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Record Cases Of Scarlet Fever In The UK -- Is the Nasal Flu Vaccine Responsible? Part I

Scarlet-fever-quarantineThis is an investigation of published research and news reports.   Patterns seem to be emerging and it is important that they not be ignored.  

There has been a situation occurring in the UK for successive years.  Scarlet Fever -- a Victorian era disease, has been making a comeback in a big way .  Since 2013, cases have increased each year.  Now, the reports and articles have stopped as Spring arrived.  The cases seem to have diminished or ceased in the same pattern for the past 6 years.  Cases begin to happen in the Fall in each of those years and then like wildfire, stretch into each area of the UK, and not in any other European countries.  

Consider this:  The UK and the Netherlands have well-developed guidelines that are regularly updated and consequently have good vaccine coverage rates while in many other European countries guidelines are less clear and vaccination rates are declining. Another fact to add to this UK connection to scarlet fever.  This too - the live attenuated intranasal influenza vaccine [LAIV] [nasal spray], which is mainly used in the UK…

This pattern of escalating scarlet fever cases could be related to the nasal flu shot and where it is being administered.  When Winter ends, the cases of scarlet fever seem to vanish only to start up with even more momentum the following Fall, as more children are added into the vaccination schedule at the local schools.  Scarlet fever is caused by a toxin released by the bacteria Streptococcus pyogenes (S. pyrogenes), the same bacterial organism that causes strep throat.

Here was the first of many alarms sent out in the news-

Press release - Scarlet fever cases increase across England

Published 21 March 2014

Public Health England (PHE) has reported significant increases in scarlet fever notifications across England, with a total of 3,548 new cases since the season began in September 2013, compared to an average of 1,420 cases reported for the same period in the previous 10 years. The last season to have this level of scarlet fever activity was 1989 to 1990 when 4,042 notifications were received.

Scarlett fever

(Internet Archive Book Images) Found online here

Here is some information to help understand more about Scarlet Fever:

 ♦ Scarlet fever is less common now than in the past, but outbreaks still occur.

♦  It can be successfully treated with antibiotics.

  The primary symptoms are a rash, a sore throat, and a fever.

  difficulty swallowing

  feeling unwell



♦  nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, and abdominal pain

 ♦  broken blood vessels in the folds of the body, for example, the armpits, groin, elbows, knees, and neck, known as Pastia's lines

 ♦  swollen neck glands, or lymph nodes, that are tender to the touch

 ♦  a white coating forms on the tongue that peels away, leaving a red and swollen "strawberry" tongue

 ♦  The skin of the hands and feet will peel for up to 6 weeks after the rash has gone.

 ♦  A person with scarlet fever who is not treated may be contagious for several weeks, even after symptoms have gone.

 ♦  Some individuals do not react to the toxin. They can carry and pass on the infection without showing any symptoms.  Only those who react to the toxin will develop symptoms.

  This makes it hard for someone to know if they have been exposed.

 ♦  A throat swab may help determine which bacteria caused the infection. Sometimes a blood test is also ordered.

 ♦  Treatment normally involves a 10-day course of oral antibiotics, usually penicillin.

 ♦  Another risk is known as pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric disorders associated with streptococcal (PANDAS) infections .

♦  Some research has indicated that strep bacterial infection may trigger an autoimmune response that worsens symptoms of certain childhood disorders.

 ♦  These include obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), Tourette syndrome, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

We are told that this Scarlet Fever is on the rampage. The United States does not keep count of Strep infections, scarlet fever cases, or cases of PANDAS.  Here is more on this history in the UK:

In 2013, there were fewer than 10 cases of the disease per 100,000 people.  According to the most recent data published in The Lancet medical journal last week, the number of infections has now more than tripled.  In 2016, there were 33 cases per 100,000 people.  “England is experiencing an unprecedented rise in scarlet fever with the highest incidence for nearly 50 years,” the study authors concluded. “Reasons for this escalation are unclear and identifying these remains a public health priority.”  In the U.K., the scarlet fever cases mainly affected young children with the median age of infection at 4 years old.  For children under 10, there were 186 infections per 100,000 people, according to the report.  One in 40 children were admitted to the hospital, and serious complications appeared in less than 1 percent of all cases. No deaths were reported.

