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I-wake-up-screaming-tBy Anne Dachel

I'm sure this Pew Research poll will be talked about EVERYWHERE in the mainstream news.

COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE: The focus is on the MMR vaccine. (Could this be because of Dr. Wakefield's work?) The ordinary reader may not have concerns about mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, aborted fetal cells and a dramatically increased vaccine schedule. Let's just pretend that parents only worry about the MMR.

Second, notice the references (in almost every story I looked at) showing that "wealthier Americans with a knowledge of science" were MORE likely to support the mandate for the MMR vaccine. (This may be carefully constructed to possibly to counter the reports that parents who were highly educated in the most affluent neighborhoods were the most likely to question vaccines.)

I've watched things like this for years. With the promise of a federal panel to look into how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention does business, it's time to flood Google News with reports of public trust and support for the current vaccine schedule.

There are a lot of people out there who are terrified of an investigation into our vaccine program. (Example: I recently wrote about David Amaral at MIND Institute-UC Davis who says he's worried about anyone looking into vaccine safety. Incredibly, there is absolutely no worry from Amaral about two percent of our children with autism.)

Notice these stories telling us there's nothing to look at.

Feb 2, 2017, Opposing Views: Poll: Trump's Vaccine Views At Odds With Americans'

The Pew Research poll, conducted before the November 2016 election and released on Feb. 2, found that 82 percent of Americans believe that parents of public school students should be required to vaccinate their children for measles, mumps and rubella. While 66 percent said that there is a low risk of side effects from the popular vaccine, a full 88 percent said that the benefits still outweigh any possible risks. Meanwhile, 73 percent said that the shot offers serious preventative health benefits.

Many vaccine opponents have raised concerns about secondary ingredients in the shots that children receive, such as the preservative thimerosal, which skeptics say may cause autism. According to the Center for Disease Control, no vaccine ingredients, including thimerosal, have been shown to have any connection to the disability, although the ingredient has nonetheless largely been reduced or eliminated from most formulas since its safety came under review in 2001....

However, most Americans believe that vaccine policy decisions should not be made by politicians, with only 25 percent of respondents in the Pew Research poll stating that elected officials should determine vaccination requirements. A 73-percent majority said that the requirements should be left up to medical scientists, while 47 percent believed that the general public should have a say.

Feb 2, 2017, American Council on Science and Health: 82% of Americans Support Childhood Vaccines, Pew Survey Finds

Good news. Important information on vaccines is getting through to Americans – and that's a big win for science and public health in the United States.

New data released today shows that more than eight in ten "support requiring all healthy schoolchildren to be vaccinated for measles, mumps and rubella." In addition, an overwhelming number of adults –88 percent – "believe that the benefits of these inoculations outweigh the risks."

Feb 2, 2017,  Quartz: Most Americans on both sides of the political aisle are in favor of school-mandated vaccines

But there’s one issue that’s well-supported by US residents of all political affiliations—and it might be a surprise to those listening to the current rhetoric coming out of Washington, DC: mandated vaccination against mumps, measles, and rubella (MMR).

Recent survey results from the Pew Research Center show 82% of American adults think schools should force students to get the MMR vaccine. ...

Trump himself is also reportedly a vaccine skeptic. Kennedy told Science Magazine that Trump’s concerns stem from anecdotal evidence of children who were given the MMR vaccine and then developed autism.

Fortunately for parents, Trump’s confirmed pick secretary of health and human services, Tom Price, has said he believes the science showing that vaccines and autism are not related.

Feb 2, 2017, UPI:Most U.S. adults support routine MMR vaccine for children

As for politics, Republicans and Democrats express roughly similar attitudes about MMR benefits and side effects. But political conservatives are more inclined than moderates or liberals to believe parents should have the final say on childhood vaccination.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends two doses of MMR vaccine -- the first dose at age 12 to 15 months, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.

According to its website, the Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan "fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world."

Feb 2, 2017, Philadelphia Inquirer: Survey: Most Americans disagree with Trump's vaccine views

The survey, which was conducted before the November presidential election, comes at a time when medical, scientific and government experts have raised alarms about Trump’s embrace of discredited claims about vaccine safety. He recently said he was considering creation of a vaccine commission, though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention already has a well established expert panel, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, that follows a scientifically rigorous and open process to evaluate all aspects of vaccine safety.

