Measles Genotype strain was B3 has been know to the WHO and the CDC since 1990. Genotype B3 has been in the US since 2005 when it was brought into the US via a young man from Africa:
On November 9, 2005, a 17-year-old man who arrived at the airport in Newark, New Jersey, United States, had symptoms consistent with measles. The man was part of a group of 148 refugees from the Eastleigh community in Nairobi, Kenya, who arrived in the United States from November 3 through 15. Genotype B3 (subgroup B3.1) was identified from virus samples from this patient; the sequence was identical to sequences from measles viruses collected in Nairobi and Machakos, Kenya, in October 2005. Identical Genotype B3 Sequences from Measles Patients in 4 Countries, 2005. PDF. Who knows how many other people have come to the country prior to 2005 carrying B3 as we know a person can be asymptomatic but still be contagious and a carrier.

The following 19 genotypes have been detected since 1990:
A*, B2, B3, C1, C2, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, G2, G3, H1, H2

*Vaccine strains Moraten, Edmonston, Zagreb are all genotype A.
There were 2 putative wild-type cases of measles identified as genotype A in 2008.
During 2011, 8 genotypes were identified by global surveillance:
B2, B3, D4, D8, D9, D11, G3, H1

The vaccine Genotype is said to be A. The CDC and all it surrogates made a point of saying the current vaccine was effective against Genotype B3 when the people questioned the effectiveness of the vaccine. Especially once it was discovered that Vaccinated people were among the infected. Think about. If the current vaccine in use is said to be effective against B3 or any of the other Genotypes, there must be some element of that Genotype in it to work otherwise the CDC and the pharmaceutical industry are committing FRAUD. The current vaccine is targeted for A but B3 has been circulating as reported by the WHO since 1990. It is the MERCK vaccine that is used around the world because they hold the MMR patent. So either the MMR has elements of B3 and all the other Genotypes in it to which in the mind of the CDC would make it effective against all the Genotypes or it’s BS. My money is on BS. We know that Disney employees immunizations records were checked to see when and if they had been vaccinated and those that weren’t were at the time. Two things here: the CHD never stated when the people were vaccinated prior to employment. If being current on shots was a criteria for employment were some of the recently hired vaccinated within the last few months of the outbreak? Holiday workers come to mind. You also got those people that got vaccinated who worked at Disney because they were told to when the outbreak started-both groups are contagious.

The kicker of this is the CDC’s Dr. Ann Schuchat has stated that PATIENT ZERO, who the CDC and the corporate bought media blamed on a unvaccinated person, HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND. Which means they don't know where the measles began.
Yes, B3 is a wild strain from the other side of the world that made it to the US in 2005. The CDC carefully frames it’s statements and because the MSM is hardwired to follow orders and the public at large is hardwired to feed into the CDC’s fear mongering all they need to say is Genotype B3 is from the Philippines and leave it at that. Especially if the MSM doesn’t ask questions and we know they don’t. Because the brain has the need to make sense of information it hears or reads it will find a way to process what it’s given. B3- measles-Philippines-person not found, OH! the person who had measles B3 is from the Philippines and now because the CDC can’t find them-they must have gone back.

