"I was agreeing with you and enjoying the absurdity, because if I don't laugh then I'll cry. It is so beyond ridiculous. All these people and their policies are completely FOS. If there is to be no freedom of conscience and religion in educational institutions (where the children and young adults are), then this whole exercise is just another dog and pony show."

Well, okay then. I was wondering there for a moment.

Frankly, I think this whole HHS issue is going to be yet one of those dangling carrots they put in front of us, making us believe that they care and that they have remedies to 'fix' some of this absurdity, but the reality is it's just going to be another dog and pony show...nothing to see here.

I will say this: Please - to those of you who are writing about this new HHS issue (and not necessarily over on this blog), please make sure before you wrote some of your articles that you've actually read the statutes and don't unintentionally misguide your faithful readers into believing that this new HHS deal is going to be some sort of remedy for (as an example) our kids here in CA.

I have been reading, with sinking heart, many comments from parents who are now under the mistaken belief that they can now write to this new division with HHS and seem remedy re SB277 issues here in CA.

Even still, for those who may be able to seek remedy via this new division, you still have to file a complaint, someone within this division has to read and JUDGE that complaint and the end result may not be the desired outcome for whom that complaint was filed.

Actually, the more I think about this new HHS issue, the more heated I get because I can feel that it's just going to be another red herring.

It's infuriating.

"Not sure what your reply means, actually?"

I was agreeing with you and enjoying the absurdity, because if I don't laugh then I'll cry. It is so beyond ridiculous. All these people and their policies are completely FOS. If there is to be no freedom of conscience and religion in educational institutions (where the children and young adults are), then this whole exercise is just another dog and pony show.

Ha ha, Bayareamom,

Because there is to be no guarantee of freedom of conscience or religion in American educational institutions?

Imagine what George Carlin would have done with that policy?
Beyond ludicrous.

Thanks John,very good ,and they all look perfectly normal as well. Difficult to work out from this presentation, who is away with the faries, Iolanthe fashion . We are still very fortunate to have them ,good bad, and indifferent to support, advise, and warn about this that and the next thing .
No issues with LGBT people at all. either . Peoples sexuality is only a small part of who they are as a whole human being . Children ,animals, and vulnerable people need safeguarding from any type of sexual predators behaviour that has crossed the clear limits and boundaries lines into forensic abuse .
If the church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn and any other type of pastoral /non pastoral paed-ophiphile .paedos, think its ok for paedos as long as they are not practising paedos ? Oh help! Don't shout Help! Shout Fire!
Invisible predators are getting their cap badges itentified along with their back bumper registration numbers . their bolt holes of hiding places are blocked off . spot checks are undrerway .
See Scottish Police sense of humor youtube Alcohol breathalysers sketch

Hi Morag

Yes, Iolanthe still rings pretty true 135 years on, although some of the constitutional arrangements may have changed - their lordships are of course all obsessessed with under-age girls.

You may like the version on you tube of the March of the Peers as interpreted by the Southampton Opera Society. It is remarkable how skilful many of these amateur productions are.

John

Vaccine advocate threatens mass murder "suicide mission" shooting at public autism event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ZZ0pnrI7k

Where the HELL are the police?

The ONLY protection the "minority" has to protect themselves from the medical tyranny of government public health bureaucracies ... is INFORMED CONSENT .. that was an outgrowth of the Nuremburg Trials exposure of the horrors of Hitler's Holocaust.

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From what I've read, the other significant outcome of the Nunemburg trials, was 19 convictions of the 22 defendants who were on trial. Twelve received the death penalty, three received sentences of life imprisonment, and the remaining four convictions resulted in sentences of 10 to 20 years.

In my opinion,vaccine injury is no less horrific. On some levels, I would even argue that it's more horrific. Since the majority of the targeted victims have been toddlers and infants!

An honest, properly functioning judicial system is another protection that appears to have gone missing. A protection that should have long ago recognized, and put a stop to this insanity.

Hi John
US readers might be interested in the Melinda Messenger HPV vaccine controversy, for which both Melinda and The Mail got vilified. Yes, the dreaded Doc Grimes got to put in his patronising tuppence worth, predictably spouting dodgy statistics and bringing up yet again the 18 year old Wakefield MMR vaccine controversy-which had NOTHING TO DO with Melinda's decision to refuse the HPV vaccine for her daughter. However, Melinda stood her ground and the comments below the second Mail article are mostly fully supportive of Melinda's decision. Some persons reported their daughters reacted badly to the vaccine. Of course in the UK young persons over the age of 12 can consent themselves. There's huge peer and other pressures piled on in schools where the vaccine is administered. Children are told the vaccine will prevent cancer. As yet there's NO PROOF of this, although some disturbing evidence is emerging some cancer causing HPV strains not included in the vaccine are now taking over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3984248/Melinda-Messenger-stopped-little-girl-having-cervical-cancer-jab.html
From above:-
"Why I stopped my little girl from having the cervical cancer jab" : TV presenter Melinda Messenger is one of a number of mothers worried about the possible side effects of the HPV vaccination
By Melissa Messenger For The Daily Mail
PUBLISHED: 23:47, 29 November 2016 | UPDATED: 19:14, 1 December 2016

