what happened to iodine in wound care. Personally, I think it's great, but alcohol and iodine both sting. But, of course, better that than an infection. You can also put one drop in a gallon of water to kill germs. I don't think hydrogen pyroxide stings. Does it?

We had Merthiolate in our medicine cabinet too. It was probably just more grist for the mercury mill in our brains.

David,

Thank you. It's very disturbing how most people are willing to just take everything on faith, even when it's something as serious as brain damage from conventional medical care.

Cia Parker, your comment is spot on:

"However, my friend's saying the other day Wow, look how great modern medicine is! The pace maker has restored my mother to her usual kind, talkative self! That CLEARLY shows that EVERYTHING modern medical authorities say and recommend is truthful information which should be adhered to."

This is one of the big obstacles that we are up against. People have been indoctrinated into thinking that "Modern medicine" is monolithic. That if medicine has made some impressive progress in certain areas, then that is true of the whole too. It is much more informative to evaluate the different components separately. There has been good headway in certain areas (e.g. surgery, imaging), other areas have seen stagnation, while others (e.g. pediatrics, obstetrics, psychiatry) have gotten worse. It is tough to convey this kind of nuance, though, to the true believers.

I should have mentioned about my friends in Mexico City that I talked a lot with them about vaccine damage when we were there in June. One of them said that the library at the UNAM where she taught had the book The Age of Autism in the university library. I highly recommended that she read it. And the fact that she had noticed it and remembered it shows that educated people in Mexico are starting to think about vaccine damage.

However, my friend's saying the other day Wow, look how great modern medicine is! The pace maker has restored my mother to her usual kind, talkative self! That CLEARLY shows that EVERYTHING modern medical authorities say and recommend is truthful information which should be adhered to.

I think this shows the dangers of failure to differentiate and learn about each of the diseases and vaccines individually, as well as all other medical procedures. And it's not that they don't have time. It's just easier to take what the authorities say on faith. And this goes for both sides of the vaccine question.

Shelley,

But the tetanus spores are found in the excrement of a high percentage of almost all mammals. Dogs, cats, horses, raccoons, foxes, gerbils (one of our gerbil care books when we had gerbils said that they could carry tetanus, and that's why I got a tetanus booster in 2005 when Bianca, thenceforth named Killer, bit me and wouldn't let go), humans, and many more. Yes, there was more tetanus when everyone used horses and there was horse manure everywhere. But tetanus still occurs everywhere, usually in people over 50 who haven't gotten tetanus boosters in decades. Tetanus spores have been found in the dust on desktops in high-rise city buildings.

We live in the suburbs, where I have seen dozens of raccoons, a colony of them lived in a clump of pine trees in our yard until we got our dog, dozens of opossums, and once I saw a fox killed on the road a few blocks from here. You can hear coyotes howling at night, and I've seen a few coyotes. That means that there is a lot of manure being excreted by these animals which contains tetanus spores, which can survive for decades in the soil. Once my father bought a truck load of Missouri River dirt to put on my flower bed. Bad idea, it had millions of seeds of plants I didn't want, weeds. And it undoubtedly had tetanus spores since it was direct from the river, without having been sterilized. Probably a lot of gardeners here have done the same. When I read that Hilary Butler had said that you could get tetanus from a prick by a rose thorn, I couldn't believe it, until I realized that the rose bush would have been grown with manure as fertilizer.

Half of all cases of tetanus are from shallow or inapparent wounds. I was thinking about wood splinters, which are a frequent cause of tetanus when it occurs. I have gotten many over the years, but can't pull them out with tweezers, because they break. I have to get a pin and push it into the already inflamed flesh next to the splinter and leverage the splinter upwards. After several minutes of this, I can usually grab a long piece of splinter and pull it out. The point is that the tetanus spores, if they're there, are under the splinter, protected from the air, and in order to cleanse it, you'd have to take a sterile razor blade and make a slit along the splinter, a little deeper than the splinter, and then cleanse the area. I don't know about other people, but I don't think I'd be able to deliberately slit my flesh with a razor blade, it would make me ill.

Eindeker,

Thank you for your account of the young man who died in hospital of tetanus from a small piece of dirt at the bottom of a wound. What a shame. I wish it were known if he had been vaccinated and if he had been given THIG when he arrived at the hospital, or if it were too later for it to do any good. I've recounted here that my father as a boy in Louisiana in the '30s (lots of hot, rich Mississippi dirt and a lot of manure), saw a man die of tetanus in his father's doctor's office. There was nothing anyone could do to save him. (And my father also got malaria there when he was twelve: everyone in the South got malaria in the days before DDT and draining swamps. Many got yellow fever as well. And typhoid.)

