Vaccination & Segregation
It isn’t often that I can’t come up with a topic to write about for a Sunday’s post, but this week, after days of brainstorming, nothing satisfied me. Not wanting to waste any precious time, on Friday morning I cruised through Google news to see if anything there grabbed my attention. Something did. But it wasn’t the pro-vaccine article that grabbed my eye and got my wheels spinning. It was someone’s comment that piqued my interest.
Paraphrased, an obviously very pro-vaccine individual told another commenter, who happened to have a vaccine-injured child, that Parents like you who choose to not vaccinate should not be allowed to mingle with the public.
As terrible as that comment sounded, I wasn’t shocked. I kept reading.
Other pro-vaccine commenters began to leave similar messages. They were in agreement and clarified that The Unvaccinated should be barred from public schools, from stores, and from society in general.
They continued:
The Unvaccinated should be corralled into their own society.
With the hopes that child protective services would soon pay a visit.
And maybe the sheriff, too.
Why?
To take unvaccinated children away and to arrest The Unvaccinated’s uneducated parents who willingly choose to expose the public to disease.
Because it’s unfair for vaccinated people to be subjected to The Unvaccinated, that’s why!
Even though The Unvaccinated cannot magically infect other humans no matter how fantastical an idea that is.
Image source: Natural Mother Magazine FB page
The belief that The Unvaccinated are icky and selfish and enchanted spreaders of disease is off-base especially when it’s the vaccinated who are not as immune as they have been lead to believe. Just last week, we learned that once again, another “outbreak” of a vaccine-preventable disease - this time the mumps, has included individuals who were vaccinated for…wait for it, wait for it…the mumps! Despite that undeniable fact, comments toward The Unvaccinated continued to be full of unwarranted accusations.
Ironically, the vaccinated and unvaccinated have been living and breathing alongside each other for quite some time. I’m sure it wasn’t all peace and harmony in the past when the topic of vaccines was broached, but they’ve lived side-by-side. Not only that, somehow they survived. Sure, people likely had strong opinions about disease and vaccines then as they do now. And sure, people also more than likely disagreed about those topics then as they do now. But now, with multiple social media platforms and countless online article comment sections open to anyone who has access to the internet, everyone can share their thoughts wherever and whenever they want, nice or otherwise.
Many do share their thoughts. Sadly, it isn’t just a random thought or a strong opinion being offered; it’s a vicious attack.
It’s too bad that that happens because many who chose to maintain an unvaccinated status clearly have well-thought out reasons supporting their choice. Likewise, those who wish to fully vaccinate themselves or their children have their own supporting reasons as well.
Each side, for lack of a better term, is so very passionate. It isn’t too often that I see it, but I think that each side could quite easily meet in the middle. How?
By sharing personal stories.
By having discussion.
By reviewing studies together.
By listening to opposing viewpoints.
By trying to agree to disagree.
All that’s been done before and continues to be done as I witnessed late Friday morning while reading. Sometimes exchanges end with positive results. Other times - like that recent thread of comments left on that random article I chose to read - not so much.
Knowing it was a pro-vaccine article even before I opened the link, I told myself not to go near the comments, but I was curious. So I read them. All of them. Now, I could have been all sorts of sad and frustrated knowing that a handful of pro-vaccine commenters continued to have zero respect for parents like me, but when I reread their posts, I thought, Hey! These guys might actually have a good idea.
Hear me out.
Remember one of them suggested that The Unvaccinated should be corralled into their own society? Knowing what I know about The Unvaccinated and how they’re years ahead of Science and also so very knowledgeable when it comes to natural health options, I don’t think kicking us out of society is a bad idea.
I think it’s a great idea!
After we’re shuttled off and settled in, I imagine the space that The Unvaccinated would be calling home would evolve into a ‘green’ initiative. With all of us working together, it would be holistic, therapeutic and cultivated for organic gardening. It would be free of what ails The Unvaccinated – things like gluten, dairy and toxic chemicals. It would be free of other things, too, like situations of having to defend my stance on a particular topic that’s now constantly referred to as controversial. I’d be free to have respectful conversations about vaccines and such, but I don’t think I’d spend too much time on that. I would instead focus my efforts on other topics like healing my child. With the help of some of the hardest working parents I’ve ever encountered, who are also not allowed to mingle with the public, I know that healing really could happen.
