Justin Kanew Interviews Mary Holland & Louis Conte on "Get It Got It Good"
This is the 3rd of 4 interviews on this topic... the 1st (with Del Bigtree) and the 2nd (with Brian Deer) can be found HERE. Thanks again to AofA and all of you for all the feedback-- even though I can't respond to all of it I promise I'm seeing it and it's appreciated.
After talking to Del Bigtree and Brian Deer, one of the aspects of the subject of vaccine injury I wanted to hear more about was the U.S. Vaccine Court, which kept coming up, and the case of Hannah Poling, which it seemed was a tough case for the "Vaccines never ever cause autism" side to refute.
The explanation given for her case seems to be that Hannah wasn't compensated for her autism, even though she has an autism diagnosis, but was instead compensated for her "encephalopathy seizures" which resulted in "autism-like symptoms". I had trouble understanding the difference, and in his interview with Sanjay Gupta it seemed to all be the same to Hannah's neurologist father Jon also, so I reached out to him to see if he could explain it.
Jon didn't want to talk, but he did turn me on to the work of Mary Holland and Lou Conte, who as many of you AofA-ers probably know are 2 parents who after much scientific and observational research have come to the conclusion vaccine injury is the only plausible explanation for the regression of their children into autism.
In their Pace University article Mary and Lou found 83 other cases of autism among the vaccine-injured kids compensated for brain injury, which was eye-opening, and in the interview Lou poses a seemingly fair question:
"If vaccines don't cause autism, how come all these children compensated for vaccine injury have autism?"
Here's my conversation with Mary and Lou:
Episode 3 is embedded above, but it's also live on iTunes here: https://goo.gl/nXkFPI
On the next and last episode (coming soon) I'll talk to MIT biologist Dr. Stephanie Seneff.
Look forward to your comments and your thoughts on all of it.
Justin
Justin Kanew is a writer-producer in Los Angeles who was also a 2-time contestant on "THE AMAZING RACE" on CBS with his best friend Zev-- the first ever Amazing Race contestant on the autism spectrum. He lives in Encino, CA with his wife Nicole, a BCBA, and his recently born daughter Kaia. He also hosts "GET IT GOT IT GOOD", a podcast that was recently #16 on the iTunes News & Politics" chart. Subscribe to it here: https://goo.gl/nXkFPI And follow him on Twitter here: @justin_kanew
Justin Kanew, I was looking forward to your Seneff interview.
Still coming?
Posted by: greyone | August 17, 2016 at 04:44 PM
Let's back up to multiple scientific studies finding that the greater number of febrile infectious childhood diseases, the lower the probability of cancer in adulthood. In reality, occasional pre-cancerous and cancerous cells are ubiquitous in the general population, but they're typically eliminated by a healthy immune system. The point: the childhood febrile diseases cleanse deeply and hone the immune system, in preparation for successful adolescence and adulthood, and this applies to chronic conditions across the board, not just cancer. The purpose of the symptoms we tend to call the disease is not to destroy, but to eliminate infection, cleanse, and return the body to wellness. The vaccine industry has turned this truth on its head, using the resulting fear as the bedrock motivation to vaccinate.
If you look at the USCDC's measles figures for the years preceding the release of the vaccine, there was one death per 10,000 cases. That's not only a classic definition of a benign disease, but a blatant demonstration that complications and death don't follow the virus or bacteria, they follow the person - that while the death of that one child is tragic, it's obvious he was seriously immunocompromised before developing measles. Meanwhile, HHS on its Vaccine Injury Table lists the MMR vaccine as a cause of encephalopathy - brain damage. From that clear perspective, it's the height of presumptuousness to ask the parents of the other 7,499 kids to risk brain damaging their kids, to risk vaccinating, in an effort to protect the one child whose health is poor, and it becomes totally absurd when you consider that many vaccinated kids develop measles anyway, and have literally been reported in the mainstream as initiating some outbreaks.
As for vaccines and autism, the fact that the vaccine court has compensated many cases of vaccine induced brain damage that include autism-like symptoms, and that autism itself is literally defined by a collection of autism-like symptoms, is outrageous, Orwellian double speak.
Posted by: Shawn Siegel | June 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM
@cia parker
I found Klenner's case-study for treating polio with Vitamin C online. It appears to be effective just taken by mouth, as long as large-enough doses are used. Children were given injections, as were some adults.
He treated and cured 60 out of 60 cases (100%), which suggests that a large-scale study would find its effectiveness at somewhere between 98% and 100%.
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/194x/klenner-fr-southern_med_surg-1949-v111-n7-p209.htm
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 09, 2016 at 05:47 PM
Linda1, There are so many diverting opinions (innocently or on purpose) getting off the topic of vaccines causing immense damage including autism. I shudder to see such come up. Throughout medical history false paradigms take the stage for decades and even hundreds of years, such as Dan and Mark Blaxill recently documented regarding mercury. Retroviruses, from my considerable study do not warrant any consideration whatsoever as a connection, or even a parallel, to the vaccination onslaught.
Please email as you wish, thanks for interest. email: [email protected]
david m burd
Posted by: david m burd | June 09, 2016 at 03:18 PM
David,
Re the possible connection between MMR retrovirus contamination and MMR induced disease: I am in no position to judge the merit of Dr. Mikovits' work and conclusions but do think her perspective should also be represented and discussed. I'm glad that you've shared your perspective. Would like to know more about the other side of the argument.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 09, 2016 at 09:54 AM
Linda1, The quote by Mikovits having relevance to her work and Andy Wakefield et al.'s study of MMR is fantastically speculative. A large number of elite non-Establishment medical scientists around the world have long written and testified that human retroviruses (there are scores of thousands of retroviruses we all have had since time immemorial in case you don't know) cannot possibly cause disease.
