New Name for a Nasty Game
By Kim Rossi (formerly Stagliano, but that's another book altogether.)
While the nation was descending into darkness, both partial and full on Monday, courtesy of the solar eclipse, I noticed a lot of Tweets and FB posts laughing about "FlatEarthers." Though I'm somewhat isolated in my autism Mom summertime and the living is hectic when is school starting where did Age of Autism go oh my gosh we need to fix that glitch Kim it's time to feed the AofA content monster again and again and again and hey is that laundry life..... I do know that the FlatEarthers are proclaiming the earth is not a sphere and acting as if it's 1491 and no one at all should have any fun.
I am not a FlatEarther (insert sophomoric bra joke here.)
But the phrase got me to thinking about the recent political and social upheaval in our country. I am shocked by the complete and utter indifference to the sick kids, scorn, and active hatred and even calls to violence against those of us in the vaccine safety and choice community. We've had medical doctors cry out to have our children taken from us. I've seen calls to harm us, kill us because a healthy, happy yet unvaccinated child is a perceived medical time bomb threat.
The same Americans marching against hatred, bigotry and 'isms of every sort, are often the exact same people marching FOR hatred and bigotry toward us. And now, I shall name them.....
Kim Rossi is Managing Editor for Age of Autism.
John: I fully agree. The President's family should always be off limits, especially the children.
Posted by: Gary Ogden | August 26, 2017 at 06:03 PM
I, personally, don't think we need to say more about Barron Trump.
Posted by: John Stone | August 26, 2017 at 01:05 PM
I know you don't mean it this way, but it is gossip - gossip about a child - in a public forum. It's not that it's too sensitive or taboo. It's that it is not the right thing to do. Decent people (I know you are decent - you are making a mistake in this one instance) don't flap their mouths about other people's kids like that. What if it was your kid we decided to target as the topic of online conversation? We wouldn't do it and you wouldn't like it. The president's child should get the same consideration.
Posted by: Linda1 | August 26, 2017 at 12:25 PM
"Observing Barron and seeing that he has traits consistent with a child on the the spectrum, and considering whether he is indeed autistic is not bullying him or invading his privacy."
Observing and considering is one thing. Publishing those observations and speculation on Age of Autism or anywhere else is indeed bullying, invading his privacy and worse. The mission of this blog is to report and support, not out.
Although many choose to, no one is expected to hold up their child as an example. No one is mandated to publicly testify. The president's family should not be subject to the abuse you propose. They do not owe the American people any more than what they are already giving.
Your obsessive public scrutiny of an innocent 11 year boy is hurtful and grossly inappropriate, and I really hope that you stop.
Posted by: Linda1 | August 26, 2017 at 08:43 AM
I've just read this discussion on whether or not a certain child may be autistic, and whether we should talk about it , so here are my thoughts. If a person can speak for themselves then it's for them to decide whether they want to be open about their medical condition. If they can't speak then their parents/carers have to make that decision. Some of us believe that we may not be far off the situation of disabled people again being carted off and gassed. I'm sorry to be alarming but we need to be prepared for the worst. I'm willing to say I'm autistic, or "brain poisoned", and take the consequences, but I wouldn't out anyone else.
Posted by: Grace Green | August 26, 2017 at 07:09 AM
Linda, this is my last comment on the matter, so let me say this:
Joking that Barron will be the nation's first homeschool shooter is bullying him. Trying to locate Barron's cell number is breaching his privacy. Observing Barron and seeing that he has traits consistent with a child on the the spectrum, and considering whether he is indeed autistic is not bullying him or invading his privacy.
I will also add, we, 'antivaxxers', scream how tragic the cover-up is that no one wants to talk about autism. We argue no one seems to be bothered why every second kid on a street is now autistic. Nor are they concerned about the missing horde of autistic adults. We hear about sensitive-Santas, sensory friendly movie screenings, or autism friendly restaurants, and no one bats an eye why all of a sudden things are so.
