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"Liability Free Vaccines"

By Ginger Taylor, MS

Vaccine refusalIt is a phrase that I first read in a comment by “cmo” here on Age of Autism in 2010, and we should have been using it this whole time.

We have all heard it from our peers (and our elders) when we say that we are not vaccinating any more because the vaccine program is corrupt and high risk.

“But I was vaccinated and I am fine.”

Then we attempt to launch into a 30 minute educational session on the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, Bruesewitz v. Wyeth, Hannah Poling, Poul Thorson, William Thompson, Thomas Verstraeten, Julie Gerberding, HHS's failure to do their legally mandated vaccine safety research for 32 years, and no this is not really about Andrew Wakefield.

In an attempt to stop having to tell my story over and over again, I even managed to get a Johns Hopkins bioethics journal to print my very wordy reason for “No,” so that I could just hand it to people rather than explaining over and over and over.

Narrative Inquiry in Bioethics: “Families are Under No Obligation to Put Their Children at Risk By Participating in the Corrupt Current US National Immunization Program”

I ended my piece with this statement:

“The controversy surrounding vaccinations will never be resolved until the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act is repealed, and until families 7th amendment rights to have their complaints heard in civil court, under established legal procedure and ruled on by a jury, is restored.

Until there is a way to force public health officials, vaccine industry representatives and medical professionals to testify under oath, and under penalty of perjury, to either defend or retract their fraudulent claims, to pay for the damages done to children (including my child) for their institutionalized abuse and negligence, I will never consent to another member of my family participating in the vaccine program under any circumstances.”

I could have put it more succinctly by just saying, “we won't use liability free vaccines any more.”

After doing this for 15 years I am a bit exhausted by the whole exercise of explaining, and expounding, and reminding, so as we here in Maine start up our fight against what promises to be an “SB277” type bill coming to our legislature, I have decided there is a more simple way to make this case without a 30 minute conversation, 30 times a day.

As there has not been a simple “vaccine” administered to a child for school entry since the 80s, I am going to stop talking about “vaccines,” and talk about “liability free vaccines.”

I am going to point out that what the Maine mandatory vaccine law was written before 1985, was applicable to “vaccines,” when families had legal recourse against vaccine makers for corruption and hidden risks, and that current law should not apply to “Liability Free Vaccines.” Which is what we have now.

I am philosophically opposed to my child receiving liability free vaccines. Boom. Done.

“But you HAVE to! Do you want polio to come back?!”

No, I don't have to. If you were really afraid of polio coming back, you would replace liability to vaccine makers and fix the corruption in the vaccine program. You have not done your job to protect my children for the last 30 years. I'm out.

What I received as a child, even though in some cases they may be sold by the same company under the same brand name, was a fundamentally different product than what my children were given.  Vaccine makers were subject to liability to harm from their products. That ended the year I graduated from high school.

Justice Sotomayor and Justice Ginsburg have correctly pointed out that vaccines free from liability when they are defectively designed, give no reason for vaccine makers to improve design, to mind how they are distributed, or to even keep up with basic or emerging science:


SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 09–152
RUSSELL BRUESEWITZ, ET AL., PETITIONERS v. WYETH LLC, FKA WYETH, INC., FKA WYETH LABORATORIES, ET AL.
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
[February 22, 2011]
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR, with whom JUSTICE GINSBURG joins, dissenting.


Vaccine manufacturers have long been subject to a legal duty, rooted in basic principles of products liability law, to improve the designs of their vaccines in light of advances in science and technology. Until today, that duty was enforceable through a traditional state-law tort action for defective design. In holding that §22(b)(1) of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (Vaccine Act or Act), 42 U. S. C. §300aa–22(b)(1), pre-empts all design defect claims for injuries stemming from vaccines covered under the Act, the Court imposes its own bare policy preference over the considered judgment of Congress. In doing so, the Court excises 13 words from the statutory text, misconstrues the Act’s legislative history, and disturbs the careful balance Congress struck between compensating vaccine-injured children and stabilizing the childhood vaccine market. Its decision leaves a regulatory vacuum in which no one ensures that vaccine manufacturers adequately take account of scientific and technological advancements when designing or distributing their products. Because nothing in the text, structure, or legislative history of the Vaccine Act remotely suggests that Congress intended such a result, I respectfully dissent.

Legislatures are ignorant of vaccine liability protection, and think vaccination has not changed since the mid-20th century. 

“But I was vaccinated and I am fine.”

But you were not given liability free vaccines.

It is a fundamentally different product line, subject to minimal oversight, and vaccine makers have no impetus to design them well or even manufacture them cleanly.

It is up to those who are advocating for vaccine mandates to defend the use of these products, and defend their mandates for school.

So let's start calling these products what they are, “Liability Free Vaccines” so that nobody can possibly confuse them with the vaccines made once upon a time by manufacturers who could have been sued for a faulty product.

I am philosophically opposed to my child receiving liability free vaccines.

 

About the Author: Ginger Taylor, MS, is the director of the Maine Coalition for Vaccine Choice.

Comments

Sharie Walter

Little known fact: the polio vaccine was the CAUSE of most polio cases.

“When national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1950s, the number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the U.S. as a whole. For example, Vermont reported 15 cases of polio during the one-year report period ending August 30, 1954 (before mass inoculations), compared to 55 cases of polio during the one-year period ending August 30, 1955 (after mass inoculations)–  266% increase. Rhode Island reported 22 cases during the before inoculations period as compared to 122 cases during the after inoculations period — 454% increase. In New Hampshire the figures increased from 38 to 129; in Connecticut they rose from 144 to 276; and in Massachusetts they  swelled  from 273  to 2027 — whopping 642% increase.

Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institutes of Health during the 1950s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was causing polio. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventive and dangerous to take” They refused to vaccinate their own children. Health departments banned the inoculations. Even Salk himself was quoted as saying: “When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks” But the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, and drug companies with large investments in the vaccine coerced the U.S. Public Health Service into falsely proclaiming the vaccine was safe  and  effective .

Link: http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-2-2/

Another good read: https://thevaccinereaction.org/2016/11/acute-flaccid-myelitis-and-routine-childhood-vaccinations-this-is-nothing-new/

cia parker

Michael,

I don't know what happened to iodine in wound care. Personally, I think it's great, but alcohol and iodine both sting. But, of course, better that than an infection. You can also put one drop in a gallon of water to kill germs. I don't think hydrogen pyroxide stings. Does it?

We had Merthiolate in our medicine cabinet too. It was probably just more grist for the mercury mill in our brains.

David,

Thank you. It's very disturbing how most people are willing to just take everything on faith, even when it's something as serious as brain damage from conventional medical care.

rtp

Eindecker or Cia,

Can either of you point to statistics on total rates of trismus since the tetanus vaccine?

We need this data to ascertain whether the vaccine did any good or whether it was just a case of diagnostic substitution - just like every other vaccine "success" story.

Thanks in advance.

David Weiner

Cia Parker, your comment is spot on:

"However, my friend's saying the other day Wow, look how great modern medicine is! The pace maker has restored my mother to her usual kind, talkative self! That CLEARLY shows that EVERYTHING modern medical authorities say and recommend is truthful information which should be adhered to."

This is one of the big obstacles that we are up against. People have been indoctrinated into thinking that "Modern medicine" is monolithic. That if medicine has made some impressive progress in certain areas, then that is true of the whole too. It is much more informative to evaluate the different components separately. There has been good headway in certain areas (e.g. surgery, imaging), other areas have seen stagnation, while others (e.g. pediatrics, obstetrics, psychiatry) have gotten worse. It is tough to convey this kind of nuance, though, to the true believers.

michael

So where is iodine on wound care? I grew up using Merthiolate. Oy!! Talk about sting. Things I will do different in my next life.

cia parker

I should have mentioned about my friends in Mexico City that I talked a lot with them about vaccine damage when we were there in June. One of them said that the library at the UNAM where she taught had the book The Age of Autism in the university library. I highly recommended that she read it. And the fact that she had noticed it and remembered it shows that educated people in Mexico are starting to think about vaccine damage.

However, my friend's saying the other day Wow, look how great modern medicine is! The pace maker has restored my mother to her usual kind, talkative self! That CLEARLY shows that EVERYTHING modern medical authorities say and recommend is truthful information which should be adhered to.

I think this shows the dangers of failure to differentiate and learn about each of the diseases and vaccines individually, as well as all other medical procedures. And it's not that they don't have time. It's just easier to take what the authorities say on faith. And this goes for both sides of the vaccine question.

cia parker

Eindeker

I read your links. The first one just seemed to want to debunk common wisdom, saying that both hydrogen pyroxide and alcohol were terrible ideas for cleansing a wound, and just rubbing it with water was enough. Ouch. Also that scabs are bad and prevent healing, but if you get one, just leave it alone anyway. There seems to be a dramatic divergence of opinion on scabs, and, personally, it literally takes forever for one of my wounds to heal if I keep it moist and covered with a loose bandage. I eventually get very worried, take off the bandage, let a scab form, and then it eventually heals. The Mercola article recommended the use of hydrogen pyroxide, and the author said he always carried a spray bottle with it when he traveled.

cia parker

Shelley,

But the tetanus spores are found in the excrement of a high percentage of almost all mammals. Dogs, cats, horses, raccoons, foxes, gerbils (one of our gerbil care books when we had gerbils said that they could carry tetanus, and that's why I got a tetanus booster in 2005 when Bianca, thenceforth named Killer, bit me and wouldn't let go), humans, and many more. Yes, there was more tetanus when everyone used horses and there was horse manure everywhere. But tetanus still occurs everywhere, usually in people over 50 who haven't gotten tetanus boosters in decades. Tetanus spores have been found in the dust on desktops in high-rise city buildings.

We live in the suburbs, where I have seen dozens of raccoons, a colony of them lived in a clump of pine trees in our yard until we got our dog, dozens of opossums, and once I saw a fox killed on the road a few blocks from here. You can hear coyotes howling at night, and I've seen a few coyotes. That means that there is a lot of manure being excreted by these animals which contains tetanus spores, which can survive for decades in the soil. Once my father bought a truck load of Missouri River dirt to put on my flower bed. Bad idea, it had millions of seeds of plants I didn't want, weeds. And it undoubtedly had tetanus spores since it was direct from the river, without having been sterilized. Probably a lot of gardeners here have done the same. When I read that Hilary Butler had said that you could get tetanus from a prick by a rose thorn, I couldn't believe it, until I realized that the rose bush would have been grown with manure as fertilizer.

Half of all cases of tetanus are from shallow or inapparent wounds. I was thinking about wood splinters, which are a frequent cause of tetanus when it occurs. I have gotten many over the years, but can't pull them out with tweezers, because they break. I have to get a pin and push it into the already inflamed flesh next to the splinter and leverage the splinter upwards. After several minutes of this, I can usually grab a long piece of splinter and pull it out. The point is that the tetanus spores, if they're there, are under the splinter, protected from the air, and in order to cleanse it, you'd have to take a sterile razor blade and make a slit along the splinter, a little deeper than the splinter, and then cleanse the area. I don't know about other people, but I don't think I'd be able to deliberately slit my flesh with a razor blade, it would make me ill.

