Kinsey French: From the "Maybe The World Isn't Going to Hell in a Handbasket" Files
Dachel Wake Up: CDC Urges Americans To Get Flu Shot.....

CDC "Nose" That Live Attenuate Influenza Vaccine Is Dangerous

FlumistBy Teresa Conrick

In June of this year, something odd happened at the annual CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP).  They voted that the nasal flu vaccine or more precisely, that the "live attenuated influenza vaccine (LAIV)" should not be used during the 2016-2017 flu seasonHere's a brief history of LAIV:

  •  June 17, 2003 FDA approves nasal spray flu vaccine invented at U-M
  •  FluMist is a cold-adapted, live-attenuated, trivalent influenza virus vaccine.
  •  A trivalent vaccine, like the flu shot, it includes three different strains of vaccine.

 In 2009, H1N1 was all the rage

  •  The 2009 H1N1 nasal spray vaccine is being made in the same way as the seasonal nasal spray vaccine, but instead of containing three weakened live flu viruses, it only contains weakened 2009 H1N1 virus.

Then, in 2012, a new formula and here is the FDA approval: "February 29, 2012 Approval Letter - FluMist® Quadrivalent"

  •  We have approved your request to supplement your biologics license application for Influenza Vaccine Live, Intranasal, to include a quadrivalent formulation containing two influenza A subtype viruses and two type B viruses.

  •  FluMist Quadrivalent is a vaccine indicated for active immunization for the prevention of influenza disease caused by influenza A subtype viruses and type B viruses contained in the vaccine. FluMist Quadrivalent is approved for use in persons 2 through 49 years of age.

  •  We did not refer your supplement to the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee because our review  of information submitted in your supplement, including the design and results of the clinical trials, did not raise concerns or  controversial issues which would have benefited from an advisory committee discussion.
  • Well that may have been a big mistake.  "Concerns or controversial issues" were to come but not by the FDA nor the CDC:

    June 2014 - CDC Gives Preference to LAIV:

    •  The preferential recommendation for using the nasal-spray vaccine (also known as live attenuated influenza vaccine, or LAIV) in young children was made in June 2014, the CDC noted.
    •  It was based on evidence gathered over several flu seasons that it offered better protection than inactivated flu vaccine (IIV, or injected  vaccine) did. LAIV, made by MedImmune, is sold as FluMist.

    Thursday, February 26, 2015:

    •  Today the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted on its annual influenza vaccine recommendations for 2015-2016....ACIP did not renew the 2014-2015 preference for using the nasal spray flu vaccine (i.e., LAIV) instead of the flu shot (i.e., IIV) in healthy children 2 through 8 years of age..
    •  The decision not to renew the preferential recommendation was made based on new data from more recent seasons which have not confirmed superior  effectiveness of LAIV observed in earlier studies. ACIP recommends that children 6 months and older get an annual influenza vaccine with no preference stated for  either the nasal spray vaccine or the flu shot. 

    Which brings us to present day and yet another change -- DO NOT USE the nasal flu vaccine -- says CDC, who has now changed its tune:

    CDC recommends use of the flu shot (inactivated influenza vaccine or IIV) and the recombinant influenza vaccine (RIV). The nasal spray flu vaccine (live attenuated influenza vaccine or LAIV) should not be used during 2016-2017....or to put it another way on that same page - The nasal spray flu vaccine (live attenuated influenza vaccine or LAIV) should not be used during 2016-2017. There is no preference for one vaccine over another among the recommended, approved injectable influenza vaccines. 

    That seems to have a kind of important yet mysterious tone.

    What made me wonder about all of this was back in 2014, I had been looking at some vaccines that seemed to show a pattern of changing the Microbiome -- and not in a good way.  The live attenuated influenza vaccine ie, FluMist, was one of them:

    Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine Enhances Colonization of Streptococcus pneumoniae and Staphylococcus aureus in Mice (February, 2014)