I looked at this as one of those EIS psy-ops. Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) a little know dept of the CDC, according to Jon Rapport “they create disinformation on a scale that must make the CIA jealous“. EIS has been in existence since 1956. CDC has turned a benign childhood illness into a devastating deadly disease through carefully constructed propaganda pushed by some of the country noted officials (so-called) on infectious diseases-you know the celebrity docs. It seems to be the last two generations of parents under the age of 40-45 that have been conned. They are scared to death of every germ, bacteria, every cough, dirt, sneeze, rash, you name it. The CDC has made their minds fertile for manipulation. Measles killer disease. Exotic Measles Genotype B3 from the Philippines- a far away land that’s part of the third world where disease run rampant and people are dropping like flies every day. Remember Ebola? People were dying in the streets supposeably. This is the imagery people have about the Philippines or any country considered third world. The visual mental emotional impact that people can juice up for themselves is mind boggling. Add to it pictures of children like this baby - Genotype Testing Showed Baltimore Baby’s Symptoms Were A Reaction To The MMR, Health Officials Relieved http://www.inquisitr.com/1801210/genotype-baltimore-mmr/. That just ratches up the fear. I can’t tell you how many times I saw this poor child’s picture used between December 2015 and the end of the outbreak.
Notice how they call this a reaction to the MMR. Yea, because the MMR causes Measles and this is a typical case of the CDC diagnosis a measles case as something other than measles when it clear this is measles. CDC can lab confirm B3 but without Patient Zero who may well have been vaccinated prior to visiting the park can they really say that B3 didn’t come from a vaccine? Like I said if Genotype A vaccine is effective against B3 it must have some elements of B3 to work. But no one will ever know because Patient Zero hasn’t been found. I personally don’t think they really looked because if you look at the events that happened almost immediately after the false flag event-the implementation of mandatory vaccine proposals in 50 state capitals across the US-it’s too damn convenient.

Also Cia keep in mind you really don’t need an infected person to start an outbreak. Genotype B3 could have easily been seeded in the park by operatives of the CDC. The so called Measles virus can survive a couple for hours on a surface under the right conditions. The US government has been doing human experiments on the people in the country since the 1930’s. Example is the Zika hoax. The US military dropped hundreds of thousands of Aedes Aegypti Mosquitoes on Florida & Georgia said to be infected with Yellow Fever in Florida & Georgia in 1956. Did they ever check for Zika-No because it was determined to be a benign illness. So they can’t say some of the Aedes were not infected. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects. So they know Zika is in the US and where are they actively spraying to eradicate this species-Florida and other Southern states-near where they did the testing because they know the species is there. Is there a connection between Brazil and the US or is it just a happy coincidence that Aedes, which has been in that part of the country since 1956 (I’m sure they didn’t all fly away) just happened to be the US epicenter of a so-called outbreak. Aedes has probably been all over the US since 1956-everyone who has been bitten by a mosquito probably has antibodies so another coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences. What’s at stake 1.9 Billion. Plus the money left over from Ebola.

Danchi,

But look at the frequency of the live polio vaccine causing polio: literally one in several million doses. I really wouldn't let a one in a million to several million risk deter me from doing anything.

I agree that the acellular pertussis vaccine is worthless: the whole-cell vaccine was much better at preventing pertussis, although it not infrequently caused brain damage, seizure disorders, or death, while the disease had become less and less dangerous until, when Sweden stopped using it in 1979 (until 1997), there was less than one death a year from pertussis, although vaccine researcher Arthur Allen said that 60% of Swedish children got pertussis in those years. It had been a huge killer in the nineteenth century, even among healthy, well-nourished children, but evolved, like measles and scarlet fever, to become much less dangerous. It only prevents pertussis in about half of toddlers and preschoolers (in no infants because their immune system hasn't developed enough to respond as desired to it), and only in a quarter of elementary-school children. My eight month old baby, who had gotten three DTaPs, got it and gave it to me. A tiring, scary disease, ten coughs per breath, for a long time, but not dangerous. The fourth dose at 18 months erased her only words and she was diagnosed with autism two months later. Still causes asthma, allergies, seizure disorders, and SIDS, in addition to autism and many other conditions. It's not worth arguing about. No one should get it at any age. Keep young infants sheltered at home and treat with high-dose IV vitamin C if they get it anyway.

The measles in California two years ago was from a Philippine strain, not the vaccine strain. But again, no one should get the measles vaccine. It's very dangerous, while the disease very rarely is, and if it were treated appropriately (vitamin A, no fever reducers, complete bed rest, adequate hydration, and stay quiet at home for two to three weeks after day the rash appears), there would be almost no complications from it.

I think it's interesting that many say that they believe that immune cells become committed when they latch onto a vaccine pathogen and are henceforward not free to latch onto anything else, so that a tremendous amount of immune system capacity is used up in taking care of vaccine pathogens, possibly as much as 70% of total capacity. Also that antigens themselves are highly allergenic, creating autoimmune diseases (another mechanism by which vaccines often cause autoimmune disease).

