You know what I think. I think some people with a sinking, proven sociopathic perspective, are looking for a life raft and a new strategy right about now. An ABA therapist who sees no correlation between autism and the MMR? Nothing in the literature?

"Many AVers think autism is just as bad as death, and those AVers are the most hated."

A therapist who works with autistic children wrote this?

"If you talk to many pro-vaxers, we don't want vaccines to harm anyone. Which is why many of us fight for vaccines. It's not just our kids, family, etc - we see it as something that needs to be done to protect everyone."

I could reference the troll playbook which instructs to tell emotional anecdotes about loved ones who were harmed from not vaccinating. That, plus the rest of it, makes little sense.

Michelle:

I really already made my run a couple of days after that super full moon and dropped that pumpkin full of spiders on the CDC and now there are spiders everywhere! Snort, snicker

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/spider-bites-cdc

And you are not upset about this?

Michelle,
First of all, there was no violence. Let's not exaggerate.
Second, I'm very sorry for what happened to your sister. I know of someone who lost their child to meningitis and is now coping with that loss by working for meningitis vaccine mandates - even though the vaccine has never been shown to actually work (the manufacturer states in the insert that meningitis is so rare that it is impossible to know efficacy) and the manufacturer states that the incidence of serious adverse effects will, according to their research, far out number natural cases. Makes absolutely no sense scientifically or ethically. Only makes sense to Wall Street, and the mother who is acting out of grief and probably anger and who needs to do something with those emotions.

Let me ask you this: If your sister had suffered transverse myelitis from vaccination that left her a paraplegic, would you still be fighting for mandatory vaccination? How about if she died from Gardasil? Would you be campaigning to force that vaccine on young people? Mind you, even though the Japanese government withdrew their recommendation for the HPV vaccine in 2013, with only a reported 1 or 2% of their eligible population taking it now, our scientists are testing the vaccine on infants. In America, where the NIH holds the patent (and reaps the profits), it's full speed ahead. We have the most aggressive vaccine schedule and the highest infant mortality rate of all developed countries. Nothing to brag about. We should be looking at what we're doing wrong and yet, nothing about this in the presidential debates. Nothing about that fact that our babies are dying and our mothers too.

If your healthy baby died suddenly, hours after a round of vaccines at 2 or 4 or 6 months of age, knowing that the research clearly shows that infants become apneic and bradycardic within 3 days of vaccination requiring mechanical ventilation, would you think your baby's death was a coincidence? Would you be bringing your other children in for the same treatment? Would you want to be forced to give them the same treatment that killed their sibling?

Have you seen Vaxxed?

Hi Michelle,

I'm not very interested in your respect and am certainly less deserving of respect IMO than the (as far as I'm aware) non-violent and courageous protestors (if not all 100% perfect at proselyting) at the CDC a couple of weeks ago who are working to bring about real vaccine safety research in U.S. health institutions and to fight for protections of right to informed consent for everyone.

I AM sorry to hear that you lost your sister so early, and I AM also interested in/concerned about the level of understanding you might have of some current vaccine related events/trends:

1) the revelations by Dr. William Thompson that the CDC hid significant findings (and destroyed documents) of an MMR link to autism (the subject of the documentary Vaxxed) who is currently being blocked by the CDC director from testifying in the Tennessee court (because testimony by the major data analyst of the CDC's MMR timing paper "would not substantially promote the objectives of CDC or HHS.")

2) awareness of earlier obscured findings (and again illegally destroyed datasets) by the CDC regarding links to thimerosal exposure and autism/various other NDs (subject of the book Evidence of Harm, well-summarized in the film Trace Amounts)

3) the current push for stricter mandates on both children and adults (if you haven't received the MMR since the early 90s you're probably considered unvaccinated by some "pro-vaxxers") as the industry (used to mandated liability free markets) is set to roll out hundreds of new vaccines

4) the current whistleblower case against Merck for falsify efficacy data of the mumps portion of MMR

5) the existence of the NVICP (national vaccine injury compensation program) which requires the injured to first petition for compensation before exercising their "right" to sue in court

6) the concept of "herd immunity" applies to groups contracting disease naturally and as vaccine immunity is more transient outbreaks will and do happen in 100% vaccinated groups

Many vaccines aren't designed to prevent transmission, so justifying a blanket mandate for vaccines generally in the name of protecting the vulnerable doesn't make sense scientifically (and ignores all the vaccine injured and the right to avoid being among them, or the right to simply choose what path your personal healthcare will be) and some vaccines also create conditions that are potentially harmful for the immune-compromised (live viral vaccines like the MMR potentially shedding being one, a pertussis vaccines that allows recipients to be contagious without symptoms is another).