Former first lady Rosalynn Carter has requested a meeting with first lady Melania Trump to talk about the safety of vaccines. Carter is co­founder and president of Every Child By Two, a vaccine­ advocacy group. “We offered to bring experts to the table to explain all the science that has already been conducted on the safety of vaccines and the safety systems that are already in place which would make the commission redundant and unnecessary,” Amy Pisani, the group’s executive director, said in an interview this week....

Trump has long been critical of vaccines. He met with several vaccine skeptics during his campaign and since his election, including the discredited British ex­physician Andrew Wakefield — who attended one of the presidential inaugural balls. Wakefield launched the modern anti­vaccine movement after publishing a study, now fully discredited as fraudulent, that connected autism to the MMR vaccine. In January, Trump also met with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a leading proponent of that debunked theory. Kennedy said afterward that he and Trump had discussed creation of a commission on vaccines, which he would chair. A White House spokeswoman said Wednesday that she had no update on the commission.

The Pew survey found that Americans 65 and older have especially strong support for a school-­based requirement for the MMR vaccine. Ninety percent favor such a requirement;

Feb 2, 2017, Scientific American: Most Americans Think the Benefits of the MMR Vaccine Outweigh Risks

Among his first acts as President-elect, Donald Trump signaled his interest in establishing a presidential committee on vaccine safety and scientific integrity, headed by Robert Kennedy Jr., a lawyer known for arguing that a preservative used in some vaccines causes neurological disorders. This is a position at odds with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other organizations which evaluate the safety of childhood vaccines.

Feb 2, 2017, US News: Most U.S. Adults Support Routine Child Vaccine

Despite some well-publicized opposition, this look at vaccination attitudes by the Pew Research Center finds that, overall, 88 percent of Americans believe that the benefits of the MMR vaccine outweigh any risks.

Nearly three-quarters of the more than 1,500 adults surveyed said they believe there are health benefits from the MMR vaccine. Two-thirds are also confident there's a low risk of side effects from the vaccine.

 Feb 2, 2017, Health Day: Most U.S. Adults Support Routine Child Vaccine

Survey finds 80 percent have positive view of the shot against measles, mumps and rubella

More than eight out of 10 Americans support mandatory measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccination for children attending public schools, a new survey finds.

Despite some well-publicized opposition, this look at vaccination attitudes by the Pew Research Center finds that, overall, 88 percent of Americans believe that the benefits of the MMR vaccine outweigh any risks.

By contrast, wealthier Americans with knowledge of science are very likely to support school-based MMR vaccine requirements, the researchers found.

Anne Dachel is Media Editor for Age of Autism.

Comments

Barry

Barry

I read in the article you cite that Josh crashed after getting MMR (as many have done) but not that he had not received any earlier vaccines. However, I have no doubt that MMR can cause encephalopathy on its own.
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What child on this planet gets just an MMR shot?

And what difference does it make anyway? If a child suddenly develops autism after an receiving MMR shot, why would be try so hard to blame previously received vaccines, and not the vaccine most obviously associated with the child having regressed into autism?

Is it because vaccine makers claim that the MMR vaccine doesn't contain mercury?

Why are we so convinced that they're telling the truth about that? Have you known them to tell the truth about anything else?

Michelle B

When my Presidential history-loving husband describes Jimmy Carter to others, he calls him "a good but misguided man."

It seems his wife Rosalynn "Every Child By Two" Carter also falls under that classification;

“We offered to bring experts to the table to explain all the science that has already been conducted on the safety of vaccines and the safety systems that are already in place which would make the commission redundant and unnecessary."

Thankfully, President Trump, Robert Kennedy Jr, and Dr Wakefield know that the science is absolutely NOT settled. I am beyond grateful that it is they who are at the wheel now.

John Stone

Barry

I read in the article you cite that Josh crashed after getting MMR (as many have done) but not that he had not received any earlier vaccines. However, I have no doubt that MMR can cause encephalopathy on its own.

