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Playing_godBelow is the story of Alfie Evans, a UK Tot for whom life will not be a grand and soft as that for the young Prince just born.  Alfie has what the media is calling "a mystery illness," struck down as an infant with seizures and "late development."  Mitochondrial disease is in the equation. We will not diagnose this youngster with anything here at Age of Autism, nor will we interject about the possible causes of his illnesss. We will pray for his recovery. 

British courts have continued to rule against treatment for him. Read that again. The courts are ruling that this boy can not be saved, and so, should die. It's like a Dickens novel - the very worst of times.

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ALFIE Evans has been at the centre of a life support battle between his parents, health officials and the British justice system for several months.

The tot's life support was switched off after his family lost the most recent of a series of legal appeals. Here is what you need to know about the heartbreaking case....

...Writing after judges at the European Court of Rights rejected the case, Tom said that he and his partner were "in bits, distraught, in pain", and the decision meant their son was "about to be murdered".

Tom and Kate have suffered a series of blows in their legal battles to keep Alfie alive.

They had taken their battle to the Supreme Court after the Court of Appeal agreed with Alder Hey that Alfie "could not be saved" and that it would be "unkind" and "futile" to continue treatment, but their bid was dismissed.

They had already lost a challenge at the Court of Appeal and failed to have the decision overturned at the Supreme Court and European Court of Human Rights.  Read more here.

Following one appeal, Lord Justice Davis, ruled that Alfie's life support must be turned off and told lawyers that doctors had agreed that there was "no hope".

He said: "We cannot have a kind of legal Groundhog Day where you come back again and again and again on the same point."

Alfie's life support was eventually turned off at 9.17pm on the evening of Monday, April 23.

However, the following morning his dad said that the little boy was still battling on and breathing unassisted hours later.

Comments

cia parker

Jenny,

I just thought it was interesting and fully supports all the events which happened to Alfie often caused by vaccine reactions. The judge WAS told that the child would die within minutes of being taken off the respirator, and that didn't happen. The hospital staff should have reappraised and let him go to Italy.

I thought Tom's hostage statement was because the hospital had threatened him with harm to his baby if he didn't. Once they kllled Alfie I think they lost their power over him. I thought the silence was because Italian prosecutors are preparing a case against Alder Hey. Someone told me that Kate is pregnant again, and THAT would be very good news!

Jenny Allan

https://www.change.org/p/calling-all-parents-and-alfies-army-alfies-law?recruiter=466573738&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=autopublish&utm_content=ex97%3Av2

Please sign this petition for a UK 'Alfie's Law', which would prevent parents like Alfie's being 'sidelned', by lawyers and the medical establishment.

Jenny Allan

Cia - Alfie's record of vaccinations was NOT part of the evidence presented to the Judge. As VacTruth states :-
'Only Tom and Kate (Alfie’s parents) or medical records can fill this time period of critical events.'

Alfie's parents have been silent since his death. We can only guess the reasons for this, but behind the scenes there will probably be establishment efforts to 'gag' them.

cia parker

Alfie's vaccine record available here! Completely unbelievable, most classic case in the world of severe vaccine damage. 1) strabismus after first round, 2) serious infections after second round, 3) demyelinating encephalomyelopathy after third round. So what is their solution? Murder him!

https://vactruth.com/2018/05/02/alfie-evans-timeline/

Jeannette Bishop

Does this weigh in here?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2169043776444434&set=a.975687835780040.1073741827.100000164981209&type=3

Morag

"Between The Ages" Thanks Age of Autism for articles covering these very important and serious situations. Palliative care and end of life care . Contemporary criteria and guidelines now on a par with the local Vet Surgery who record in the pet's medical records PTS meaning Put to sleep .
See Isaiah Haastrup situation at King's College Hospital this year .
Present Criteria and Guidelines with fluffy interpretations and totally subjective perceptions running Amock! Creating Lebenswertes Leben carnage of logic and obliterating reason . Current damn criteria and guidelines not fit for purpose for people. Pull the damn bed pan plug on them and start again from scratch!
See Full text of "Zbigniew Brzezinski-Between Two Ages " States Human life is reduced to real suffering,to hell,only when two ages,two cultures and religions overlap. There are times when a whole generation is caught in this way between two ages ,two modes of life,with the consequence that it loses all power to understand itself and has no standard.
See also An Essay Concerning Human Understanding by John Locke B1.3 https ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/locke/john8/u/b1.3html
Psalm 23 for families going through the "Hell and High Waters of it " and NHS Staff being ordered to blindly and without question to "Follow your Guidelines or else!"

cia parker

Very moving video by Aarron Lambo on Alfie's case. His outrage and compassion put to shame the medical and legal criminals, the social élite, who killed the child.

https://www.facebook.com/aarronlambo.official/videos/1229485490519421/?hc_ref=ARSzA3Si3t2D_T5UmOc46R8hJZTp8W2d9YdC1rxhFHtVWpUc_imO70141QNngish2_o

cia parker

Thanks, Linda. So they killed him. He had been breathing on his own, with just a little extra oxygen, for four days and was scheduled to go home the next day. Got the dad out of the way by calling him out to confer with hospital staff while the deed was done (his drowsing wife and a sibling were in the room with Alfie at two in the morning). And his oxygen saturation level had been good, but plunged after the injections and he died. Tom gave him mouth to mouth for ten minutes trying to revive him, and then is said to have barricaded himself in the room with his baby to keep out those who had murdered him. I hope they raze the hospital and take away the medical and legal licenses of every single person involved in this baby's torture and murder, and then throw them in prison. Sue the vaccine companies that provided the vaccines which did this to him for every penny they've got and leave them bankrupt. Throw them in prison too. This is the most barbaric thing I've seen since Mengele.

Linda1

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alfie-evans-was-given-4-drugs-just-before-he-died-report

Grace Green

Jeanette, Thank you for that link, I knew little of these facts. Among other things, Nigel Farage's interview has NOT BEEN HEARD on the BBC! People in the USA and elsewhere in the world need to understand that everyone working in the UK public sector in any role has to say, "the UK healthcare system is the best in the world", and the people repeat the mantra. I suspect that as soon as a parent, such as Tom Evens or Kate, raises questions about any treatment their child has had, from then on they get a second class service, if any service at all. This has been my personal experience. The question of organ donation is even more shocking. I think most NHS staff no longer have any moral scruples.
John Stone, maybe you've been getting better treatment recently because they've finally realized you're a force to be reckoned with! (To which I say, long may that continue.)

Benedetta

Jeannette Bishop Thanks for the link.
I just finished listening to it .
Alfie was born healthy and started this bunch of seizures right after the vaccines - at age 2 months.

People always laugh when I say nope, - to the organ give away when it comes to get the state's permission to drive. I told my son and daughter too.

Geesh.

Hera; I was wondering how it was going in Australia with their health care

Who knew that the Beast in Revelations that goes through out the land devouring all was the darn medical system that was suppose to be all merciful and caring.

Jeannette Bishop

I don't know if this has any application to this story, but in the name of ensuring informed consent for any who didn't understand this, as I didn't, the option on the U.S. driver's license to be an organ donor means you are giving permission to medical professionals to determine while you are still alive (because the organs must removed before death) whether or not you are going to die in time to harvest organs for donation. In more cynical words, among professionals susceptible to the financial incentivizing of organ sales you may be more likely to die with that option selected.

Jeannette Bishop

"Ktalk Radio's Your Health Freedom Hour with Kristen Chevrier
Alfie Evan's, the State, Brain Death"
https://www.facebook.com/wearevaxxed/videos/631410643872882/

Hera

Hi Benedetta,
This link might be useful re the Australian private health care.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-why-do-australians-have-private-health-insurance-38788

Hera

Hi Benedetta,
In Australia, where they also have socialized medicine, it is common for middle class folks ( not just the wealthy) to have back up private insurance; I think more when they get older and want more choices about hip replacements and such.

John Stone

Benedetta

Just to be clear, when I said I did not have clear information about private medical insurance I meant about the extent of it - there is advertising for it all over the place and it is big business so people definitely know about it. As Patricia says also people very often just dip into private medicine from time to time. But I don't think you would escape the eagle of the state by going there.

Benedetta

And we have a phrase for what happened here;
The law was subverted !