Disease spread is a mystery

The study authors remain stumped by the spread of the disease.  They found that lab analysis didn’t point to a new kind of Streptococcus bacterial strain that might explain the new scarlet fever cases.  Although the disease has returned, the associated mortality rates haven’t.  Antibiotics remain an effective treatment for the disease....

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Tennessee, said that scarlet fever was traditionally much more feared than simple strep throat.

“Scarlet fever had these overtones of much more serious infection,” he told Healthline. “Perhaps more likely for the bacteria to get into the blood stream and cause complications.”

U.S. doesn’t keep count

Exactly how many cases of scarlet fever appear in the United States every year isn’t immediately clear.  Schaffner says he doesn’t believe there’s been an increase like what was documented in the U.K.  In an emailed response, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that they don’t track noninvasive infections caused by group A Streptococcus bacteria.  These infections include common infections like strep throat and rarer ones like scarlet fever.

“We do estimate there are several million cases of non-invasive group A strep illnesses, like strep throat and impetigo [rash or sores around the mouth,] each year (but that data isn’t teased out),” the CDC said.  In the United States, Schaffner said, scarlet fever disease has been so rare that there have been generations of medical students who haven’t seen a case.

“Scarlet fever, like whooping cough, is a disease of yesteryear, and its return is indeed puzzling,” he said.

Could disease travel?

The new cases in the U.K. have coincided with a rise in Asia from 2009 to 2015.  However, the study authors said it wasn’t clear that these Asian outbreaks were related to the rise of the disease in the U.K.  Additionally, OTHER CASES WEREN'T PRESENT IN THE REST OF EUROPE (emphasis mine), which might be expected if it was linked to the Asian outbreaks.

Schaffner said that there is a potential for the disease to arrive in the United States, especially from children who travel from the U.K.  “A child could acquire group A strep and get on a plane and get off at Minneapolis and have contact with his or her cousins and spread the infection,” he said.

Scarlett fever graph

Graph online here.

This recent report gives us numbers from Fall 2017 into the Spring.  Very frightening increases.:

Public Health England (PHE) says 20,372 cases of scarlet fever have been reported since mid-September 2017, compared to an average of 9,461 for the same period over the last five years.

In the week to 8 April, 1,180 cases of scarlet fever were reported, although this figure is likely to increase as further reports come in. Almost 2,000 cases were reported in the 12th week of 2018 - more than a third higher than the peak last year - and likely to be the highest level since records began.

Rates of scarlet fever across England are varied, but all areas are reporting higher levels than at the same time last year.

Coincidence does not necessarily mean causation here but the timing is significant.

All children in the UK aged 2 have been offered vaccination against flu since September 2013,   and the programme was extended last year to include infant school children. It is gradually being rolled out to include all children aged 2 to 17.....

Quadrivalent vaccines with an additional type of B virus have been developed and were available in the UK from 2013...Live attenuated flu vaccine (Fluenz™ Tetra) has been shown to provide greater protection for children than inactivated flu vaccine. This vaccine is the preferred vaccine for children aged two to less than 18 years.

Scarlet fever has significantly increased across England, with a total of 3,548 new cases since September 2013.   

In Part II we will look ar some of the news stories to look for patterns.  

                       ---  "I'm frightened. Of us." - Ralph - Lord of the Flies   ---



[pdf] Flu vaccination programme- www. publications. parliament
https/>cmselect>cmsetech 18 October 2018
A mandated vaccination for healthcare workers?

All strategy ? but no evidence based paperwork to produce for flu vaccination in pregnancy ?
No paperwork risk assessments avaible for this ,as not completed at all !

Does not meet even basic standards for the 1974 health and safety at work Act ?

Health and Social Care Minister and Prime Minister, ultimately has a pass-the-buck, responsibility and accountability for this .

Tim Lundeen

@peter @cia

I don't think antibiotics should be used at all.

Vitamin C and liposomal Vit C given every 2-4 hours have essentially no side effects (other than loose stools if too much is given), and are extremely effective against bacterial/viral infections. Vit C effectively treats sepsis, the most serious of all infections.