Barry

I have believed since the nineties that Big Pharma chose the battleground to be MMR, safe in the knowledge that it had never contained mercury, in the thousands of responses I received from autistic families there were no examples of autistic children who had received only MMR vaccines.

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No examples of autistic children who had received only MMR vaccines??

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/04/i-am-josh-a-boy-after-his-mmr.html

How hard did you look?

John Stone

rtp

It is an interesting point. They used to bellyache about educated people not vaccinating which didn't seem to be quite such a clever point to make. If you were trying persuade everone to vaccinate more then that might not be the way to do it - although they seemed to be trying to channel stereotypes. No doubt they were trying to say to the lower orders these are the people you don't like on the "four legs good, two legs bad" principle. But the biggest thing you ever learn about the vaccine program is that it is so important that it is absolutely obligatory to lie and distort at every possible opportunity in its defence. The more outrageous the lie it would seem the greater the public good.

Kapoore

Obviously the public has been kept from the truth. Why do 30 percent of Repubicans and 18percent pf Democrats think that vacccines cause autism. Maybe that is 20 percent of doubters in vaccines. Or maybe this is another bogus poll like all those polls that were wrong about the election.

Tony Bateson

I have believed since the nineties that Big Pharma chose the battleground to be MMR, safe in the knowledge that it had never contained mercury, in the thousands of responses I received from autistic families there were no examples of autistic children who had received only MMR vaccines. But there were many who had had MMR after DTP. It appeared that MMR coming up to a year after DTP vaccines could harm a child who had already been damaged and could have acted as a tipping point. The main issue to me remains that of whether any completely unvaccinated child is autistic. In nineteen years of making these enquiries only one has come to my attention, amazingly virtually on my doorstep but I am not yet certain that this is a proven case, but what is clear is that the many thousands who should be found in the UK population if 'vaccination is neutral to autism' as UK Health Officials said, is simply UNTRUE.

Tony Bateson UK

rtp

This is obviously faked. You only need to look at the previous Pew survey to see this http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/02/young-adults-more-likely-to-say-vaccinating-kids-should-be-a-parental-choice/.

While views could certainly change over time, the big question is: why did they change so much in the high income group? In the 2016 survey those on high income held the same views on mandatory vaccines as those on low incomes.

And in the old study whites were the same as blacks (and both more skeptical than Hispanics).

These recent results have been clearly manipulated to make it look like only poor people oppose vaccines and to make whites feel isolated about questioning them.

Greg

I agree with Susan that the study accurately captures the wide support for vaccination. Yet, the study does not tell the full story, and despite the popular support, there is little, real commitment to fight for vaccines.

When reflecting on the vaccine-autism war, I consider, more or less, there are three main factions. First, there is what I would class the 'Ill-informed' populous. Whether old enough to remember the scourge of 'VPDs', or young enough to be swayed by the unrelenting propaganda that vaccines are all good, and 'VPDs' will be lapping at their doors if they don't accept vaccines for themselves or their kids, this class supports vaccination. Yet, they, nevertheless, do not feel particular threatened by 'anti-vaxxers' to the extent that they are interested in sticking their necks out and wage war for vaccines. They will go about their lives, dutifully accepting and supporting vaccination, but leaving things at that.

Next, there are the 'anti-vaxxers'. This minority group consist mainly of parents who were burned by vaccines, and others who to a fair extent are personally acquainted with the carnage (educators, service providers, relatives and friends). In contrast to the 'ill-informed' populous who do not feel threatened, this group really feels threatened and victimized by those pushing vaccines. They're motivated -- many extremely -- to fight against vaccination, or at least the passive complacency that vaccination is all 'kosher'.

Then there is the third class that I would coin, "The 'Insiders'. This is also a minority group and they consist mainly of influential figures and leaders (politicians, public health professionals) who for 'material' reasons support vaccination, and the vaccination propaganda that keeps the ill-informed populous duped. Yet, these individuals 'special status' put them in a unique position that leaves them well aware of reality. They know that the 'anti-vaxxers' have legitimate concerns, and there are indeed serious issues with vaccines. Among the 'The Insiders', I consider there are a fair amount of 'anti-vaxx' sympathisers that to some extent can be considered as 'closet-antivaxxers'. We see them peek their heads out of the closet from time to time, voicing 'anti-vaxx' concerns, only to quickly pull it back in with retractions, corrections, apologies after taking heat -- aka Ben Carson, Jill Stein, Dr Neides from the Cleveland Clinic, and so on, and so on.