Benedetta

Thank ya all.
Patricia; then they do pay for sinus infection, thyroid test and such. However; you are having to pay out of pocket for an autoimmunity doctor. The medical people cannot handle anything to do with the immune system that turns on to itself, you would think they could at least catch on what might damage it.

Thank you John Stone.
Private insurance does not sound like something most average people even knows about.

Jenny Allan

A US opinion on Alfie Evans:-
Newt Gingrich: Alfie Evans is condemned to die at 23 months because of Britain's scary secular state

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/27/newt-gingrich-alfie-evans-is-condemned-to-die-at-23-months-because-britains-scary-secular-state.htm.html

Patricia

John just an addendum. Many people like myself in Britain who are not wealthy, will however pay to have consultations and no doubt a treatment plan with specialist doctors working in the private sector, without necessarily taking on private insurance. In my own case since the NHS does not have much interest in or treatment for ME./CFS. I was directed to a specialist in autoimmune conditions when I first became ill.
Since we live a good distance from each other in UK I can skype with him too at any time. At a cost! But I also have a local state medical practice near to my home for the usual ills. Having the knowledge that if anything serious and costly and beyond our means happened to us then we do have the NHS at our backs, is a massive relief. But as you know a lot depends on one’s location as to the merits or otherwise of one’s nearest NHS hospital!

John Stone

Benedetta

After a short web search I could not find reliable info on private medical insurance in the U.K. but there is a significant private sector (and for instance wealthy people from abroad coming here for treatment). Of course, there are people paying for alternative medicine too.

Obviously, the position seems to exist in both countries where for instance a hospital can apply to a court to over-ride the wishes of parents. I am not sure it is realistic for there to be no such laws but we find them operating often in menacing ways. There should be laws to protect children but how do we stop them be used oppressively and inappropriately (sometimes by crazy or even malicious professionals)? Professionals are always held to be expert, their views almost invariably outweigh parents but even when well-meaning they can be very wide of the mark.

Benedetta

I find it amazing that that cases of medical kidnapping is happening both in the UK and here in the US.

Some one said that they found that this is not related to the UK's healthcare system, but rather to British law.

Is there some British Law that would not allow Alfie to leave?

From what I can see here in the US, it is the medical system's abuse of the law, and not the actual law. The medical system being more powerful, and rich to afford those that serve in the law to do their bidding, to bend the law. Not the law itself.

Is this the case in the UK?

Benedetta

In the UK can an individual purchase private insurance, or is it really an employer - and that employer's workers that purchase decent private insurance?


Benedetta

Thank you John Stone for your answer.
Also thank you Cia. Angus and Hera for your input.

Does many people in the UK bother to purchase private insurance?

TheAlmightyPill

@David

It truly does boggle the mind how many here can decry the horrors perpetrated against Alfie, yet simultaneously advocate for the very system that will *invariably* lead to more and greater inhumanities. And this from people who have personally born similar horrors from modern medicine. Truly dark times ahead.

@cia

Have you looked into catastrophic health insurance?

cia parker

I forgot to mention that the most common cause of bankruptcy in the US is inability to pay medical bills. Common even if you HAVE insurance. David, I think you're not considering that in most cases there is no agency, no charity, no church, which is going to step in and give medical care to people who will die without it. Yeah, most hospitals will give you emergency treatment, but they may also, as Hera noted, take your house and everything in it. No one is going to treat you for cancer if you can't pay for it. Medicaid is only for the totally indigent with less than two thousand to their name. Everyone else is on their own. If I had enough time after developing a severe health condition, I would go to Mexico City, where medical care, surgery, drugs, and hospital treatment cost a fraction of what they do here. Otherwise, valar morghulis.

David Weiner

Cia,

I feel the same way that you do about the health insurance plans that are currently available.

One possible alternative for you to look into: there are some arrangements for groups of Christians which are more economical and function much like health insurance. They are reminiscent of the earlier plans which were available through fraternal organizations that I mentioned earlier. Best of all, there was an accommodation made for them in Obamacare, so even though they don't comply with its rules for health insurance plans, they are still considered qualified coverage.

Here is a link to the website for one such plan:

https://www.medishare.org/

Linda1

Thank you, Hera.

People who advocate for a pay as you go, "free market" health care system don't know what they're talking about or what they're asking for.

Hera

Sorry; not sure if I linked correctly to the second article
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/ezwwze/the-high-price-of-insulin-is-literally-killing-people
Also, in his case it was because he moved states to be with his dying mother that he had to wait for his prescription benefits.

A friend here in the U.S. who has two kids with type one diabetes, and who has insurance, has huge co pays every month, for insulin, insulin supplies, monitoring strips etc to the tune of more than a thousand dollars some months.

Hera

I think unfortunately patients rights are less respected in both the UK and the USA.
In the USA, we recently had the Justina Pelletier case, the terribly sad case of Alex S who was strapped to a hospital bed for weeks without treatment,the hospital in New York that refused to give epidurals to women in labor unless they produced a credit card on the spot, ( whilst in active labor, no less!), and there have been quiet deaths in the US of people who can't t afford the ever increasing cost of insulin,
due to a situation with price gouging that is not allowed to happen in the UK.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/12/15621952/insulin-price-increases

(The article below describes the death of a man who had been trying to raise money on a gofundme site for his monthly insulin copay of $750 ; he died $50 short of the amount he needed to get the insulin needed to live.0

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/12/15621952/insulin-price-increases

I know that in some countries with socialized medicine, private insurance is also easily available; it is used to skip waiting lines and to have private rooms in the hospital, and more choices of doctors. The socialized medicine covers everyone though, and it means that no one who ends up spending a week or two in ICU with a heart attack or following a car crash or other accident, needs to sell their house at the end of it , as happens commonly in the U.S..

Angus Files

“The American medical system is the number one killer in the United States.”

http://reset.me/story/conventional-medicine-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us/

Even although its free in the UK glad to say we haven't had to go near them for many years.You wouldn`t wish the allopathic pseudo-cure for cancer on your worst enemy.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

John Stone

Benedetta

Yes, private healthcare and insurance are available in the UK - we just have a universal service available to everyone free on the point of delivery. Some of it is very good, but obviously other things have gone wrong. I think things can go wrong in private health systems as well (like more unaccountable corporations), and there was a lot wrong in US healthcare before Obama. Unless you are very wealthy there is always the question how much healthcare you can afford, and just occasionally it becomes a question in the NHS how much they can afford - but it comes to that point much less frequently. Of course, it has always had structural problems and in the last two decades it has been cynically offered up to certain kinds of corporate exploitation. The pharma corporate influence has also led it to become much more totalitarian. Politicians always look to business to sort out their problems but of course business always sorts out it own problems.

You can also been kidnapped with mounting bills in a private hospital and that's not funny either. In my case I can say I have had some brilliant experiences with the NHS recently - I have been in a hospital an number of times where the staff were never less than 100% wonderful, inspiring, kind - and some terrible ones in the past.

cia parker

Benedetta,
I had an Italian boyfriend who went to a private doctor to have a large, possibly precancerous mole, removed, that the Italian socialized system wouldn't pay for. And I lived in Sweden and read an article in a Swedish magazine about the budgets of a number of ordinary people, and most of them included premiums for private medical insurance, which surprised me, as I thought they had a great socialized system which paid for everything necessary. I can't say any more than that. I think it must be common for people under socialized medical care to sometimes go to private doctors. And in the UK many people go to private doctors to get single rather than multivalent vaccines or preferable brands.

cia parker

David,

Many of us would be completely unable to afford medical treatment in the US as it is now. I have refused Obamacare for both myself and my daughter, pay a very high penalty, but that's the way it is. As it is, we never go to the doctor. Ever. But I recognize that if the day came when one of us was run over by a truck or got cancer, then we would be up a creek, with no way to pay for treatment.

I have huge disdain for conventional medical treatment and recognize how they exploit the suffering of ordinary people for their own profit and prestige. But I, again, recognize that in some cases you need conventional allopathic treatment from exploitative professionals or you die. There should be a better way of handling this. Could you offer some resources for what we should do in the dire cases I mentioned?

Benedetta

John Stone;

Can you buy health insurance over in Great Britain?

Some one sent this to me.