Eindeker,

Thank you for your account of the young man who died in hospital of tetanus from a small piece of dirt at the bottom of a wound. What a shame. I wish it were known if he had been vaccinated and if he had been given THIG when he arrived at the hospital, or if it were too later for it to do any good. I've recounted here that my father as a boy in Louisiana in the '30s (lots of hot, rich Mississippi dirt and a lot of manure), saw a man die of tetanus in his father's doctor's office. There was nothing anyone could do to save him. (And my father also got malaria there when he was twelve: everyone in the South got malaria in the days before DDT and draining swamps. Many got yellow fever as well. And typhoid.)

I've read that these days they no longer recommend the use of hydrogen pyroxide to cleanse wounds. I'll read your links, but to me it seems to make sense to use it, at least on minor wounds. The bubbling action is very satisfying emotionally.

Eindecker

Hydrogen peroxide Hans!!! Even more nonsense than usual from you https://advancedtissue.com/2014/07/debunking-myths-wound-care/ For goodness sake even one of Mercola’s articles says it’s a stupid idea: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/06/11/hydrogen-peroxide-wound-cleaning.aspx
Cia when I started my career as a research microbiologist in a major UK hospital in the early70’s I remember a very sad case of a young man dying of tetanus following a road traffic accident. He was in hospital so had full clinical wound care, unfortunately at pm they found a small pellet of dirt deep in the wound that couldn’t be seen without dissecting the wound, but sufficient to provide anaerobic conditions for the C tetani to grow and kill the man. Before anyone asks I have no idea whether he was vaccinated or not. Clearly superficial rinsing or sprinkling anything on the surface would have been pointless.

Shelley Tzorfas

The reason that Tetanus was higher in the 1920's was because the streets were lined with horse, cow and pig manure in which particles would often enter the wounds. A typical NYC street had pigs running wild as a means to get rid of trash. Then came the automobiles which replaced animal excrement.

cia parker

Eindeker,

It was actually your reference, and I thank you for it. It has very interesting and valuable information. I don't remember if I tried to use Google the time I tried but wasn't able to open it, I now habitually use Duckduckgo or Yandex for subjects that Google is known to censor.

Yes, I thought what you said myself. I read about the inconceivably high figures for wounds and injuries during the wars, in the MILLIONS. And I thought that if the US in 1923 had over six hundred deaths in one year from tetanus, how many more would there have been under battlefield conditions? (Answer: a LOT more.)

Hans,

I think it's a good idea to pour hydrogen pyroxide on wounds to kill as many germs as possible. The problem with deep wounds is that those are the ones which are tetanus-prone, where the germs are protected from the oxygen of the open air. And antibiotics applied to the surface cannot reach the germs deep down under the surface. Antibiotics in general have limited use in the treatment of tetanus, because it is the toxin produced and not the germs themselves that cause the severe and painful contractions of the muscles, which can cause heart failure. Same as for pertussis, it is the toxin produced which paralyzes the vilia in the breathing passages which makes it harder to cough out the mucus from the lungs. Antibiotics only prevent its transmission to other people, but do nothing to treat the disease in the person with pertussis.

I think everyone should be concerned about both vaccines AND the vaccine-preventable diseases as well as all other likely diseases in your area (like strep throat), and become as fully-informed about all of them as possible. They all pose hazards to the health of you and your family members. I totally agree that all vaccines are dangerous, but they aren't all equally dangerous to everyone, and many people are willing to take the risk of certain (even all, heaven forbid) vaccines rather than the risks of the diseases. I completely agree that children who haven't gotten any vaccines are, as a group, much healthier than those who get vaccines. The problem is that a certain number of those who haven't gotten any vaccines, or certain vaccines, are going to be disabled or even killed by VPDs which they would have avoided had they gotten the vaccines for them. I think that rather than tell people not to get any vaccines, it's better to say that measles, mumps, rubella, and chickenpox are relatively mild in most (but not all) children and even adults and they are extremely beneficial in most. Flu, pertussis, hep-A, rotavirus, HPV are usually relatively mild and give either permanent or long-lasting immunity if you've never gotten the vaccines (I'm thinking of pertussis here), and they are also very beneficial in the long run for most, but not all. Polio and diphtheria are very dangerous diseases in those who get clinical cases of them, but they're no longer present in the US (but could come back). Tetanus is rare but very dangerous when it occurs, as it always might without vaccination or homeopathic prophylaxis. Hib disease, pneumococcal, and meningococcal meningitis are extremely dangerous when they present clinically. The vaccines for them ARE dangerous. I'd get the nosodes for these, starting in early infancy (also give the nosode for pertussis to an infant starting at one month old).

You've go to differentiate for the sake of honesty. Most people say Well, I got all the vaccines recommended, and look how great I turned out! And without the vaccines, many of us would have died. You can't tell them Well, you would have been much healthier (and not had the asthma, mold allergies and hay fever, eczema, gluten-intolerance, etc.) if you HADN'T gotten the vaccines. Or you can tell them, but most people won't believe you. I talked to a friend in Mexico City the other day whose mother had just been in the hospital for three weeks: they put a pace maker in her because her heart was failing. I talked to her for an hour, and she sounded great. He said, in Spanish, Just LOOK at what modern medicine does! That's the problem with not differentiating. I didn't even try to say Well, that's great, surgery for many conditions is great, crisis care for those injured or wounded in car wrecks, etc. is great, but most vaccines most of the time are NOT great.