I think if we have live viruses in our bloodstream it's because our immune system has been compromised, often by vaccines. Healthy people don't carry live viruses in their blood: their immune systems efficiently wipe them out. People with weak immune systems are more prone to develop the actual diseases from live virus vaccines: healthy people are unlikely to.

Cia, why don't you find us the data that is not subject to pro-treatment bias that demonstrates that any vaccine has ever worked?

By that I mean, data compiled from diagnoses made by doctors that had no idea about the vaccination status of the patient.

That is why we have the "double" in "double blind trial". If the doctor knows the patient has received the treatment then this will skew their diagnoses leading to useless data.

But the data you use to claim "90 per cent efficacy" is not double blind so it is simply not valid.

I have already proven that doctors are actually instructed/encouraged to ignore the possibility of these diseases if they are vaccinated but even without this the bias would be expected. So where is your or Eindecker's data showing that there has been an actual fall in any of these diseases that can't be attributed to this?

Indeed, you can actually use proxy data to see that my contention is absolutely correct.

If measles had truly fallen then so too would its complications (*overall* encephalitis, deafness etc).

But they have not. Obviously those blamed on measles have (as you would expect if my contention were true) but not overall.

Same for polio vaccine vs overall rates of paralysis.

Or mumps vaccine vs overall rates of sterility.

So we know the data is heavily biased towards the vaccine and all the data that is not biased towards the vaccine shows precisely zero benefits.

How anybody can realise this and not recognise that every claim about their efficacy is an abject lie is beyond me.

rtp

Danchi, I don't have a problem with most of what you said, but 20 per cent of 10,000 is 2000 not 200.

Thanks for the correction. Sometimes when you hit a key with long fingernails the key doesn't compress completely.

CIA:
Measles is still UNIVERSAL and will continue to be so as long as the vaccine is used. Endemic Measles is just about wiped out but vaccine strains are alive and well. The Vaccine was never develop to PREVENT a child from getting the measles the idea was to prevent a sever reaction or death which was ridiculous because the number of measles deaths had significantly declined before the vaccine was developed. How is a vaccine going to prevent a virus when you are being injected WITH the virus. Even some of the Flu vaccine vial inserts tell you the vaccine doesn't prevent the Flu. The idea is to minimize the symptoms if you do become infected. This is the premise of all LVV.

Outbreaks of Measles in highly vaccinated population have been going on for decades-since the vaccine. AND no one knows how many cases of Measles ARE NOT reported as Measles because the child/person had the MMR. Dr. Hilleman told Janine Roberts in her interview with him for her book on the vaccine makers "Fear of the Invisible" that 20% was the acceptable number of children sickened by the vaccine. But I would be willing to bet that the cases numbers would be higher if the CDC actually did followups after children are vaccinated but they won't because they know what they will find. Roberts next interviewed Professor Michael Stewart: "I next interviewed the top British expert on immunisation at London University, Professor Michael Stewart of the School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. I asked him; ‘Some parents are telling me they suspect their children have been made ill as a consequence of vaccination. Are their fears groundless?'
I nearly fell off my chair when he replied: ‘What else would you expect? We all know the current childhood vaccines containing living viruses are dangerous. That is why I am heading up a team to develop safer vaccines.' He went on to explain that, with living viruses, there was always potential for some to mutate or to be insufficiently attenuated for safe use in the vaccine."

Say 10,000 kids got the MMR in late summer before school. According to Hilleman 20% most likely will be made ill by the vaccine-that's 200 children. Hillemans characterizes their malady as a "a little ill" To me that like being a little pregnant. Not only are the children ill-they are contagious. LVV why not. Hilleman says 20% likely to be ill a little, Pink Book says 2-5% will not respond to the first dose of the vaccine. It's probably higher because the CD always spin their data. These children are also contagious.