    ...Community interactions at mucosal surfaces between viruses, like influenza virus, and respiratory bacterial pathogens are important contributors toward pathogenesis of bacterial disease. What has not been considered is the natural extension of these interactions to live attenuated immunizations, and in particular, live attenuated influenza vaccines (LAIVs). Using a mouse-adapted LAIV against influenza A (H3N2) virus carrying the same mutations as the human FluMist vaccine, we find that LAIV vaccination reverses normal bacterial clearance from the nasopharynx and significantly increases bacterial carriage densities of the clinically important bacterial pathogens Streptococcus pneumoniae (serotypes 19F and 7F) and Staphylococcus aureus (strains Newman and Wright) within the upper respiratory tract of mice. Vaccination with LAIV also resulted in 2- to 5-fold increases in mean durations of bacterial carriage. Furthermore, we show that the increases in carriage density and duration were nearly identical in all aspects to changes in bacterial colonizing dynamics following infection with wild-type (WT) influenza virus. Importantly, LAIV, unlike WT influenza viruses, had no effect on severe bacterial disease or mortality within the lower respiratory tract. Our findings are, to the best of our knowledge, the first to demonstrate that vaccination with a live attenuated viral vaccine can directly modulate colonizing dynamics of important and unrelated human bacterial pathogens, and does so in a manner highly analogous to that seen following wild-type virus infection....

    Here's the full study.

    It is rather alarming that in 2014, a study shows that vaccination with a live attenuated viral vaccine can cause VERY important changes in the quantity of pathogenic bacteria (Streptococcus pneumoniae and Staphylococcus aureus). The researchers also point out -- our findings suggest a role for laboratory models of multispecies interactions with vaccine strains to inform future vaccine monitoring and evaluation programs aimed at identifying thus far entirely unrealized “unconventional” effects, both beneficial and detrimental, of live attenuated viral vaccines and cross-species microbial dynamics.

    SO important and the value of this research cannot be denied. Then another study, similar and with the same profound results came out, Live Attenuated Influenza Virus Increases Pneumococcal Translocation and Persistence Within the Middle Ear2014 Dec 11:

    Within 12 hours after LAIV inoculation, mice demonstrated an increased incidence of MEC (bacterial middle ear colonization)...The duration of MEC was measured for each episode per mouse, as defined above, and mean durations were calculated for each group. The duration was significantly increased across all vaccinated groups, regardless of pneumococcal strain.....

    And still another study demonstrates the same - The administration of intranasal live attenuated influenza vaccine induces changes in the nasal microbiota and nasal epithelium gene expression profiles, December 15, 2015

    To examine how viral infections and host antiviral immune responses alter the upper respiratory microbiota, we analyzed nasal bacterial composition by 16S ribosomal RNA (rRNA) gene sequencing in healthy adults at baseline and at 1 to 2 weeks and 4 to 6 weeks following instillation of live attenuated influenza vaccine or intranasal sterile saline....We found that live attenuated influenza vaccination led to significant changes in microbial community structure, diversity, and core taxonomic membership as well as increases in the relative abundances of Staphylococcus and Bacteroides genera....

    This study is not about administering a live virus vaccine to the nose but tells us how that increased S. pneumoniae bacteria can spread from person to person.

    Here, we show that increasing the bacterial load in the nasal cavity of colonized individuals as well as inducing an inflammatory response in naive “contact cases” facilitates the spread of pneumococci.

    And that is a worry.  Is it enough to have the live attenuated influenza vaccine, once the darling of CDC, chopped off the preferred list and now chopped off completely this year with maybe not the whole story from them? With CDC not always being transparent, it is a possibility.

    Another big concern is that there are increasing numbers of older folks who have been exposed to S. pneumoniae via this vaccine. We also have increasing numbers of children being diagnosed with PANDAS, PANS, and Autism.  There are connections here that warrant more investigations. This vaccine can not only effect the individuals who received it but also those who are exposed to them. From one of the above studies:

    In the context of LAIV, one could envision a situation whereby a vaccinated individual with elevated bacterial carriage titers may not himself or herself be susceptible to bacterial disease but instead may act as a reservoir for increased transmission. Such a scenario might be particularly important, for example, between young children and grandparents or other elder individuals already having increased susceptibility to pneumococcal disease.(12) Additionally, although LAIV is not recommended for immunocompromised individuals, an unintended LAIV effect of increased bacterial transmission might have an important impact on bacterial disease in immunocompromised contacts.

    And from one of many parents:

    Both girls had first ever Flu Mist in Dec (5 yrs ago). Both were diagnosed w/ strep and PANDAS within 2-3 mos.