I think you HAVE to divide the vaccines and disease up into separate categories and think carefully about all of them. We are severely vaccine-damaged, I with MS (mercury poisoning) and mito disorder and Cecily with autism, bowel disease, and mito disorder, from vaccine reactions. I'm not trying to defend vaccines: I know the damage they can cause. But when you think about people suffering horribly and dying of the more severe VPDs, you have to give the issues more thought. As for those who are immunocompromised (usually from vaccine damage), I'd have to say that homeopathic nosodes were made for them, so they don't have to run the risk of either the vaccines or vulnerability to diseases which are mild in healthy people. My one qualm is that we don't know much about how long nosode protection lasts. If you only get the 30C potency, it looks like maybe two or three years. If you do the graduated potencies, 30C, 200C, 1M, 10M, it looks like it creates antibodies which will protect for maybe ten years. Maybe longer, I don't think anyone knows at this time. But they're inexpensive, and if you didn't forget, it would be easy to do another course every few years.

Hans Litten

Hydrogen Peroxide Cia !

I was hoping you might give the VPDs bs a rest in 2019 ?

Eindeker

Jenny please get it right...we can see that if the CDC information is correct, 58 lives were saved in WWII from tetanus, over the course of approximately 4 years, or, a little over 14 per year, in combat circumstances. Hmmmm. Cia's reference refers to cases per 100,000 wounds, not total cases!!!

Thomas McLeod

First, “If you were really afraid of polio coming back, you would replace liability to vaccine makers and fix the corruption in the vaccine program” is a brilliant comeback.

Second, that a "liability-free vaccine" is not a "vaccine" is a simple point that has sound-bite appeal, which aids in public communication. For good or for bad, the 30-second sound bite dominates our current media culture. Our opposition has spent tens of millions of dollars, sometimes under the guise scientific research, to develop and test what amounts to catch-phases and sounds bites. We all know what they are, and through constant repetition, so does the general public: “safe and effective,” “herd immunity,” “Andrew Wakefield,” “vaccine -preventable disease,” etc. We need to up our game in this regard, and liability-free vaccine is a step in the right direction.

Third, our opponents have not limited their spending to creation of campaigns to about their products. They have also worked hard to develop messaging about us. This is something that some on our side find difficult to face or understand: we are being directly targeted by government propaganda under the influence of a powerful industry. The explosion of the term “anti-vaxxer” circa 2015 was not an accident. Nor did the phrase arise organically in the American vernacular. It is a manufactured political label pushed from the top of the vaccine hierarchy. Our opponents wish it to invoke backwardness, selfishness and a kind of dangerous mass delusion that requires immediate and decisive condemnation to, as Dr. Peter Hotez said in Scientific American, “snuff it out.” We need to pay more attention to political labels and language. We must vigilant against the type of hate speech that the anti-vaxxer campaign tends to incite. But we must also fight back against the white coat segregationists who push laws that would throw tens of thousands of our children out of school by using our own slogans and labels that have the pith to capture attention and the emotional punch to throw of opponents off center. Notice that I used the word “segregationist.” What else does one call someone who wants to deny school to children based on the birth physiology? Of course I am referring to the human immune system. This is combative and adversarial, but it is also the reality of our position. This is not the time of seeking compromise or cooperation while our kids are under this kind of threat.

cia parker

And sprinkling sulfa drugs on a tetanus-prone wound would do nothing. Tetanus only grows in a strictly anaerobic environment, with no oxygen. Killing germs on the surface would not touch the tetanus germs below the surface, protected from the air.

cia parker

Jenny,

As to tetanus mortality in WWI and WWII, I was able to get the article Eindeker linked some time ago, but I had to go to the Yandex search engine to get it. Google wouldn't do it.

"The recent experience in the Far East including that in Korea had added little, if any, new information concerning immunization to tetanus. It is perhaps of some interest and significance, however, that the entirely satisfactory effect of this procedure has been confirmed during this latest conflict. The World War II experience with active immunization to tetanus using tetanus toxoid has been reported elsewhere and need not be recounted here (1). It is adequate to recall that as shown in table 1 only some 12 cases of tetanus occurred among nearly 3,000,000 wound and injury casualties during that period. This represents a reduction in frequency of tetanus to about one-thirtieth of that reported during World War I. There is no question of the potential hazards from the infection during the World War II period since numerous cases were reported among the unimmunized German Forces in Europe and among Japanese troops and civilians in the Pacific areas.

Table 2 indicates the status of immunization of the 12 cases reported. It is seen that only 4 of the 12 were in individuals whose records indicated that immunization was in complete accordance with established procedures.

As indicated above, this success was repeated during the Korean conflict, when only one case of tetanus was reported. This resulted from a non-battle type of injury occurring as a result of a bulldozer accident. It was nonfatal and occurred in an individual who, though he had received adequate basic immunization, was not given an emergency stimulating dose of toxoid at the time of injury. This, of course, serves to emphasize again that protection from tetanus by active immunization is based on the immunologic preparation of the individual by the basic immunization and the stimulation of protective antitoxin levels by the dose of toxoid administered at the time of injury."

Chart: WWI: admissions for wounds: 523,158 cases of tetanus: 70 cases per 100,000 wounds 13.4
WWII: admissions for wounds: 2,734,810 cases of tetanus: 12 cases per 100,000 wounds 0.44

https://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/korea/recad2/ch6-6.html

So vaccinated American soldiers in WWII got tetanus at one-thirtieth of the rate of unvaccinated soldiers in WWI. And notice that it observes that unvaccinated German and Japanese soldiers and civilians continued to get tetanus at the normal rate.