I've read that these days they no longer recommend the use of hydrogen pyroxide to cleanse wounds. I'll read your links, but to me it seems to make sense to use it, at least on minor wounds. The bubbling action is very satisfying emotionally.

The reason that Tetanus was higher in the 1920's was because the streets were lined with horse, cow and pig manure in which particles would often enter the wounds. A typical NYC street had pigs running wild as a means to get rid of trash. Then came the automobiles which replaced animal excrement.

Hydrogen Peroxide Cia !

I was hoping you might give the VPDs bs a rest in 2019 ?

First, “If you were really afraid of polio coming back, you would replace liability to vaccine makers and fix the corruption in the vaccine program” is a brilliant comeback.

Second, that a "liability-free vaccine" is not a "vaccine" is a simple point that has sound-bite appeal, which aids in public communication. For good or for bad, the 30-second sound bite dominates our current media culture. Our opposition has spent tens of millions of dollars, sometimes under the guise scientific research, to develop and test what amounts to catch-phases and sounds bites. We all know what they are, and through constant repetition, so does the general public: “safe and effective,” “herd immunity,” “Andrew Wakefield,” “vaccine -preventable disease,” etc. We need to up our game in this regard, and liability-free vaccine is a step in the right direction.

Third, our opponents have not limited their spending to creation of campaigns to about their products. They have also worked hard to develop messaging about us. This is something that some on our side find difficult to face or understand: we are being directly targeted by government propaganda under the influence of a powerful industry. The explosion of the term “anti-vaxxer” circa 2015 was not an accident. Nor did the phrase arise organically in the American vernacular. It is a manufactured political label pushed from the top of the vaccine hierarchy. Our opponents wish it to invoke backwardness, selfishness and a kind of dangerous mass delusion that requires immediate and decisive condemnation to, as Dr. Peter Hotez said in Scientific American, “snuff it out.” We need to pay more attention to political labels and language. We must vigilant against the type of hate speech that the anti-vaxxer campaign tends to incite. But we must also fight back against the white coat segregationists who push laws that would throw tens of thousands of our children out of school by using our own slogans and labels that have the pith to capture attention and the emotional punch to throw of opponents off center. Notice that I used the word “segregationist.” What else does one call someone who wants to deny school to children based on the birth physiology? Of course I am referring to the human immune system. This is combative and adversarial, but it is also the reality of our position. This is not the time of seeking compromise or cooperation while our kids are under this kind of threat.

Jenny,

As to tetanus mortality in WWI and WWII, I was able to get the article Eindeker linked some time ago, but I had to go to the Yandex search engine to get it. Google wouldn't do it.

"The recent experience in the Far East including that in Korea had added little, if any, new information concerning immunization to tetanus. It is perhaps of some interest and significance, however, that the entirely satisfactory effect of this procedure has been confirmed during this latest conflict. The World War II experience with active immunization to tetanus using tetanus toxoid has been reported elsewhere and need not be recounted here (1). It is adequate to recall that as shown in table 1 only some 12 cases of tetanus occurred among nearly 3,000,000 wound and injury casualties during that period. This represents a reduction in frequency of tetanus to about one-thirtieth of that reported during World War I. There is no question of the potential hazards from the infection during the World War II period since numerous cases were reported among the unimmunized German Forces in Europe and among Japanese troops and civilians in the Pacific areas.

Table 2 indicates the status of immunization of the 12 cases reported. It is seen that only 4 of the 12 were in individuals whose records indicated that immunization was in complete accordance with established procedures.

As indicated above, this success was repeated during the Korean conflict, when only one case of tetanus was reported. This resulted from a non-battle type of injury occurring as a result of a bulldozer accident. It was nonfatal and occurred in an individual who, though he had received adequate basic immunization, was not given an emergency stimulating dose of toxoid at the time of injury. This, of course, serves to emphasize again that protection from tetanus by active immunization is based on the immunologic preparation of the individual by the basic immunization and the stimulation of protective antitoxin levels by the dose of toxoid administered at the time of injury."