Linda, now we have our biggest 'ally' as President, and who in the past has voiced his objection to the 'horse-load' of vaccines that kids are getting. He also expressed witnessing a child disappearing into autism in front of his eyes. He said all those things, and now with his son appearing to be on the spectrum, we are expected to keep mum about this, treating the matter as too 'sensitive', taboo if you will?!
Linda, I ask, does this instance not show that to a certain extent even we are prepared to turn a blind-eye to autism, and even if the suggestion is we are doing so for a 'good' reason? Linda, I consider we are in such a serious mess with autism because for far too long people have been 'shutting' up about the crisis, and now, apparently, even us.
Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2017 at 08:24 PM
Nobody is ever going to say that we are not trying. I mean trying to expose the general population to our plight. I should be over it by now. My son died in 2010. So, should I be over it? I am over his death. I didn't even have a whole lot of sorrow left to mourn. What people have to realize, I am not getting over it soon. I am still working to get rid of things that we accumulated over the last 37 years. This accumulation is a sign of how much time has elapsed during which I have not been able to do my house keeping. There are still signs left of things I should have thrown away a long time ago. Our neighbors from long ago are long gone. They have died. We are now in an expensive neighborhood where people ask about who your gardener is and why you are not getting rid of a car that had been stolen and then cannibalized and then had accumulated 7 parking tickets while stolen because the parking ticket company doesn't communicate with the San Francisco Police Department, and I have to write 15 letters to make sure those officials can understand that this car was stolen and it has to be moved. All those things are comparatively easy when thinking about what I had to deal with including one dispatcher who asked me why I was not getting a vet when I called about my kid having cut his forehead because he had fallen.
These marchers apparently have their own problems. Their main problem may just be that they have not really had it hard. They are shouting about monuments and about race and about something to be angry about. I hope nobody ever has to deal with an autistic child. I hope they stay naive. That's why getting rid of autism matters to me. I would like the protesters to light torches for my dead son. If they start doing that, they will have learned something about what is important in America.
Posted by: Birgit Calhoun | August 25, 2017 at 04:52 PM
"...I do agree that Barron deserves privacy.and should not be bullied,"
Then shut up.
Posted by: Linda1 | August 25, 2017 at 08:06 AM
You do realise by providing excuses why Barron might not be autistic, you're doing the same thing that you're accusing me of -- providing an 'armchair diagnosis'? And, I would say the same applies to everyone who don't know the full story but will suggest that Barron is just a 'normal kid', or argue that he is some kind of 'fashion icon', going by his 'cool' t-shirts.
I suppose this all begs a bigger question: Why is it 'appropriate' to form some opinions and offer some armchair diagnosis, but not others? In the same strain, I could ask, is it ever healthy to relegate honest opinions and observations as taboos that are to be squashed?
I don't expect you to answer these questions. I suppose at this point we will have to agree to disagree.
Posted by: Greg | August 25, 2017 at 06:51 AM
I believe Barron is actually 11. I will repeat. People often expect above maturity for large children. When it was 2-3 a.m. on election night the poor child was sleepy and likely having Hypnic jerks. Seriously, stop the diagnoses. I'm sure the Trimps will speak out on it if and when it is appropriate. Your arm chair diagnostics (and anyone's) is not appropriate imho.
Posted by: for Greg | August 24, 2017 at 07:00 PM
The same Americans marching against hatred, bigotry and 'isms of every sort, are often the exact same people marching FOR hatred and bigotry toward us. And now, I shall name them..... FlatVaxxers
I prefer to call call them morons.
Too dumb to understand that by denying what vaccines did to our children, only guarantees that it will eventually happen to one of their their children, or grandchildren.
Posted by: Barry | August 24, 2017 at 01:02 AM
The very people that are calling others flat earthers, are flat earthers.
Such confusing times.
Only, I am not confused; about some things.