And no, you can't make a laboratory diagnosis of tetanus. But Harrison's, 17th edition, p. 899, says about clinical diagnosis: "The differential diagnosis includes conditions also producing trismus, such as alveolar abscess, strychnine poisoning, dystonic drug reactions, and hypocalcemic tetany. In addition, meningitis/encephalitis, rabies, and an acute intra-abdominal process (because of the rigid abdomen), might be considered. Markedly increased tone in central muscles (face, neck, chest, back, and abdomen), with superimposed generalized spasms and relative sparing of hands and feet, strongly suggests tetanus."

Dr. Michaela Glockler, in A Guide to Child Health, fourteenth edition, p. 159, says: "This vaccination is one of the most harmless, and the illness in unvaccinated patients, is one of the most serious ones we know, with a mortality rate of one-third to one-half of those who contract the disease. Even parents opposed to vaccination on principle generally accept vaccination for a child who has survived a case of tetanus." She recommends, however, that it not be given to a child under one year old (others say not until two or three years old), and that too many boosters are dangerous and reactive.

In the US, the worst year for tetanus was before the vaccine, in 1923, when 1,560 cases were reported, with a 40% mortality, so 624 deaths a year from tetanus.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.54.5.769

This link shows that mortality from tetanus in the US was between 52% and 78% in the '50s and '60s. Hospital treatment for it is not very effective even now, and there is no specific treatment for it if it's too late for the antitoxin. They can give muscle relaxants and antibiotics, but the symptoms are caused by a toxin released by the bacteria, not the bacteria themselves, so once the symptoms start it may be too late for antibiotics to help.

It is fine with me if people want to reject the tetanus series. I would like them to make a fully-informed choice, however. If they don't get the vaccine or the nosode, there is a small chance that they will get tetanus, and if they do, there's a good chance that they will die of it. The antitoxin given at the time of the wound may save their life, but it's not nearly as effective as having already gotten the toxoid vaccine series previously. If they're all right with that, then that's fine with me.

And it's the same as always. The vaccine is NEARLY 100% effective in preventing tetanus, but not 100%. It is safe in NEARLY everyone, but not everyone. The disease is ALWAYS possible, and if it occurs, it is devastating and often fatal.

cia parker

Shelley,

It used to be that just the T was available, it was also available as the DT (for children under seven), or as the dT (lower-dose diphtheria). Or, of course, in the very dangerous DPT. When Cecily was almost five, I got her just the T, no D and no P. The pediatrician I went to for that one, actually I had to go to the pharmacy and special order it myself and then go pick it up and take it and my daughter to the pediatrician's office, where they gave the injection there), said she was expecting her fifth child. The first ones she had vaccinated as per recommendation, but she said the one that was coming would ONLY get the tetanus series. That was in 2005. Shortly thereafter, the single T was discontinued in the US, and it was only available as the DT or dT, or DTaP. The combined diphtheria and tetanus vaccine seems to be both less reactive and more effective than the T alone. It's true that there's no diphtheria in the US now. Also true that it requires an additional pathogen inside the diphtheria germ to allow it to cause the horrific symptoms and outcomes of diphtheria in its clinical form. Diphtheria germs are very common and continue to be around us all the time. We don't see children choking to death from diphtheria as they did by the tens of thousands before the vaccine. This may be because close to 100% of all children have gotten at least five shots containing the diphtheria vaccine, or it may be that the diphtheria germs prevalent in the US at this time do not have the parasitizing germs with them which enable the severe symptoms and frequent deaths. However, diphtheria made a come-back in the former Soviet Union around the time of its collapse in the years around 1990, and it killed thousands, while sickening many more.

It is NOT true that the only way you can get tetanus protection is by getting the DTaP. You can get just the DT. And it is NOT true that in the 47 states which allow personal exemptions to vaccine "requirements," that it's always all or nothing. Here in Missouri you're allowed to pick and choose the vaccines you have a religious objection to. I've taken very sincere religious exemptions for my daughter over the years and have had to go down the list checking each vaccine I objected to. All of them, if I were to change my mind, I'd change my mind and not tell them. This year they said I had to get ANOTHER vaccine exemption. I asked Why? I've always objected to ALL of them! They said Well, this year is the first that we're "requiring" the meningococcal vaccine for incoming seniors, so you have to expressly object to that one if you're going to. So I went to the health department again for the form, and meningococcal vaccine wasn't even on the silly form. I wrote it in at the bottom with a check next to it and checked off all the others too. And added the flu vaccine and checked it too.

This would differ by state. I've also read that you can make a conscientious objection even in states which "require" vaccines, but I don't have any more knowledge of whether it's legal everywhere or not.

Tetanus spores are also all around us all the time. Same thing, vaccine protection usually lasts at least forty years, and close to 100% of children get at least five vaccines containing the tetanus vaccine. Also true that most people know they need to thoroughly cleanse wounds to prevent most cases of tetanus. Also true that most cases of tetanus now are from wounds the person was unaware of having gotten. And true that many people have immunity from natural low-level exposure over the years.

Barry,

It's certainly true that any vaccine can cause vaccine encephalitis and autism, etc. It's always going to be the case that you're taking a risk one way or the other. But consider that in 1980, the autism rate in the US was one in 10,000. When it occurred, it nearly always occurred as a reaction to the pertussis vaccine. Think about the millions upon millions of Americans who got many doses of the (very dangerous) DPT vaccine before 1990, and continued to NOT get autism. Nobody had ever heard of autism until the vaccine epidemic started in 1990.

So certainly, all parents must do a lot of soul-searching, read a lot, talk to other people, and read the testimony of those whose children reacted to vaccines with autism. Diphtheria and tetanus are horrifyingly cruel diseases with high mortality even with the best of hospital care. Yes, vitamin C by IV would probably greatly reduce mortality, and should certainly be used when they occur. Diphtheria still has about 10% mortality even in a hospital, and tetanus has mortality around 30-40%, even with hospital care.