Chart: WWI: admissions for wounds: 523,158 cases of tetanus: 70 cases per 100,000 wounds 13.4
WWII: admissions for wounds: 2,734,810 cases of tetanus: 12 cases per 100,000 wounds 0.44

https://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/korea/recad2/ch6-6.html

So vaccinated American soldiers in WWII got tetanus at one-thirtieth of the rate of unvaccinated soldiers in WWI. And notice that it observes that unvaccinated German and Japanese soldiers and civilians continued to get tetanus at the normal rate.

And no, you can't make a laboratory diagnosis of tetanus. But Harrison's, 17th edition, p. 899, says about clinical diagnosis: "The differential diagnosis includes conditions also producing trismus, such as alveolar abscess, strychnine poisoning, dystonic drug reactions, and hypocalcemic tetany. In addition, meningitis/encephalitis, rabies, and an acute intra-abdominal process (because of the rigid abdomen), might be considered. Markedly increased tone in central muscles (face, neck, chest, back, and abdomen), with superimposed generalized spasms and relative sparing of hands and feet, strongly suggests tetanus."

Dr. Michaela Glockler, in A Guide to Child Health, fourteenth edition, p. 159, says: "This vaccination is one of the most harmless, and the illness in unvaccinated patients, is one of the most serious ones we know, with a mortality rate of one-third to one-half of those who contract the disease. Even parents opposed to vaccination on principle generally accept vaccination for a child who has survived a case of tetanus." She recommends, however, that it not be given to a child under one year old (others say not until two or three years old), and that too many boosters are dangerous and reactive.

In the US, the worst year for tetanus was before the vaccine, in 1923, when 1,560 cases were reported, with a 40% mortality, so 624 deaths a year from tetanus.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.54.5.769

This link shows that mortality from tetanus in the US was between 52% and 78% in the '50s and '60s. Hospital treatment for it is not very effective even now, and there is no specific treatment for it if it's too late for the antitoxin. They can give muscle relaxants and antibiotics, but the symptoms are caused by a toxin released by the bacteria, not the bacteria themselves, so once the symptoms start it may be too late for antibiotics to help.

It is fine with me if people want to reject the tetanus series. I would like them to make a fully-informed choice, however. If they don't get the vaccine or the nosode, there is a small chance that they will get tetanus, and if they do, there's a good chance that they will die of it. The antitoxin given at the time of the wound may save their life, but it's not nearly as effective as having already gotten the toxoid vaccine series previously. If they're all right with that, then that's fine with me.

And it's the same as always. The vaccine is NEARLY 100% effective in preventing tetanus, but not 100%. It is safe in NEARLY everyone, but not everyone. The disease is ALWAYS possible, and if it occurs, it is devastating and often fatal.

Thankyou, Ginger, for a good article.

On the side topic of tetanus I think everyone should read the whole page on the CDC site. It is revealing in what it says about tetanus, and what pertinent questions are left out of the discussion.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html

Here are two interesting excerpts:
"Tetanus toxoid was first produced in 1924, and tetanus toxoid immunizations were used extensively in the armed services during World War II. Tetanus cases among this population declined from 70 in World War I (13.4/100,000 wounds and injuries) to 12 in World War II (0.44/100,000). Of the 12 case-patients, half had received no prior toxoid."

So, in re: to the highly emotional example of how many lives were saved in WWII as a potential logical basis when weighing the risks and rewards, ie the value of a tetanus shot, we can see that if the CDC information is correct, 58 lives were saved in WWII from tetanus, over the course of approximately 4 years, or, a little over 14 per year, in combat circumstances. Hmmmm.

And this lovely little tidbit:

"Laboratory Diagnosis
No laboratory findings are characteristic of tetanus. The diagnosis is entirely clinical and does not depend upon bacteriologic confirmation. C. tetani is recovered from the wound in only 30% of cases and can be isolated from patients who do not have tetanus. Laboratory identification of the organism depends most importantly on the demonstration of toxin production in mice."

Boy this sounds like how they quit counting paralysis as polio after the polio vaccine hit the market.

(Can't you just hear the military propaganda playing in the background, as the politicians grab their bullhorns, provided free of charge by the pharmaceutical industrialists of the era, and shout to the masses "We value the lives of our loyal soldiers, marching into war where thousands will be shot dead permanently disabled traumatized leading to permanent medical dependence and often times family ruin, and to make up for that we are dedicated to saving 14 soldiers per year by vaccinating all of them with a slightly experimental and possibly dangerous vaccine, for a medical problem that we have limited understanding of now and for which even in 80 years the offending toxin we will vaccinate against will be absent from 70% of the wounds in the recorded cases and for which there is still a significant failure rate even in up to date boosterized vaccine recipients!! Hooray for Uncle Sam! Wait, was Uncle Sam by chance a pharmaceutical rep?"