There are herbal treatments also supportive for infections, Stephen Buhner's book Herbal Antibiotics is excellent.

BHT can also be used, and has an excellent safety profile. Steven Fawkes has a free ebook on this, with a fascinating theory about why all of these treatments work, and additional alternatives using vitamin/trace-mineral supplements and diet changes.

cia parker


Antibiotics should be used with caution, I agree, but Jenny has pointed out the reasons why, after a couple of days to give the immune system time to make antibodies, they should be taken in the case of strep or scarlet fever. It is problematic to place all the responsibility on parents to make a diagnosis and procure treatment for a serious infection, but, this being the case, I'm sure that resources and advice will be made available on the Internet and in other places.

There are several double-edged swords here, and it is not good to demonize any of them. Before antibiotics, it was not uncommon for mild infections to go out of control and kill. Antibiotics almost completely stopped these deaths, but caused other problems. I will say again that vaccines are another such double-edged sword: they have almost eliminated diphtheria, polio, and tetanus from developed countries, and you never hear anymore about a dog or cat getting rabies or giving it to someone they bite. But, of course, the number of vaccines and doses has increased, and they are often given to young infants, etc., so that they often cause severe disability rather than valuable protection. So in all cases, of antibiotics, vaccines, or any pharmaceutical drug (or OTC) you have to use them judiciously, but it is unwise to swear off of them entirely.

Jenny Allan

Thanks Researcher
It seems the present UK Government advice is putting all the responsibility onto parents, most of whom have no idea about how to diagnose scarlet fever, separate from all the other kids' rashes etc, which could be caused by any number of things, allergies included.

Regarding 'strep throats', there was some talk of taking swabs in order to check whether infections were viral or bacterial in origin, but our overcrowded and underfunded GP surgeries just don't have the time or resources. This means in practice patients are told to go away and only come back if the infection does not clear up by itself or gets worse!

Pharmster has stated the US position:-
' 12,000 people suffer from invasive strep in the U.S., and most make a full recovery. Approximately 1,100 Americans die from the infections or related complications each year."

I think this confirms Strep throats ARE potentially dangerous if untreated, and yes! - as Pharmster points out there would not be such official complacency if these stats were about measles or any other disease vaccinated against!


A quick reminder that antibiotics should only be used in an emergency, like the hammer to smash a window on the train. If you nuke the bad guys when they are fighting the good guys, the good guys die too, there will be long term consequences as you need to rebuild your microbiome. Antibiotics are linked to learning delays in children (like vaccines), an increased risk of cancer, meningococcal septicemia, weight gain, depression and much more. Maintaining a healthy and diverse microbiome is one of the best ways to maintain good health.

Our immune system is the competion of Big Pharma, that is why they are constantly trying to destabalise and obliterate it, as then you become dependent on their drugs to treat your symptoms.

Vaccines are an attempt by the industry to induce autoantibodies, meaning your immune system attacks your own body for the rest of your life, by inducing autoimmune disease they make you a lifelong customer for their drugs.

Antibiotics are to destroy much of your natural protection, making you vulnerable to pathogens which would normally be easily handled, it will take your body one year to recover, but it might never fully recover to what it was. The majority of infections can be dealt with naturally.

Paracetamol/Tylenol is to surpress your immune system, keeping you sick. Your body is trying to run a fever to help white blood cells do their job, Big Pharma want that temperature down so as your immune system fails in its attempt, and you need to continue on their symptomatic treatments.

This is also why they love to give chemotherapy as a cancer treatment, sometimes a high fever will leave you cancer free, but that is the last thing they want, so they use chemicals to destroy your white blood cells.

When Goldman Sachs recently complained to biomed that cures are not profitable, it was the hidden hand behind the scenes accidentally coming into view. Almost everything pharma does is designed to make you sick and keep you sick, every healthy immune system is in their crosshairs.

cia parker


That's too bad that it's so hard to get antibiotics in the UK these days. I got some fish antibiotics to have on hand in case of need: they're standard antibiotics, have nothing specific to do with fish, but you can buy them online or in a store here, and probably there too.