I know Mikovits and her co-author Kent Heckenlively think differently, but nevertheless it's a red herring to throw into the autism-MMR connection, and needlessly sows confusion.
Posted by: david m burd | June 09, 2016 at 09:06 AM
Dr. Judy Mikovits at 2016 Autism One Conference at 29:37 in response to the question "I'd like for Judy to explain to us how Wakefield's work and how her work and all this is connected and how all these pieces are coming together. It's very complex and I think she can do it":
Dr. Mikovits:
"Simply said, um, the, uh, retrovirus in the MMR vaccine infected the gut. It's just like HIV. It did all of that damage and it literally spread the, uh, the, the MMR viruses because it activated them and literally spread them around. Our work exactly confirmed and extended exactly what he saw and it was the retrovirus driving the disease engine."
From Youtube: "Dissecting the CDC Whistleblower Documents: A Study in Corruption - Dr. Brian Hooker" Published May 28, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4Qoh1-h7c
Posted by: Linda1 | June 08, 2016 at 11:03 PM
@benedetta re "full combat training causes hair line fractures over women's entire skeleton", I found a bunch of stuff. Women have about 4x the risk of stress fractures, from 1 in 50 for males to 1 in 12 for females. Overall risk for female musculoskeletal injures is 2-3x males. I had known that the risk for ACL tears in female soccer players is 3x males, there is some research trying to understand why.
Part of this is probably from most people's deficiency in A/D/K2/C and collagen proteins... It would be interesting to look at injuries relative to these nutrients. The studies on Vit D didn't show any correlation, but all of these nutrients work synergystically. Could also be from our early use of shoes instead of barefoot play, which limits feedback from feet/legs.
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 08, 2016 at 02:25 PM
@benedetta do you have references for "full combat training causes hair line fractures over women's entire skeleton"? I'm curious...
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 08, 2016 at 01:53 PM
I mean Federal laws and most state laws follow that if you "EVER" have one seizure you cannot obtain a commercial driver's license.
Which means more than driving big rig trucks - that could also mean driving company vans too.
Of course; our neurologist said that is not always true - if they find and fix the cause of epilepsy and seizures then they will allow a person to obtain a commercial driver's license - like removing a benign tumor. Which our kids - the 1 out of 20 do not have a fixable cure and - as far as the medical people know -- most of the time they claim those EEGs don't show seizures.
The military too will not accept anyone with a history of seizures.
But I guess since they are trying to make women as full fledged fighting machines if they can some how over come the bone thing - full combat training causes hair line fractures over women's entire skeleton . So,: so I guess a male with epilepsy might be looking better and better to the military.
Posted by: Benedetta | June 08, 2016 at 10:15 AM
It is hard to believe that epilepsy is now 1 out of 20 - I mean that many kids!!! We are well past the risk outweighs the benefits!
Posted by: Benedetta | June 08, 2016 at 10:04 AM
Thanks for posting that, John. I absolutely do not agree that vaccine induced anything is harmless, especially seizures, febrile or not. They're LYING, which is how they usually handle vaccine PR problems. And they have BIG problems right about now.
Reminds me of the "study" that "found" that thimerosol is actually good for kids. Remember that farce?
Posted by: Linda1 | June 08, 2016 at 06:55 AM
Linda,
I don't know btw how small the risk of seizures is. According to this notice - up for many months - from Seattle Children's Hospital the rate of epilepsy in children under 5 is now 1 in 20.
http://www.seattlechildrens.org/medical-conditions/brain-nervous-system-mental-conditions/epilepsy/
Posted by: John Stone | June 08, 2016 at 04:43 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this latest propaganda piece by tool Tara Haelle in which she delivers the message that combination vaccines are worth the small risk of inducing seizures and that vaccine induced seizures are harmless and rare:
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/06/480665262/febrile-seizures-after-childhood-vaccines-are-rare-study-finds
And this article on how asthma is more prevalent in the black community and how adverse reactions to asthma medications can be more serious (related to the MMR-autism link?):
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/06/07/481092103/scientsts-seek-genetic-clues-to-why-asthma-is-deadlier-in-blacks
"Medications also work differently in different populations, according to Esteban Buchard, a pulmonologist at UCSF. As an example, he points to the small print on the instructions for a common asthma medication called Advair.
"It specifically says that if you're African-American and you take this, you have an eightfold risk of dying," he says.
The UCSF team is analyzing the genes of black, Mexican-American, and Puerto Rican children to better understand drug responses in each population.
"One of our hypotheses is that what's underlying this huge mortality in African-American children is the fact that the most commonly prescribed drug for asthma is albuterol," says White. "The problem is that not everyone responds to albuterol the same way. And actually, Puerto Rican and African-American children have the worst drug response."
Of course, they blame the disease on unidentified genes. That pertussis vaccine has been linked to asthma is of course not mentioned.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 08, 2016 at 01:48 AM
CIA Parker;
LOL - hope the vinegar works.
Posted by: Benedetta | June 08, 2016 at 12:59 AM
Thank you Linda:
My son had colic - really bad for four whole, long months. He was breast fed right off the bat. I held him right off the bat.
I had lost - miscarried another child 20 months before having him.
I was given a DPT shot while I was pregnant. - I thought it was only a tetanus shot when I was almost four months along and lost that baby a few weeks later. I never connected the two events.
A month after a miscarriage I developed IBS - like symptoms
Fast forward years later when my daughter received her last DTaP shot - a few years back. She also developed IBS like symptoms, just like I did - in the morning before work.
My son reacted fast and immediately to the DPT shots - starting with his first - one of his bottom chambers of his heart actually swelled up - and things escalated and I began to catch on.
This generation of the 80s - and the 90s has begun to have children, and so many more vaccines than the generations before.
We are in big trouble. The MIT person has looked at the trending of how autism has increased and made a prediction. But some times in real life models things happen a lot faster than predicted. I just wonder if we have till 2032 another 15 years. I may be already up on us.