More generalities from the CDC site:
Mortality from tetanus in the unvaccinated ranging in the 22% range, versus 11% in the vaccinated, and disproportionally large numbers of modern tetanus patients being diabetic or intravenous drug users - i.e. immune system compromised - sugar rears its ugly head yet again, and when was the last time anybody thought IDUs were a stellar example of nutritional health and wellness? And the two babies with tetanus born to the mothers who, gasp! had not been vaccinated, were those mothers diabetic or drug users? That pertinent fact remains unspecified. But, eating like the FDA has recommended for decades: lots of carbs and plenty of added sugar and no healthy fats, an often discussed recipe for diabetes, begs the question of what the real problem is: tetanus itself, or malnutrition preventing the immune system from handling tetanus, known to be present in the intestines of healthy people and animals, well. What role does intestinal permeability play in an anaerobic bacteria being able to cross unhampered into the blood stream, say due to the presence of amplified gluten levels in hybridized wheat in the early 20th century.

Now couple that CDC phrase "No laboratory findings are characteristic of tetanus" with a group of symptoms also found in other medical conditions - for instance meningitis and rabies, and lets just say it might occur simultaneously as unrecognized symptoms of the onset of sepsis, for the heck of it.

Assuming there was a decline in mortality rates in WWII from "tetanus," or anything else in wounded soldiers, as compared to WWI, hat has been left out of the discussion? Maybe the fact that sulfa antibiotics had been developed in the interim? Duh. Powdered antibiotics being sprinkled on battlefield wounds by medics (also so widely used as to create, arguably, the first round of antibiotic resistant pathogens in the sexually transmitted diseases). And then, the even more powerful penicillin also discovered in the interim and undergoing rapid mass production development in time for the last year of war for US soldiers-fermented in huge vats of corn waste based on agricultural science - whereas it wasn't mass produced by the Germans. Battlefield wound treatment morphed from keeping wounds opened for draining purposes until the wounded could reach a surgery somewhere, to disinfecting the wound on the battlefield and closing it up until surgery could be reached, probably preventing additional pathogens from coming in contact with wounded soldiers' blood, and preventing things like meningitis and sepsis.

But hey, let's not discuss all of that complicated stuff and just say that the tetanus vaccine saved our soldiers in WWII from the ravages of tetanus.

Laurie,

I have read Dissolving Illusions and many more books on vaccines. The tetanus vaccine is VERY effective at preventing tetanus. There were thousands of deaths from tetanus from battlefield conditions in the Civil War and WWI, but there were NONE among American troops in WWII because ALL of the American soldiers had been given the vaccine. There were MANY among German troops in WWII because they did NOT get the vaccine. The tetanus vaccine is usually very safe, although like all vaccines it has caused severe reactions and even death. My daughter and I are going to finish the meningococcal nosode series next week and then we'll start the graduated nosodes to prevent tetanus. There are many studies showing how effective they are and that's by far the best way to prevent potentially dangerous diseases. I also bought the pneumococcal meningitis series, and I'm thinking about getting the Hib nosodes.

I just saw a video on Youtube about triplets who all reacted with autism as well as deafness and blindness within hours of the Prevnar vaccine. I'm always turning over and considering the information I have about vaccines and the diseases. I said here the other day that I was reconsidering the Prevnar vaccine after learning that there used to many more deaths from it than I had found several years ago when I researched it. Now I'm going back to continuing not to recommend it, mostly because of the video. I think, though, that all parents should give their babies the nosodes to prevent pertussis, Hib, pneumococcal, and meningococcal disease.

It's very important to read information from both sides. A lot of vaccine critics go too far and hold that none of the VPDs is dangerous enough to receive the vaccinations for them. In the First World, at least. It's important to remember that there are few cases and few deaths from the VPDs BECAUSE nearly all children are vaccinated against them. You've got to bear that in mind as you think about the issue. If there were a thousand deaths a year from tetanus and/or diphtheria in the US, then I guarantee you that everyone would get the vaccine, and they would also wonder what else the vaccine critics had been wrong about. If there were a hundred children crippled by polio, same thing. I wouldn't want people to go too far in the other direction and think they need to believe everything provaxxers say and get the MMR, varicella, hep-B, hep-A, vaccines, etc.