I am not sure what it is.
If you would take a second from your busy schedule and on a peaceful Sunday evening and have a look at what it is; I would appreciate it.

https://www.freedomhealthinsurance.co.uk/

David Weiner

If the people commenting here, who have a much greater appreciation for the horrific impact that government has had on our health care than the general population does, cannot see the folly in giving government even more control over our health care, then I am surely fighting a lost cause.

I guess people are just going to have to learn this lesson the hard way.

John Stone

Jenny,

Indeed, no one can afford justice against the British state anymore, apart from the super-rich, who don’t need it. At some point of course the state needs to intervene against irresponsible or criminal parents but these were not irresponsible or criminal parents. Successive governments have connived at the destruction of British justice: Labour, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats during the coalition.

Jenny Allan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5668477/Alfie-Evans-JustGiving-page-continues-receive-donations.html
https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Christian-lawyers-parents-may-ask-judges-to-consider-Alfie-Evans-life-support-case-a-second-time

Patricia there's no secret about the funding for little Alfie's parents. The money was raised by public crowdfunding. A Christian Legal Charity provided legal court representation Pro Bono.
I happen to regard the complete lack of Government funded legal support and advocacy for the parents as a disgrace. I hope new laws will be put in place to remedy this.

Forget all the ridiculous adverse publicity about 'Alfie's Army'. They are just ordinary concerned persons, UK citizens and parents. Yes - every internet organisation gets targeted by trolls, whose intention is purely to disrupt and destroy credibility. AoA and its contributors are regularly taregeted. Demonstrations are also invaded by the 'rent a mob' nasties, who care nothing for the cause, but are hell bent on pushing their own agendas, usually anti government of the day.

cia parker

My father, in the early days of medical insurance (1970s), was against socialized medical care because he said that there were already Mercy hospitals as in New Orleans, where he grew up. In my homeschooling with Cecily a few months ago, we both learned that the socialist governor of Louisiana, Huey Long (my father still had a kingfish lapel pin that Long had given to his father while campaigning) started Mercy Hospital in N.O. to treat those who couldn't pay privately for their treatment.

We need to expand Medicare to cover everyone, paid for through taxes through schemes similar to what other countries are fairly successfully using. We also need to work to prevent abuses such as those in Alfie's case. My mother died five years ago of Alzheimer's, caused by the yearly flu vaccines she and my father used to get every year at the mall. He was ultimately paralyzed by them about the same time she developed Alzheimer's. My brother had the medical power of attorney and insisted that she get chocolate Ensure to drink in the care facility until she could no longer swallow. And then, yes, they let her die over several days. And once you can no longer swallow, I think that's appropriate. She had several strokes at that time. I went to see her a few days before she died. One eye had strabismus, like Alfie's. They said her mind was completely gone, had been for a long time, but when I came she raised her arm in the air to greet me the only way she could and became more alert because I had come and she recognized me. I think she was holding on to see me before she died. I held her hand and told her Cecily was with me, and that she was nearly thirteen years old. I told her she was dying, that her long and undeserved suffering was about to end, and she would soon be with my father and her own parents, happy and whole again. My brother had told me not to tell her she was dying, but that's ridiculous: everyone has the right to know that and to prepare their soul, and to be reassured that joy awaits them. The day before, she had rallied, as dying people so often do. And even though the doctors said her brain was hopelessly damaged and could process nothing, she spoke and asked my brother about her own brother and sister, and when he gave her updates, said Well, who would have thought that? That's fine! And she spoke with someone in the room whom no one else could see, often a common occurrence when they come to accompany their loved one in dying to a new life. I thought about that when I saw Alfie open his eyes when his father told him to and struggle to keep them open. Sometimes the spirit can work and transcend the brain. A photo of Alfie taken a few days ago is circulating on the Internet in which he has a little smile on his lips, and people are saying that he sees his guardian angel. I'm glad that so many people still have faith, hope, and love.

Patricia,

I thought that Tom and Kate would not be able to endure such suffering indefinitely, and that they would come to accept Alfie's death as a grace. But it had to happen as a result of natural changes and a gradual process of acceptance. The armed guards at the door naturally had the effect of pitting life against death, with the powerful forces commanding death. I have read that the life support tubes used on Alfie were too large for him and had damaged his trachea over that long a period of time, and that the drugs were needed in part to mask the pain caused by the bulky tubes. That they had considered doing a tracheostomy to replace the use of these tubes. That they were ready and waiting to do it in Italy. Again, the NHS did not have any obligation to continue paying for Alfie's care, but such was not necessary, as others had agreed to pay for whatever was necessary. All the hospital had to do was let the helicopter waiting take Alfie to be transported to Italy. And then at whatever point he would probably have died, the parents could be at peace knowing that they had done everything possible for him. Instead, Tom was in despair when he died, that he had come so close to freeing him and granting him a little longer to live, and is said to have barricaded himself in the hospital room when the child died yesterday morning to protect his child from the enemies all around who had ordered his death.

This was really war in heaven, and the medical establishment is completely deluded if it thinks that it was on the side of the angels.

Patricia

John, it has indeed been quite a long time.......but to be fair and in my own defence, I have no time these days for ‘establishment’ newspapers or TV - especially the BBC!
I try to find informative but less biased and ‘opinionated’ sources - such as ploughing through the transcripts of a High Court summary! Far more revealing.
I did wonder who was funding the Evans family, Court Appeals, trips to the Vatican, fully equipped jets waiting on the tarmac.... Now I know. Who needs crowdfunding when you have other more sinister sources at hand. A toxic mix of politics and religion .......and the tragic manipulation of grief and ignorance.

David Weiner

Linda,

You ask why the churches don't fill the gap in health care. Well, they DID before the government stepped in. That is one of the huge problems with the welfare state; it displaces civil society. There were many church-run hospitals that used to cater to the poor.

And no, I am not simply extrapolating from "one massively corrupt system" in my conclusion that a government-run system can't work. Socialism doesn't work, period. This has been amply demonstrated in the 20th and 21st centuries. Why should we expect it to work for health care? While the European and Canadian systems are not as expensive as the U.S. system, they are still very costly and unsustainable. That is the nature of welfare programs. The benefits are front-ended, so they become popular and difficult to repeal. They are Ponzi schemes and woe to the people at the back end, after the money has run out. The only exception that I am aware of to this rule is Singapore's system. They actually designed a very sensible system that is low cost (about 4% of GDP), provides high quality care, and is sustainable. I would support moving to a system like theirs, since there is too much false consciousness surrounding this issue to ever get back to a free market, I am afraid.

You say that "people were dying in the street" for lack of care prior to Medicare/Medicaid. Well, I would like to see the evidence for this.

Here is an article describing charity care prior to Medicare:

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/separating-charity-health-care-state/

Here is a video describing the destruction of lodge practices in the early 20th century:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ&feature=youtu.be

Linda1

John,
I can't imagine having a mindset that agrees with kidnapping and murder because it is done by some kind of authority. Heaven help us.

Grace Green

Patricia, you say your integrative doctor told you your M.E. was caused by your vaccine. You can't get an integrative doctor on the NHS and the latter will never acknowledge that M.E. is caused by vaccines, or even that it's anything other than psychological! Alfie's parents were denied the right to obtain whatever treatment they thought best for their son, given that the Alder Hay were not willing to continue treating him. I can't understand why you think that NHS hospital and it's doctors are infallible, especially since you didn't even know it's in Liverpool not London. Also I don't think the hospital had power of attorney - that should have been given to an independent representative, though how independent anyone was in this case is IMO doubtful.

Jenny

David Weiner: I continually wonder what the purpose is for medical licensing boards. I cannot fathom why it would be necessary if a doctor has taken all necessary classes and clinical instruction, and an institution grants him/her a degree. It truly baffle me. A comfort level in the proficiency of a doctor from a patient's standpoint could easily come from simply being legally allowed to to see your providers medical school "report card." How did they do in classes? What continuing education have they taken and who provided the training and paid for it? If a future doctor gets a "C" or less, in other words, is retaining less than 70% of what they are learning, they should simply be required to take continual studies in that area before a degree is granted until they have honed the topic. In a true free market, the quality of care would be raised, instead of lowered, because patients wouldn't want doctors who were bad students, and institutions would be careful who to accept into the med programs and be careful who to give degrees to. If an institution grants a degree without ensuring adequate knowledge for that degree, they should be held responsible for fraudulently providing a degree. Done. Fini.