That is why the CDC has brought in the Zika virus that has all the symptoms of - vaccine injuries.
But then I am giving those at the CDC too much credit; Well I don't know , confused - they seem to be very creativity when it comes to manipulating data.
Posted by: Benedetta | June 08, 2016 at 12:55 AM
David,
Thank you for sharing your history and insight. It's interesting to note, too, that in this preemie study, many of the babies were born as early as 23-25 weeks gestation. Only in recent years have babies born that early survived. To refer to vaccinating them as "routine" implies that this is an old accepted practice. What a lie. Not only is the practice not new, but these babies are supposed to be in the womb for another 15 to 17 weeks.
Tim,
Thanks for posting the link to the study!
Cia,
One thing about DDT is that it is stored in the body and doesn't break down. I think it's stored in the fat? I hope you didn't suffer any long-term effects of that exposure in Mexico. The thing about the Indians giving "pulsed" doses of oral polio. I read that in some populations the polio vaccine wasn't working and that's why they were giving more doses. But, if the oral vaccine was working, then additional doses shouldn't hurt because the recipient would be immune (right?).
Dr. Kostoff,
"The study you reference had five authors from the CDC, the same organization that William Thompson alleged omitted critical data to show absence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. What would lead you to believe the present study was any more credible?"
I don't think it's more credible! My reason for posting it was to point out how lame these people are. Yes, it is the CDC saying that a vaccine that they've been promoting for adults for many decades has zero safety data and that they are just now getting around to taking a (casual, inadequate) look at the (voluntary, incomplete) VAERS database. You're right. Absolutely pathetic. Completely irresponsible. That was my point, but thank you for elaborating.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 08, 2016 at 12:49 AM
@cia parker
Yes, I'd like to see a large-scale study of using IV and liposomal Vitamin C to treat acute illness including sepsis. Realize that when 100% of polio cases treated this way recover with no damage, it is clearly extremely powerful. Even if it doesn't resolve all cases used for thousands of cases, it will substantially reduce the disability/mortality rates. Of course, we've know this for over 50 years, so I'm not holding my breath :-)
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 07, 2016 at 11:57 PM
@Danchi thanks! Levi Quackenboss led me to this fascinating youtube by Forrest Maready:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5me9QZx8GvU --
well worth the few minutes to watch. Just another case study in astroturf :-)
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 07, 2016 at 11:30 PM
Tim,
And in India they need to do a study comparing the rates of non-polio paralysis between groups which got ten or more polio vaccines and those getting the normal number, four including the kindergarten booster. I think it was probably the out-of-control Pulse vaccination campaigns in which they gave out the oral vaccine on every street corner twice a year, and a lot of uninformed people thought more couldn't hurt.
Posted by: cia parker | June 07, 2016 at 07:56 PM
Tim,
I've read about how vitamin C, especially high-dose IV vitamin C, can successfully treat and cure virtually any disease. I believe it, but, like with the lathyrus sativus, I am not certain that it would solve the problem. I'd like to see large-scale studies done on both of them to see if they would be at least as effective as the vaccines.
The oral polio vaccine is supposed to be more effective because it enters by the natural route. At one time they recommended getting two doses of the injected vaccine, which can't cause paralysis, and then two doses of the oral: the immunity provided by the injected one protected against the extremely rare vaccine paralysis. I don't know why they stopped doing that.
I need more information, I'd love to see large scale studies done on this, and would be extremely happy if either vitamin C or lathyrus or both were proven to be extremely effective at treating severe cases of polio.
Posted by: cia parker | June 07, 2016 at 07:51 PM
Linda,
I know DDT was very common and pervasive. I spent a summer at a mission where the boys were given DDT sprays and sent to go around and spray everything with it. When my tomato soup tasted like the DDT smell, I spat it out. It was to kill the bedbugs. I told them that DDT had been banned in the US because it was so dangerous, but no one was interested. I have wondered if Tina's family (my roommate paralyzed by polio) used DDT to kill flies in their home. I don't know.
Two years ago there were at least twelve children paralyzed by the polio look-alike EV-68. Dan and Mark learned that some of them were from a raspberry growing farm which used pesticides. I read that the first real polio outbreak with paralysis was back east in the 1890s, when they first used pesticides on crops. So it's not just DDT. And again, who among us is sure that we have not gotten amounts of chemicals in the environment which might potentiate polio were it contracted? My daughter had the EV-68 two years ago, had a bad cough for about a month and then recovered. But what were the common factors among all those paralyzed by either enterovirus?
Posted by: cia parker | June 07, 2016 at 07:46 PM
Linda1,
"Limited data exist on the safety of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine in adults."
That's an interesting way of phrasing the paucity of MMR safety data. For example, read the insert in the MMR vaccine package: (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf). It states, in part: "M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility." If one were to consider using e.g. a skin cream, and it contained the above statement on its label, would anyone in their right mind use it?
Most of the safety studies referenced in the insert, which served as the basis for FDA approval, were both short term and done 4-5 decades ago. Thus, long-term effects were not ascertained, and today's co-promoter effects (e.g., vaccines combined with cell phone radiation, glyphosate, biosludge, astroturf, etc) could not be determined.
The study you reference had five authors from the CDC, the same organization that William Thompson alleged omitted critical data to show absence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. What would lead you to believe the present study was any more credible?
The study you reference used the VAERS database as the data source. This is a passive surveillance database. People voluntarily contact the database managers to report an adverse event. I have seen estimates that these types of databases underestimate adverse events by one or more orders of magnitude. Additionally, how representative are the events reported of all adverse events? Is there a bias in the reporting that skews the sampling? Is every event reported to the database managers entered into the database?