About the things I know; it is amazing to me how so many people that think they got it right are so very wrong.
I wonder if when they find out they are wrong, will it humble them? Amaze them? Make them angry they have been lied too?
Over the years, I learned to hate a liar most of all, they are on my special pedestal of hate.
Posted by: Benedetta | August 23, 2017 at 11:51 PM
For Greg, I think it's troubling that we scream bullocks at the other side when they argue that autism isn't rising, and we are now just diagnosing shy and introverted kids as autistic, and for you to now argue that Barron may just be introverted and not autistic. For me, everything I have seen of Barron so far indicates that he is on the spectrum. I don't say this with a 100% certainty, just with.a great deal of confidence.
And, while I do agree that Barron deserves privacy.and should not be bullied, I also.feel passing him off as something that he is not is equally bad. If Barron is autistic, out of respect to him and the American people, the Trump's should be upfront about this. And, as Gayle mentioned, it would go along way in bringing attention to the condition, and possibly helping the countless other affected families around the world.
I might also add, last Autism Awareness Day, this was Trump's pledge to such families. I would say if Barron is autistic and the Trump's choose to hide this, then it would be an ultimate betrayal of his message. Worst still, I would say it would put Trump in the same boat as the rest of the 'deniers', also complicit.
Again, it's up to the Trump's to either confirm, or squash the speculations. Keeping things hidden in the dark is helping no one.
Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2017 at 10:33 PM
What we presently have left in the United States is almost complete economic fascism. The press is bought out, both parties are also bought out by the drug lords, and it would be dangerous for the President to state what he really wants to do with the Vaccine / Autism issue.
At present they are trying to find a way to save American healthcare and still maintain the proper funding for all the health billionaires.
Just think if 70 years ago they refused to take thalidimide off the market and decided to “search for the thalidimide gene” to figure out why those “darn deformed children” cannot handle a useful drug during pregnancy.
They would be calling the “anti-thalidimide” people “flat earthers.”
Such is the present state of the Autism epidemic.
Posted by: go Trump | August 23, 2017 at 09:39 PM
Flatvaxxers is nice.
I also like vexervaxxers (as in vexatious) and zombievaxxers.
Posted by: greyone | August 23, 2017 at 08:47 PM
Sorry, meant that Youtube IS actively censoring speech that doesn't meet its ideological requirements.
Posted by: cia parker | August 23, 2017 at 05:19 PM
Kim but they mean well,what with all the Labels it projects unjustified name calling and that is usually as far as the Flatvaxxers subject matter goes. Only the label and never open to scrutiny or comment -but they mean well! They are saving the planet from our healthy unvaccinated kids - but shhh! They mean well! Save Barron from his terrible insane father - but they mean well! Save all of us from the founder father statue`s by removing them - shh!(Napolean to follow) They mean well! They won`t look to hard no background evidence further than CNN Fake News but don’t say a word - no shhh! They really do mean well!..
Pharma for Prison
Posted by: Angus Files | August 23, 2017 at 04:52 PM
Flatvaxxers! I love it! Has a nice ring to it, just like like Kim Rossi!
Thank you so very much for all you do!!!
Posted by: annie | August 23, 2017 at 03:31 PM
Yes, Kim, amd it's pure strategy. Look at the tshirt that says "science is real...no human is illegal..."we are being told what to think.
Greg, I really think you are making too much of Barron. He is like, 12 but big. People always expect more of tall children. He may very well be introverted but he isn't necessarily autistic. His tee shirt having all this meaning? Good grief!