    Now I should end here but I do need to mention that the live attenuated influenza vaccine is now used in England as reported brilliantly by our own John Stone.  I see no changes happening there and one would truly wonder how that's possible but also how and why a PANDEMIC version of the live attenuated influenza vaccine is being discussed POSITIVELY with all of this research known of the dangers?

    Teresa Conrick is Contributing Editor to Age of Autism.CDC



    I developed Narcolepsy with Cataplexy in March 2014 after I was administered the Med Immune FluMist in Feb2014. Prior to the mist I was completely healthy and Narcolepsy does not run in my family at all. I was an accountant and had to quit working because I have frequent sleep attacks and cataplexy attacks. I live in the US and I know more people in the US who became Narcoleptic from the vaccine despite the common belief that the US version of the vaccine was different from Europe’s version. I cannot support my family now and struggle every day. Be weary when you get vaccines that have not been studied for more than a decade.

    Warm wishes,
    Jennifer Curtis
    [email protected]

    Angus Files

    Oh well!!funding cut for future vaccine developments bodge the old ones back onto the market..(ass you do-nt)

    CDC Scandal: Committee that Withdrew Recommendation for Nasal Flu Vaccine Now Recommends it to Experiment on American Public

    Pharma For Prison



    So sorry, Jennifer.

    Jennifer Hembre

    My son hasn’t been the same since his first and only FluMist in 2013 at age 4. He developed a fever & within a few days it was like he suddenly developed “Tourette’s Syndrome” I know now that it is not T.S. but is what people refer to as PANS -but his doctor calls it Autoimmune Encephalitis. We are currently still battling this:-(


    Don't go away, just keep reading on here your welcome. Obscene language and bad intentions to others are barred .The good honest intentions of the CDC fall into the banned criteria.



    Been wondering for a long time, about FluMist.

    It's sprayed up into the nose. And recipient is told to sniff it in, also?

    How can it NOT get into the brain?

    The olfactory nerves are the only direct route into the brain. The blood-brain barrier does not apply to olfactory nerves. (See below)

    That's the reason users of drugs like cocaine, etc. "snort" the drug -- it goes direct to the brain.

    How can it NOT cause brain damage of varying kinds? Never seen or heard anyone discuss that possibility.

    - - - - - - - - -
    (BMC Neurosci. 2008; 9(Suppl 3): S5
    Intranasal delivery bypasses the blood-brain barrier to target therapeutic agents to the central nervous system and treat neurodegenerative disease
    Leah R Hanson and William H Frey

     Teresa Conrick- to Rick- READ


    Not sure if you are in the business of vaccinating but your comment might reflect that. You should "READ" as you vocally wrote..... this study.....

    Then read these -- carefully. If you have any them. It's not difficult.


    We were very suspicious of the source of the flu our vaccine injured, recovering kids got in 2014 when the labs came back showing types A and B-- the strains in the live nasal flu mist vaccine. My guess is we all caught it in a Walgreens and avoided going into stores and clinics that dispense the live nasal vax. Before the kids were homeschooled, it was obvious that thire tics and OCD would come on after the school did a nasal flu vaccine clinic in the lunch room, even though our kids didn't receive this vaccine. Of course the kids got tics and OCD again from the double flu infection in 2014, but this faded after we chelated the kids. It worked again after they developed tics following exposure to (of all things) rabbits. Don't quote me but we've noted over the years that PANS and PANDAS seem to be facilitated once the kids have built up another load of heavy metals, particularly lead, arsenic and mercury. The polio series on the blog kind of gave us the heads up, though the main reason for chelating was that the kids' labs showed stores of mercury through the roof. So is the equation "Heavy metals + vaccine strain GM rogue pathogens + immune systems already damaged by hyper-vaccination = PANS/PANDAS"? Is PANS/PANDAS an allergic reaction to reexposure to pathogens similar to the rogue GM crap and animal viruses in shots? Or both or something else? We're not sure. There are so many theories. All we know is that once the metals are reduced, there seems to be less immune dysfunction and we see tics and OCD quickly disappearing. Whether the tics and OCD are caused by an overactive immune response or from vaccine strain Frankenbugs hiding under biofilms, no one seems to know. Whatever is the case, getting rid of metals appears to be connected to the fact our kids get over the tic and OCD flares without heavier treatment like IVIG. No guarantee they won't get it again though. Thanks, pharma.