A very serious limitation of what gets into VAERS is making the link between the vaccination and the adverse event. The data tend to reflect short-term events. As the time between vaccination and an adverse event increases, making the connection becomes more difficult. If one received the e.g. MMR vaccine, and developed diabetes ten years later, would one report the diabetes to VAERS as an adverse event resulting from the vaccination? Doubtful!
To realize the absurdity of the tracking process and the concept behind the paper you reference, suppose the VAERS approach was used to determine adverse effects from smoking or wireless radiation. From smoking, one might see some sore throats after a few days, or perhaps some coughing after a few weeks. The cardiovascular impacts, the lung cancers and other cancers, would be below the radar screen. Too far into the future relative to the short-term vaccination-adverse event linkage observation.
So, it amazes me that this paper would even be accepted by the medical journal. Where were the reviewers; why is this considered a credible study? Why do we even talk about vaccines and safety studies in the same breath?
Posted by: Ronald Kostoff | June 07, 2016 at 07:38 PM
Tim:
Levi: They didn’t make a statement. They’ve got 24 hours to do it before FTC complaints start.
I don't see their endorsement on Walgreens website but maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Also, since this has caused so much MSM attention they may have just quietly dropped it so as not t draw attention to it. Knowing Levi he'll stay on top of it.
The real Marco Arturo mic drop
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/the-real-marco-arturo-mic-drop/
Posted by: Danchi | June 07, 2016 at 05:11 PM
Tim
I will ask Levi to post the information he found and pass it along.
Posted by: Danchi | June 07, 2016 at 03:23 PM
@Danchi
Do you have a link for your note that "Walgreens has revoked their sponsorship of the Marco Arturo article on A Plus after a campaign by Hear This Well and hundreds of parents of vaccine injured children"?
Thanks.
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 07, 2016 at 01:05 PM
@Danchi
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 07, 2016 at 01:04 PM
@cia parker
(1) Polio appears to be ~100% curable/treatable with IV Vitamin C. All of the cases treated with this protocol had complete recovery.
(2) The inactivated polio vaccine is dangerous and causes injury, it is much higher risk than the properly-treated illness.
(3) The oral polio vaccine is even more dangerous, and greatly increases the rate of paralysis in the population (cf India's experience, where the number of paralyzed people more than doubled from the OPV).
(4) Today, in the US, there are hundreds of people paralyzed every year from viruses in the same family as the polio vaccine strains. Because they are not "the" polio viruses, the paralysis is not "polio", it is called NPAFP (non-polio acute flaccid paralysis). But it caused by a virus in the same family; before the polio diagnostic criteria were changed, it would have been called "polio". If we treated these people appropriately, they would be fine and recover completely. There is no vaccine for theses strains. Adding all the possible strains to a vaccine is pretty much impossible, there will always be cases of NPAFP until we start treating this illness appropriately. Adding more strains to the OPV or IPV would make them much more dangerous.
The bottom line is that we should learn to treat illnesses so that they are not a concern, instead of vaccinating. Vaccinating today has major risks, we simply do not have any safe vaccines.
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 07, 2016 at 01:01 PM
Dr. Wakefield on NICU - 30 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CY8FhzcPg&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: Linda1 | June 07, 2016 at 01:00 PM
"I was wondering how you could tell if you or your child had had excessive exposure to these chemicals or not."
Cia,
DDT was sprayed directly on kids' lunches and on kids at play. Directly. Like the way people spray kids with sun screen, except no one sprays sun screen on food. They used to spray DDT on food. Cows were dipped in DDT and there was lots of DDT in the milk that all kids were fed. It was extremely pervasive, so much so that it's a miracle any of us are alive to tell about it.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 07, 2016 at 12:59 PM
Benedetta,
Fascinating history. Re the colic, what was the difference in what your grandmother fed her children and what your mother fed hers? The sister with colic started out premature and with a complicated birth (preeclampsia). Could it be that because she was in the hospital that she was not handled by her mother - instead by nurses - and was not breastfed? All would make a difference in her microbiome. Not sure about the effect of prior vaccination but interesting question.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 07, 2016 at 12:52 PM
Cherry,
"I heard a neonatologist puzzling that if the newborn human infant has a diminished immune system in the first week after birth in order to accept all the bacteria that it needs to upload from its mother, how was it a good idea to give Hep B vaccine, which revs up the immune system ? "
Great point.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 07, 2016 at 12:44 PM
David,
I agree that most kids got polio subclinically and got permanent immunity to at least that kind (there are thought to be three strains). But for those tens of thousands who got clinical cases and were paralyzed, many for life, it was a terrible disease which the vaccine beat back. I'm reading the book Patenting the Sun now, and it's horrifying to read of polio arriving in a community, kids getting cold-like symptoms, and then suddenly collapsing on the ground, never to walk again. Usually the paralytic symptoms subsided, but not always, and if they affected the lungs, the patient would die unless put into an iron lung and cared for until his lungs recovered from their paralysis enough to breathe again. Which didn't always happen, they eventually learned that you can live for ten years inside an iron lung. I wondered what the patients did all day, especially if they were encased for years. And many thousands died of polio.
I have thought a lot about what I would do if polio came back in the US, and what I would do if I had young children if it did. I know that most people get mild or subclinical cases and recover, and that's the best possible outcome. I don't know if there's any way to predict if any individual is more or less likely to experience paralyzing symptoms. I think DDT and other pesticides/insecticides played a role, but there again, I was wondering how you could tell if you or your child had had excessive exposure to these chemicals or not. We never use chemicals in our yard: I put salt water on some poison ivy plants in our back yard last month, which killed them right away, and I ordered some pickling vinegar to put on a thistle patch (thanks, Benedetta, I got the idea from you). We don't use chemicals in the house either, just get cruelty-free, environmentally correct cleaning products. But how do I know how much we're exposed to in other places? Many of our neighbors use ChemLawn, for example.
I think using homeopathic lathyrus sativus is an effective preventive and treatment, but I've never tried it myself or seen it work.