Free to be in a place to think and do what’s best for my vaccine-injured child isn’t terrible. It would be an oasis. Would I miss anything from the real world though? Of course.
If ever I do find myself sent to a concentration camp-like setting that one the pro-vaccine commenter suggested I and other parents belong, I’d miss those closest to me who don’t view vaccines as I do. I’d love nothing more than to have them join The Unvaccinated. Our opinions differ. Our vaccine statuses differ, too. That could happen but not until our major differences in opinion ceased. Unlike the pro-vaccine commenters, though, at least my friends are respectful of my opinion that vaccines are not entirely safe or entirely effective.
Friends I have may not like my opinion, but they respect it. So, yes, if I became a castoff, I’d miss them dearly. But after reading the hateful, negative comments online the other day, and after the week of vaccine-injury and autism-hell that Ronan’s been through – the seizure activity, the public meltdowns, the unfortunate communication struggles – well, if pro-vaccine commenters are willing to send me away to a community where parents like me and families like mine can live in peace, I’ll take it.
Cathy Jameson is a Contributing Editor for Age of Autism.
What I can't get my head wrapped around is the fact that an "unavoidably unsafe" pharmaceutical compound is indemnified and an "unavoidably unsafe" person is not indemnified.
Posted by: Birgit Calhoun | September 19, 2016 at 05:41 PM
Autism just went UP in Ca. in a few months since mandatory vaccine laws were passed requiring vaccines and the vulnerable kids-the kindergartners have succumbed to a 17% increase in Autism. When will this be in mainstream news? How about when the schools go bankrupt solely on this issue or when taxes again sore to pay for this man made dilemma? Anyone..anyone??
http://althealthworks.com/10539/autism-rates-in-california-jumped-17-since-the-mandatory-vaccination-bill-passesyelena/
Posted by: Shelley Tzorfas | September 19, 2016 at 05:05 PM
NAR at CON
You are thinking about the vaccine issue from your deep programming. Medical myths die hard and people who are hardwired to believe in those myths go the same way.
If Vaccines work than what's the problem? Are you aware that in 2014 3% of children in the US are fully unvaccinated. That means that a minimum of 97% of the childhood population is either fully or partially vaccinated. Herd Immunity is a myth. Just based on this the entire country should be free of any childhood illness but it isn't. Also, Baby Boomers have not had shots in decades and millions of teen have not had boosters. No Epidemics. Herd Immunity shot down again. So with 97% of the childhood population vaccinated why have there been outbreaks of illness in highly vaccinated populations? Currently there is a mumps outbreak across the country. Here are the stats:
Mumps cases in 2016:
Harvard University: Spring 2016-41 cases. All 41 fully vaccinated.
Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, CT.Spring 2016. 8 cases all fully vaccinated
Indiana University: 63
Purdue: 31
IUPUI: 5
Butler University: 24
All of the above are vaccinated and considered to be immune yet these people were infected. Here's an update from an Oklahoma outbreak of Mumps: UPDATE: Some in suspected mumps outbreak were vaccinated - http://www.enidnews.com/news/local_news/update-some-in-suspected-mumps-outbreak-were-vaccinated/article_47c989a4-7b67-11e6-8e84-dffe3f42c206.html.
Here is some special propaganda that Pro-Choice/Anti-Vaxx people are reading that you are not:
-Study titled: “Acellular Pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that “current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. Pertussis. (there is no vaccine for Bordetella Pertussis bacteria) http://www.pnas (dot) org/content/111/2/787.
Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. Pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying: “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.” According to Tod Merkel of the FDA, it has now become clear that the vaccine does almost nothing to prevent the spread of whooping cough. Although it does seem to prevent about 80 percent of people from showing symptoms of the disease, it does not prevent them from catching it or spreading it.
-Study: Whooping cough resurgence due to vaccinated people not knowing they’re infectious? clinicalnews(dot)org/2015/06/24/study-whooping-cough-resurgence-due-to-vaccinated-people-not-knowing-theyre-infectious/comment-page-1/. From study/article:
“a detailed epidemiological model of whooping cough transmission to conclude that acellular vaccines may well have contributed to — even exacerbated — the recent pertussis outbreak by allowing infected individuals without symptoms to unknowingly spread pertussis multiple times in their lifetimes.