Medical licensing boards seem to me to be another instance of "special court" and we all know what happens when the words "special court" happen. Justice is compromised, a jury of one's peers, ie transparency, is eliminated.

All patients should consider asking to see their provider's curricula vitae before entering into a partnership with them, as well as their grades. Someone who got good grades would be proud to display them. This might even eliminate any confusion as to who is hiring whom in a health care situation. If the education looks adequate, patients might then want to consider providing the potential care provider a moral or ethical questionnaire, as to their beliefs in how the patient/doctor relationship works and who holds the power over decisions and bares responsibility for the outcomes of those decisions. I would hazard a guess that Alfie's parents disagree with their government at this point about what is a good doctor, and they were legally prevented from looking for a different one, which is what the industry wants.

John Stone

Linda

I think Patricia, who has for a long time been a sympathetic commenter here, has just taken a little too much on trust from sources that we used to trust. Latterly people have made me frantic quoting the BBC back at me. These days I hate the BBC, the Guardian and the Independent because of their pretence at rectitude and having high feelings.

Linda1

You know Patricia,

Since I recently became aware of Alfie Evans, I have been defending your country against criticism of your socialized health care. Reading your comments has convinced me that I need to stop doing that.

We in the US are far from perfect, but at least we still know that kidnapping and infanticide is wrong. When it happens here, it is hidden from public view and we don't go applauding the criminals on as if they're doing a service to humanity. You and many of your fellow citizens seem to have lost your moral compass in a big way.

You probably don't realize that many of this blog's readers have loved ones who were or are sustained by mechanical ventilation and who also may have significant brain damage and who couldn't imagine the cruelty you have accepted as normal, even confusing it with kindness.

Frightening condition the human race is in.

Linda1

David,
You are holding up a massively corrupt system as an example of why it can't work. Try holding up a system that does work. Many examples around the world. Our system is expensive because we are being fleeced. Health care should never have been made a for profit enterprise. That was mistake #1.

"People were not dying in the street for lack of medical treatment."

Oh, yes they were.

There are people saying that our current system should be replaced by church run charities helping those who cannot afford care. My answer to that is the churches can certainly do that now. They don't.

David Weiner

Linda,

I disagree that not allowing people to suffer and die means that government must pay for people's care.

Prior to Medicare and Medicaid, it was common practice for doctors to do pro bono work for people who couldn't afford it, or to reduce charges to a level that they could afford. People were not dying in the street for lack of medical treatment. When Medicare came in, seniors increased their utilization of subsidized health care, but there was no corresponding decrease in their mortality rates.

So there are ways for civil society to take care of the poor and needy without bringing the government into the equation. There were also mutual aid societies which flourished into the early 20th century before government measures were introduced that made them no longer tenable.

Since Medicare, medical care has gone through such extreme inflation that hardly anyone can afford it anymore, unless they are relying primarily upon self-care. Which leaves us in a terrible bind. As I said, Pandora's box has been open.

And, what's more, THE GOVERNMENT cannot afford to pay for our society's medical care on a long-term basis either. Medicare and Medicaid are insolvent to the tune of perhaps $100 trillion. One day it WILL default on all of these empty promises and leave huge numbers of people in a bad spot. And, of course, the government's destruction of our kids' health will only accelerate and exacerbate this crisis. Does this sound like the way that a humane society confronts this problem?

Patricia

CIA. There are many religions on this planet. I was once a devout Catholic. Now I am more inclined toward the Hindu Beliefs, one fundamental being the definition of life.
‘To breathe is to live and without breath there is no life.’
Alfie had been kept alive by artificial means for nearly two years. Without artificial support he would inevitably have died. His brain was dead. My question remains, how long would his grieving parents have wished to keep him in that semi vegetative state if the courts had granted them that option? Years? With a bedroom at home filled with the mechanics of artificial means? Alder Hey had been granted by law the power of attorney for Alfie. I am happy with that. I trust in their superior knowledge of the human brain. And I have a reverence for the breath of life.
No, I do not wish to engage in any debate on this thread with those who throw accusations of cover ups, sinister goings on, and even murder at this excellent Hospital. I am sad that such accusations were allowed to be put up here unchallenged by John himself.
Thank you for your comments re my own autoimmune vaccine injury. I have written about it on another thread here.

Jenny Allan

@ Cia Parker "He would be alive now at the Roman hospital had the parents been permitted to leave the country with Alfie rather than station armed guards outside his door and outside the hospital to prevent his escape."

In the UK, all we were told was Alfie was 'in the middle of a palliative care plan.' We can only speculate on what this plan actually entailed, but Liverpool Hospitals have demonstrated a talent for devising ingenious ways to dispatch patients. The Liverpool Care Pathway was promoted as a way of 'easing the passing' of terminally ill patients. Words like 'dignity' - very much a hospital word- got bandied about to conceal the reality of this method of killing. In practice, all food and fluids were withdrawn and the patient was heavily sedated, mainly to prevent any complaints about hunger and thirst.

Invariably, patients' relatives were not consulted. Patients with advanced Alzheimers were stated to have 'fully consented' to the procedure. Patients often took many days or even weeks to die and much suffering was caused by this horrendously inhumane procedure, promoted to the public as preventing suffering.

It all unravelled after the daughter of an elderly hospital patient, visited her mum in a Staffordshire hospital. Patients were screaming in pain and some were trying to drink the water in flower vases. A public outcry followed. A consultant whistleblower in another hospital, claimed the LCP was regularly used to 'free up beds'. A few patients survived the procedure after concerned relatives removed them from hospital. There were also a few mistakes, when the wrong patients were put on the pathway.

The Liverpool Care Pathway is now banned in UK hospitals, but there are persistent rumours it is still being used under some other name in our hospitals. It's ironic the Judge, by permitting the hospital to withdraw Alfie's life support machines, also gave tacit permission to 'ease his passing' in ways which are identical to the banned LCP. The Judge in Alfie's case, like the Judge in the horrendous Ashiya King case, will live to regret his verdict. After all, the parents were only asking for a delay, whilst they obtained a second opinion. This is a right which all UK citizens are supposed to have, enshrined in our UK laws.

cia parker

https://www.facebook.com/thomas.leenew.7/posts/860464134141901

Very moving comments in many languages from many countries in the world expressing their sorrow and solidarity with Alfie's family. Everyone outraged at a system which permits doctors and judges to override the parents' wishes in such a situation, one in which other countries had offered to help the child for free. It really doesn't matter two cents what other people think his prognosis was, what the doctors thought the prognosis was, the only thing that matters is what the parents wanted and that they had the means to carry out their plan for giving him a little longer life. He would be alive now at the Roman hospital had the parents been permitted to leave the country with Alfie rather than station armed guards outside his door and outside the hospital to prevent his escape. Would this all have worked out the same way if Alfie's parents had been wealthy and of higher class? I doubt it. I'm sure that at least now the law will be changed: this is just too egregious an abuse to be tolerated.

Linda1

"A leading Italian right-wing politician, Veneto Gov. Luca Zaia, said the "so-called civilized world has supplied the latest proof of enormous incivility.""

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-toddler-at-center-of-legal-battle-dies/ar-AAwrZd9

Linda1

I agree David. Except for one thing which is I guess the biggest part - we the people must take back our government and then we must see to it that we have a civil and just society. In my mind, civil means not letting people suffer and die when we can prevent it. And that means government, ie we the people, making sure that we do our best in that regard.

Some people say not to let government have anything to do with health care, but looking at history, we know what that means. It isn't pretty.

The problem is the strings attached, the mandates, the control, the Wall Street influence that puts stock value over life. That is what has to end.

I know this sounds idealistic, but I think that is what is necessary. It may be impossible at this point due to pervasive moral decay, apathy and mindlessness.

David Weiner

Linda,

I would certainly agree that the interference is criminal in nature and pervasive.

Yet there is only one institution in our society that can legally use violence against people who themselves have not committed any acts of aggression, and that is government. Only governments can legally throw healers in jail, close down their medical practices, destroy therapeutic products, libel people, gag health promoters from truthfully advertising their goods and services, etc, with impunity.

Of course, it goes without saying that there are other individuals and institutions that encourage governments to undertake actions such as these, but these others cannot legally do these same things unless they have been given police powers by governments, as was the case with the AMA.