Vaccines are not studied as rigorously as other pharmaceuticals. They are not tested against true placebos or a fully unvaccinated control group to determine all adverse effects. They are not followed up for longterm adverse effects (the "anti-science" "anti-vaccine" "side" are usually the ones calling for a vaccinated vs. never-vaccinated all health outcomes study). And, as I mentioned above, if a vaccine is added to the U.S. "recommended" childhood schedule you cannot sue the industry or administrator if you are harmed without first going through the NVICP, so the industry has little incentive to make safe or effective vaccines (indeed there is perverse incentives in selling more doses when a vaccine fails, as seen with current mumps outbreaks, and in selling more pharmaceuticals to treat many adverse vaccine effects).

IMO there are people here with many degrees of pro- and anti-vaccine viewpoints. If current trends from some of calling anyone an "anti-vaxxer" who might want to refuse one or more of the current or upcoming vaccinations, or who simply wants to talk about all vaccine effects and limitations realistically, it may become uncomfortable for you to align with the "pro-vaxxer" agenda in the future:

http://www.immunizeforgood.com/vaccines/new-vaccines-on-the-horizon

(Sorry, the more I proof-read the longer this gets so I'm stopping with what's here.)

I would recommend at the very least getting informed about what is going on with mandates in your state and the groups opposing them and sign up to protect your rights and wish you and your family well.

Hi Michelle,
i am glad that you are trying to find ways to respect those who have different opinions from you. I too have many friends with different political , religious and medical views from me, and that is fine.

Given that you have given people here feedback about how you see them, it might be helpful for you to understand how at least imo, you come across.
I am pretty sure you are a decent person who is kind and respectful to your friends/

I also think that casual cruelty and bullying of vaccine safety advocates has become so widespread and socially acceptable that most people don't even realize they are doing it.

You stated that you don't want to hear "emotional anecdotes' You seem a nice person, so my guess is that in no other situation would you say to a parent of a dead or injured child
" I don't want to hear your emotional anecdote"
I am pretty sure you would at least say
"Wow, I'm sorry your kid had a stroke" or "I am so sorry you had to bury your baby."

You mentioned how important freedom of choice is to you. Me too. Yet people here are fighting for your right to make medical choices for yourself and your children. Even if right now, you want every possible vaccine for yourself, and your child, there may be in the future, one or more of the 100 or so vaccines in the pipeline that you don't want to get. Who knows; maybe you or child will have a reaction that you don't want to repeat with siblings. But in California, you have already lost the right to an education for your child if you decline. And rights for adults to make their own medical choices for vaccines are already being whittled down. One of my friends doesn't care about vaccines one way or another. He has never had a reaction to any of them. But he sure cares about freedom to make medical choices for himself. If you are sure that no one is going to tell you what to do , then you may wish to join us in protecting your medical rights.

Ginger Taylor @ http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com shares info about a letter and announcement coming out of the CDC:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carey-gillam/spider-bites-cdc-ethics-c_b_12525012.html

https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CDC_SPIDER_Letter-1.pdf

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=CDC-2016-0094

I'm afraid most people here haven't watched the full video on Periscope. As I remember it, the protester first asked the man a reasonable question, politely. He said, "Go away." She asked another question, but he kept saying,"Go away." To me, he was being confrontational first. He could have said he wasn't interested, or something more cowardly like, "Sorry, I've got a train to catch." I think these people who came out of the CDC knew there was a protest going on and were looking for trouble. I've since heard that the protesters were attacked with chemtrails and the protest broken up early. How confrontational is that? Some people of this parish need to open their eyes, and wake up!

You will never gain understanding, a platform, or respect 'protesting' what you want in that manner. You behave like idiots, and that's all you'll be seen as. I'm not on your 'side', but I can tell you, behaving like savage beasts out to feed isn't going to get yourselves anywhere, and you only give fodder to people like me to laugh at. Do you all want to be taken seriously? Then I strongly suggest you debate with facts (not emotional anecdotes), and do so in a peaceful and level-headed manner, otherwise the CDC won't hear you, the public won't take you seriously, and pro-vax people such as myself will never respect you. I am friends who think their kids were vaccine damaged, I don't challenge them, but I know if I were to ask them, they would patiently explain things to me respectfully, and same goes the other way. But if my friends were to act like you guys have, we wouldn't be friends. Respect yourselves and others, then you'll get respect.

