Autism is on a dramatic rise. No controls were done for the combined vaccine MMR, which is the basis for all scientific work. This was revealed in the Congressional hearings regarding safety. The VAXXED documentary shows a Real scientist pursuing the truth he found in the data, and who was castigated and ridiculed for his work. Gatti's and Montinari's work does have a control; the one animal vaccine had no metal particulate matter. Their work needs to be pursued, and reproduced. True scientists should be doing this for the sake of understanding and vaccine safety.
With the seizing of Gatti's and Montinari's work we see a concerted effort to block scientific research that is detrimental to the pharmaceutical agenda. There are many scientists not controlled by the pharmaceutical companies that can and should pursue this study. They too will be attacked and ridiculed, but it is the only way to get the truth.

Rules of Engagement: (John please take note)

Mr. Chopin--I think there was a reasonable question first posed by you, "They couldn't have done anything wrong could they? (I mean apart from not using controls in their "nanocontamination" research)." OK, fair enough, lets ask Gati and Montanari. Is this something (lack of controls) you would have time to pursue in the interest of science and report back? Secondly, Grace Green made this point to you--"Fred, if they were in the wrong the evidence would speak for itself, so why would it need to be removed by the police?" Doesn't this seem extraordinarily odd to you that research would be seized?

Lastly, John Stone spoke to you with this comment, "Why are you so sensitive when you generally come on here to insult people yourself, and you of course are not the remotest bit concerned with the legion shortcomings of the official science." Yes, it appears you are not the remotest bit concerned with the legion of shortcomings with the official science and policies underpinning what is injected into children and adults?

There are some basic Rules of Engagement and above questions highlight what I believe you conveniently ignore. You are not alone. Mainstream media, the medical industrial complex conveniently ignore decades of inconvenient truths. Inconvenient truths that readers and commenters at AoA know all to well--painfully, depressingly well.

Mr. Chopin, these are Rules of Engagement at AoA that I am suggesting for you : Age of Autism is an upper level course in the 200-400+ university hierarchy of courses. There is vaccination 101 short course prerequisite you are required to take for your comments and questions to contribute to their ultimate benefit of AoA readers. At the World Mercury Project is a 7-part series that was written by Vera Sharav. This series is a glimpse into the "legions of scientific shortcomings, (that most open-minded scientists and average consumers would call fraud and scientific misconduct) that John Stone's comment posed to you.

Finally, perhaps I am just thin-skinned, but I find the pejorative term anti-vaccine hurtful, because many times its accompanied by anti-science, flat-earthers, tin-foil hat wears thrown at people like us to purposefully ridicule, demean, insult, dismiss, marginalize, humiliate, our AoA collective family experience. So yes, I cry from the hurt and this on-going catastrophe and my loved ones see the grief, pain and my righteous anger that the Fred Chopin' s cannot or will-not grasp; but our children see us in pain and possess enough empathy to feel the ridicule and hurt as well.

Mr. Chopin, I'm asking you to dig deeper, that's all.

@Whaleto

I do not think that except for alum and mercury heavy metals are found in any toxic quantities in vaccines, you will accumulate more from air or water over time.

I wonder if it was ever considered that you can become immune to other things that are in the vaccine, that could include DNA or human proteins.

The nanoparticles are not enough to cause toxicity but what they can to is to stimulate your immune system and cause other reactions. Perhaps they could cause your body to become sensitized against metals which are now to be found everywhere. The study mentions that metals could combine with proteins and cause autoimmune reactions. More likely than old-school toxicity and far more damaging.

@Frederic Chopin

interesting that you talk about the lack of controls. Guess what, vaccines do no have any proper controls when safety testing is done. See Gardasil.

Either an immune stimulating adjuvant is used or another vaccine. This is not water as a placebo.

When a study supports the safety of vaccines the lack of proper controls does not matter and it is science when a study shows the opposite the lack of controls makes it unscientific.

Elevated alum in the brains of autistic people is unscientific because no controls were used.
Gardasil is scientific because no proper controls were used.
Metal contamination in vaccines is not scientific because no controls were used.
A mercury placebo in a flu vaccine study is very $cientific because everyone knows mercury makes good placebo.