So any time a society decides to allow governments to take a proactive role in their medical system, it opens the door for criminal thugs to exploit this involvement for their own purposes. Pandora's Box is opened. This is what happened when medical licensing came to the United States. And it only escalated when government started to fund medical research and to pay for people's medical care. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Linda1

David,
"Hoxsey: How Healing Becomes a Crime". It shows, in a very profound way, how government interference has destroyed our system."

I would not call it government interference. I'd call it criminal interference with all our institutions, including government.

cia parker

Patricia,

I'm sorry that you were diagnosed with ME, and, as you know, this type of demyelinating disorder is often caused by vaccines. I hope that you will continue to comment here and read the articles put up.

David Weiner

Benedetta and John,

I strongly agree with both of your recent comments.

In my view, if we are going to ever overcome the medical tyranny, it will be a result of establishing comprehensive health freedom, where the State has no special role to play in the medical system. It will just provide the court system to handle allegations of fraud, coercion, and liability.

The State cannot be a "player" and a referee (impartial arbiter) at the same time. With the vaccine program, and in other contexts, once it sets goals and endorses certain technologies and agendas and scientific theories, it will do its utmost to promote these positions, results be damned.

And yes, I know that the prospect for real health freedom is slim, at least in the near term. Populations where there is socialized medicine strongly support these programs, whatever their shortcomings. And in the U.S., there is a lot of discontent with our (mostly socialized) system, yet few people recognize that it is the government interference in free exchange that has wrecked our system. So we will probably end up with a fully socialized system as well. We did once have an excellent, free-market system in the 19th century, but few people are even aware of this.

I strongly recommend that anyone who is interested in these issues watch the outstanding documentary "Hoxsey: How Healing Becomes a Crime". It shows, in a very profound way, how government interference has destroyed our system. And no, it is not a libertarian screed; the filmmaker, Ken Ausubel, is most definitely a progressive. It can be watched on Youtube.

cia parker

Jenny,
I saw that this morning, that Alfie had died at 2:30 a.m. As the Pope said, he is already in the Father's warm embrace. May his parents find peace the sooner for having fought so hard for him and loved him so much.

Linda1

So now that the child has been killed under the pretense of preventing his suffering, it shouldn't bother the murderers if the body is whisked away to Italy for an autopsy.

No, I didn't ready that it was happening. It should.

Susan

Has anyone seen the photos of the policemen who were there making sure Alfie didn't leave the country ?
It seems like they had something to hide. Were they hiding a vaccine injury ? What did they not want the Italians to find out about ?

Jenny Allan

Very sorry to report Alfie died 02-30 BST. My sincere condolences to his parents.

https://news.sky.com/story/alfie-evans-dies-after-parents-lose-legal-fight-for-life-support-11344883
I pray the publicity, and Alfie's parents' fight to save their beautiful little boy, will result in changes in the UK law, in particular the 'Alfie's Law' proposed by barrister MEP Steven Woolfe.

John Stone

Benedetta

We have good reason to fear in the U.K. but the the trouble is that in the face of global corporatism it does not really matter - right or left - anywhere in the world if the normal rules of good government cease to apply or are suspended. It is clear that the courts have been totally inadequate in the US against the great interests, and the right has only been a little better than the left. Collusion is everywhere.

The makers of the US constitution believed that citizens needed to be protected from over-powerful interests - in the U.K. we had a differently developing democratic tradition but the real problem now is all the clever moves everywhere to undermine accountability. For instance, in the U.K. there used to a resonant legal phrase about “justice being done, and justice being seen to be done”. Used to be. That’s so 1960s.

Benedetta

To my friends in Great Britain; I pray and hope that you can put this beast back into the cage.
It is all state for you.
State owned medical system
State own judges and judicial system
State owned by those unnamed, unknown human beings that got into power by not what they know but who they know.

Jenny Allan

Alfie's parents have asked for 'privacy' and for Alfie's supporters to stop demonstrating. It seems deals are being made behind the scenes. Understandably, Alfie's parents want to take their child home, and why not, if all he needs is a little oxygen to help him breathe? Trust and confidence in Alder Hey Hospital has gone, and yes, some unsavoury past hospital practices have come to light with all the publicity.

Alfie has a new champion in European Parliament Member, Steven Woolfe, who is campaigning for new Alfie's Law legislation to be introduced in the UK. This would empower parents who find themselves in similar situations. Alfie is not the first child to have been the subject of medical tyranny. In recent years, there have been several other high profile cases.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/alfie-evans-case-steven-woolfe-law-change-needed-opinion-a8326041.html
Quotes from above:-
"But this is a situation that could happen to any parent or carer, anywhere in the UK, at any time. Suddenly, your child could be involved in an accident or become gravely ill. On top of the shock and trauma, if the hospital chose to cease treatment, you would then face exactly the same legal fight as Alfie’s parents, and many before him. And the outcome would be the same – you would, in all likelihood, lose.

This aberration must stop. Even as a barrister myself, I have been dismayed by the way Alfie’s parents have been sidelined; their pleas set aside and their very human concerns ignored by the system. We cannot go on treating parents as bystanders, little more than unrelated and largely unwanted visitors when it comes to the decisions made by doctors and the courts."


Linda1

"His sucking response can only have been reflexive since it has been clearly shown by the latest scan that his brain ‘has been virtually wiped out, it is nothing but water "

Patricia,
He must have some brain function in order to be breathing and have his heart beating without assistance. But since the doctors believe that he has no brain, could you please explain then why they insist on keeping him? What difference does it make where a brainless child is kept? If he is brainless he cannot feel pain or experience discomfort. Why can't they go home? Why can't they take the baby anywhere in the world that they want to take him?

WHY IS THIS BABY BEING HELD HOSTAGE?

"Today this father has fully accepted that the hospital has always had Alfie’s best interests at heart and that their staff has had to endure appalling abuse both in social media and upon entering and exiting the hospital."

He was told that he can't have his son alive unless he changes his attitude. That was a direct quote of one of the physicians. THAT WAS A THREAT OF A KIDNAPPER. The father is doing what he needs to do to keep his son alive. He has obviously been threatened to stop talking about the case and to stop the outside support OR ELSE.

It is classic abuser behavior to claim that they are the ones being abused.

John Stone

I don't think this is about a two year rule on vaccine damage. The maximum payment is only £120k (or $165k). Besides which the government are incredibly adept at denying payments, there have only been three since 2010, and only because two Scandinavian nations blew the whistle on Pandemrix and narcolepsy. Any doctor even whispering about the possibility of vaccine injury would normally be instantly Wakefielded - the last person that happened to was Dr Waney Squier. Otherwise, officially vaccine damage never happens - and no one would dare give testimony about it - unlike the US. Squier's views and evidence would have been perfectly acceptable in a US court or the VICP, but in the UK she was hauled before the GMC. I believe the latest was that she was allowed to work but was not allowed to consider such a diagnosis in future.

We have to understand that this is the institutional background to any mainstream discussion, or any court hearing in the UK. In principle vaccine damage no longer happens in the UK, which is a great bureaucratic triumph. In the February High Court hearing vaccines were not part of Alfie's medical history, but it seems more likely that he had them than not. Ethically, I don't think it makes much difference whether he had an incipient condition and he was administered vaccines, or whether the degenerative condition was entirely precipitated by the vaccines - perhaps worse if there was something wrong in the first place.

If vaccines are implicated then the British state may be jumpy about Alfie leaving the country because other countries might be just slightly more prepared to consider these matters.

Gary Ogden

It appears that this particular hospital has a pretty ghoulish recent history. Little Alfie certainly deserves better than he's gotten. Wishing the best for Alfie and his family.

Gary Ogden

Master Frederic: You appear to be disturbed by free inquiry. I have no doubt this is one of the reasons we have gotten to such a state of ill health in the "rich" countries. The public has become too much like sheep. I learned at an early age to question everything, and this strategy has served me well in developing discernment. I suggest you give it a try.

Jenny Allan

@ Patricia "the photographs shown of Alfie with open eyes has no significance since it has been shown that Alfie has neither sight nor hearing and, as seen by the scan no brain left. "
Strongly disagree!!