Statement from the Measles Pink Book:
-"Replication of vaccine viruses can be prolonged in persons who are immunosuppressed or immunodeficient." (these individual are contagious longer than healthy people because they can't eliminate the virus from their system. According to the CDc 1 child in 6 is chronically as of 2011. I recently read an article saying it's 1 child in 4 now but I can't find the source-these children would be contagious when vaccinated)
-"Although the titer of vaccine-induced antibodies is lower than that following natural disease, both serologic and epidemiologic evidence indicate that vaccine-induced immunity appears to be long-term and probably lifelong in most persons." (this is not true)
-"Live measles vaccine provides permanent protection and may prevent disease if given within 72 hours of exposure." (I've not seen any studies. we know this is not true and now studies have demonstrated it. )
-"MMR vaccine does not contain penicillin."
(the CDC makes a point of revealing this but they don't say that the vaccine contain neomycin.)
-After MMR vaccination, 5% to 15% of susceptible persons develop a temperature of 103oF (39.4oC) or higher, usually occurring 7 to 12 days after vaccination and generally lasting 1 or 2 days. (these people are contagious)
-"Most persons with fever are otherwise asymptomatic." (what? isn't fever a symptom?)
-"Data from post licensure studies do not suggest that children 4–6 years of age who received the second dose of MMRV vaccine had an increased risk for febrile seizures after vaccination compared with children the same age who received MMR vaccine and varicella vaccine administered as separate injections at the same visit." (the Pink Book tells you that seizures are possible)
-"Measles- and rubella-containing vaccines, including MMR, may cause a transient rash. Rashes, usually appearing 7 to 10 days after MMR or measles vaccination, have been reported in approximately 5% of vaccinees." (rash means the child is contagious according to the CDC Pink Book on Measles-
"Measles Epidemiology: Communicability-4 days before to 4 days after rash onset. Page 5."

All people injected with LVV ARE contagious: Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease -http://www.westonaprice.org/press/public-health-officials-know-recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease/. Please read the St. Jude Patient Guide Informs Parents about Live Virus Vaccine Risk for Immune Compromised Children. John Hopkins revised guidelines are also at this link. You can also see the revised dated for John Hopkins about half way down the page. It says: Section-Can I have Visitors?

-Tell friend and family who are sick or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio, or smallpox) not to visit.
-It may be a good idea to have visitors call first.
-Avoid contact with children who were recently vaccinated.

They don't even provide a time frame for how long these people/children are contagious. Just don't visit.
Two studies states that the measles vaccine is a failure:
-Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.
Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons. Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Because of the failure rate of the vaccine and the unique transmissibility of the measles virus, the currently available measles vaccine, used in a single-dose strategy, is unlikely to completely eliminate measles. The long-term success of a two-dose strategy to eliminate measles remains to be determined. http://archinte.jamanetwork (dot) com/article.aspx?articleid=619215
-Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/ http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/.
The measles vaccine has failed", he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.”
Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