I would like very much to see a long-term study done on outcomes in children who ONLY got the DT series after the age of two or three. But, for obvious reasons, it's unlikely this study will ever be done. So parents have to make the decision based on what we know now. Also true that there are nosodes available which will effectively prevent both diseases: we're going to start the nosode series in graduated potencies for tetanus in a few weeks, after we finish the series for meningococcal meningitis.

Shelley,

I agree that the DPT was a very dangerous vaccine, and the DTaP continues to be very dangerous as well. But it was mainly because of the pertussis component. And, again, it is NOT the case that to get tetanus protection the only way is by getting the DTaP. In the US, at least, it is ALWAYS possible to just get the DT with no pertussis.

I do NOT agree that to be a good antivaxxer, you have to deny the dangers of all the VPDs, saying that good nutrition, hygiene, etc., will prevent all deaths and all disability caused by any VPD. And I do NOT agree that to be a good antivaxxer, you have to accept certain texts as the gospel truth.

Jenny

Thankyou, Ginger, for a good article.

On the side topic of tetanus I think everyone should read the whole page on the CDC site. It is revealing in what it says about tetanus, and what pertinent questions are left out of the discussion.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html

Here are two interesting excerpts:
"Tetanus toxoid was first produced in 1924, and tetanus toxoid immunizations were used extensively in the armed services during World War II. Tetanus cases among this population declined from 70 in World War I (13.4/100,000 wounds and injuries) to 12 in World War II (0.44/100,000). Of the 12 case-patients, half had received no prior toxoid."

So, in re: to the highly emotional example of how many lives were saved in WWII as a potential logical basis when weighing the risks and rewards, ie the value of a tetanus shot, we can see that if the CDC information is correct, 58 lives were saved in WWII from tetanus, over the course of approximately 4 years, or, a little over 14 per year, in combat circumstances. Hmmmm.

And this lovely little tidbit:

"Laboratory Diagnosis
No laboratory findings are characteristic of tetanus. The diagnosis is entirely clinical and does not depend upon bacteriologic confirmation. C. tetani is recovered from the wound in only 30% of cases and can be isolated from patients who do not have tetanus. Laboratory identification of the organism depends most importantly on the demonstration of toxin production in mice."

Boy this sounds like how they quit counting paralysis as polio after the polio vaccine hit the market.

(Can't you just hear the military propaganda playing in the background, as the politicians grab their bullhorns, provided free of charge by the pharmaceutical industrialists of the era, and shout to the masses "We value the lives of our loyal soldiers, marching into war where thousands will be shot dead permanently disabled traumatized leading to permanent medical dependence and often times family ruin, and to make up for that we are dedicated to saving 14 soldiers per year by vaccinating all of them with a slightly experimental and possibly dangerous vaccine, for a medical problem that we have limited understanding of now and for which even in 80 years the offending toxin we will vaccinate against will be absent from 70% of the wounds in the recorded cases and for which there is still a significant failure rate even in up to date boosterized vaccine recipients!! Hooray for Uncle Sam! Wait, was Uncle Sam by chance a pharmaceutical rep?"

More generalities from the CDC site:
Mortality from tetanus in the unvaccinated ranging in the 22% range, versus 11% in the vaccinated, and disproportionally large numbers of modern tetanus patients being diabetic or intravenous drug users - i.e. immune system compromised - sugar rears its ugly head yet again, and when was the last time anybody thought IDUs were a stellar example of nutritional health and wellness? And the two babies with tetanus born to the mothers who, gasp! had not been vaccinated, were those mothers diabetic or drug users? That pertinent fact remains unspecified. But, eating like the FDA has recommended for decades: lots of carbs and plenty of added sugar and no healthy fats, an often discussed recipe for diabetes, begs the question of what the real problem is: tetanus itself, or malnutrition preventing the immune system from handling tetanus, known to be present in the intestines of healthy people and animals, well. What role does intestinal permeability play in an anaerobic bacteria being able to cross unhampered into the blood stream, say due to the presence of amplified gluten levels in hybridized wheat in the early 20th century.

Now couple that CDC phrase "No laboratory findings are characteristic of tetanus" with a group of symptoms also found in other medical conditions - for instance meningitis and rabies, and lets just say it might occur simultaneously as unrecognized symptoms of the onset of sepsis, for the heck of it.

Assuming there was a decline in mortality rates in WWII from "tetanus," or anything else in wounded soldiers, as compared to WWI, hat has been left out of the discussion? Maybe the fact that sulfa antibiotics had been developed in the interim? Duh. Powdered antibiotics being sprinkled on battlefield wounds by medics (also so widely used as to create, arguably, the first round of antibiotic resistant pathogens in the sexually transmitted diseases). And then, the even more powerful penicillin also discovered in the interim and undergoing rapid mass production development in time for the last year of war for US soldiers-fermented in huge vats of corn waste based on agricultural science - whereas it wasn't mass produced by the Germans. Battlefield wound treatment morphed from keeping wounds opened for draining purposes until the wounded could reach a surgery somewhere, to disinfecting the wound on the battlefield and closing it up until surgery could be reached, probably preventing additional pathogens from coming in contact with wounded soldiers' blood, and preventing things like meningitis and sepsis.

But hey, let's not discuss all of that complicated stuff and just say that the tetanus vaccine saved our soldiers in WWII from the ravages of tetanus.