‘There could be millions of people out there with just a minor cough or no cough spreading this potentially fatal disease without knowing it,’ said Althouse. ‘The public health community should act now to better assess the true burden of pertussis infection.’ What’s worse, their model shows that if the disease can be spread through vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals essentially undetected.
Better yet here is some really special propaganda"
Meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors, Office of Infectious Diseases Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Tom Harkins Global Communication Center Atlanta, Georgia December 11-12, 2013.
FDA issued a warning regarding this crucial finding. Furthermore, the 2013 meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors at the CDC revealed additional alarming data that pertussis variants (PRN negative strains) currently circulating in the USA acquired a selective advantage to infect those who are up to date for their DTap boosters (see appendix) for the CDC document Item#3), meaning that people who are up to date are more likely to be infected and thus contagious than people who are not vaccinated. http://www.cdc.gov/maso/facm/pdfs/bscoid/2013121112_bscoid_minutes.pdf
Measles vaccine also doesn't work Who says so: Dr. Gregory Poland of the Mayo Clinic:
-Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons. Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215 (Notice the date on this study-CDC knew in 1994 that the vaccine wasn't working).
-The measles vaccine has failed",(this is in the body of the article) he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” "In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. This is unexpected and a worrisome harbinger — measles outbreaks are occurring where they are least expected,” he wrote in his 2012 paper, listing the “surprising numbers of cases occurring in persons who previously received one or even two documented doses of measles-containing vaccine.” During the 1989-1991 U.S. outbreaks, 20% to 40% of those affected had received one to two doses. In a 2011 outbreak in Canada, “over 50% of the 98 individuals had received two doses of measles vaccine.”
Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/
http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/.
Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.
Polio: In 1976, Dr Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950's, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960's to 2000) was the “principal if not sole cause” of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 (Washington Post,September 24,1976). The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues ( American Academy of Pediatrics, Report of the Committee on Infectious Diseases:1986 (Elk Grove Village, Illinois: AAP):284–5.
-In February 1992 the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States (Strebel PM., et al. Epidemiology of poliomyletis in U.S. n 1992, one decade after the last reported case of indigenous wild virus associated disease, Clinical Infectious Diseases CDC, February 1992:568–79).
Smallpox: Dr. Mack's presentation to the CDC June 19-20, 2002. http://www.vaclib.org/news/drmacks.htm. ( entire speech is at this link. Cogent statements are presented here)
"the trade-off is with smallpox, and I'd just like to point out that not only is it a nasty syndrome, but the case fatality is probably less than is usually advertised."
"In fact, were there no smallpox eradication program, my guess is that smallpox would have died out anyway, it just would have taken a lot longer."
Below is the most important statement that sinks your statement:
"If people are worried about endemic smallpox, it disappeared from this country not because of our mass herd immunity. It disappeared because of our economic development. And that's why it disappeared from Europe and many other countries, and it will not be sustained here, even if there were several importations, I'm sure. It's not from universal vaccination."
Dr. Tom Mack is the foremost authority on Smallpox in the world. He has studied on site in third world countries for decades and I believe his input on the dangers of the vaccine is what prevented the bush administration from mandating mass vaccination with it in 2002.
Diphtheria: Seriously. There have 103 deaths from Diphtheria since 1970 and there is NO scientific data that confirms that the low death rate is due to a vaccine. Transmission of diphtheria can occur in vaccinated individuals who become asymptomatic carriers of the disease as a result of the vaccine. The CDC recommends adults get booster shots every 10 years. As of September 1, 2015, there had been 5,174 claims filed in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for injuries and deaths following Diphtheria vaccination, including 839 deaths and 4,335 serious injuries.
"The eradication of diphtheria will not come through the serum treatment of patients, by the immunization of the well, or through the accurate clinical and laboratory diagnosis of the case and the carrier followed by quarantine; rather it will be attained through the mass sanitary protection of the populace subconsciously practiced by the people at all times." (JAMA, 1922, p. 682.)