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4032602/Furious-Dr-Chris-SLAMS-Melinda-Messenger-HPV-vaccine.html
From above:-
"Row erupts on This Morning sofas as Melinda Messenger is accused of scare-mongering over her decision NOT to give her teenage daughter the HPV vaccine."

"A spokesperson for Public Health England said: 'The HPV vaccine is the most effective way for young girls and women to protect themselves against cervical cancer - the most common cancer among women under the age of 35.
'The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency is clear that the evidence does not support a link between HPV vaccination and any of the chronic illnesses it is being linked to.
'We would strongly urge any eligible teenagers, aged 12 to 13, not to be deterred from getting vaccinated at the right time because of any misleading information – delaying the vaccination reduces the protection given.
'This very effective vaccine could save their lives."

@ jenny & John

I am re-reading "Mad In America .. bad science, bad medicine and the enduring mistreatment of the mentally ill" .. by Robert Whitaker .. which offers a frightening historical review of treating mental illness in the United States .. explaining in vivid language the often inhuman "treatments" (shackled to beds in total isolation, immersion in icy cold baths for days on end, electric shock, lobotomy) .. routinely sanctioned and widely practiced in asylums throughout the 1800-1900's.

Most of these inhumane "treatments" were proclaimed great success by psychiatry's leading voices. Unfortunately .. "success" was measured by these witchdoctors by rendering their "patients" totally incapacitated .. making them easier to control ..

There is much to learn from the sordid history of "treating mental illness" .. because .. there are many eerily similar conditions regarding the increasing government mandates to "vaccinate" everyone from cradle to grave .. using the same "scientific" reasoning .. better known as "eugenics" .. where the government recommends, approves and mandates .. vaccines .. for the "benefit of the herd" .. (majority) .. at the known RISKS .. including death and life-long disorders .. to the smaller minority.

The ONLY protection the "minority" has to protect themselves from the medical tyranny of government public health bureaucracies ... is INFORMED CONSENT .. that was an outgrowth of the Nuremburg Trials exposure of the horrors of Hitler's Holocaust.

@Morag
For those US folks who have never heard of this wonderful UK method of getting rid of demented old folks taking up beds in NHS hospitals, the Liverpool Care Pathway, ( called the Liverpool DEATH Pathway by 'survivors 'and victims' relatives), meant withdrawal of ALL food and drinks and administering strong sedatives to prevent the patient from complaining. The lucky ones died quick, but some lingered for weeks. This was supposed to 'ease the passing' of terminally ill patients, but scandalously could be administered by just about any nurse or doctor in a hospital, without proper investigation or supervision. Relatives were never informed this was happening and following the deaths of patients, were told their relatives had consented to be 'killed' -some say 'murdered' -by the NHS.

A few 'Whistleblowing' nurses and doctors predictably got disciplined or lost their jobs. It was left to a member of the public, visiting her Mum in a Staffordshire hospital to expose the conditions in our hospitals, likened to 'bedlam' with elderly patients screaming and drinking the water out of flower vases. The NHS predictably went into cover up and damage limitation mode, but it was too late to prevent huge widespread public outrage. The Liverpool 'Care' pathway was eventually banned by the Government Health Minister, although like Morag, I suspect such things are still happening in our hospitals.

That horrific scandal was exposed by both the National and local press and media. I only wish newspaper editors could be brave enough to at least publish both sides of the vaccine debate. At the moment the Daily Mail is the only newspaper prepared to expose scandals involving public figures and corporations, but this press outlet still needs pharma advertising to remain profitable.

The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster [FSM] is apparently legally recognised as a religion in some countries. Darwin called it "Natural selection" Herbert Spencer 1820- 1903 daddy of the mechanical term "Survival of the fittest "from book. Principles of biology [1864]
Eugenics coined by Francis Galton 1883 -half cousin of Charles Darwin .
Euthanasia being one of the appendiges of eugenics . Progressive medical eugenics ."A new era of eugenics different from Nazi eugenics /euthanasia indicating current "Abuse of Power " forced vaccination conscription with failure of basic health and safety of product and VAERS reporting system not fit for purpose . Available to read at BBC Ethics Euthanasia and physician assisted suicide explains different types and forms of euthanasia . current mandates and consent abuses of forced consumer consumption through market driven ideology .survival of the fittest "new model"
The word" murd'rr" Herbert Spencer style "Getting Herbied tae death" using a butterfly syringe to administer a morphine cocktail using a sage pump delivery system . Same consent chaos with doctors still using banned Liverpool Care pathway without consent ?