Shelley Tzorfas

To the Uninformed who write here that think they are informed, there are plenty of Pro-Vax sites that would applaud your writing but not this one. There are almost no tetanus shots. The tetanus comes with the Diphtheria and Pertussis (Whooping Cough). So it is a 3 in 1. There were so many injuries and deaths from it that Regan gave Zero Liability to the vaccine maker's BECAUSE of this Deadly vaccine. When the wound bleeds there is nearly hardly any chance of getting tetanus and pouring a dose of plain Hydrogen Peroxide which fizzes into the wound reduces the chances even further.

cia parker

Laurie,

I have read Dissolving Illusions and many more books on vaccines. The tetanus vaccine is VERY effective at preventing tetanus. There were thousands of deaths from tetanus from battlefield conditions in the Civil War and WWI, but there were NONE among American troops in WWII because ALL of the American soldiers had been given the vaccine. There were MANY among German troops in WWII because they did NOT get the vaccine. The tetanus vaccine is usually very safe, although like all vaccines it has caused severe reactions and even death. My daughter and I are going to finish the meningococcal nosode series next week and then we'll start the graduated nosodes to prevent tetanus. There are many studies showing how effective they are and that's by far the best way to prevent potentially dangerous diseases. I also bought the pneumococcal meningitis series, and I'm thinking about getting the Hib nosodes.

I just saw a video on Youtube about triplets who all reacted with autism as well as deafness and blindness within hours of the Prevnar vaccine. I'm always turning over and considering the information I have about vaccines and the diseases. I said here the other day that I was reconsidering the Prevnar vaccine after learning that there used to many more deaths from it than I had found several years ago when I researched it. Now I'm going back to continuing not to recommend it, mostly because of the video. I think, though, that all parents should give their babies the nosodes to prevent pertussis, Hib, pneumococcal, and meningococcal disease.

It's very important to read information from both sides. A lot of vaccine critics go too far and hold that none of the VPDs is dangerous enough to receive the vaccinations for them. In the First World, at least. It's important to remember that there are few cases and few deaths from the VPDs BECAUSE nearly all children are vaccinated against them. You've got to bear that in mind as you think about the issue. If there were a thousand deaths a year from tetanus and/or diphtheria in the US, then I guarantee you that everyone would get the vaccine, and they would also wonder what else the vaccine critics had been wrong about. If there were a hundred children crippled by polio, same thing. I wouldn't want people to go too far in the other direction and think they need to believe everything provaxxers say and get the MMR, varicella, hep-B, hep-A, vaccines, etc.

I believe in free choice regarding vaccines, preferably extremely well-informed free choice. But not give in to the temptation to believe everything that ANYONE says about vaccines. You've got to research every disease and every vaccine yourself.

Morag

Very good article,and Laura Hayes presentation as well, does not miss the important points and "Hit the wall behind them " How could we have been such "Stupid days " to accept the raspberry served up on top of a dollop of sheep's droppings ?
The Three Stooges - I'll Never Heil Again youtube

Anita Donnelly

This is brilliant . Of course vax were dangerous to some before liability was removed and before the ridiculous overload but the people we are trying to wake up will never discover that until we wake them up to the basic point. Only liability-free I think you need the hyphen. Excellent.

We need elevator speeches and this is a good one.

We also need open records from VAERS and the court.

We also need folks to envision their worst enemy running the US and determining what is in vaccines and which you need even if they profit.

Barry

But beyond that, it has to be a well-informed, personal choice. Tetanus still has a very high death rate when it occurs, even with hospital care.

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In the interest of being 'well-informed', you might want to consider the following hypothesis WRT a possible connection between tetanus, and autism.

http://whale.to/vaccines/autism_tetanus.html

Angus Files

Great article Ginger thanks.The bit that`s verging on tripping,is when someone thinks they are `outing` you as anti vaccine..eye roll eye roll.
Black Adder adding with Boldrick looks easy, except the exercise to be taught usually retrospectively and coterminous is the cumulation of cluster -vac, vaccines.

Baldrick Adding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycjhqN4LTq4


Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Laurie

Cia Parker; I appreciate that you are against mandates and liability immunity. But you are not versed on the actual facts and science/history of vaccines. Research Dr. Russell Blaylock for example re tetanus vaccine. And know that vaccines actually do not "usually protect from the disease." The book Dissolving Illusions by Dr Suzanne Humphries M.D. is a great starting point. Best wishes!

Shelley Tzorfas

Ginger brings up some great points. It is sad to watch the demise of Maine if they fall into the same mannerism as SB277 where Los Angeles Kindergarteners saw a 17% increase in Autism as a result of the new laws in just the first 3 months of school. My experience of talking about vaccines with Baby Boomers and others is that as soon as they hear the word Vaccines, the discussion is over because they believe that vaccines saved people from Polio and other illnesses which is a far cry from the truth. More people get seizures, are injured or die from vaccines than from illnesses they are supposed to prevent. 54% of our children are chronically ill and I believe that number to be underestimated at this point in time. It has become harder to have a conversation about vaccines than to talk with a member of a religious cult, so I too will try Ginger's approach to see if that helps.

Hera

Hi Ginger, good point. Also, I find it helps to point out that the vaccine schedule they got as kids is nothing like the amount of vaccines given today, and they don't know if they would have survived getting 50 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6. It helps to tell older adults that anyone who took exactly the same vaccines as they did, would today be considered an "anti vaxxer" and potentially banned from school.

Jeannette Bishop

No more liability free vaccines, incentivized to fail, harm, and remove "herd immunity!"