The diphtheria toxoid vaccine (also contained in the DTaP vaccine) is not designed to prevent colonization and transmission of C. diphtheriae. Vaccinating for diphtheria cannot alter the safety of public spaces. It is believed to protect the individual but like Tetanus being infected with diphtheria will not prevent you from being infected again and you are contagious.
NAR at COR
-please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations.
-please provide a science based double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
-please provide scientific evidence on ANY science based study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
-please provide scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections.
-please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating.
Epidemiological studies and studies tested by the people who manufacture or profits from them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analyzed using techniques which are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments are not acceptable.
I have some other questions but this is a good start.
Posted by: Danchi | September 19, 2016 at 04:53 PM
Grace Green! I think you have hit the nail on the head. I think people need to get exemptions for being mercury-poisoned. I know three of my children were mercury-poisoned, or should I say are allergic to mercury. My first-born got 30 amalgams inserted into his teeth before he was 3 years old. The second was found to be full of mercury when he was ~ 40 years old and went through chelation therapy. My third son was poisoned by a broken tube when he was tube fed as a premature infant at age 5 days old. He was most severely affected. He never talked. He was a complete disaster. I suppose I would be able to say they are all "allergic" to mercury. In these days allergy gets good attention (I am not sarcastic here). I mean it. As we know people with allergies can die of anaphylactic shock.
My main point here is: There needs to be a vaccine exemption for kids who are allergic to whatever it might be in a vaccine (chick embryos, mercury, egg products etc.). And maybe people who have the APOE4 allele as part of there genetic make-up.
Posted by: Birgit Calhoun | September 19, 2016 at 02:15 PM
As a matter of interest, how many people here have a local group of like-minded families they belong to? I have a feeling that all the autistic families near me would either be adult "neurotribers" or families who are certain their child's autism wasn't caused by vaccines. Maybe we should change our campaign name to The Mercury Poisoned to attract new members.
Posted by: Grace Green | September 19, 2016 at 12:06 PM
Yes!
WHERE DO I SIGN UP!?!?!
Posted by: Michelle | September 19, 2016 at 10:15 AM
Maybe being segregated wouldn't be so bad. Maybe this could be the basis for forming an intentional community that insulates itself from the negativity and lack of insight on the risks of vaccination. Maybe the segregation would give the community the ability to address the issues in their own way, with their own rules, etc. Maybe the segregation could be big enough to form a town or even a city. Personally, I see some benefit in congregating physically. The numbers of those affected at this point lend itself to many possibilities. Why not?
Posted by: Tracy Ligtenberg | September 19, 2016 at 08:43 AM
"What on earth does that say on that label?!"
Mental Deficiency Act 1913- Ethical and Moral defictives
The Act defined 4 types of Mental Defective
One hundred years later and look at the state of the latest Guidelines /Directive from European Head Office.
How to respond to Vaccine deniers ,devient's?, and non-compliant? moral defectives at a puplic meeting.
The only thing that's changed is different haircut, different style of shirt and shoes, but same old colour and pattern on the wallpaper.
Posted by: Morag MacDonald Lyons | September 19, 2016 at 07:56 AM
The problem of massive poisoning of Americans with toxic vaccines will disappear soon, when the US will collapse under the weight of people brain damaged and physically crippled by vaccines. Then criminal pharma mafias will also disappear, as there will be no normal people to develop more toxic vaccines, and whole fascist medical system will collapse. Idiots US politicians and criminal medical bureaucrats will be then proud of their achievements.
Posted by: no-vac | September 18, 2016 at 11:21 PM
Benjamin,
I'm waiting for buttons, T-shirts and caps to be awarded to compliant parents that read:
"I risked the life of my child for you.