"The solution is to loudly tell everyone what you have seen vaccines do. I personally don't think protests at the CDC, or anywhere else, will accomplish much. I think writing or distributing books and articles, and commenting online, are the most effective means of changing the discourse. That way people read the material and think about it in private, not when put on the spot in a confrontation. And just plain civil disobedience. Refuse to do it, refuse the vaccines you will not take, and tell everyone within earshot why you are refusing. That's not confrontational when it's protecting yourself against vaccine assault, and most people can see that. "

Completely agree. Well stated.

Patricia,

I disagree about the legal route being the solution. All they have to say, and they do, is that no one has the right to endanger the lives of everyone else by refusing vaccines. Since they refuse to admit how often the vaccines disable or kill, that makes it like restaurant employees having to wash their hands before touching food. They have no right to refuse to wash their hands even if they say they don't see why they should have to wash their hands if they have no time or it dries their skin out. And then it's case closed.

The solution is to loudly tell everyone what you have seen vaccines do. I personally don't think protests at the CDC, or anywhere else, will accomplish much. I think writing or distributing books and articles, and commenting online, are the most effective means of changing the discourse. That way people read the material and think about it in private, not when put on the spot in a confrontation. And just plain civil disobedience. Refuse to do it, refuse the vaccines you will not take, and tell everyone within earshot why you are refusing. That's not confrontational when it's protecting yourself against vaccine assault, and most people can see that.

I have a friend from my past whose husband acquired a hospital infection, MRSA, when in the hospital for surgery. He'd fallen off the roof of their home, broke a leg and chipped a piece off his spine. He was told he would need back surgery which would require at the minimum, a three day stay.

The surgery went fine; post surgery did not. My friend's husband nearly died from his hospital acquired infection. MRSA. His stay in the hospital lasted for eight weeks; he left the hospital only because their insurance had run out.

My friend now serves on a public state health committee regarding MRSA. She's worked hard, along with other advocates, to try to get legislation passed which will ultimately, hopefully, change various hospital procedures and regulations regarding this horrible infection, which now kills more patients yearly than AIDS.

I found a few pictures of my friend taken of her when she was visiting the CDC. In one pic, she's standing right in front of what is apparently the CDC's front desk. She is standing alongside two other women, inside the CDC (CDC logo on the front desk is clearly visible in that picture). On each one of the women in the picture, is clearly what appears to be a Visitor badge. All three women were attending a CDC joint committee session regarding the MRSA situation.

I couldn't help but wonder what my friend would have thought if she and these others had been confronted by protestors when either entering or exiting the CDC. Would these protestors have simply assumed that simply because my friend and these others were entering/exiting the CDC meant they were employees of the CDC? Would that have been the assumption? Clearly, the CDC has visitors coming and going from its main campus on a daily basis. Not everyone entering or exiting that campus is an evil, nasty person who works for the CDC (much less for the Immunization Branch).

I have read several articles here at this blog about the bullying of autistic children (by their peers and adults). The stories are horrific and maddening.

...why is it that bullying is okay when it's coming from your side?

To be clear, I would have no issues should Anthony Fauci, Colleen Boyle, or some of the others at the top tier involved with this issue show their faces and willingly confront the protestors. But I'm speaking of the average Joe who may or may not have anything to do with this issue and is simply trying to go about his/her day and have to perhaps walk into the path(s) of these protestors.

I'm a pretty feisty person. When needed, I have lambasted a couple of my former bosses IPartners with law firms) who were shall we say deliberately making my work life miserable because of certain unethical business practices.

When the time was right, I confronted head on each one of these jerks. I mean I was in their faces, yelling. You could hear my voice (or so I was told) all the way down the hallway. Normally, I don't behave that way, but they deserved it. But I made my point with them and amazingly, things did change for the better after my confrontations with them. (My mistake was waiting too long before I confronted them. By the time I did, my temper got the best of me. While I'm not proud of my behavior to some degree, amazingly my willingness to stand up to them garnered me a decent show of support from them and my co-workers.)

So I DO understand anger and being pushed over the edge until you're ready to explode. But there's a time and a place for things. There's a time to engage and a time to pull back, especially when you may be in the path of someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the issues you're protesting against.