-MEASLES OUTBREAKS IN HIGHLY VACCINATED POPULATIONS:
-Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011. http://cid.oxfordjournals (dot)org/content/early/2014/02/27/cid.ciu105.
-PLoS study: "Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? "The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/.
-J Pediatr. 1973 May;82(5):802-8.
A clinical and serologic study of 103 children with measles vaccine failure.
Cherry JD, Feigin RD, Shackelford PG, Hinthorn DR, Schmidt RR.
PMID: 4698954 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
-J Pediatr. 1973 May;82(5):798-801.
Measles IgM response during reinfection of previously vaccinated children.
Linnemann CC, Hegg ME, Rotte TC, Phair JP, Schiff GM.
PMID: 4698953 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
-Outbreak of Measles Despite Appropriate Control Measures (1985). In 1985, of 118 cases of measles which occurred on a Blackfeet reservation in Montana, 82% were vaccinated. Twenty-three of those cases occurred in the schools in Browning, Montana, where 98.7% of students were vaccinated.
-Measles in an Immunized School-Aged Population in New Mexico (1984). The story keeps repeating.In 1984, 76 cases of measles were reported in Hobbs, New Mexico. Forty-seven cases (62%) occurred among students. The school reported that 98% of students were vaccinated against measles before the outbreak began. Vaccine coverage for school: 98%.
-Measles Outbreak Among Vaccinated High School Students in Illinois (1984). In 1984, 21 cases of measles occurred in Sangamon County, Illinois. All 411 students of the local high school were documented as having received the vaccination on or after their first birthday. Investigators remarked, “This outbreak demonstrates that transmission of measles can occur within a school population with a documented immunization level of 100%.” Vaccine coverage in school children contracting measles: 100%.
-Major Measles Epidemic in Quebec Despite 99% Vaccination Coverage
A measles outbreak in a population with 99.0% vaccination coverage. The authors state, "Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak."
Boulianne N, De Serres G, Duval B, Joly JR, Meyer F, Déry P, Alary M, Le Hénaff D, Thériault N. Département de santé communautaire, Centre Hospitalier de l'Université Laval. [Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec despite a 99% vaccine coverage] [Article in French]. Can J Public health. 1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90
-Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures. Am J Public Health. 1987 April; 77(4): 434–438. http://www(dot)ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/ & http://www(dot)ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/pdf/amjph00255-0032.pdf.
-J Adolesc Health. 1991 May;12(3):273-8.
Serological response to measles revaccination in a highly immunized military dependent adolescent population.
Veit BC1, Schydlower M, McIntyre S, Simmons D, Lampe RM, Fearnow RG, Stewart J.
-Am J Public Health. 1987 Apr;77(4):434-8.
Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
Nkowane BM, Bart SW, Orenstein WA, Baltier M.
-N Engl J Med. 1977 Mar 17;296(11):585-9.
Epidemic measles in a highly vaccinated population.
Shasby DM, Shope TC, Downs H, Herrmann KL, Polkowski J.
-Clinical Epidemiology of Sporadic Measles in a Highly Immunized Population
William Schaffner, M.D., Ann E. S. Schluederberg, Sc.D., and Earl B. Byrne, M.D., M.P.H.
N Engl J Med 1968; 279:783-789October 10, 1968DOI: 10.1056/NEJM196810102791501

I have over 50 cases of Measles outbreaks in highly vaccinated population after the LVV was developed. I fail to see where the vaccine has done anything but keep Measles in play for the CDC to use as a fear mongering tool to manipulate the public for the financial gain of the pharma industry in which many CDC employees own stock in. It is know that the blockbuster drugs of pharma have hit their patent ceilings and they are no longer making millions for them. Vaccines are the only money maker for pharma. For Struggling Pharma Market, Vaccines Offer Path to Revenue-The World Vaccines Market Is Predicted to Reach $45.1 billion in 2022
http://www.genengnews.com/insight-and-intelligence/for-struggling-pharma-market-vaccines-offer-path-to-revenue/77900658/

MMR has served only one purpose-to make Merck RICH.

I don't think it matters at all if the vaccine isn't 100% effective: no vaccine is. I agree with Eindeker that it is very effective, and there's very little measles around these days. I have wanted my daughter to get measles for the last fifteen years: I was happy when she got chickenpox and surprised when she got pertussis, but it wasn't that bad. I wish she could get measles, mumps, and rubella.

Those who get the MMR for their children have rocks in their heads. All three of them are relatively mild diseases and very beneficial for the developing immune system (chickenpox too). Why even argue about whether the vaccine works to prevent measles? It does in the vast majority of cases, which is bad for those wanting the benefits of the diseases. Ultimately we'll just let them come back. All we can do now is hope that the possible increasing weakness of the vaccine hastens the day when no one get it any longer, and everyone gets measles again.