Individual risk is a necessary part of public health"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/02/12/the-polio-vaccine-killed-my-father-but-thats-not-a-reason-to-oppose-vaccines/?tid=a_inl
Posted by: ATSC | September 18, 2016 at 10:31 PM
NAR at COR: "those of us vaccinated in the 50s and 60s against smallpox, polio, diphtheria, etc. did not fear those diseases because we were !!vaccinated!! "
That's true but everyone thought back then that being vaccinated meant the same as being immunised. Perhaps when too many of the "fully-immunised" were getting the diseases, they had to admit that vaccines didn't always work, and that 1, 2, 3, 4 or a lifetime of booster shots are required. So much for the 'Stop Measles with Just One Shot' posters of the 80s.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/visualculture/infectious30.html
"Why don't parents whose children are vaccinated feel that their children are protected against any disease their children encounter? "
Because more parents today are aware of vaccine failure, and they can't be certain that their well-vaccinated children are immune.
Posted by: ATSC | September 18, 2016 at 10:28 PM
Reader and Nar at Cor,
Reader, I think you were unkind. I agree with Nar, who correctly said that if children are vaxxed, then why do they fear the unvaxxed? That is certainly the question du jour. When I got our dog, I was afraid every time I took her out, fearing parvo virus in all the dog poop I saw near the sidewalk. When I saw raccoons stagger on our deck with distemper, I was terrified Polly might catch it, and didn't let her in the back yard for a couple of months. I vaxxed her according to the conservative Jean Dodds protocol, and our vet was nice enough to order the single distemper and parvo vaccines that Dodds recommended, also her rabies vaccine. I also gave her homeopathic nosodes from Dr. Aleks Mikic, an online homeopathic vet who wrote an e-book about homeoprophylaxis for dogs. And now I'm no longer afraid. We had a young raccoon about a month ago that came down with distemper. I put some of the distemperinum in the water on the deck and at the front door (she had recommended doing that when I told her I was worried about the sick raccoons last year), and also put some in a can of cat food I put out for him. My neighbor asked if I were not worried that Polly might catch distemper from him, and I said no, I'm confident that between the two distemper shots I got for her and the nosodes, that she could not catch distemper from him.
I agree that most pets are way overvaccinated and it has caused the modern epidemics of cancer and autoimmune disease, also fearfulness and aggressiveness in so many pets today. I think, though, that two each of the basic puppy and kitten vaccines (distemper, parvo, and rabies for dogs, the three-way distemper combo and rabies for cats) are an extremely good idea for pets that ever go outside. After that, no further vaccines are necessary for the life of the pet. Distemper in any species, parvo, and rabies are horrifying diseases, and they can be prevented with vaccines. The secret is to not go overboard.
Posted by: ciaparker | September 18, 2016 at 10:04 PM
You take easily argue the converse, since children vaccinated with live vaccines routinely shed infectious viruses.
http://www.nvic.org/cmstemplates/nvic/pdf/live-virus-vaccines-and-vaccine-shedding.pdf Some live attenuated vaccines include the MMR, Rotavirus, and Polio vaccines. I think the vaccinated should be treated like lepers if anyone is.Posted by: Narad | September 18, 2016 at 09:31 PM
Issue them with an exciting badge for their community services, engraved 'Sheriff of Pro-Vax County'.
Posted by: Benjamin | September 18, 2016 at 06:49 PM
NAR at COR,
part of me really can't be bothered to answer you because you are simply so uniformed. A good many veterinarians now realize that animals are being over vaccinated. There are many scientific articles to be found on this. Look up some for yourself.
As to persons in the 50's or 60's having had vaccines and being perfectly fine, you are clearly not aware of this issue. Presently, a young infant receives far, far greater number of vaccinations than we did. It's not even a comparison. Did you get Hep B vaccine at birth? Yearly flu shots...
If you'll notice, as the infectious disease incidence has gone down, auto-immune diseases have been very much on the rise. Sky rocketing (lupus, crohns). I somehow don't think you are truly interested in what the reality is these days, though.
Posted by: Reader | September 18, 2016 at 06:14 PM
The present state of the vaccine industry is getting far beyond what even the “shrug and play stupid” American news media should put up with...
The media refuses to cover the Dr. Thompson story / stating the CDC destroyed damning data on the MMR vaccine.
They refuse to cover the Dr. Thorsen of Denmark story / stealing funds from the CDC and producing “bullshit tobacco science” vaccine safety “study after study....”
They have never covered Simpsonwood / where the CDC met in secret for two days to discuss the “off the chart” association between thimerosal and Autism.