Protesting does not give you the right to trod all over someone else's right to be left alone. If Finger Man was deliberately taunting the protestors (I don't know, I wasn't there), then that's one thing. But if that route was the only route he had to choose from in order to get to where he wanted to be, then standing in front of him, as this mom certainly did, was just plain unacceptable.

The point of protesting is to garner attention to your cause; to help educate others who may not be aware of your issue. And certainly a part of that would be to garner SUPPORT for your cause. Isn't that what you want? So do you think you're going to get that support if you're in someone's face who clearly doesn't want to engage?

Bullying is bullying. Is' okay when you're doing it while protesting, but NOT okay when it's happening to your autistic child? C'mon.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that rally leadership and others thought this man's image should be published which is hurtful to him and his reputation. This man's behavior was deliberately taken out of context. Especially after what was done to Dr. Wakefield, we should know better. We are better than this.

Anne, Fox News isn't the only outlet missing the mark on the rally reporting.

Posted by: DFisher | October 16, 2016 at 11:17 PM

Yeah the protester was the aggressor . She deliberately poisoned her own child with a mercury and aluminium concoctions that has been decades in the making .
It doesn't matter what that person did , she was never the aggressor . The CDC are the mass murderers here - And the cdc is still trying to perfect the ultimate surreptitious kill.

I watched the video.

He walked down in the middle of protesters. And the woman did engage him. She showed him a picture and if you listen to her voice, she does start out friendly and informative.

Now I ask you - when you walk down in the middle of protesters and you are part of what they are protesting - do you expect silence. Your middle class, too good and too polite is showing.

You all should take some lessons form American Greeting Card workers (many years back) and coal miner and their families of how to protest.

You are not there to say - Look we are here. You are there to make that company - that government, that place of business, that CDC - to know you are there, to make them uncomfortable to skim the razor edge of what will put you in jail and what is your right - to stand and protest.

I would like to see some one - like middle management come walking in the middle of a picket line and come out with no more than he did and I would like to see what happened if he did anything other than say I am sorry, or Wow, or I did not know - but stick up his finger. Let him do that in the midst of that. He was a fool to do that and he took a chance. You guys can't see that?

If I was walking in the middle of protesters you think I would throw up my finger at anything they said or did? I am not stupid.

There is something wrong with that man.

Posted by: Researching mom | October 16, 2016 at 11:22 AM

Could not agree more RM ! good point and good comment .
We need to protest every way we can .

Did you see Galway , and Margaret Stanley getting a good shoeing (great day indeed)

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-asked-to-attend-who-meeting-over-low-uptake-of-hpv-vaccine-1.2820866

From the video, it looks like the protester was the aggressor. I would have flipped her off too.

I am not sure you are right Bay area Mom.

Sorry. I know she was in his face and she made him mad, but she is mad herself .
She has a right to be mad.
Perhaps he will go back inside and tell them all what she had to say to him.
Hey, those guys out there are really angry. She got in my face- I gave her the bird though.

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Remember how the Gays got the attention that was needed to fight AIDS. They were angry, rude, and in their face.

She came a long way to protest - she has been uncomfortable for a long time - so - she made some one at the CDC uncomfortable.

That I think might be protesting at it's finest.

Researching Mom, DaWei,
You characterize this guy as her aggressor. He was not her aggressor. He was a man trying to cross the street.
Protesting is good. But having a vaccine injured child does not give one license to demand the attention of anyone on the street or anywhere else. In fact, this video could be used against us. It clearly does not portray us in a good light.

I find it interesting that some discuss his actions without having watched the video. Watch the video before you comment!

And this type of protest is waking up the world. I bet you can remember the protestor at Tianinmen Square! If you don't think protests are valid, then what are YOU doing that is making a large impact? A comment on social media that is seen by a few friends? How do you think that is going to change anything?

"He should have walked around the protestors and avoided this type of confrontation."

He tried to avoid her. There was no other way out to the street than to walk past her.

"...you cannot resort to some of the same sort of crass behavior we all complain about w/folks on the other side of the fence, and then resort to same, on our side."

Exactly right. We complain about being bullied. This guy was bullied, shown on our side's video that is now all over the internet.