Why do they need complaints filed to a special department? Did they lose all the thousands of complaints filed with the government so far? Do they lack internet access to see the first hand testimonies of thousands of people and online state congressional hearings on religious exemption to vaccination? They can't see the online SB277 hearings where thousands of Californians showed up to object? They need it spelled out for them AGAIN? SEPARATELY?

How about the CDC whistle blowers that came forward years ago claiming that the CDC was committing fraud in the vaccine program? What did they do about that? How about the researchers that found glyphosate and nonbiologically compatible contaminants in all human vaccines tested? How about that they aggressively market a flu vaccine that is not only not effective, but leads to more severe illness and is completely experimental in that researchers admit that long term studies are needed to find out what the long term effects are of yearly flu vaccination - while they push the vaccine in pregnancy and starting at 6 months of age?

This is just more BS to add to the giant stinking pile.

This is a copy of my complaint. It is imperative that as many similar complaints as possible be sent to the OCR:

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services

Office for Civil Rights – Division of Conscience & Religious Freedom

ocrmail@hhs.gov

Complaint filed by Kenneth Stoller, MD

Work: 415 563-3800

1545 Broadway suite 1-A

San Francisco CA 94109

RE: Religion/Conscience discrimination

In 2015, a law was enacted in the State of California that eliminated Personal Belief Exemptions for vaccines and anyone with a religious objection was affected as well as that was the only option those with religious objections to vaccine could utilize.

So, as on 1/1/2016, child with a religious objection to vaccines were denied access to a public education, which may be in conflict with the constitutional but that is a separate issue.

The reason this complaint is being filed with DHHS and not the Department of Education is that it is DHHS that approves and recommends vaccines in the first place and it would be logical for DHHS to let the states know they can’t discriminate against those that don’t want an intervention DHHS is recommending if they find it morally or religiously objectionable.

There are those that find having biologics injected into human bodies that were created from and contain remnants thereof of aborted human fetal cell (lines) to be a violation of their religious beliefs, and should not be discriminated against by not being allowed access to a public education because of that objection. Most vaccines have the MRC-5 cell line - some have RA 27/3 and WI-38 cell line as well.

Now, this is not exclusively about any particular religion or belief system but this link: http://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm … takes you to position paper written by the Pontifical Academy for Life (PONTIFICIA ACADEMIA PRO VITA) in 2005 on this issue. With the exception of the vaccine for German measles, the position of the Vatican on this issue is for parents to object to vaccines that have these aborted fetal cells and that parents should not be coerced to act against their conscience. And that everything possible should be done to create vaccines that do not have these moral issues.

Well, coercion is what is taking place in California, because children can’t enroll in school without these vaccines unless they have a medical exemption, which is not an option for everyone with objections of conscience or religion. Nor are there alternative vaccines that do not have these moral objections. While outside of the scope of this complaint, the elimination of the Personal Belief Exemption in California also eliminated informed consent if for no other reason you can’t have informed consent while there is coercion.

Therefore, I am asking the OCR, at the very least, issue a policy statement (even if it can’t override state laws), that admonishes States to honor the conscientious or religious objections families may have to vaccines that are derived from and may contain contaminants from aborted fetal cell lines, and not discriminate against them in any way.

Thank you for your consideration

Nice one! Let the complaining begin...pharma trolls need not bother!

Pharma For Prison

MMR RIP

"HHS establishes a new Conscience and Religious Freedom (CRF) Division within its Office for Civil Rights (OCR) specializing in enforcement of and compliance with laws that protect conscience and the free exercise of religion, and that prohibit coercion and religious discrimination."

The pharma/public health bureaucracies/bought and paid for politicians of the SWAMP .. cannot be happy about the new HHS Conscience and Religious Freedom Division within it's office for Civil Rights!

LET THE DRAINING BEGIN!!!!

This is a good idea, though certainly there are many whose moral sense and conscience have been violated through vaccination for reasons other than the presence of fetal tissue in some of the vaccines.

This is a very important step forward. Anyone in CA, NY, WV, MS or the military who was denied and education for their religious beliefs about vaccines need to file complaints. Likewise anyone who has been kicked out of a medical practice for their religious beliefs about vaccines.