Despite being in full charge of the vaccination propaganda, 'The Insiders' special scope on the vaccination debate and their awareness of the legitimate concerns surrounding vaccinations robs them of any real conviction to wage war for vaccines. They are quite aware of how tenuous the situation is and this makes them particularly nervous. Perhaps, some may disagree with me here, but, for instance, stop on reflect on SB-277. Why with so much support for vaccination has no other State moved to pass similar legislation? Sometimes I get the impression that politicians are secretly snicker at California.

Back to the study, supporting vaccination is one thing, and being prepared to stick your neck out and fight for it is quite another. With the vaccine-autism war, only one side consists of true warriors. This to me is huge.

Barry

"And I think it means that the industry is realizing that more and more parents of vaccine injured children, ARE starting to think like we do."

A poll like this has no scientific meaning. It is merely a measure of public opinion/confusion.

Notice they aren't polling health care professionals. I think they don't dare do that now.

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Of course a poll like this has no scientific meaning, no poll can. Not even ones that are honestly done.

Even the so-called 'vaccine science' that they've been peddling for so long, has no scientific meaning. Because it has nothing to do with real science either.

It's all about getting people to look the other way. And the fact that they're resorting to opinion polls now to do that, tells me that parents are becoming far more suspicious of the same old answers.

Jonathan Rose

Kathy, I'm afraid autism parents are more likely to agree with us than with you. A 2011 survey found that 42% of autism parents believe that vaccines are the culprit, and just 25% reject that, with the rest undecided. (Allison Kennedy et al., “Confidence about Vaccines in the United States: Understanding Parents’ Perceptions.” Health Aff (Millwood). 2011;30(6):1151-1159.) And the recent Economist/YouGov poll found that 31% of all Americans believe vaccines cause autism, which is why I think this Pew poll underestimates wariness about vaccines.

Linda1

"And I think it means that the industry is realizing that more and more parents of vaccine injured children, ARE starting to think like we do."

A poll like this has no scientific meaning. It is merely a measure of public opinion/confusion.

Notice they aren't polling health care professionals. I think they don't dare do that now.

Linda1

Paul,
I respectfully disagree about Dr. Wakefield. I think he needs to not back down because, like terrorists using propaganda, intimidation and fear tactics, that's what the criminals want. He needs to do exactly what he's doing - spreading the truth and standing for what is right. To lump him in with Pharma as a biased party is incorrect. His position is one of scientific integrity. They, on the other hand, are thugs.

Barry

I think the poll accurately represents America. I think what you need to realize is that most parents of children with autism don't think like you do.

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Some parents will never wake up. Because sadly, some people are just sheep, who derive their bliss from ignorance.

But the industry is switching its defense strategy from tobacco science, to faking opinion polls.

That seems like a pretty desperate move to me. And I think it means that the industry is realizing that more and more parents of vaccine injured children, ARE starting to think like we do.

Kathy

I think the poll accurately represents America. I think what you need to realize is that most parents of children with autism don't think like you do.

Paul Anderson

Lindal:
I have seen both of your recommendations. The key is to have a new study that does not include Dr. Wakefield or anyone from Big Pharma. Both sides preach to the choir. We need independent studies so
that people who do not have a special interest can attract the swing voters so to speak. to the truth.
I believe and trust Dr. Wakefield I'm in the choir.

Harvard MD

"While 66 percent said that there is a low risk of side effects from the popular vaccine, a full 88 percent said that the benefits still outweigh any possible risks."

1 in 3 americans surveyed don't buy the safety claim of the MMR!! This is good, especially as Kennedy's commission would reportedly focus on safety and CDC corruption. This is a starting place to get the commission going and eventually bring the conversation to the risk-benefit of specific vaccines.

I agree with Linda1 - I think they are focusing on MMR because the influenza vaccine is losing advocates and the HPV vaccine is under fire.

