Vaccine Choice - Respect the Answer
New York Times Print Headline About Vaccine Science Radically Different from Online Version

Doctor Describes Severe Reaction to Shingrix Vaccine with Refreshing Transparency

ShinglesBy Kim Rossi

Many years ago, I worked for a wonderful woman who became a mentor and second mother to me. She had a saying, "Don't punish progress."  I think of her wise words every day. When one of my girls attempts to put a dish in the dishwasher - I praise her and show her how to rinse off the globs of food rather than saying, "That was good BUT...."  Buts are rotten.  They negate praise.

I often think we're missing this point in the vaccine injury community. We've sides and factions and I've seen some pretty cruel shaming and blaming over the years for being too anti-vax or not not anti-vax enough.  Many of us have kids with autism - young and adult. We're just trying to get through the day unscathed or not too scathed, and the jabs and slings and arrows really hurt. You do your thing and let me do mine. Below is a question from a medical advice column that ran in The Detroit News. Dr. Roach answers honestly about Shingrix (shingles vax) side effects. Shingles are terribly painful and disruptive and people are getting shingles younger and younger - even as children no longer get chicken pox in the same numbers. (Mother Nature exacts her pound of flesh, doesn't she?) Dr. Roach says up to 10% of recipients may experience severe side effects. That's progress. He doesn't say NEVER EVER GET THIS VACCINE!  (I'm over 50 and I ain't nevah evah getting this vaccine, FYI.)  I can understand someone  outside our community wanting Shingrix to prevent shingles. Dr. Roach also suggested Tylenol. Ugh. Still, he acknowledges side effects in a major US newspaper. That's progress.


Doc: Better to prepare for repeat of Shingrix reaction

Dear Dr. Roach: I received the first dose of Shingrix (which help prevent getting shingles) this week and had pretty severe side effects, though in the range of what can be expected: high fever (101.5), intense shivering, a severe headache and 12 hours of extreme fatigue. The entire reaction began 11 hours after the shot and ended 18 hours after that. I am 61 and in excellent health, taking only 25 mcg of levothyroxine daily.

I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I’ve tried looking at the clinical trial results for Shingrix, but I am not qualified to understand the information as presented.

1. Is it likely that I’ll have a similar (or worse?) reaction to the second shot? The package insert says one can react to the first, second, neither or both.

2. Are both injections identical?

3. When I had chickenpox as a child, I was way sicker than the average kid. Related?

4. If I get shingles, do I have a higher risk for a severe case?


Dear J.G.: Compared with the previous one-time vaccine Zostavax, the new two-dose Shingrix vaccine is much more effective. However, it does have a higher risk of side effects. You have had the most common side effect, though only 10 percent of people will have symptoms as bad as yours. These symptoms are caused by your body mounting an inflammatory response to the glycoprotein in the vaccine (the new vaccine does not contain a live virus). You clearly have a robust system to fight off infection.

To answer your questions in order: You are at higher risk for a similar reaction for the second shot. I would plan your day accordingly, and premedicate with Tylenol (even though it may make the vaccine slightly less effective). The second vaccine is identical to the first. I have read recent reports that there are widespread shortages of the vaccine.

Chickenpox and shingles can affect you both by the virus attacking you and by an exuberant inflammatory and immune reaction. I would guess that you are at lower risk for viral complications (such as infection of the eye, brain or lungs) but at higher risk for symptoms due to your own system, such as high fever. In many cases, the body’s response to infection can be as damaging as the infection itself.



Looks like they're repeating their 2004 flu shot marketing ploy: they're announcing "shortages" of the vaccine.

Marketing 101: get your target market interested by suggesting that they'd be lucky to get your product, because there aren't enough to go round...

People always want what they think they can't have.

Laura Hayes

The doctor advises this woman to “plan your day accordingly” in preparation for her next dose of Shingrix and the expected adverse reaction.

He should have said to “plan your life accordingly”, should she experience blindness, hearing loss, paralysis, stroke, encephalitis, heart attack, death, and more...all known side effects of Shingrix’s predecessor, Zostavax, for which there is now a class action lawsuit against Merck for the carnage left in the wake of Zostavax.

What will be the wake left behind the newer Shingrix vaccine, and will this woman choose to be part of it?


10% will get sicker than if they got shingles? 10% will get so sick that if they have an underlying cardiac or other illness that the inflammatory reaction from the vaccine could throw them into cardiac arrest or stoke? How about managing diabetes with that reaction? MADNESS!


"Why does taking Tylenol make the vax less effective?"


A fever is a critical part of the immune response, the effectiveness of certain immune cells is enhanced by a higher body temperature. So using Tylenol/Paracetamol to bring down the body temperature is suppressing the immune system, making it less likely to be able to fight off the pathogen and successfully create antibodies.

The knowledge about Tylenol making vaccines less effective has been around for many years, but it was only in recent years that the official recommendations about giving Tylenol after vaccination changed, the industry is reluctant to tell people not to use one of its products, so they dragged their heels with changing the advice.

Big Pharma see our immune system as their competition, so with any chance they get they attack/suppress it e.g. Tylenol, chemotherapy, antibiotics etc. They want us dependent on their products to treat symptoms, they don't want us having a fully functioning immune system which does a protective job for us free of charge. Hence why we are told that fevers are such a bad thing. They want us to believe that stopping the symptoms of our immune system doing it's job is more important than the task our immune system was attempting to perform.

Many people whose cancer disappeared overnight had just had a high fever which they didn't suppress. If cancer patients didn't have their white blood cells immediately decimated by chemo and if we weren't told to immediately suppress a fever, it could be that far more of them would experience cancer killing fevers, especially in those who have strong immune systems. It could also be that by society regularly suppressing immune systems, it makes cancers more likely to appear in the first place.

Grace Green

Pete, thanks for that. What is their idea of scientific fact if a list of ingredients can miss one of them out?


Why does taking Tylenol make the vax less effective?

Sophie Scholl

Posted by: Pete | August 13, 2018 at 06:52 AM Chinese Hamster Ovary

Absolutely incredible !

Sophie Scholl

Don't take the second vaccine !

Are you a complete idiot ? You must be to have taken the vaccine in the first instance !


Very good to see some real information on side effects being being provided by a doctor in the media, GSK might not be quite so pleased with his approach.

Speaking of honesty, Shingrix is the vaccine containing Chinese Hamster Ovary, the CDC admitted that until just recently, then removed it from the listed ingredients after it attracted too much attention from 'anti-vaxxers'.

Here's an archived page from the CDC website showing Chinese Hamster Ovary as an ingredient of Shingrix">">

The latest CDC version censors the Chinese Hamster Ovary ingredient

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