    Not too long ago FluMist was found by vaccine court to be the cause of catastrophic liver failure in a healthy athletic 10yo boy.


    I would love to know more about the whys of - when you take a flu mist, or flu mists kids shedding viruses to other kids -helps in the (am I understanding this right? ) the overgrowth of strep and thus more incidences of PANDAS?

    It must be killing not just the flu viruses but other important viruses, and making more room and opportunity for strep to take over? LOL Strip mining not a forest but the microbiome.

    I guess they were right when they said at the NIH microbiome meeting that vaccines acts like a sledge hammer to all

    Hans Litten

    Rick | October 05, 2016 at 09:36 AM

    Nice one Rick (what rhymes with that ?)

    So the efficacy of the flu vaccine according to Cochrane is no better than 0.5% .
    So how bad it the efficacy of the Flu vaccine . (want to talk about Narcolepsy in Scandi's ?)

    Either way make sure and get your vaccine each and every year without fail .
    One less gives the rest of us who understand some chance of survival .


    I wish people would READ entire articles or studies, not just the headlines and what other idiots post. The reason the CDC recommended against using the LAIV (FluMist, nasal vaccine) is not because it is a danger. It is because for the last 2 flu seasons, it was shown to be significantly less effective than the injectable vaccines. They did not recommend removing it, taking it off the market, or anything other than letting us know you are more likely to be protected with the injectable as opposed to the nasal vaccines.

    Hans Litten

    Posted by: Tami G | October 04, 2016 at 03:29 PM

    Brilliant comment Tami - thanks for the knowledge .

    Cindy Groene | October 04, 2016 at 03:24 PM
    The joke is on all of us , for expecting those scoundrels in positions of power to have ever behaved with any honesty & integrity . The politicians all know all of this , they know what is happening .
    And the media knows the truth of it also , this is an chemical attack on us all .This is no accident .
    We were all innocent , now we are not .

    go Trump

    The flu mist vaccine was once declared “safe and effective,” It is now OFF the market... as “at least pretty damn ineffective.”

    Once again, begins the push for the annual flu shot that has ,,,worn off... from last year. Somehow they are giving them away for “FREE” in many school systems. They love our children.

    As before and forever, the “mercury free shot” has the L in FLU on the package. The L is for Love.

    The shot that “still has mercury” is simply, again... called the FU shot.

    Neither shot works, but they want to “round up the herd of animals” to take them...


    Some years back, a nasal flu vaccine package insert stated that in its product trial at a Minnesota school, a placebo child developed vaccine-strain influenza from her vaccinated peers.

    Apparently no vaccine policymaker bothered to extrapolate that statistic in proportion with the general population. Or they did, but chose to ignore the potential for harm... which seems to be the recklessly harmful modus operandi of the CDC's immunization program management.

    david m burd

    Jenny, you say "(slightly) off topic, but an interesting article about "nonprogressing" HIV in children."

    This is a parallel to our horrendously toxic U.S. Immunization Schedule, with U.S. child deaths registered as SIDS and SUID far greater than the rest of the allotropic World.

    Abundant health stats from outside the U.S. (Canada, European Countries, etc.) for the last 25+ years show that HIV infants & kids NOT receiving the terribly deadly U.S. protocols of toxic antivirals, antiretrovirals, and prophylactic pneumonia drugs like Bactrim continue on to a healthy life - despite testing to be HIV. For instance, Canada the last 13 years registered a single "HIV-associated death", while the U.S. tallied close to 300 (references if curious).

    Of course, some of these infants/kids continue in an unhealthy state as the great majority are born to seriously injection-drug addicted mothers.