I was referring to a video, not a photograph, and this child clearly demonstrated alertness. As for that pathetic hospital 'spokesperson' who stated it was normal for persons to live for days after life support systems were turned off, was the Judge told this before his verdict?

Any brain scan which purported to show 'no brain left' was clearly misinterpreted in Alfie's case, and if such a scan has underpinned his hospital care plan all along, then clearly mistakes have been made previously. Has a new care plan now been made by the hospital for Alfie? ...or are they still determined to kill him by whatever means. It seems they still have the legal powers to do this, by withdrawing food and fluids and/or administering sedatives.

cia parker

David Weiner,
I just saw this, about claims for vaccine injury only being admitted after two years old.

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment/how-to-claim

cia parker

Jenny and Frederic,

I disagree that we should not discuss might have been the cause of Alfie's condition. We need to learn everything possible about what could cause such a thing and what might be done to prevent such suffering in the future. In this case, it's hard for many to imagine that routine vaccines given at 2, 4, and 6 months (and 12 maybe?) could have caused such devastation, and many are saying the condition has never been seen before and no one has any idea what could have caused it. And yet this is just exactly what brain damage caused by a vaccine could look like. First many serious infections. And vaccine immune suppression can do just that. Strabismus at two months, the age at which the first vaccines are given. Eight weeks, I should have said. Healthy up to that point. And strabismus is often caused by vaccines. Then a slow decline into serious neurological deterioration, of exactly the sort that vaccines can cause.

Parents need to know all of this and consider it before allowing any vaccine to be given to their child. Many parents upon learning that autism, sometimes fatal allergies and asthma, diabetes, etc., are often caused by routine vaccines will decide not to get them. Not many percentage-wise have reactions as severe as Alfie's, but numerically, many do. Some, like many of Dr. Moskowitz' patients, may choose to get only the DT series and maybe polio. Maybe one or more of the meningitis vaccines if breastfeeding is not possible up to at least two years old and daycare is necessary. It is totally not worth it to risk losing your child in order to prevent mild childhood diseases, or rare ones. But each parent must decide which risk he or she would rather take.

Angus Files

Chop would prefer just like the MSM nobody talked at all just sweep it under the table Chop with all the other statistics as they say one is a tragedy this highlights that much to the discontent of Chop.

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

Linda1

Frederic Chopin,
The photo reveals much about his condition. At the time the photos were taken, he was well oxygenated (pink) off of the ventilator. We know what we have been told - importantly - that there is no diagnosis. His aunt has posted that he was normal before vaccines. It doesn't make sense that he has been sentenced to death and denied further care and nourishment, when they don't even know what is wrong with him.

Two questions need answers:

What is wrong with Alfie Evans?

Why is he being held hostage?

Patricia

One important point raised also by Jenny Allen. It must be borne in mind that the photographs shown of Alfie with open eyes has no significance since it has been shown that Alfie has neither sight nor hearing and, as seen by the scan no brain left. He may carry on ‘living’ for days even weeks. No doctor has stated that taking away his support system would result in either instant or death shortly thereafter.

Patricia

CIA
I can hear that you are extremely emotional over this case and with your own personal experience of vaccine damage I can understand why. I too was diagnosed with M.E. after a flue shot 8 years ago. My integrative doctor told me it was quite possibly caused by that shot.
A few points. Alfie did not suck on a bottle, it was a dummy. I saw the photo too, and the eyes open. His sucking response can only have been reflexive since it has been clearly shown by the latest scan that his brain ‘has been virtually wiped out, it is nothing but water ...’ this was stated by the High Court Judge in the link I gave.
And no, I did not say that Alfie’s condition was NOT affected by any vaccines he may have received. When I stated that his condition had not been caused by vaccine damage I simply meant that it had not been conclusively proven to have been caused by vaccines. I do decidedly believe however that IF he had had his regular shots they would have undoubtedly worsened any pre existing microcondial destruction of his brain.
Your comments are based upon your own personal beliefs CIA. That’s not what I am criticising here. I am as much in the dark as anyone as to the actual cause of Charlie Gard and Alfie’s brain destruction.
What has disturbed me the most about these cases, is the deep distrust and contempt that many young parents and others appear to have for our medical profession, especially paediatrics. They also obviously feel a strong sense of entitlement in their condemnation of the way in which the profession handles such cases of undiagnosed brain diseases in these children. This sense of entitlement I believe, is a malaise, brought about by aand encouraged by, a rampantly untrustworthy media , TV, newspapers and the internet and by a social media infested with a lust for soap opera style drama and wanton ignorance, a dangerous combination. IMO. Add politics and religion to this toxic mix and it becomes even more dangerous . That is not a demonstration of love and compassion for a dying child and his grieving and bewildered young parents. It is a riotous uncontrollable self righteous demonstration of so called people power. One has only to take a quick look at the smug examples of selfies taken for publication to understand what is truly going on outside Alder Hey Hospital. I have said far too much on this thread. A disturbing and deeply depressing episode altogether.

Jenny Allan

Frederic Chopin - You are right.
We should not be making assumptions and assertions here about little Alfie Evans's condition.
Even so, something is VERY wrong with the way Alfie's hospital case has been handled by the UK health authorities. Hospital staff, like Alfie's parents, have to heed Court decisions, but as John Stone points out below, Judges can only act in accordance with the so called 'expert' medical testimony they are given by hospitals, and in Alfie's case this seems to have been misleading.

After a protracted legal fight, the Judge decreed the hospital could turn off Alfie's life support machines. There's no question, the judge made this decision in good faith, having been told Alfie was effectively 'brain dead'. It was expected Alfie would then die naturally a short time after.

We now know Alfie didn't die. At the time of writing this, he is still alive having 'survived' for more than 3 days without breathing support. We have seen videos, purported to have been taken post switch off, showing Alfie with his eyes open, making eye contact with his parents, and trying to smile. He seemed happy with no signs of any 'suffering'. I can only imagine the anguish of his poor parents, denied the chance to have Alfie offered palliative care in the meantime, by at least 2 other European countries, both prepared to pay for Alfie's medical care and upkeep. No one's talking about a cure, but there are discoveries being made in neural replacements and transplants.

It should also be remembered how much cash these protracted legal arguments are costing the NHS, stated to be 'cash strapped' and short of staff and equipment.

cia parker

I would also like to commend Alfie's parents Tom and Kate. They are very young, 21 and 20 now, but have shown themselves to be strong and loving, summoning courage and energy to defend and protect their baby when few would be able to do so for so long. The photos and videos of the child embracing Kate as she stroked him and sang to him, and of Tom urging him to open his eyes and keep them open (he did), and of Tom defying the medical and legal world which had written off his son, dignified but defiant and steadfast, are remarkable portraits of courage. Tom and Kate, I send you my admiration and my prayers.

cia parker

Patricia,

As I said before, I saw a photo of Alfie sucking on a bottle taken after his life support was switched off. And, again, the hospital was ready to write him off, fine, the taxpayer should not have to pay a lot of money on probably hopeless cases. But the hospital and the courts had no right, as Hera said in her excellent comment, to prevent his parents from taking him to Italy for assessment and possible treatment. It couldn't have hurt and might have helped. Might still, if the parents change their mind.

It is not that vaccines are used as an umbrella theory of causation for autism, but that there is no other possible candidate for being the "real" cause: something that increased simultaneously all over the developed world around 1990, the time when the autism epidemic began, and which has been proven in innumerable scientific, peer-reviewed studies to often cause massive inflammation as part of the desired immune response. When acute it often causes encephalitis and massive brain damage; when chronic, it often causes any of all the innumerable autoimmune diseases. Dr. Moskowitz said in his superb book Vaccines, published last year, that every time they look at damage caused by the hep-B vaccine, they find a new, never-before-seen autoimmune disease. And it's usually not because it existed before but no one noticed it, but because some of the intricate mechanisms of the nervous and/or immune systems have been damaged in some new fashion by one or more vaccines. I read that what Alfie has is completely new and may well be named for him. I think it's rather that his condition may be included by Dr. Moskowitz in the next edition of his book as just one more autoimmune disease created by reaction to vaccines. If you recognize that not everyone dies of peanut allergy if they eat any peanut protein, but that some do, then you must recognize that while not everyone reacts to vaccines the way Alfie did, but some do, then you will have an accurate view of the situation. Some people's immune systems are more reactive than others, which was to their benefit before vaccines, but is to their detriment if they get vaccines.