The refuse to cover SIDS / 3,500 deaths a year mostly in the 2-6 month age range. They worry about the return of the “killer measles.”
They do not cover the FACT that the USA has Autism rates 50 to 100 times higher than many other countries.
We have a health care system that costs twice as much as any other nation that does not cover everyone. They claim it is the “best in the world” because once in a while, a Saudi prince will come to NYC and pay $500,000 for some sort of surgery. Everyone should be happy with their $200 a week / $5000 deductible health care insurance program
For some reason, the media covers every case of the measles & every case of “OMG Zika pandemic.”
They refuse to cover the 160+ new cases of Autism each and every day.
Posted by: go Trump | September 18, 2016 at 03:12 PM
Grace: I agree with you - the comments of some are so over the top, only a paid shill could say those things. BUT, there are many people who are not paid by industry that feed off of the hatred, and like nothing better to dog-pile on when an attack is taking place. So they add to the negative and hateful comments. They like that chest-thumping, holier-than-thou feeling of demanding "anti-vaxers" be banned from society. They aren't coming from a place of knowledge on the subject, they are just your average run of the mill a$$hole. There are a lot more of those than paid shills. But they multiply the paid shills work by a thousand fold, and they do it for free.
Posted by: Sylvia | September 18, 2016 at 02:07 PM
On the subject of pharma shills paid to direct public opinion, check this out:
http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/09/09/64524/experts-say-dr-sears-offers-bad-advice-on-vaccine/#comment-2903418621
Several shills fighting tooth and nail in public, admitting their allegiance and connections. One group hired by a pharma company through Liquid Logic in March 2015 to push through SB277 had some of its members take control of Disqus moderation boards. For the last year and a half, they have used stealth blocking as well as moderator jail and outright deletion of civil, acceptable comments to censor the discussion. And now Zogby/Ivan Forsch, one of the rogue moderators, has riled another shill by stealth blocking and jailing a fellow shill's comments, over a problem a year ago involving disagreement about HIPAA phrasing or something.
They are now accusing each other and fighting over who created many fake accounts in a friend's name to mock her and post fake comments last year. Liquid Logic is majorly into porn, and they put several porn clips on my FB page, several pornographic nyms on my Skype account wanting me to put them on my contact list, Cap'n Jack sent out a shout-out to have his cronies load my Twitter account with dozens of porn videos (I had to just delete the account), and Zogby drew my attention a few months ago to a fake Twitter account he had created in my name. He also created similar fake accounts for at least three fellow commenters I know, one of them loaded with gay porn. It has been reported to Twitter several times in the past few months, but they're still there.
This is mine: https://twitter.com/ciaparker2/likes
Zogby humorously gave me the link and said Girlfriend, you don't look too good. You need to spend a weekend at a spa! They'd had a guy with a wig and a grin sort of imitate my real avatar photo, lots of photos and gifs of silly pets and clueless people.
One of the shills said he reported it over a week ago, but that fortunately it hadn't had anything new put on it in a long time. But now it has something added on Sept 14, again, what a card Zogby is!
Posted by: ciaparker | September 18, 2016 at 01:53 PM
Obviously the propaganda machine has been working overtime and inducing these engineered, non-rational thought processes.
If a dog owner vaccinates their dog, he believes it is to protect his dog from dogs which are not vaccinated and perhaps infected with a disease. The dog owner breathes a sigh of relief in knowing his dog is safely protected when his dog meets other dogs.
I don't get it. Why don't parents whose children are vaccinated feel that their children are protected against any disease their children encounter? It must be that "special propaganda" which causes irrational thought.
After all, those of us vaccinated in the 50s and 60s against smallpox, polio, diphtheria, etc. did not fear those diseases because we were !!vaccinated!! (Different topic: even though many of us now suffer from injected toxins from those shots.)
Posted by: NAR at COR | September 18, 2016 at 01:34 PM
Parents like you who choose to not vaccinate should not be allowed to mingle with the public.
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Shame there isn't a vaccine for stupidity.
Then again, what good would that do. Since there hasn't been a vaccine yet that has prevented an illness of any kind.
I actually love comments like these, because you know there coming from paid trolls. And the more they spout this ridiculous nonsense, the more people they attract to the truth they're trying to bury.