    Bottom line: As in vaccines, and as in HIV, don't poison infants and children via toxic shots and toxic medicines, and virtually all will do just fine as long as they are well nourished, and not being killed by iatrogenic vaccine shots and medicines.

    email if you like: [email protected]

    Tami G

    I've been reporting the FluMist connection to PANS/PANDAS since 2011, after, in 2010, my son was seated next to a kid shedding this vaccine and developed catastrophic losses that have taken 6 years to recover from. My formerly almost completely recovered son developed virtually every symptom of PANS (only 2 of the 7 symptoms are needed for a diagnosis- he unfortunately got all 7). There is no dount in my mind that FluMist caused the epidemic of "PANDAS" and "PANS". If I was a guessing person, (and I am) I'd be quite sure the reason they retracted FluMist is that the human study is about to be forthcoming that's going to nail down the truth. Be watching for a study to be published the day before a holiday, or on a Friday, or another "media data dump" day.

    Just to further explain, the FluMist not only changes the microbiome, it colonizes in the nasopharangeal tract, and causes recipients to exhale streptococcal pneumonia serotypes 19f & 7F, and staph with every breathe. In the mice study, it was still shedding a year later. Given that it's colonized (i.e. out of control growth) in nose and throat, this means anyone within breathing, sneezing or coughing distance could be affected. (what's the size of the average classroom? how far does a sneeze travel?) . Personally speaking, my son's tics were "re-triggered" time and time again by being in the same room with kids who got the FluMist- even if those kids had gotten a FluMist a year previously.

    FYI- FluMist can easily breech the BBB, because it contains hydrolyzed pork gelatin, which is made from cartilage, thus, contains glycine of course. Glyphosate is a synthetic glycine, an amino acid, that the body is tricked into accepting as if it is glycine, because it acts and looks like glycine (how tricky, huh?). All non-organic gelatin contains glyphosate due to this glycine/glyphosate exchange, if you will. I have it on good authority that there's no way to prevent Glyphosate contamination from vaccines grown on gelatin, because it's an amino acid- a synthetic amino acid, that's part of our neurotransmitters.

    Cindy Groene

    I am the mom who's son had his initial episode of PANDAS less than 48 hours after flumist in 2009. I took a healthy, neurotypical boy aged 5y9m to his pediatrician for the flumist. I specifically chose it to avoid thimerosol in the injectible form. The joke's on me.

    Teresa Conrick - from a parent...

    From a parent to me-

    "My son's original PANDAS episode came less than 48hrs after flumist in 2009. He was well when I took him in for it. VAERS reported."


    (slightly) off topic, but an interesting article about "nonprogressing" HIV infections in children with the virus but who haven't gotten sick from it.

    Jeannette Bishop

    Thank you, so very informative!

    Maybe the NVICP doesn't with certainty protect pharma if a vaccine is suspected of injuring non-recipients?

    And this historical presentation makes me wonder about the efficacy data, suddenly a "surprising" drop in performance?

    But, with a specific recommendation to not use the vaccine only for this flu season, maybe the CDC simply wants to gather some specific data currently (and maybe the nasal vaccine will be performing better next year)?

    For the injected version of flu vaccine (and maybe all killed virus vaccines), research is also showing greater susceptibility in recipients for other forms of infection and increased susceptibility to flu in following seasons. So, one could argue that all flu vaccine formulations are not helping, but harming "community immunity."


    Thank you for this important reporting Teresa. The live up the nose wasn't withdrawn because it didn't work as the public was told, but because it was dangerous and causing harm.


    Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I had merely been thinking they were unrecommending it because maybe they thought that it since it was a live virus that it was shedding and actually maintaining flu statistics, thereby making all flu vaccines in general look dismally ineffective.

    If a live vaccine in the nose can shift things so dramatically, what does a live vaccine injected in to the body with a needle shift?

    Laura Hayes

    Thank you, Teresa, for yet another important and enlightening (or should I say frightening) article. I will be sharing it!

    Hans Litten

    The Govt\politicians in Scotland have been made aware of all of this .
    And they have turned their noses up at that knowledge and are continuing on with reckless abandon .
    No doubt (and hopefully) there will be a backlash from angry parents North of the border !
    As usual its a damn crime against all the poor innocents who will get maimed (by their own parents) .
    Its an incredibly sad situation and awful times we live in (vaccine damage is everywhere).

    Parents don't all roll up their sleeves for the flu jab but think nothing of subjecting their children , what is going on there ? (Clearly some very devious mind control geek has worked out a unique human trait).

    Verify your Comment

    Previewing your Comment

    This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

    Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
    Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

    The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

    As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

    Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.


    Post a comment

    Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

    Your Information

    (Name and email address are required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)