I agree that you need to take antibiotics in the case of either strep throat or scarlet fever, but it's good to tough out the sore throat for at least two days before starting the antibiotic, to give your immune system time to make antibodies naturally: otherwise you may not benefit from having the disease and may get the same thing over and over. They say that rheumatic fever just seems to have disappeared independently of any treatment of scarlet fever, but either disease can cause several serious permanent problems. Although it would be very rare for either one to kill you, even without antibiotics, which is interesting because scarlet fever became attenuated on its own, with no vaccine ever being routinely given. In the nineteenth century, scarlet fever was sometimes an even bigger killer than diphtheria, which is saying a lot, tens of thousands of deaths a year. The little boy in The Velveteen Rabbit had scarlet fever, and they burned all his bedding, clothing, and toys out in the garden to prevent the transmission of germs.


Hi Jenny,

Actually, there are consistent news articles and health guidelines posted stating that antibiotics are important. These are just a small sample. Anyone else in the UK denied antibiotics?
Public Health England (PHE) advises parents to be aware of scarlet fever symptoms following a substantial rise in reported cases across England in 2017 to 2018.
Published 6 February 2018
Last updated 13 April 2018 — see all updates
Public Health England

Latest update
The latest Health Protection Report (13 April 2018) shows 20,372 cases of scarlet fever have been reported since mid-September 2017, compared to an average of 9,461 for the same period over the last 5 years. There were 1,180 cases reported for the most recent week (2 to 8 April 2018).

Dr Nick Phin, Deputy Director of National Infection Service at PHE, said:

We are urging parents to look out for the symptoms of scarlet fever such as a sore throat, fever and rash after seeing a significant upsurge in cases this year. The good news is that over the Easter holidays we have seen a slight decline in cases, which may indicate that activity has peaked.

Scarlet fever, which mainly affects young children, is not usually a serious illness and can be easily treated with the appropriate antibiotics. We encourage parents to contact their GP or NHS 111 if they spot symptoms of scarlet fever or have concerns.
Scarlet fever is usually a mild illness; PHE is advising parents to be on the lookout for scarlet fever symptoms, which include a sore throat, headache and fever with a characteristic fine, pinkish or red rash with a sandpapery feel. If signs of scarlet fever are suspected, it is important to contact your local GP or NHS 111. Early treatment with antibiotics is important and can help reduce the risk of complications such as pneumonia and the spread of the infection. Children or adults diagnosed with scarlet fever are advised to stay at home until at least 24 hours after the start of antibiotic treatment to avoid spreading the infection to others.
Treatment guidance recommends oral antibiotics, paracetamol (acetaminophen) or ibuprofen to relieve symptoms, rest, and fluids. Clinicians should advise parents or carers to keep a child with scarlet fever away from nursery, childcare, or school for at least 24 hours after antibiotics are started. Home hygiene measures should be advised to help prevent the infection spreading to other family members, especially those at risk for complications.
Dr Renu Bindra, of Public Health England Yorkshire and Humber, said: “Scarlet fever is not usually a serious illness and can be treated with antibiotics to reduce the risk of complications and spread to others.
If you suspect that you or you child may have scarlet fever you should see your GP or call NHS 111 as soon as possible. The usual treatment is with antibiotic tablets (or liquid for young children) to help reduce the length of time the infection is contagious, speed up recovery and reduce the risk of any further problems.

Angus Files

Nice historical Scarlet Fever post at the link below

But Scarlet Fever has virtually disappeared. We don’t have scare campaigns telling us that we have to keep our children away from crowds because there is an epidemic of Scarlet Fever. We don’t have stories coming out in the media pointing the finger of blame at those who haven’t been vaccinated against Scarlet Fever and blaming them for the deaths of vaccinated children.

Perhaps that’s because we have never had a vaccine for Scarlet Fever. Never.

Pharma For Prison


"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), only about 12,000 people suffer from invasive strep in the U.S., and most make a full recovery. Approximately 1,100 Americans die from the infections or related complications each year."

but if you do not vaccinate your children against measles you are the worst parent ever and need to go to jail!

Scarlet fever used to be even a bigger killer than smallpox. The fact that it is now more less forgotten show how much infectious diseases declined even without vaccines.