Posted by: Barry | September 18, 2016 at 01:23 PM
It looks increasingly to me like the intent in California is to maybe only briefly segregate and then forcibly assimilate.
The irony is that the latest research seems to suggest that vaccination often (maybe always) increases the overall vulnerability of "the herd" (from Suzanne Humphries "Vaccination Re-education" videos on her youtube channel).
Posted by: Jeannette Bishop | September 18, 2016 at 01:04 PM
You guys are missing the point.
They don't spend a second concerning themselves over the germs that uncaccinated children might have.
What they care about is your decision itself.
It scares the hell out of them because they can't help but think "what do they know but I don't? "
Our choice makes them question theirs. And they only vaccinated because everybody else did. So if there are a few who didn't then it means that they might just have poisoned their child for nothing.
That is why they use this bullying and intimidation. Because they want you to "choose" as they did to make themselves feel better about their own decision.
The only response is to demonstrate their hypocrisy in the most brutal fashion possible.
Tell them their fear of sick people means that they shouldn't be allowed to take their children to the doctor. And if they ever show up to work feeling under the weather then they should immediately be thrown in prison for being a danger to society.
Posted by: rtp | September 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM
It makes me wonder whether these people making such comments are in reality Pharma shills. It's SO illogical. As the child of a pharmacologist I received all (3) of my childhood vaccines but my parents were very good friends with a Quaker family who didn't believe in vaccinations. Us kids were never told not to play with their children!
Posted by: Grace Green | September 18, 2016 at 11:37 AM
Hi Cathy,
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it."
Please try not to get yourself too upset by people who do not believe in vaccine injury.
They are interpreting their experience as we are interpreting ours and hopefully, they
will never have to see their child anything but well.
Having said that, more and more parents are becoming aware of vaccine injuries daily and are joining the vaccine choice movement. Please educate your Congressmen and Senators concerning vaccine injury as they are the lawmakers in charge of the decisions about our national healthcare and most are TOTALLY CLUELESS about the risks of mass vaccination.
At this time, one in every six children and some estimate one in every 4 children, have some sort of disability. America cannot sustain this kind of population. School systems are becoming bankrupted and insurance costs are sky-rocketing while not even covering a lot of the services our children need. I can't believe that Congress isn't crawling all over this issue!
Interesting reading that pro-vaccine parents will probably never know:
Lab testing confirms: Vaccines are contaminated with glyphosate http://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccines-glyphosate-1973.html
Greedy Incentives - Doing the job once and getting paid twice
Blue Cross/Blue Shield pays doctors a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating (with 10 vaccines)100 patients under the age of 2.
If the doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000….and it goes up from there. The benchmark is a 63% compliance rate in the medical practice and the bonus is all-or-nothing. Check out page 15.
http://whale.to/c/2016-BCN-BCBSM-Incentive-Program-Booklet.pdf
https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/
Posted by: Autism Mom | September 18, 2016 at 11:03 AM
Cathy, if you meant this as Swiftian irony, it's very clever. But we have seen this kind of propaganda strategy used in the past. First, demonize a marginalized group using disease metaphors (eg, compare them to a "virus"). Second, make them easily identifiable, using either computerized medical records or yellow stars. Third, set up a totalitarian system of enforcement that disregards personal liberties and exercises arbitrary power, such as the CDC's recent proposed "rules changes" regarding the apprehension of undervaccinated travelers. Fourth, ghettoization. And I don't have to tell you what the final step is.
Posted by: Jonathan Rose | September 18, 2016 at 09:33 AM
The intolerance of vaccine believers, of course, is a byproduct of fear and fear is proof that industry propaganda works. How odd it is, in this case, that the scared parents are very likely no more immunized than the unvaccinated children they fear. Herd immunity is a myth, but herd mentality is a full-blown epidemic.
Posted by: Brett Wilcox | September 18, 2016 at 08:15 AM
I still don't get it. America has a massive tourist industry from all over the globe. Does everyone adult or child visiting California now have to endure enforced vaccination also??? Business men and women?
Posted by: Patricia Pratt | September 18, 2016 at 07:28 AM