Love AoA's fierce dedication!

Anne McElroy Dachel

Why should anyone trust a poll as proof that vaccines are safe?

That's what the press is trying to do here.

I'm sure that in the 1950s when doctors were advertising Camels cigarettes and news stories announced studies showing smoking was safe, people saw it as a social norm.

The media is trying every means possible to brainwash the public into believing that things are just fine with vaccines. No one should look into the workings of the CDC.

I'm sure it's going to be even more heated in the coming weeks.

Paul Anderson

Poll questions are generally biased by nature. Pointing out bias will not win the day. We need a controlled unbiased study. This will help start the flow in a proper direction with results people can believe in.

Linda1

Paul,
Please see: https://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/129-Research-Papers-Supporting-the-Vaccine-Autism-Link

Also please see the movie, Vaxxed: http://vaxxedthemovie.com/stream/

and the stories at: Vaxxed.us

The movie is about a CDC whistleblower who revealed that the CDC committed fraud on their MMR autism research. The CDC has known for almost 2 decades. They covered it up. Please see the film.

Jeannette Bishop

People were possibly eased into supporting forced vaccination (on their own and future children and grandchildren if not ultimately themselves) by the word "healthy" which suggests faith (or answer based on a hypothetical) that those that are presumed to be just-about-all-knowing "healthcare" providers don't/won't vaccinate the unhealthy (or maybe IOW those who will be hurt by it).

I am also uncertain how "scientific" a poll conducted by an institution possibly viewed as not independent enough from a system that many (maybe a majority by now--maybe I'm too optimistic) are coming to distrust can be.

One question I'm left with is do those who wouldn't participate (or wouldn't be caught by the survey net) have the view of "measles can kill you, much worse than autism or whatever else--I don't have time and energy (or know how) to be bothered to find out--that vaccines might do to you and I had vaccines and I'm fine or I want to believe I am" type of answers the Vaxxed team got from a campus survey or that we see often in social media?

Another question, how can we get people who won't be given actual data that can inform of the limitations of vaccine efficacy, and the under-ascertained but existing knowledge of vaccines risks (including risks to the population and those touted as needing to be protected by vaccinating), as well as actual disease risks/benefits as far as we understand at this point, from their day-to-day info sources to go independently seeking it?

This part should be motivating more IMO to investigate more, but maybe many need some type of permission/better motivation to investigate:

http://www.pewinternet.org/2017/02/02/americans-views-about-public-health-and-health-studies-in-the-news/

Overall, asked whether public health is better, worse or stable over the past few decades, Americans tilt toward viewing health outcomes in the U.S. as declining compared with 20 years ago. A plurality of U.S. adults say that children’s and adults’ health are both worse today than they were two decades ago. This view is shared among all age groups except seniors; about half of those ages 65 and older think that the health of both children and adults is better today than it was 20 years ago.

Paul Anderson

As a grandfather of an autistic child. Let us do a study where kids get individual vaccines and the mmr vaccine in a control setting. This way we can see if the autism is derived from vaccines. People need to see a correlation or the polls will remain high. We need to have autism studied for possible causes where people do not think the study is controlled by pro vaccine vs. anti vaccine. Just do something.

Jonathan Rose

I'd first note that the poll asks leading and biased questions: they emphasize that refusing to vaccinate creates "health risks for others" but does not say that vaccination carries risks. Nevertheless, it does scotch the myth that vaccine skeptics are all affluent. It shows that 49% of Americans use alternative medicine in addition to or instead of conventional medicine, and only 30% rely solely on their doctor for medical advice: 68% do their own research. That doesn't show a lot of confidence in the medical profession. Only about half fully trust what doctors say about the MMR, which means that about half don't fully trust the doctors. Only 52% believe that scientists consistently follow the best scientific evidence (shouldn't scientists always do that?), and 79% believe that scientists's research findings are sometimes or usually influenced by what benefits their industry (of course that should never influence their findings, if science is truly objective). And 48% say that children's health has gotten worse over the past two decades. If you look beneath the spin, you'll find a lot of support for what we've been saying.

go Trump

When the vaccine industry runs out of “tobacco science vaccine safety studies” provided by ... indicted epidemiologists ... from Denmark, they turn to the next best thing... a telephone survey.