Posted by: for Greg | August 23, 2017 at 03:26 PM
The left is playing VERY nasty games on many fronts, trying to force the acceptance of its monolithic ideology on everyone. In this case, the ideology of vaccines being safe and effective, and necessary to prevent large numbers of children from being killed or disabled by vaccine-preventable diseases. Mostly lies with a kernel of truth to blandish in emotional blackmail. I just listened to an interview of Tucker Carlson of Robert Spencer. Pay Pal, at the aegis of the Southern Law Poverty Center, had refused to permit several groups critical of Islamic terrorism to use Pay Pal to garner donations, saying that Jihad Watch and several other groups were hate groups which it refused to do business with. Due to the many letters of protest it received, Pay Pal has rescinded its decision to throw out Spencer. Not one single piece of evidence was produced to justify its contention that Jihad Watch was a hate group. It's not. It's against people being killed by this religious ideology. But they're manipulating the public with dishonest memes featuring partial truths that sound good. You're against saving children from dying horribly of measles? Against telling people why the jihadi kill because it might make people turn against their widely-held ideology? YouTube is not actively censoring videos which fail to hold up the desired ideology on many subjects. I don't know how much longer our constitutional right to free speech is going to protect us. They may well make it a crime to criticize vaccines or jihad.
Posted by: cia parker | August 23, 2017 at 03:26 PM
Greg-you are right about Barron Trump with his blank stares, fidgeting, wobbly walking, not ever saying anything on camera. All signs that point to the distinct possibility that he is on the autism spectrum, but the president and his wife are trying very hard to keep the fact under wraps and hidden from the public. I wish they would just be honest if this is the case as it would be a great help to all of us who have children with autism and maybe even lead to more important scientific research for a cure.
Posted by: Gayle | August 23, 2017 at 02:50 PM
Good one, Kim, except they already have a name: Antifa terrorists.
They also want to destroy the entire country for electing Trump.
Posted by: Jake Crosby | August 23, 2017 at 02:04 PM
Flatvaxxers kind of fits...if everyone doesn't do everything our wise CDC says we should we'll all fall off the edge...or we'll be back in the dark ages as far as disease goes with the pox and iron lungs everywhere...there's this sort of oversimplification of things in the fearful direction, I guess...
as now I keep hearing that the "dark ages" weren't really so dark...or there were maybe politically-founded reasons for naming that age the "dark ages"...
and it apparently wasn't like everyone actually believed the earth was flat before Columbus sailed whatever year he actually first sailed (even though from what I was taught I got that idea for some time, too)...
Posted by: Jeannette Bishop | August 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM
Flatvaxxers. I kind of like that.
I took an honest look at my extended family this summer on a trip and came to realize they're all Flatvaxxers. Otherwise smart, compassionate people but washed in blood flatvaxxers. It makes me feel alone some days but I stick with my convictions because I know what I saw with my own two eyes - a boy dramatically stopped talking and became catatonic immediately following the mmr vaccine. The Emperor wears no clothes, well said.
Thank goodness school starts today, geez I need a break. hooray !
Come noon I'll be breaking out my tin foil hat and organic wine.
Posted by: kws | August 23, 2017 at 10:38 AM
And speaking of which, have you guys been paying attention to the brouhaha unfolding after a media source criticised Barron Trump's casual attire, as he appears in Whitehouse photos. Everyone is rushing to his defence, railing, let the kid be, including Chelsea Clinton.
Funny, I found it suspicious that we would go months without a Barron sighting, and then he would show up wearing a 'cool' t-shirt, and that would be all that's talked about. Not much attention would be paid to those blank stares, the fidgeting, the wobbly walking, or the fact that the kid has never been caught on camera muttering a word. The autism angle is now getting conveniently buried.
Sharing my suspicion, I was relieved to run across a lone opinion piece that broke from the 'leave Barron alone' narrative, by peering deeper into the attire thing. The writer argues:
I think with everything that's going on with the media lately, and especially as it relates to a Tump's Presidency, we're definitely witnessing a Truman Show. Everything is staged.
I would also add that where Barron attire is concerned, this falsity clearly exposes the hypocrisy with society's autism acceptance message. If we must hide the First-son's autism under 'cool' t-shirts, it shows what we really feel about autism and whether it should be accepted.
Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2017 at 10:15 AM
But very far from new - the old ad hominem game of social intimidation before evidence, notably deployed as I recall by followers of James Randi. Basically, it is telling citizens that if you belong to the group of people who believe x you will appear foolish. Again, this is very similar to the strategy employed in the story of the Emperor's new clothes. When Danny Kaye explains the story to young children in the film Hans Christian Anderson he constantly re-iterates that everyone swore that the king wore clothes "in order not to appear a fool". Back in 2004 (Feb 23), the day after the Sunday Times launched its first attack on the reputation of Andrew Wakefield its sister newspaper The Times (of London) published an editorial piece by one Tim Hames: 'Elvis lives, MI5 murdered Diana, MMR is dangerous'. Hames was playing exactly the same strategy as "the swindlers" in the Hans Anderson tale. And, of course, the Hans Anderson tale is a warning against anyone doing this: it is a scoundrel tactic. The Emperor wears no clothes. We all know that.
Posted by: John Stone | August 23, 2017 at 09:16 AM
i never ceases to astound me that people don't see the fascism/totalitarianism in mandatory vaccination.
i am very depressed just now after reading that manvax was pushed through in the german parliament, in the middle of the night, with few people around. i wonder why.
i thought we'd learned a few things but then again, science is noble, ain't it? and has nothing to do with holocausts.
Posted by: sabelmouse | August 23, 2017 at 08:16 AM
Kim: A portion of the check we send to the Infernal Revenue Service each April is designated for the vast CDC/pharma propaganda machine which is the source of this hatred and belittlement. They can't buy compliance, but viciousness is easy to market, for the right price. Great label for these cowards. Quackvaxxers would work, too.
Posted by: Gary Ogden | August 23, 2017 at 08:16 AM
You are so right about your stream of consciousness post, Kim. That is how I think most, if not all parents of children with autism feel, minus the AOA disappearance, but with some other minor crisis inserted into that spot: "...isolated in my autism Mom summertime and the living is hectic when is school starting where did Age of Autism go oh my gosh we need to fix that glitch Kim it's time to feed the AofA content monster again and again and again and hey is that laundry life....."
There is, however, something nice that happened in Connecticut, recently, in the way of a legal decision. The State of Connecticut's Supreme Court decided that unvaccinated children of parents against vaccination could not be vaccinated against the wishes of their parents while in state custody by a child welfare agency:
This was a 7-0 decision in favor of parental rights, and it reversed the decision of the lower court.
Unfortunately, however, DCF is planning to amend the state law so they will be able to vaccinate children held by the state.
Posted by: Someone | August 23, 2017 at 07:21 AM
"I am shocked by the complete and utter indifference to the sick kids, scorn, and active hatred and even calls to violence against those of us in the vaccine safety and choice community. We've had medical doctors cry out to have our children taken from us. I've seen calls to harm us, kill us because a healthy, happy yet unvaccinated child is a perceived medical time bomb threat."
Kim, we ought not be shocked that our community has been targeted by a well-paid, political and mass media industry .. comprised of well-trained .. professional "smear merchants" ... that Sharyl Attkisson describes in her most recent book ... "The Smear" .. how shady political operatives and fake news control what you see, what you think, how you vote"
These "smear merchants" have created an entire industry who are paid MILLIONS of dollars to troll social media, monitor media broadcasts, news and magazine articles .. capable of launching an immediate attack by thousands of non-existent persons ... to smear their "target' .. which is selected by those powerful vested interests .. operating as did the Mafia's Godfather .. to them means .. destroying someone's reputation, career, TRUTH .. "is not personal, it's business".
The "smear merchants" are used by everyone .. politicians, industries, academia, professional organizations, on and on .. and .. their abilities to launch massive cyber attacks using fictitious names and accounts ... grows daily.
Posted by: bob moffit | August 23, 2017 at 06:37 AM