I believe in free choice regarding vaccines, preferably extremely well-informed free choice. But not give in to the temptation to believe everything that ANYONE says about vaccines. You've got to research every disease and every vaccine yourself.

This is brilliant . Of course vax were dangerous to some before liability was removed and before the ridiculous overload but the people we are trying to wake up will never discover that until we wake them up to the basic point. Only liability-free I think you need the hyphen. Excellent.

We need elevator speeches and this is a good one.

We also need open records from VAERS and the court.

We also need folks to envision their worst enemy running the US and determining what is in vaccines and which you need even if they profit.

Great article Ginger thanks.The bit that`s verging on tripping,is when someone thinks they are `outing` you as anti vaccine..eye roll eye roll.
Black Adder adding with Boldrick looks easy, except the exercise to be taught usually retrospectively and coterminous is the cumulation of cluster -vac, vaccines.

Baldrick Adding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycjhqN4LTq4

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Ginger brings up some great points. It is sad to watch the demise of Maine if they fall into the same mannerism as SB277 where Los Angeles Kindergarteners saw a 17% increase in Autism as a result of the new laws in just the first 3 months of school. My experience of talking about vaccines with Baby Boomers and others is that as soon as they hear the word Vaccines, the discussion is over because they believe that vaccines saved people from Polio and other illnesses which is a far cry from the truth. More people get seizures, are injured or die from vaccines than from illnesses they are supposed to prevent. 54% of our children are chronically ill and I believe that number to be underestimated at this point in time. It has become harder to have a conversation about vaccines than to talk with a member of a religious cult, so I too will try Ginger's approach to see if that helps.

No more liability free vaccines, incentivized to fail, harm, and remove "herd immunity!"

I was about to say about the same thing as Linda. Vaccines weren't safe even before they were liability-free. See DPT: A Shot in the Dark and Vaccine Roulette, also all the damage from the smallpox, scarlet fever (short-lived efforts), polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and early MMR vaccines. I don't think anyone had a clear understanding of their risk. My mother reacted to the diphtheria vaccine in the '30s with Asperger's and bowel disease for the rest of her life. My brother and I reacted to our first DPT with screaming syndrome for several days (me) and beating his head on the bars of his crib for months (him), and both of us developed Asperger's as a result. Both he and I have autistic children (post 1986).

But then the issue is the same as it has always been. Do you want to take the risk of one or more vaccines and in most cases get vaccine protection from the diseases or not take the risk and take your chances with the diseases? That is a very personal calculation which everyone must be free to make and then accept or reject. In my opinion, for most people it would be a good idea to get the DT series after the age of two, maybe three, years old. Polio only if it comes back here, the Hib series for babies that HAVE to be in daycare in their first year, starting at four months old, not three. I've been reading about pneumococcal disease and Prevnar, and I think maybe I underestimated the number of deaths caused by the disease. I'll have to look at the links again where I got my information on mortality from the disease before the vaccine and compare it with the figures I read the other day, much higher. I haven't gotten beyond that point yet, and recognize that the vaccines for both are often very dangerous.

I am against vaccines being liability-free, also against any vaccine mandates ever, for anyone. But beyond that, it has to be a well-informed, personal choice. Tetanus still has a very high death rate when it occurs, even with hospital care. Lower, probably MUCH lower, with IV vitamin C treatment, but still. It wouldn't be sensible to reject all vaccines because they're liability-free, but then die of tetanus. Or Hib disease. You can't guard against all eventualities, but you should bear in mind that some of the VPDs are very dangerous and it would still be possible to die of them. As my mother would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face. But there's also always the option of homeopathic nosodes. And homeopathic treatment in conjunction with allopathic treatment where necessary.

And there you have it!

Well written Ginger... it is almost like there has been a WALL BUILT around the VACCINE INDUSTRY to PROTECT THEM.

As things are a bit slow in Washington DC right now, perhaps the President should write up a few simple EXECUTIVE ORDERS to help move some things along. Perhaps a sign on a WALL might help.

1) Pediatricians should be required to have a POSTER in waiting rooms of the entire CDC Vaccine Schedule which “clearly states” that NO ONE can be held responsible for ANY DAMN VACCINE in the United States. (even those shipped in from China )

2) The poster should also state than NONE of the DAMN VACCINES have ever been tested for possible harmful combinations.

3) It should show that SIDS peaks for SOME DAMN REASON at 2 - 8 months of age.

As both “bought out political parties” would oppose anything with the TRUTH, they might then decide to work together on a partial WALL to protect the US of A.