Looked to see if there's a strep vaccine on the horizon. Found this very odd Newsweek article from February 2018, uncharacteristically arguing that there isn't enough damage done by strep infections to justify vaccination:

"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), only about 12,000 people suffer from invasive strep in the U.S., and most make a full recovery. Approximately 1,100 Americans die from the infections or related complications each year."

What? Approximately 450 people a year died from measles. That didn't stop them, did it? How about rotavirus? Chicken pox? Mumps? Do these people make any effort at all to make sense?

Mentions scarlet fever a the end.

Jeannette Bishop

Interesting correlation. I'm curious how the nasal flu vaccine is different from just getting the flu, if it is "adjuvanted" or artificially "enhanced" in some way to provoke immune response, while theoretically not the same as flu?

On scarlet fever/group a strep:


There is currently no vaccine to prevent group A strep infections, although several vaccines are in development."

So, they are working on a vaccine for a disease the U.S. (so far) does not even bother to track (at least for one potential outcome)? Are they already testing these vaccines somewhere? ... sounds like it, though this doesn't say where, but clearly there is lab work being done possibly modifying things, also. Will this another case of developing a vaccine for some subset of strains of a group? Leading to serotype replacement, and maybe other shifts in the various potentially invasive bacterial infections?

And have there been in changes in reporting/tracking protocols (or perhaps treatment protocols similar to what Jenny Allen pointed out) for scarlet fever motivated by the development of a vaccine? The antibiotics are leading to superbugs, so the aim still seems to be to get everyone used to vaccinating for all these things...what keeps "superbugs" from getting past the vaccines though?

Is there any chance the pneumococcal vaccines impact the prevalence/manifestation of strep A infectious? When did the use of PPV23 begin in the UK (I guess it's been licensed for some time, so seems unlikely to weigh in much with this rise and drop in scarlet fever, but...)? (and a "shortage" could be about increased demand, rather than decrease availability...)

Jenny Allan

It's actually quite simple. Following a WHO directive, UK doctors have been instructed NOT to treat throat infections with antibiotics. Reasoning is most throat infections are viral and treating with antibiotics is a waste of time and just leads to antibiotic resistance.

The problem with this is bacterial throat infections and tonsillitis are now often going untreated and this can be dangerous. My unfortunate grandson got refused antibiotics twice at our local health centre. The third time he was as red as a cherry and eventually got given antibiotic treatment, but not before passing the disease to his mum. Untreated Strep throats can lead to rheumatic fever and a rare neurological condition called 'St Vitus Dance'. My sister got this in the 1950s.

Scarlet fever was never vaccinated against in the UK or elsewhere.


Scarlet fever, also called Scarlatina, was common in Europe at the time of Samuel Hahnemann, father of homeopathy, 200 years ago. He found several remedies that cured this infection, including Belladonna, which he also found useful to prevent the infection, when it was spreading. Hahnemann’s discovery that Belladonna is a prophylactic in scarlet fever has been abundantly verified in practice.

cia parker

It would be because of vaccine immunosuppression for at least a month after the vaccine. If the UK vaccinates more than European countries, then the immune system of more kids would be suppressed.


Maybe it is falling from the sky. Take a look up in the air at all the planes spewing out crap several days a week all over the globe. Just do a quick google and you will see that "new" studies are showing how bacteria and viruses are "now" being found in the air and flowing via wind to new areas. Pathetic.

Long story short. Viruses and vaccines are falling from the sky now. No need to stick out your arm.


Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

Another one which is now becoming more common, and most people don't even know when they've got it or that it exists e.g. "I've got some mouth ulcers, must be because I'm run down", is Hand, foot and mouth.

I caught it a couple of years ago, mouth covered in ulcers, in agony while eating. At the same time many people in the area talking about their ulcers and how they must be run down, never realising that they had caught Hand, foot and mouth.

It would be interesting to know why this is appearing. It is normally more of a problem in Asia, but they were starting off with experimental vaccines a number of years ago, see link

One theory of many, the vaccines could have caused the pathogen to adapt so now the new strains can spread more easily as the population is not used to them.

bob moffit

Tongue planted firmly in my cheek ….

The rise in scarlet fever over recent years is nothing to worry about … scarlet fever has been known for decades upon decades .. and .. today's doctors are just better at diagnosing it.

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