Are you saying that if Alfie had gotten any more vaccines once his condition had become severe, that they may have been the cause of its exacerbation, but that since he wasn't that bad off for some time after his 2, 4, and 6 month vaccines (although bad enough, with many infections caused by the vaccine immunosuppression), that they clearly had nothing to do with it? Again, not true at all. I highly recommend Moskowitz' book, in which he gives scientific explanations and many examples of the slow amplification of the vaccine damage over many months, even years.

Medical practitioners everywhere should make careful note of this tragic case and ask themselves if they can, in good conscience, continue vaccinating as per the recommended schedule, in spite of the massive harm being done to millions by it. Think about 1960 everywhere in the developed world. The only vaccines routinely given were smallpox (which was very dangerous and unnecessary in the developed world, at least), polio, and DPT. And pertussis had stopped being dangerous in the vast majority of cases several decades earlier, so that many doctors questioned the wisdom of its continued use in healthy children. And everywhere there were millions of happy, friendly, active, beautiful children, who just got measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, etc., and were the better for it, with healthier immune function. There were NO killer diseases attacking large numbers of children after the polio vaccine was developed. Even Hib meningitis, which I only recommend consideration of the vaccine for in cases of a baby under 18 months old in daycare and not breastfed, at its height killed one baby in a thousand. A small number, but in the realm of conceivable reality. A fact that parents should be aware of and take into account, and also take into account that there are effective, safe homeopathic nosodes which can be given to the youngest infant to protect him from potentially dangerous diseases like pertussis and Hib and pneumococcal meningitis.

So Alfie has a neurodegenerative disease? So do I, multiple sclerosis, which started when both my arms were paralyzed for several days starting the same day as a tetanus booster shot. So did my parents: my father was slowly paralyzed over some months after he got his yearly flu jab. My mother got Alzheimer's at the same time, known in earlier times as general paresis of the insane, caused by the mercury in the flu shots. Mercury causes both dementia and paralysis, usually over many years. Vaccines very often set into motion a tragic and inexorable process of destruction of the brain and the rest of the nervous system.

Frederic Chopin

"We will not diagnose this youngster with anything here at Age of Autism, nor will we interject about the possible causes of his illness."

I don't think everyone got the message.

Patricia

Hera
There is a massive media interest in Alfie Evans’ case. Much of it in the uk and abroad has been inflammatory and sensational and wholly inaccurate. Alfie was under a court order to have his life support switched off (do please read the high court transcript for why this decision was made), but no doctor ever stipulated that Alfie would then die within minutes or hours, or days or weeks. Alfie never sat up and ate and drank after his life support was switched off. What his father meant was that he had a feeding tube with liquids and had not gagged. This did not signify he was in recovery. Nothing sinister has taken place at this excellent hospital with regard to Alfie Evans. Nothing but compassion and the best of all possible treatment has been made available to this catastrophically brain damaged terminally ill baby. The young father has been manipulated by individuals ignorant of medical procedures (individuals named in the transcript) and motivated by their own political agendas. Today this father has fully accepted that the hospital has always had Alfie’s best interests at heart and that their staff has had to endure appalling abuse both in social media and upon entering and exiting the hospital. They have endured threats of death and rape , the usual lot it appears of those demented enough to carry out such threats in words only. The father has announced today that he has had good talks and is building bridges with the hospital, that he wishes his ‘army’ of supporters outside to go home and back to their lives. IMO this ‘army’ of supporters has behaved much like those that surrounded the Guillotine in France. Only in this place there are other sick and frightened children having to endure the shouts and screams of an angry mob threatening to ‘storm’ their place of safety. There is an excellent explanation given by a doctor about the extreme distress of a child such as Alfie dying on a flight from the uk to Rome. But I am tired of putting up links to non sensational and well informed media links. It is up to individuals to assess the quality of media information they choose to believe.

John Stone

Dear Patricia

But if Alfie was on schedule with his vaccines at 8 weeks he was likely well before he had them and not well soon afterwards.

Cia

One should also not forget that the pneumococcal vaccine is 13 strain.

susan welch

Reading the comments on this page this morning, I just wanted to thank everyone for their contributions.

Sometimes AoA is a 'sanctuary' in this mad, depressing world.

Patricia

John when I wrote that ‘Alfie did not have ‘vaccine injury’ , I should have clarified those words further. I simply meant that this phrase ‘vaccine injury‘ - which has come to be used as an umbrella explanation for the causation of autism and death in some children - should not be automatically assumed to have been the root cause of Alfie’s brain condition. It is however perfectly reasonable I agree, to speculate that if he had had any vaccines they would assuredly have had a devastatingly negative effect on his rapidly worsening condition.

Laura Hayes

Check out what else is in Liverpool:

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/infection-and-global-health/research/brain-infections-group/

18 y-o mother, 19 y-o father...

baby born in Liverpool...

vaccines nearby in Liverpool just waiting to be tested...

all the evil ones collaborating under one roof together near Alder Hey...

Alder Hey refusing to release Alfie...

WHY? What might be discovered if Alfie is tested elsewhere?

Almost no imagination needed...

Hera

Patricia,
I admit to being unimpressed with the Guardian article.
"Death with dignity" seems imo to be being used to actually mean " Death when it is prescribed, and exactly how and when the doctors have decided it has to happen." I am not particularly against palliative care only, in some cases, but have never seen how withdrawing food and water ( as happened to Alfie Evans for 6 hours) has any real "dignity" or even humanity to it.

The arguments being used to prevent him going to Italy are also illogical, as John Stone also pointed out.

We have a baby who is in a semi vegative state and can feel nothing...but he is also "in pain"

We have a hospital in Italy who is willing to offer treatment, but the parents are being told that he may ( gasp!) die if he goes in an airplane. What real difference is there between dying in a bed on an airplane on the way to get some kind of treatment, and dying without food, water or ventilation in a bed on the ground? Again, if he really is in pain, despite being in a semi vegative state, it seems unlikely that the height above sea level is going to make any real difference to his experience.

And in the event of pain or seizures; that's why we have medications. We don't normally consider that the correct treatment for pain, or for seizures , is hoping the patient will die.

It is also intriguing that this baby in a "semi vegative state" is also per the latest descriptions, capable of swallowing liquids, and even eating food. So he is semi vegative, but has a working gag reflex and is able to swallow, and even co-operate enough to eat? Something seems not right there...

The reality is though, even if the child is completely incapable of benefiting from anything the Italian hospital has to offer, it is the parents right to choose to have hope. The best end of life care always involves care of the relatives as well as of the dying person. For his parents, the difference between watching him die being unable to move him to a place offering to care for him, and being able to move him, and to know that when he dies, they had truly done all they could, may be immense.

I am sure the hospital has many good kind dedicated staff who have given kindness, compassion and great medical care to many; I am grateful to all of them. Still, as courts and doctors have overruled the reasonable requests of the parents, it would be a good thing to see the law changed in such a way that this excessive power over parental choices, is no longer legal.

Linda1

The fact that this baby was not even weaned off the respirator - that he went from full assistance to nothing and he was strong enough to make it on his own, shows extraordinary strength for a child that has been bedridden and heavily sedated for most of his life and who is supposed to be dying. And
the doctor's claim that it would be cruel to transport him doesn't make any sense in light of their also claiming that he has almost no brain left. You can't hurt a person who doesn't have a brain. What a bunch of BS.

annie

Yesterday, Democracy Now. featured a story about a little girl, with cerebral palsy, who could not gain access to the US. BECAUSE OF TRUMP'S TRAVEL BAN.

It would seem that BECAUSE OF TRUMP'S/MAY'S
TRAVEL BANS....
The ability of medically fragile children
to cross a border
TO CROSS THE BORDER!!!!!!!
is beside the point.

I hate them both. I hate them both non-violently - just to be clear.

cia parker

I'm sorry, I must have been thinking about a reduced schedule when I said American babies got only five vaccines at two months old. I've realized they get seven or eight, so not better than the UK at all.

cia parker

Thank you, John. I knew that the UK had had a multivalent vaccine for a long time, and sorry that you've finally added the hep-B even for infants born to healthy mothers. So Alfie would have gotten eight vaccines at once. In the US it's "only" five at two months old.