I think I'll hold back on recommending any course of action until getting information not yet available. But if push came to shove, if I heard about any people here being crippled by polio in a new outbreak, I think I'd have blood titers done on me and my daughter to look for polio antibodies and, if none were present, I probably would get the vaccine for both of us.
Posted by: cia parker | June 07, 2016 at 12:09 PM
I just finished talking to my mother - born in 1929.
She had every year or every other year the three in one typhoid vaccine that came out of WWI.
When she was 12 or 13 the whooping cough was going around. That would make it around the year 1940-41 or 42.
The health departments sent out fliers or postures about the time and place they would offer pertussis vaccines. One such posture or flier said that if anyone walked down to the main road on certain days - the health nurse of the neighboring county would cross the county line a little bit and give anyone interested a pertussis vaccine. Coming out of Jackson county across the Rockcastle county line.
My mother was the only kid walking down to the main road to get the vaccine - out of the whole school house. Actually she was the only person coming down to the main road. The nurse was pretty old, but very friendly and she had her own car to travel in.
Mother actually had whooping cough - she came down with it before even the first shot. She says that is why the flier about the vaccine got her attention and she acted on it. So, she took it upon herself to leave school and walk down to the road and get the pertussis vaccine.
She did this 3 or 4 times. The vaccine was a series of shots, not just one. She does not remember how many exactly, but it was a series of shots. You all got that?
She remembered coming home from one such vaccine, and had a really bad coughing attack in which she lost her breath and almost consciousness.
what would be the result of having the whooping cough and then taking a series of vaccines for the very same disease?
She was the oldest of the kids in her family. She had two very young brothers that were about 2 and 4 years old at the time she had the whooping cough, and receiving the series of vaccines too at the same time.
She said that she thought her Mother had already taken them some where to get their vaccines for the whooping cough. She does not remember them having it, but she does remember taking care of her youngest brother with chicken pox. I have to wonder at why such a bad case of chicken pox. Could it be that the whooping cough vaccine effected his immune system? I know the other brother had depression - and mania - bipolar really -- bad. He made lots of money and he lost lots of money.
But back to the chicken pox in the youngest brother. She said she had never seen such a bad case of chicken pox. His entire head and scalp was a solid sore. She carried him around all day worried, trying to get her mother to pay attention to him, and she said it was the first time she was really aggravated at her mother for ignoring her baby brother. Her Mother was a hard worker, there was some thing constant that had to be done, and that day she said her mother was trying to get the corn on the upper field hoed. When she finally did come out of the field, her and my grandpa did take him to the doctor. They treated him for pneumonia.
Fast forward a few years. My Mother married at 16 years old. My sister was born when she was 18 years old. Five years after having the whooping cough and a series of whooping cough shots.
Was her immune system still inflamed - active? She had my sister prematurely, and she also had preeclampsia- high blood pressure, and was put in the hospital 1948. Was this a lingering effect of that vaccine?
When my sister was born she had the colic really bad. My Mother raised her own mother's kids practically, and she had not run across colic before. Was this the result of the series of pertussis shots she had as a preteen.
She may not have run into colic but she had seen hyperactivity though. Her brother with the mood swings, she was was constantly running through the briars to head him off for the creek, or getting him down out of tree. She had raised two sisters, so she was not sure if this was typical of a boy. Was this the result of a vaccine that he received.
When I came along 8 long years after, she had no problems. I had no problems. I have a good memory; even back to when I was two years old. But then I had my own DPT, polio and small pox vaccines to contend with.
Posted by: Benedetta | June 07, 2016 at 10:08 AM
Friends, Here is another aspect of the Hep B at birth issue. I think we have not touched on this. I heard a neonatologist puzzling that if the newborn human infant has a diminished immune system in the first week after birth in order to accept all the bacteria that it needs to upload from its mother, how was it a good idea to give Hep B vaccine, which revs up the immune system ? When one hears things like this, you just think, "Well, more insanity; It never ends once humans start meddling with millions of years of evolution"
Posted by: Cherry Misra | June 07, 2016 at 02:04 AM
To Justin Kanew. I think the straw that breaks the camels back is the information we have from various quartrs that unvaccinated kids are much healthier than vaccinated kids and it seems that no one regrets their decision not to vaccinate because we know that if anyone did, it would be all over some kind of media for sure.
Each of us approaches this in our own way. What made a great impact on me was the knowledge that there is a biological periodic table- all of the elements of life in mammalian bodies. There is no mercury and no aluminium on that periodic table. And both of those elements are toxic to human tissues. What have we done? the Holocaust of autism, shows us that we need some new methods for bringing science into medicine.
Posted by: Cherry Misra | June 07, 2016 at 01:58 AM
Is Marco Arturo the prodigy a hoax?
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/is-marco-arturo-the-prodigy-a-hoax/
{Update 6-6-2016: Walgreens has revoked their sponsorship of the Marco Arturo article on A Plus after a campaign by Hear This Well and hundreds of parents of vaccine injured children.}
Posted by: Danchi | June 06, 2016 at 11:12 PM
Birgit Calhoun, A Brilliant Summary! - thank you, as boiled down at it gets.
Posted by: david m burd | June 06, 2016 at 09:32 PM
Cia, My initial comment cited 1942 (my premature birth), and my brothers were born 1940 & 1945. Way BEFORE the DTP shot(s). And we certainly not have any diphtheria shots like your mother, that was cancelled sometime after your mother's shot, because of its terrible toxicities.
And we certainly did not receive any polio shots during the 1940s (instituted later during the Panic of mid-1950s, because early on my brothers and I (99% sure) in our infant years easily sailed through "subclinical" or "asymptomatic" infection of the polio virus, as been done throughout history for countless generations (well cited by Sirs Olmsted and Blaxill in their books and writings, and many others).