"What does the person on the street owe a protestor? The video clearly shows this man trying to walk around the protestor and then when he's waiting for the light to change to cross the street, she gets in his face and demands his attention. Three times he quietly asks her to "go away" and she doesn't stop, doesn't respect his three requests. Finally, when she fails to engage him, she retaliates by telling him that she's going to take his picture. That's when the finger goes up and while I think it would have been better if he controlled himself and didn't respond to her provocation, I don't blame his reaction to it. She was clearly pushing his buttons.

The CDC has 15,000 employees. All of them do not work in the Immunization Safety Branch. We do not do our movement any favors when we are aggressive with people who just happen to be employees. If you want to get in DeStefano or Boyle's face, I have no problem with that. They deserve it. But this guy was just trying to cross the street. He had no obligation to talk to or listen to anyone."

THANK you for this. Completely agree. What little I saw when viewing that short video was all I needed to see. That woman, while 'attempting' to appear polite w/her protest, was clearly in this man's face. She was standing in his personal space and simply would not let up. While I did not note that he quietly asked her to stop, MY nerves would have been shot if I had been in his shoes.

This mom had absolutely no idea who this man was/is and EVEN if he was a CDC employee, this does not mean that he works in the Immunization Branch. And even if he did, it wouldn't mean he is someone who has any sort of authority re the scandal that is ongoing re Thompson, OR have had anything to do with the MMR fraudulent research issue.

When I told my husband about this event and what had transpired w/this man and this mom, he looked at me and said that she's lucky she didn't get in HIS face if that had been him. My husband's the type of guy that just wants to do his business and not be hassled by anyone trying to sell him something, whether it's Girl Scout cookies, a newspaper, or a petition to be signed. He wants to be left alone.

I feel the same way, although I tend to have a bit more tolerance for some of these folks than my husband. IF this man had actively engaged this mom and had asked for more information, THEN it would have been appropriate for her to stop and have a conversation.

But she was clearly in this man's personal space. Make no mistake, I am not condoning this man's rude behavior. He should have walked around the protestors and avoided this type of confrontation. On the other hand, I am not going to condone this woman's behavior, either. Of course I have empathy/sympathy for her re her child! But I'm not going to condone this type behavior; it does our movement absolutely no good and gains us NOTHING in the end.

I have never been overly fond of these type of protests anyway, most especially because they always seem to escalate into something such as what happened here. I understand people's emotions run high during these events, but you cannot resort to some of the same sort of crass behavior we all complain about w/folks on the other side of the fence, and then resort to same, on our side.

I wish I was among the "dozens" protesting in body and spirit, instead of just in spirit. I really appreciate these reports though when they allow comments. Some are saying the protesters numbered in the hundreds. Of course there's at least one comment saying there are "hundreds" of studies "proving" vaccines are safe, not just by the CDC--he didn't reference any--but I was curious if the "Dozens" in the headline, instead of something like "A Handful," meant the showing was rather large.

http://www.11alive.com/news/dozens-protest-vaccinations-at-cdc-in-atlanta/336083503

According to some CDC employees, they all wear badges while out and about. So, he is not a CDC employee. Further, this CDC employee told me that the rally protesters were blocking people's paths, including this guy's, accosting them verbally, preventing them from going to lunch. They may be charges filed against the rally sponsors.

What does the person on the street owe a protestor? The video clearly shows this man trying to walk around the protestor and then when he's waiting for the light to change to cross the street, she gets in his face and demands his attention. Three times he quietly asks her to "go away" and she doesn't stop, doesn't respect his three requests. Finally, when she fails to engage him, she retaliates by telling him that she's going to take his picture. That's when the finger goes up and while I think it would have been better if he controlled himself and didn't respond to her provocation, I don't blame his reaction to it. She was clearly pushing his buttons.

The CDC has 15,000 employees. All of them do not work in the Immunization Safety Branch. We do not do our movement any favors when we are aggressive with people who just happen to be employees. If you want to get in DeStefano or Boyle's face, I have no problem with that. They deserve it. But this guy was just trying to cross the street. He had no obligation to talk to or listen to anyone.

There's something that doesn't ring true about this man. One of the videos online shows him gesturing for a longer time than simple anger would normally express itself. It's almost as though he's deliberately making sure he's being photographed. Is he a bona fide employee of the CDC or is he either an actor or an agent provocateur? How are we being manipulated and why?

This employee is a disgrace but the liberal media will not pick up on it. They are immune to caring. That alone should tell people that Hillary should not get the vote from anyone impacted by or concerned about autism.