I find it particularly interesting that according to the cdc pretty much everyone was exposed to the measles.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm

Why are people born before 1957 exempt from receiving MMR vaccine?
People born before 1957 lived through several years of epidemic measles before the first measles vaccine was licensed. As a result, these people are very likely to have had the measles disease. Surveys suggest that 95% to 98% of those born before 1957 are immune to measles

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So Eindeker, the whole population; everyone; should be included in any statistics about death rates or side effects. Your statistics more likely apply to the small portion of the population ( most likely medically fragile) who went to doctors with measles infections. I did not go to a doctor when I got the measles as a child; there wasn't considered to be much point.You just got sick and got better, and it was considered that the right thing to do when sick was to stay at home and avoid anyone pregnant , just in case.
Rather like the way some people today choose not to go to a doctor for a mild case of the flu. By the way, titers taken as an adult do indicate that I have indeed had the measles.

Of course, now that information about vitamin A being used as a treatment is available, I think we can assume that medical treatment now will be better than medical treatment in the 60 s and 70s. Or do you believe that our ability to treat sick people has not improved at all in the 50 years?

And of course, natural measles infections apparently have a protective effect against cancer. If natural measles infections were instead called "vaccines", that helped protect against cancer, and could somehow be used to make big money for pharmaceutical companies, I am pretty sure any side effects would be considered "rare" and ignored.

On the subject of measles deaths, you need to understand that the millions and millions of deaths figures are completely made up.

Here is a quote from the surprisingly honest Kenji Shibuya (chief of stats at the WHO) about what his colleagues did.

“The same applies to monitoring progress in major disease interventions. For example, the assessment of a recent change in measles mortality from vaccination is mostly based on statistics predicted from a set of covariates such as the number of live births, vaccine coverage, vaccine effectiveness and case¬fatality ratios. It is understandable that estimating causes of death over time is a difficult task. However, that is no reason for us to avoid measuring it when we can also measure the quantity of interest directly; otherwise the global health community would continue to monitor progress on a spreadsheet with limited empirical basis. This is simply not acceptable.”

For those who weren't able to follow. The measles deaths figures come from countries with essentially no data on cause of death (it simply isn't recorded) so the WHO epidemiologists just made up some numbers that they hoped were correct because it would have meant the vaccine program worked.

They never counted measles deaths before the vaccine, nor did they do so afterwards.

They assumed lots of people died from the disease before it, they then gave out millions of vaccines, assumed that meant they didn't get measles and voila! Measles death numbers plummeted.

Further explanation can be found here - complete with graphs showing that the widespread vaccine programs in the developing world had no measurable impact on the welfare of the populous (at least not in a good way).

http://vaccinationdilemma.com/chapters/Chapter2.pdf

And of course, as I say, the measles vaccine does not prevent rashes and fevers - let alone deaths.

All that has happened is that a) doctors typically won't diagnose measles if the patient is vaccinated; b) pathology testing rules out many cases whereas before no such testing was required.

I find it funny that Eindecker talks about doctors being desperate to make as many notifications as possible. Yeah sure. Doctors are always looking for ways to increase the amount of paperwork that they do.

If a doctor gives someone a vaccine it stands to reason that they will be prejudiced against admitting that that vaccine is either useless or dangerous.

So they cannot be trusted to evaluate numbers of measles cases nor vaccine safety.

Ciaparker,

Thanks for the information. I didn't think it was Dr. Maurice Hilleman who said it, but I did not remember who did.

"1 measles death in every few thousand cases"

Our CDC has been beating the drum to the tune of 1-2 in 1,000 for several years now. They have vaccines to sell.

But bare stats only mean so much. One would have to examine each medical record to determine what impact measles really had. Were these deaths in terminal patients or extremely fragile individuals who were long going to live even without? Which is not to say that any life is not worth saving, even if only for another day. But it all has to be taken into context, and that's what is lacking in all this - proper context.

And too, we don't know what effect a widespread measles outbreak would have on a population without natural herd immunity. The vaccine has mostly wiped that out in the under 60's.

Good one Eindecker. You completely ignore the direct CDC quote proving doctors frequently dismiss measles in the vaccinated. You then reached for the NHS to prove your case. And what a reach it was.