Of course the biggest Practical Joke was the 1955/56 polio shot we did in fact receive (a very bad joke as the new vaccines CAUSED countless misery, paralysis and death to many thousands) - when in fact my siblings and I and our generation were long ago permanently immune because of actual polio infection during infancy.
All of what I've said has been well documented by so many, but it has been cast aside by our Criminal Medical Cartel epitomized by the CDC and NIH who are hellbent to stonewall and protect their Empires.
To Justin: Try to absorb this unadulterated history of health, before the vaccine onslaught.
Posted by: david m burd | June 06, 2016 at 08:51 PM
David,
What was your generation? My mother reacted to the mercury-containing diphtheria vaccine in 1933, when she was four, with GI disease and Asperger's. The DPT was introduced in the US in 1948 and quickly became universally given. My brother and I both reacted to it with encephalitis and Asperger's. My parents and I got the smallpox vaccine when we were children. You didn't get any of those? We were a much healthier generation than now, though.
Posted by: cia parker | June 06, 2016 at 07:47 PM
Every treatment in medicine start out as anecdotal. The first smallpox vaccination and its success was anecdotal. Treating people with antibiotics was possible because of the accidental discovery of penicillin. The fact that it was discovered was anecdotal. The fact that it was made into a medicine was due to the fact that someone believed it.
Most medicine was not discovered because someone said I want to make a medicine. It starts with an anecdote. Medicine has never been pure science. So this idea that the pharmaceutical companies make their medicines because science comes first is not true. There are pharmacologists who scour the earth for herbs that are used in tribal medicines. Those tribes use their meds because of anecdotes.
The only reason why the anecdote that autism is caused by vaccines is not believed is because it is inconvenient. It's most inconvenient for dentists and medical doctors and pharmaceutical companies because believing that anecdote can result in big trouble.
Posted by: Birgit Calhoun | June 06, 2016 at 06:56 PM
PS to Linda1 and All; Especially Justin.
I was premature -- AND --- after actually being tempered by having all the child illnesses, I sailed through them barely knowing I was "sick", as did my brothers. If memory serves, families like mine had children that almost never missed a day of school because of sickness.
A critical factor must include we were all very well nourished and had plenty of sunshine play outdoors (while our parents relaxed while we played in the woods or at sandlot baseball, coming home for dinnertime, etc.)
As honest medical records clearly show, my generation was the healthiest ever -- without vaccines -- and immune through life WITHOUT BOOSTERS that are nothing if not toxic and dangerous.
Justin, think about it.
Posted by: david m burd | June 06, 2016 at 05:53 PM
Linda1,
THANKS for your providing the published Study re vaccinating "extreme low weight" premature babies.
I have read several other prior Studies on premature American babies, and their consequent terrible health (if they survived) while being vaccinated as if they were full term. I don't usually provide the actual PubMed references as they take such much time to digest; but you have -- thanks again.
The main point being as you so well made I agree with, and I contend, is the literal definition of indoctrinated medical-mindset insanity. To EVEN CONSIDER or CONTEMPLATE the injection of vaccines into premature babies.
AND, guess what? - these teeny little premature infants, many pounds less than full-term, are injected with the same doses that go into those full-term that get .50 milliliters of vaccine per shot, obviously including all the toxic excipients in the syringe.
These shots are going INTO 2-5 pound barely surviving preemies! AND, as recommended/directed by the U.S. CDC website! RIGHT ON THEIR CDC WEBSITE they direct medical personnel to administer all the vaccines into preemies that go into all full-term infants!!
NOTHING on Earth have I ever seen even remotely approaches such criminal medical behavior, and I've been around since 1942.
Posted by: david m burd | June 06, 2016 at 05:17 PM
@Linda1
A full-text PDF for "Adverse Events After Routine Immunization of Extremely Low-Birth-Weight Infants" is available at http://saigaiin.sakura.ne.jp/sblo_files/saigaiin/image/JAMA20Network20_20JAMA20Pediatrics20_20Adverse20Events20After20Routine20Immunization20o.pdf
This is a horrific study. They obfuscated the injuries by looking at "incidence per ... 1000 patient-days in the postimmunization period..." (They should have looked at adverse events with and without vaccination, geez...)
For typical NICU stays, this translates into almost every infant having serious injury following vaccination, versus 25% having serious issues without vaccination. But the conclusion is "Our findings provide no evidence to suggest that physicians should not use combination vaccines in ELBW infants." Wow. Really.
Posted by: Tim Lundeen | June 06, 2016 at 05:12 PM
I have to point out that on the preemie study I just posted, where it says "Results Most of the 13,926 infants (91.2%) received 3 or more immunizations." The study also explains that combination vaccines were counted as 1 immunization.
"We identified a total of 13,926 infants who received a total of 48,853 immunizations..."
Vaccinations were:
"receipt of at least one immunization (diphtheria, tetanus toxoids, and acellular pertussis [DTaP]; inactivated polio virus [IPV]; hepatitis B [HepB]; Haemophilus influenzae type B [HiB]; 7-valent and 13-valent pneumococcal conjugate; combination DTaP, IPV, and HepB; combination DTaP, IPV, and HiB; or combination HepB and HiB) between the ages of 53 and 110 days. This period allowed us to capture most immunizations administered at approximately 2 months (60 days) of age, the recommended age of scheduled immunizations, excluding the HepB vaccine. COMBINATION PRODUCTS WERE TREATED AS ONE IMMUNIZATION. Infants discharged during the 3-day observation window were excluded unless the discharge was due to death."
I like Laura Hayes' analogy highlighting how idiotic it is to count more than one vaccine in a syringe as one vaccine. She says something like, 'if you put 9 shots of whisky in a glass, and drink it down, did you just have one drink?'