So Alfie may very well have had a genetic predisposition which was triggered by the eight-at-once vaccines. I hope Alfie's parents have more children, but are sure not to get them vaxxed. I hope they've read about the widespread speculation about his vaccine damage, and realize what happened. I agree, it's very disturbing when the "experts" just say Oh, well, he SEEMED healthy, but it was by pure chance that he developed symptoms of neurological damage right after his vaccines. How do I know it was pure chance? Well, that's what all of us have agreed to say under these circumstances. Shameful and criminal. And we'll be sure to say he was "born with it," just to throw off further speculation.

Jenny

If the Prince's new baby goes through this, and has his own money to pay for his child's treatment, whether from their own funds or from donations from royal family fans, would this hospital and the judge tell them he was not allowed to go to Italy?

Linda1

Patricia,
EXCUSE ME,
Regardless of the condition of this child's brain, he belongs to the woman who gave birth to him and his father, not the doctors, nurses, hospital and not the English court. There is something SERIOUSLY WRONG with your health care system that imprisons people against their will.
It doesn't matter what any of them think or if they believe the boy would suffer from the trip to Italy. THAT IS HIS PARENT'S DECISION TO MAKE. ONLY THEIRS.
You are supporting KIDNAPPING, MEDICAL MALPRACTICE AND ATTEMPTED MURDER.
I saw the photo of Alfie Evans after he was taken off the ventilator. He was pink and did not appear to be in any distress whatsoever. Anyone can see that he should not be treated as a hospice patient, having treatment withheld. The doctors who have tortured this child and his family should be imprisoned and the hospital should be closed down.

John Stone

Cia,

Yes, an interesting aspect here is that back in about 2014 the NHS further streamlined its schedule by changing vaccines at 2, 3 and 4 months to 8, 12 and 16 weeks which is both slightly earlier and more precise - so most infants will have received their first round just before two months. Of course, we don’t know for certain that Alfie received his vaccines “on time” or any vaccines at all, but perhaps the only way Patricia could exclude them from contributing to his decline is if he did not have them, particularly as no other explanation has been forthcoming - like catching a major disease. But in a proper system vaccine events would be monitored instead of ignored. Any events taking place within days of vaccination ought to be rigorously considered as a likely consequence.

Only to add that the hexavalent vaccine was only added last autumn and Alfie would have had a pentavalent vaccine without Hep B.

cia parker

Wow. I just looked up the UK vaccination schedule. It starts at 8 weeks old, the time when Alfie developed his first problems, including strabismus. Nine vaccines all in the same visit, even worse than the US. A hexavalent vaccine, men B, Prevnar, and rotavirus. I'd say that's definitely what disabled him.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/699392/Complete_immunisation_schedule_april2018.pdf

cia parker

Patricia,

Thank you for the additional information. Your link didn't work, but I found it here, and found that it also said he had been born healthy, but the first problems appeared at two months old. Again, consistent with vaccine damage, as so many of us here have seen in our own children. Did Alfie get his first vaccines at two months old, or at three? It sounded a lot like my vaccine-damaged, autistic daughter, who reacted to the hep-b vaccine at birth, given without permission, with four days and nights of endless, inconsolable screaming, vaccine encephalitis. She was said at 25 months old to only have reached nine months old developmentally. She has always had fine motor problems, but was unable to sit up until she was over a year old: she would lean on one arm in a semi-sitting position. Missed all her language milestones, started saying two words by 18 months old, both erased as soon as she got the DTaP booster and diagnosed with autism two months later. Still low-verbal at nearly 18.

"Alfie was born at the Liverpool Women’s Hospital. He was delivered at full term with a healthy weight and discharged home three days after the birth. Alfie’s mother was then 18 years old and this was her first pregnancy. Alfie’s father Tom was 19 years of age. Though self-evidently very young and though Alfie had not been planned his parents were delighted by him. They were both determined to be good parents and, from what I have seen and read, were instinctive and natural. The couple were well-supported by their respective extended families. Alfie was a happy smiling baby who seemed to be perfectly well.
4. The first indication that all might not be well occurred in July 2016 when Alfie was noted to have a ‘divergent squint’ for which a hospital referral was considered appropriate. He was seen again by his General Practitioner, at four months, for his first child development check. It is clear that M already had some concerns about her son’s general development. Alfie’s smile had become less frequent, he was sleeping to an extent that had begun to alarm her and quite commonly she had to wake him up. She was concerned too with Alfie’s lack of general interaction and disinclination to reach out for or play with his toys. I sense also that M considered that the squint was something rather more serious. She queried Alfie’s ability to see. It is apparent that concern was shared by others, the health visitor was troubled by Alfie’s lack of age-appropriate head control"

It seems very probable that Alfie would have been diagnosed with autism if he had not had the epilepsy and other problems.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf

nhokkanen

Expectedly, here's one obligatory media slam against "anti-vaxers" and praising NHS's "daily miracle" of "free treatment":
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/26/alfie-evans-parents-activists

The writer fails to distinguish between an altruistic desire to determine causality (and thus prevention) vs. selective opportunism by marginally related activist groups.

The reporter leverages her smugness behind a tiny human shield, much as the CDC does. She, too, is taking advantage of the publicity.

Morag

See A Framework for practice document called.
Making decisions to limit treatment in life-limiting and life-threatening conditions in children
abc.bmj.com/content by V Larcher 2015
In relation to circumstances in which treatment might be witheld or withdrawn states
It is ethically appropriate to withold withold or withdraw life saving treatment [subject to the above conditions] and to provide appropriate palliative treatments [including analgesia and sedation even if it is reasonably forseeable that the latter may hasten death, These steps are a desirable and acceptable part of contempory end of life care and do not constitute euthanasia .
Dr Harold Shipman got life in jail for that specific prescription pathway in 2000?

Liverpool care pathway banned or not banned?
Last Dr I asked to" Please explain to me the difference between a terminal illness and a terminal condition threw their hands aside shaking their head did not have a clue . and had never been taught how to leave their own personal opinions in the hospital carpark either a dangerous combination of training deficiencies indeed for us all !

Patricia

Alder Hey Hospital v Evans.
Https://www. Judiciary.gov.uk.2018/02

This is the transcript of the February court case with full chronological medical diagnosis from birth. Alder Hey is of course not a London Hospital, my mistake, but Liverpool. CIA the reason the Hospital did not agree to allowing Alfie to be transported to Italy or Germany was a decision made on compassionate grounds. Doctors believed a flight involving a tracheotomy beforehand would only increase the child’s suffering and distress and no treatment would have been in the plan, but only palliative care which they were providing.
Once again If there is difficulty with the above link please simply google it.

cia parker

Also, homeopathy can be successful in treating neurodegenerative disease. I'm not saying it would work in such an apparently severe case (but I know very little about Alfie's case), but it would certainly be relatively inexpensive and homeopathy often works miracles. It would be worth a try.

cia parker

Patricia,

I read the Guardian article, but it just said that it is the hospital's place to decide whether the patient lives or dies. It said: "But intensive care is only ever a temporary support for failing organs while a reversible pathology is treated. In Alfie’s case, multiple doctors from multiple countries have all agreed that his illness is irreversible, progressive and terminal. Withdrawal of care is therefore neither killing nor murder, but enables him to die with comfort and dignity."

In what cases is it appropriate to keep a terminally-ill cancer patient alive? Most people would say that even chemo and radiation treatment are worth it (I wouldn't), if it prolongs the patient's life by even a few months. The pathology is not reversible.

Again, I don't think the NHS is under any obligation to do anything further, but it shouldn't stand in the parents' way if they want to get another opinion, or take Alfie to Italy. It should not prevent the parents from giving him nourishment. Who has the right to say how much trouble equals how long a probable survival? You'd have to say only the parents. They are the only ones who love him. And you cannot see the way God sees. He sees the hearts of the parents and the child, their responses to each other and their love for one another. The state is now absolved of all further proactive action, but it may not say how much the child's life is worth now to others.

cia parker

Thank you, John. That's what I wanted to know. I noticed that one of his eyes was looking off in a different direction than the other, and had read about the misalignment of the eyes as being the result of vaccine aluminum in Forrest Maready's Crooked. Again, the parents say he was born normal, so I would agree that a vaccine injury, or more than one, is the most likely explanation.

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