Scientists can make a few hundred telephone calls, paid for by a multi-million dollar grant to a university, tally the results, and stop calling when the results support the predetermined goal...

This effort is then “called Science” and it then goes out nationwide on the mainstream news which has a 6% approval rating.

Sharon DeNunzio

I am more and more impressed with the young moms I meet today who quietly go about refusing to vaccinate their children even though it may take some patience to find a pediatrician who will go along with their views. These moms won't be quoted in the propaganda, but they are clearly becoming a great force for the propaganda machine to contend with. We are evolving consciously even if our puppet media wants to proclaim otherwise.

Linda1

US News:
"Nearly three-quarters of the more than 1,500 adults surveyed said they believe there are health benefits from the MMR vaccine."

More than a quarter do not believe there are health benefits?

"Two-thirds are also confident there's a low risk of side effects from the vaccine."

What did the other third, 500 adults, believe?

Bob Moffit

"COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE: The focus is on the MMR vaccine. (Could this be because of Dr. Wakefield's work?)

I suspect the PEW poll focused on the MMR to counteract the impact that VAXXED .. as evidenced by the following comment under a US NEWS headline .. "Most US Adults Support Routine Child Vaccine":

"Despite some well-publicized opposition .. (VAXXED!!!) .. this look at vaccination attitudes by the Pew Research Center finds that, overall, 88 percent of Americans believe that the benefits of the MMR vaccine outweigh any risks.

The following article clearly explains WHY the PEW poll was DISHONEST in it's findings:

"Dr. William Thompson is listed as author or co-author on the principal studies—Thompson, et al. 2007, Price, et al. 2010, Destefano, et al. 2004—most widely cited to "debunk" the link between autism and vaccines. Thompson said that his bosses, including the CDC's Immunization Safety Office Branch Chief Frank Destefano, specifically ordered him and three other CDC scientists to destroy data demonstrating vaccine induced autism in CDC's seminal 2004 study—Destefano, et al. 2004. The data unexpectedly showed a 250 percent increase in autism among young black males who received the vaccine on time—before their third birthday—compared to those who waited until after their third birthday. The data also showed a significant link between the vaccine and isolated autism (autism in normally developing children with no other medical problems), the kind suffered by Yates Hazlehurst, who is mentioned below. According to Thompson, Destefano called his four co-authors into a room and ordered them to dump the damning datasets into a giant garbage can. The published study omitted those data sets. That study, now cited in 91 subsequent papers on PubMed as proof of vaccine safety, is the principle foundation stone of the theology that vaccines don't cause autism."

Odd that the PEW poll that everyone is touting as "evidence a vast majority of the public supports the MMR" makes absolutely NO MENTION of Dr. William Thompson's positively frightening allegations of what could possibly be interpreted as CRIMINAL conduct .. the deliberate manipulation and destruction of "damning datasets"?

Just curious .. if the PEW poll wanted an HONEST result for American confidence in the MMR .. how many of the 88% of Americans were aware of Dr. Thompson's scientific data that showed a "250% increase in autism among black males .. and .. a significant link between the vaccine and isolated autism"? Did PEW researchers even ASK those 88% of Americans if they even heard there is a "whistleblower" CDC scientist waiting to TESTIFY in front of CONGRESS?

Indeed .. how many of those supposed "informed media outlets" are aware of Dr Thompson's allegations? One would think if these major media HEALTH reporters .... ARE AWARE of Dr Thompson's allegations .. THEY would have ... at the very least .. even if only to disparage his testimony .. mentioned HIS name. It is no accident that NOT ONE media outlet did so. NOT ONE.

Not hard to get 88% of Americans to AGREE to ANYTHING when the those being "polled" are deliberately being kept ignorant of the serious allegations of a whistleblower like Dr. Thompson.

Linda1

Here's a newsflash for them: Most Americans are not buying their propaganda. The propagandists are singling out the MMR because, I do not have statistics, but I believe, people are rejecting it en masse. I bet physicians are increasingly queasy about the MMR too - and all vaccines. Vaxxed has been very effective in getting the truth out about the vaccination program corruption.

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