I also saw in a published editorial to this preemie study that some NICUs prescribe Tylenol after vaccination to prevent fever. http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2300374
We know that that is not a good idea. Tylenol is linked to autism. Great article here. This is another one that you have to read, Justin (sorry, but really, as a new parent, you do):
http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/09/tylenol-inflammation-and-autism.html
Duke University PhD recommends that children never be given acetaminophen (Tylenol) and explains why.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 06, 2016 at 05:02 PM
Justin,
One more article. This one is from the CDC and FDA last year. Please note the beginning statement: "Limited data exist on the safety of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine in adults."
How many years have they been recommending the MMR for adults without any evidence of safety? Decades. And they act like it's nothing. No big deal. Business as usual when it comes to vaccines.
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"Clin Infect Dis. 2015 May 15;60(10):e58-65. doi: 10.1093/cid/civ061. Epub 2015 Jan 30.
Adverse Events Following Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccine in Adults Reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 2003-2013.
Sukumaran L1, McNeil MM2, Moro PL2, Lewis PW2, Winiecki SK3, Shimabukuro TT2.
Author information
1Immunization Safety Office, Division of Healthcare Quality Promotion, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Emory University School of Medicine, Atlanta, Georgia.
2Immunization Safety Office, Division of Healthcare Quality Promotion, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
3Office of Biostatistics and Epidemiology, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, US Food and Drug Administration, Silver Spring, Maryland.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Limited data exist on the safety of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine in adults. We reviewed reports of adverse events (AEs) to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to assess safety in this previously understudied group.
METHODS:
VAERS is the national spontaneous vaccine safety surveillance system coadministered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration. We searched the VAERS database for US reports of adults aged ≥19 years who received the MMR vaccine from 1 January 2003 to 31 July 2013. We clinically reviewed reports and available medical records for serious AEs, pregnancy reports, and reports for selected prespecified outcomes.
RESULTS:
During this period, VAERS received 3175 US reports after MMR vaccine in adults. Of these, 168 (5%) were classified as serious, including 7 reports of death. Females accounted for 77% of reports. The most common signs and symptoms for all reports were pyrexia (19%), rash (17%), pain (13%), and arthralgia (13%). We did not detect any new safety findings in empirical Bayesian data mining. We identified 131 reports of MMR vaccine administered to a pregnant woman; the majority of these vaccinations were in the first trimester and in 83 (62%), no AE was reported.
CONCLUSIONS:
In our review of VAERS data, we did not detect any new or unexpected safety concerns for MMR vaccination in adults. We identified reports of pregnant women exposed to MMR, which is a group in whom the vaccine is contraindicated, suggesting the need for continued provider education on vaccine recommendations and screening.
© The Author 2015. Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. All rights reserved. For Permissions, please e-mail: [email protected]."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=PMID%3A+25637587
Posted by: Linda1 | June 06, 2016 at 04:14 PM
Justin,
You have made a significant contribution to getting the truth to the public. Really all excellent interviews. I was thinking though, as I had some trouble following who was speaking when you inserted the other voices on this last one, that transcripts of the shows would enable folks to identify the speakers. I wouldn't change the unique style of the broadcast though. It is fast paced and very effective.
To add to what David Burd wrote today, I want to share with you one of the most important articles that shows the mindset of the medical community with regard to vaccination. The entire article was online when it came out last year, but I think it may have been taken down. If anyone has the link to the whole thing, please post it:
Here is the abstract:
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"Original Investigation | August 2015
Adverse Events After Routine Immunization of Extremely Low-Birth-Weight Infants
Stephen D. DeMeo, DO1; Sudha R. Raman, PhD2; Christoph P. Hornik, MD, MPH1,2; Catherine C. Wilson, DNP, NNP-BC, FNP-BC3; Reese Clark, MD4; P. Brian Smith, MD, MPH, MHS1,2
[-] Author Affiliations
1Department of Pediatrics, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, North Carolina
2Duke Clinical Research Institute, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, North Carolina
3Greenville Hospital System, Greenville, South Carolina
4Pediatrix-Obstetrix Center for Research and Education, Sunrise, Florida
JAMA Pediatr. 2015;169(8):740-745. doi:10.1001/jamapediatrics.2015.0418.
Importance Immunization of extremely low-birth-weight (ELBW) infants in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) is associated with adverse events, including fever and apnea or bradycardia, in the immediate postimmunization period. These adverse events present a diagnostic dilemma for physicians, leading to the potential for immunization delay and sepsis evaluations.
Objective To compare the incidence of sepsis evaluations, need for increased respiratory support, intubation, seizures, and death among immunized ELBW infants in the 3 days before and after immunization.
Design, Setting, and Participants In this multicenter retrospective cohort study, we studied 13 926 ELBW infants born at 28 weeks’ gestation or less who were discharged from January 1, 2007, through December 31, 2012, from 348 NICUs managed by the Pediatrix Medical Group.
Exposures At least one immunization between the ages of 53 and 110 days.
Main Outcomes and Measures Incidence of sepsis evaluations, need for increased respiratory support, intubation, seizures, and death.
Results Most of the 13 926 infants (91.2%) received 3 or more immunizations. The incidence of sepsis evaluations increased from 5.4 per 1000 patient-days in the preimmunization period to 19.3 per 1000 patient-days in the postimmunization period (adjusted rate ratio [ARR], 3.7; 95% CI, 3.2-4.4). The need for increased respiratory support increased from 6.6 per 1000 patient-days in the preimmunization period to 14.0 per 1000 patient-days in the postimmunization period (ARR, 2.1; 95% CI, 1.9-2.5), and intubation increased from 2.0 per 1000 patient-days to 3.6 per 1000 patient-days (ARR, 1.7; 95% CI, 1.3-2.2). The postimmunization incidence of adverse events was similar across immunization types, including combination vaccines when compared with single-dose vaccines. Infants who were born at 23 to 24 weeks’ gestation had a higher risk of sepsis evaluation and intubation after immunization. A prior history of sepsis was associated with higher risk of sepsis evaluation after immunization.