Here is the UK's National Health Service: "Following assessment, if a diagnosis of measles is considered likely, it is essential to notify the local Health Protection Unit (HPU)" and subsequently: "Measles is very unlikely in people who have been fully immunized", followed by “Consider a different cause if the patient is likely to have immunity” http://cks.nice.org.uk/measles#!diagnosissub

Their advice is even more explicit than the CDC's.

Doctors differentially diagnosing on the basis of vaccination status is completely obvious and you have right there in those quotes definitive proof that that is what they do.

But vaccines are the greatest lie in history. Not a single vaccine has ever worked and their entire success is nothing more than a self fulfilling prophecy. Both from the above bias and the fact that diagnostic criteria is typically strengthened after the vaccine.

And we know that absolutely no vaccine has worked because data that is not subject to bias (such as rates of deafness or encephalitis after measles vaccine or rates of paralysis after polio vaccine) all shows that precisely no vaccine has ever achieved its objective.

But nobody wants to accept that they have fallen for a lie of such magnitude.

ATSC et al the European data is easiest to access http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/measles/pages/index.aspx
Summarising these reports you get
Time Notifications % Unvaccinated Deaths
2015-16 1818 85% 1
2015 3969 84.8% 1
2014 3616 83% 0
2013 10271 88% 3
2012 8326 75% 0
2011 30567 82% 8

In France 2008-2010 there were 4753 notified notifications, 82% were unvaccinated and 3 deaths, all in unvaccinated individuals.
So adding up there were 63320 notifications and 16 deaths, ie a mortality rate of 1 in 3957 cases which is about right, 1 measles death in every few thousand cases

Cia:
I think the measles vaccine really did close to eradicate measles in the US."

The measles was 98% eliminated on its own prior to the development of the first measles vaccine in 1963.
By 1963, the death rate from measles in the United States had already dropped by approximately 98% ( Vital Statistics of the United States 1937, 1938, 1943, 1944, 1949, 1960, 1967, 1976, 1987, 1992; Historical Statistics of the United States.
- Colonial Times to 1970 Part 1; Health, United States, 2004, US Department of Health and Human Services; Vital Records & Health Data Development Section, Michigan Department of Community Health; US Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 2003; Reported Cases and Deaths from Vaccine Preventable Diseases, United States, 1950–2008.)
-VITAL STATISTICSRATES IN THE UNITED STATES 1940-1960
By Robert D. Grove, Ph. D. and Alice M. Hetzel

I fully believe that if there had not been a vaccine for this mild childhood illness Measles would have been eliminated however Doctors like to play God and created a monstrosity to inject into children which not only kept measles in play-it spawned another version of the illness Atypical measles I shouldn't say spawned but used the more medically acceptable characterization- an altered host immune response caused by the deleterious effect of the measles vaccines which comes from the KMV. I read a comment a few years ago where an individual wrote that Dr. Maurice Hilleman stated a measles vaccine was never needed but it was created because they could do it and since they made it it may as well be used. Of course for vaccine makers those profound moments of honesty and clarity are rare. However he did admit on film that the Polio vaccines was contaminated with SV-40. I would love to find that information on the Measles vaccine so if anyone has any leads please post.

Re measles death rate at 1 in 500, I got the impression from one pro-vax commenter that the failure of one dose measles vaccine seen in the U.S. around 1990 and the death rate seen then is being quoted.

It doesn't seem equatable to the actual risk of measles verses not vaccinating. It's the breakthrough risk seen in a vaccine modified group, maybe due in part to vaccinated mothers being unable to protect their infants effectively, and I wonder also if it involved an ignorance on the part of some physicians (and parents) not used to treating (or recognizing) measles on how to best do so? Maybe new pharmaceuticals were applied with adverse effects? Does having been vaccinated actually increase the mortality risk for some?

The in 1 in 500 mortality may be something like the mortality we will see with further two-dose measles vax failure.

ATSC,
These are some links with information on measles incidence and mortality in the US and UK in the decades around 1960, when it had become much less virulent that it had been before around 1930.