MARK WAX

I agree with Ginger completely, but have taken a different approach to the final goal. For years I have tried to influence my Congressional House rep ( as well as other representatives from other districts) to take up the mantel of revising the NCVIA rules as administered in the USCFC. There should be no statute of limitations ( essentially now 36 months) for any minor allegedly injured. Rather they should be entitled to "tolling" until they reach the age of majority and then a statute for bringing the claim. In the case of an individual who never is "competent" under the law, NO statute of limitations should ever be placed for that individual, unless they (miraculously) regain competency. My proposition is consistent with law ( in the first case with all 50 states) and for both ( in several states) where both minors and those of majority are seen as deprived of due process otherwise. The SCOTUS has refused to hear the merit portion of the Cloer v. HHS case and in so doing has implied that the Congress needs to make such laws.
Once the Congress sees what damages and havoc they have wrought by "immunizing" the vaccine makers, after the payouts skyrocket and USCFC is deluged with claims, ( remember the Omnibus whitewash), the Congress should then by lobbied to allow the U.S. District Courts to hear these claims, either by class action or however the plaintiffs bar can most successfully prosecute these allegations.
Right now, we will all have to gain the attention of the House Reform and Oversight Cmtee, in order to effectuate such a 2 step solution.

cia parker

I was about to say about the same thing as Linda. Vaccines weren't safe even before they were liability-free. See DPT: A Shot in the Dark and Vaccine Roulette, also all the damage from the smallpox, scarlet fever (short-lived efforts), polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and early MMR vaccines. I don't think anyone had a clear understanding of their risk. My mother reacted to the diphtheria vaccine in the '30s with Asperger's and bowel disease for the rest of her life. My brother and I reacted to our first DPT with screaming syndrome for several days (me) and beating his head on the bars of his crib for months (him), and both of us developed Asperger's as a result. Both he and I have autistic children (post 1986).

But then the issue is the same as it has always been. Do you want to take the risk of one or more vaccines and in most cases get vaccine protection from the diseases or not take the risk and take your chances with the diseases? That is a very personal calculation which everyone must be free to make and then accept or reject. In my opinion, for most people it would be a good idea to get the DT series after the age of two, maybe three, years old. Polio only if it comes back here, the Hib series for babies that HAVE to be in daycare in their first year, starting at four months old, not three. I've been reading about pneumococcal disease and Prevnar, and I think maybe I underestimated the number of deaths caused by the disease. I'll have to look at the links again where I got my information on mortality from the disease before the vaccine and compare it with the figures I read the other day, much higher. I haven't gotten beyond that point yet, and recognize that the vaccines for both are often very dangerous.

I am against vaccines being liability-free, also against any vaccine mandates ever, for anyone. But beyond that, it has to be a well-informed, personal choice. Tetanus still has a very high death rate when it occurs, even with hospital care. Lower, probably MUCH lower, with IV vitamin C treatment, but still. It wouldn't be sensible to reject all vaccines because they're liability-free, but then die of tetanus. Or Hib disease. You can't guard against all eventualities, but you should bear in mind that some of the VPDs are very dangerous and it would still be possible to die of them. As my mother would say, cutting off your nose to spite your face. But there's also always the option of homeopathic nosodes. And homeopathic treatment in conjunction with allopathic treatment where necessary.

Linda1

Great idea to refer to vaccines as liability free vaccines. Will start doing that. But the pre 86 vaccines were not less harmful than what came after. If those pre 86 folks did fine, they'd be able to understand.

Debi

And there you have it!

Laura Hayes

Even more importantly, our message needs to begin with:

I am opposed to mandated medicine.

From my recent presentation in Utah:

“1) Why is it legal to mandate even one, much less scores of, invasive medical procedures that include long lists of serious, often permanent, risks, including death, chronic illness, and severe disability? Bear in mind that mandated medicine makes informed consent impossible. If there is no choice, then voluntary consent is made null and void. Remember, informed consent involves a formal opting in, and should never require a formal opting out…a simple “no thank you” should always suffice when one wants to decline or refuse any medical treatment or procedure for oneself or one’s child. Additionally, mandated medicine makes the ethical practice of medicine impossible. The hallmark of ethical medicine is that of prior, completely voluntary, and fully informed consent. Coercion, force, mandates, penalties, and the elimination of individual and parental rights can have no part in the practice of ethical medicine. Perhaps most importantly, mandated medicine, which includes vaccine mandates, violates a most fundamental human right, the right to decide what one allows, or doesn’t allow, into oneself and one’s child. To quote legal scholar and human rights activist Mary Holland, “Without that right, what meaningful right do we have?” So we must ask, why is it legal to mandate vaccines in a free and ethical society?”

For anyone interested to watch or read the entire presentation:

“Why Is This Legal?” by Laura Hayes

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/11/why-is-this-legal-presentation-on-vaccines-by-laura-hayes.html

cmo


Well written Ginger... it is almost like there has been a WALL BUILT around the VACCINE INDUSTRY to PROTECT THEM.

As things are a bit slow in Washington DC right now, perhaps the President should write up a few simple EXECUTIVE ORDERS to help move some things along. Perhaps a sign on a WALL might help.

1) Pediatricians should be required to have a POSTER in waiting rooms of the entire CDC Vaccine Schedule which “clearly states” that NO ONE can be held responsible for ANY DAMN VACCINE in the United States. (even those shipped in from China )

2) The poster should also state than NONE of the DAMN VACCINES have ever been tested for possible harmful combinations.

3) It should show that SIDS peaks for SOME DAMN REASON at 2 - 8 months of age.

As both “bought out political parties” would oppose anything with the TRUTH, they might then decide to work together on a partial WALL to protect the US of A.

Barry Stern

Vaccines should also be "liar free" to protect us from the manufacturers, pediatricians and politicians that continue to sell the myth that vaccines are good for you, the more the better.

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