Like everyone you are biased and more interested in being right than being truthful, admit it or not. Who cares at this point.

http://whale.to/c/antonietta_m_gatti.html

this comment must have been a red flag and a half to them:

''Dr Gatti remarked on the researchers' finding that the animal vaccine (Feligen) was clean of any particulate matter, debris or other contaminants, saying, "It is evidently possible to produce a clean vaccine." ~ Robert F. Kennedy Jr

as it proves they aren't really 'contaminants', they are deliberate poisoning

''I admit I have been nervous about announcing this on FB, but it is time people speak the truth they know. It is time to #BeBrave . Here is my small personal anecdote: My son is unvaccinated and when he was 3 the doctor suggested a blood test to check for anemia, lead, toxic metals. Okay. She returned with the results in her hands, and the Pediatrician's face was ghost white. She looked like she might faint. I was terrified and rushed to her saying, "What's wrong with my son?". She fluttered her eyes and shut her gaping open mouth trying to compose herself and whispered, "Nothing. Nothing. There is nothing wrong with him. His test is clear. No lead, nothing. I have never seen this before. He is like a miracle." Her eyes were darting back and forth like she was afraid someone would hear her and like she really wished she could talk to me further about this privately, but we were in a hallway. Whew. I couldn't leave fast enough because my heart was racing. My last visit a different pediatrician was there and he also referred to my son as "the miracle child". It disturbs me. He is no miracle... well no more miracle than any other child of God would be. In fact he has the MTHFR gene, so cannot detoxify as easily as other children that do not have that gene. He is just a child raised on organic foods and not vaccinated. Vaccines contain many heavy toxic metals is the bottomline. That pediatrician got a glimpse of seeing the truth in the light of day, and it upset her very much. I could see her mind questioning everything she had learned. It is just easier to call my unvaccinated son a "miracle" then to admit Vaccines are poisoning our children's blood.'' #Vaxxed #Science #Truth #PrayBig #WeAreVaxxed

And mercury and aluminium are still in all vaccines http://whale.to/m/quotes13.html

That's not unbelievable as vaccination has been long proven 100% ineffective, it's the wrong/false germ theory for one, Virology is the racket that created vaccination http://whale.to/c/disease_theory_summary.html

that runs the viral fear racket http://whale.to/a/infectious_scares.html

and it's only designed purpose is to create disease, human vivisection essentially, to feed off, eg $10 in antibiotic sales to treat vaccine induced ear infections http://whale.to/vaccine/otitis.html

For god knows how many decades, producing then, antibiotic fallout like asthma http://whale.to/drugs/antibiotics.html

while suppressing the harmless cures, eg vit c http://whale.to/a/vit_c_cons.html

and then they proved they made no difference and were advising not to use them http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/22/dont-prescribe-antibiotics-common-ear-infections-doctors-told/

Fred. I endorse everything that no-vac says about our anger at pharma mafias and corrupt politicians.

I would just add that you probably have no idea of the complete and utter CONTEMPT we feel about you and other pro-pharma trolls. Insulting, yes, but nevertheless it is very real and it drives us to fight back even harder.

The only evidence to exonerate these scientists was just seized.... how convenient!

Nothing more important to the New World Order than to remove all the weapons and then go "door to door" injecting whatever they want into whoever they want.

Fred

Why are you so sensitive when you generally come on here to insult people yourself, and you of course are not the remotest bit concerned with the legion shortcomings of the official science.

No-vac,

There's no reason to be insulting. When you're looking for single molecules with electron microscopy and claiming vaccines are contaminated you have to show SOMETHING that isn't. Like some other injectable - sterile water maybe, normal saline, whatever. The fact that they purposefully DIDN'T suggests they thought vaccines would be as clean or cleaner.

Hans,

Global Slow Kill? Even among this crowd you seem to stand out as one of the more extreme AVs.

Good God it's almost as shocking as the Harvard freezer research cache being destroyed! Yes, sadly these researchers will now be Arkansided.

Freddie,
Are you really as monstrously stupid as you present yourself here? The "control" to vaccine contaminations is no contaminants. Period. It is expected that vaccines are free of metallic and other contaminants. If you find them there it means that the manufacturers either intentionally added them, or are using industrial waste water for vaccine production. Both versions are criminal. It is obvious from your comments that you have no faintest idea about science. Yes, ask your pharma handlers what the contaminants on vaccines really mean.

Posted by: Frederic Chopin | February 23, 2018 at 09:25 AM

I will tell you what its all about Freddie.
Global Slow Kill are having a lot more trouble in Italy than they ever expected.
Why don't you call up your handler at GSK and ask him ?

And these planned Gatti presentations would help overturn the mandatory vaccine laws (5 star).
I bet that is what this is all about (yes speculation on my part).

They couldn't have done anything wrong could they? (I mean apart from not using controls in their "nanocontamination" research)

Unbelievable! I can't even add a comment as I am speechless!

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/gatineau-woman-succumbs-to-flu-after-going-to-4-different-hospitals-1.3815090

Gatineau woman succumbs to flu after going to 4 different hospitals

Cynthia Thibaudeau had received the flu vaccine and was a healthy young woman, studying social work. Her boys are 5 and 6.

“They took it hard,” says their father, “They are strong they are young and will have great memories of their mother.”

I hear Berlusconi is back soon. Italy is a political mess and corruption flourishes. What's new....

What is next ?
Internment without trial.
Forced vaccination , physically restrained.

This is definitely 1939-45 all over again.