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/low-fatality-rate-in-european-measles-outbreak-cdc-report/#.VkVL3rnluUk
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1522578/pdf/amjphnation00499-0004.pdf

http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733835814

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/measles-perspective/

Gareth Colfer-Williams should have been hospitalized, but was blown off because he was an alcoholic who had just been in rehab, and had severe asthma and was generally weak and immune-compromised. He died of giant-cell pneumonia, which couldn't have been treated even if he had been hospitalized. It's not that he died primarily because of medical negligence, but that he had severe health conditions which permitted an extremely serious and untreatable complication to take hold and kill him.

There are many diseases which can cause rashes. I think the measles vaccine really did close to eradicate measles in the US. If it were the case that everyone still gets measles just the way they used to, vaxxed or not, then you wouldn't have anyone coming down with real measles, the way they sometimes do, and it's apparently just like it used to be, high fever, rash, racking cough, conjunctivitis, for the same length of time as before.

ATSC,

"Do you know why the CDC claims that the death rate from measles is 1-2 in 1000, and yet the UK government claims "About one in 5000 individuals with measles is likely to die"? Huge difference, Historically, pre-measles vaccine, is either rate true?"

CDC reported in 2004 that pre vaccine era mortality rate was 1 in 1000 *reported* cases, which equals about 1 in 10,000, according to them, then.

"Measles Elimination in the United States"
Walter A. Orenstein, Section Editor, Mark J. Papania and Melinda E. Wharton
+ Author Affiliations

National Immunization Program, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia
Reprints or correspondence: Dr. Mark Papania, National Immunization Program, Mailstop E-61, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1600 Clifton Rd., Atlanta, GA 30333 ([email protected])

In 1962, immediately preceding the licensure of the first measles vaccines in the United States, when measles was a nearly universal disease, Alexander Langmuir described the medical importance of measles to the country and put forth the challenge of measles eradication [1]. Although most patients recovered without permanent sequelae, the high number of cases each year made measles a significant cause of serious morbidity and mortality Langmuir showed that >90% of Americans were infected with the measles virus by age 15 years [1]. This equated to roughly 1 birth cohort (4 million people) infected with measles each year. Not all cases were reported to the public health system; from 1956 to 1960, an average of 542,000 cases were reported annually.By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]. "

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long

Eindeker:
ADVERSE REACTIONS ; The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
Body as a Whole
Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.
M-M-R® II (MEASLES, MUMPS, and RUBELLA VIRUS VACCINE LIVE). Page 6.

Are you aware that the original MMR vaccine vial insert list Autism as an adverse reaction:
You can see it here. http://vaccine-injury.info/trust.cfm.
Confirming that the MMR can cause Autism is Dr. Julie Gerberding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428

The Disney Outbreak False Flag was so infested with lies by the CDC the only moment of clarity was when Dr. Schuchat said patient zero had never been found and that the Measles Genotype was B3. Other Multiple “official” sources have declared the number of infected between 100 & 300. There was one “official” MSM source that said people had died:
Disneyland’s measles outbreak killed more than 100-https://vaccinefactcheck.org/2015/06/26/disneylands-measles-outbreak-killed-more-than-100/.
However the Disney False Flag served it’s purpose which was the catalyst for 50 plus state representative to introduce in their particular state capitols draconian vaccine measure aimed at removing parental autonomy and initiating mandatory vaccination. SB277 & Senate Bill 442 in Oregon led the charge. Oregon was able to temporarily beat this back but we know what’s going on in California.

Eindeker, You give us typical pro-vaccine propaganda which we are all aware of. Vaxxed is about the distortion of such research. Our proof is our children/Grandchildren whose progress was typical until their vaccinations. and, by the way, the most severely autistic of my Grandsons was rushed to hospital with a seizure after the MMR. Coincidence - I know it wasn't!

Yes, there is obviously a genetic link and that must be that the vaccines trigger the genes that are unable to take the onslaught of the vaccine ingredients.

Nothing I say will make you change your stance. You are devoid of human compassion and really are on the wrong website. Quite honestly, you are a waste of effort.