Conclusions and Relevance All ELBW infants in the NICU had an increased incidence of sepsis evaluations and increased respiratory support and intubation after routine immunization. Our findings provide no evidence to suggest that physicians should not use combination vaccines in ELBW infants. Further studies are needed to determine whether timing or spacing of immunization administrations confers risk for the developing adverse events and whether a prior history of sepsis confers risk for an altered immune response in ELBW infants."
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Just a few comments - This study was highlighted last year when a NICU nurse came forward and pointed out the harm that is being done. These neonatologists KNOW that they are harming infants and somehow they rationalize that it's ok because they're performing a "routine" procedure. It's absolute insanity. This study was on infants born so early that by the time they were 2 months old, the average age of vaccination in the study, they wouldn't be full term if they had stayed in the womb. And yet, the doctors decided that they should all be vaccinated *on time* so that they stay on schedule - the current practice (was not years ago) - knowing full well that many of these tiny fragile babies, even though stable before vaccination, would within 3 days of vaccination develop fevers, stop breathing (apnea), have episodes where their heart rate would drop abnormally low (bradycardia), they would require life saving measures, that they would need a work-up to determine if they had sepsis (blood infection). The study poses the question of whether single vaccines are tolerated better than combination vaccines and they conclude that the babies get sick and some die either way (five died within 3 days after vaccination). Instead of saying maybe we shouldn't be doing this anymore, no, the recommendation is to continue with the combination vaccines since switching to single ones won't make a difference! Oh, and they call for more research, as if they are studying mice! What really got me too, is that the article states that the parents of these 13,000+ babies did not know/were not informed that their babies were in this study "because the data lacked patient identifiers".
Here are some quotes from the body of the paper:
"Apnea and bradycardia are also commonly observed adverse events in the postimmunization period. [14] The DTaP-containing vaccines have been of particular concern because the whole-cell pertussis vaccine has been cited as causing apnea and bradycardia in 7% of preterm infants [15], and more recently, apnea and bradycardia have been observed after immunization with the acellular pertussis vaccine component[16]. Several Studies [17,18], have found an increased risk of events leading to new requirements for respiratory support, especially in ELBW infants with significant lung disease, a history of sepsis during hospitalization[17], and preimmunization apnea [18], although other studies [19,20] have found no increased incidence in cardiorespiratory events after immunization among hospitalized infants in the NICU. These studies used much smaller cohorts than the current study....Older infants with a diagnosis of chronic lung disease who were still hospitalized in the NICU at the time of immunization also had a higher incidence of adverse events. [22] Regarding the use of combination vaccines, a 2007 study [22] of the hexavalent DTaP, IPV, HiB and HepB vaccine found that apnea and/or bradycardia occurred in 11% of study infants, demonstrating slightly higher rates of adverse events compared with single-dose vaccines. More recently, a retrospective study [3] in 2008 of 64 infants who received the combination DTaP, IPV, and HiB vaccine and the 7-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine found that 25% of study infants had clinically significant apnea and bradycardia. However, we do not have current information about the use of single-dose vs. combination vaccines in US NICUs. "
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Please note too that this was not the first study to conclude that babies tried to die after vaccination. They've known for years. They just keep accelerating this insanity.
These babies are not in immediate danger of contracting polio, diptheria, hepatitis, etc. that might justify their being given these life threatening injections. To the medical community that conducted this study, vaccination is a rite of passage. There is no medical justification. This is voodoo. It's child abuse. Infanticide. Infanticide has become routine pediatric practice.
And you know I have to point out that while these babies in NICU are being vaccinated with staff and respirators standing by waiting for them to stop breathing, what happens to the full term babies who get their vaccinations at pediatrician visits and then go home with their parents? Then they call what happens SIDS and then the medical community will say that what happened had nothing to do with the vaccines. It was a coincidence.
Posted by: Linda1 | June 06, 2016 at 04:03 PM
Greg: The "Marco from Mexico" propaganda stunt was sponsored by Walgreens. The family now has some extra cash. I have initiated a personal boycott, informing them with my letter to this address:
ATTN: Consumer Relations
Walgreen Company
1419 Lake Cook Rd.
MS #L390
Deerfield, IL 60015
Levi Quackenboss has covered this extensively on his blog, and attracted some of the most virulent and tireless trolls I've ever seen. They are desperate. Vaxxed is the knockout punch. One on our side, though, goes by my all time favorite pseudonym-Dorito Reiss!
Posted by: Gary Ogden | June 06, 2016 at 02:23 PM
Cia brings up a great point that has a tendency to get lost in the for or against narratives : informed consent.
I have been shocked at how many parents have said their child was vaccinated for Hep B in the hospital as a newborn without the parents consent.
In one of the Vaxxed q and a's, an audience member stated that while hospitalized for a surgery, she was vaccinated without her permission. She discovered it in her medical records.
Our military were forced to take an experimental Anthrax vaccine (while accidentally exposed CDC personnel were offered a choice).
And then there is the issue of foster children vaccinated against parents wishes, and the growth of legislation that permits children to be vaccinated in schools without parents permission.
The problem seems to be growing, since there is no check and balance for this.
Posted by: Greyone | June 06, 2016 at 01:39 PM
Justin,
Here are some more children who won in court on their parents' claim that vaccines caused their autism. The MMR in all of those listed, I'm also including a link to congressional testimony by school nurse Patti White that the addition of the hep-B vaccine for newborns in 1991 was the cause of the sudden deluge of autistic children entering Missouri kindergartens five years later. Judy Converse also testified at those same safety hearings in May 1999, and wrote a book about her son's severe encephalitic reaction to the hep-B vaccine, given to Ben, as it was to my baby daughter, without permission, and she reacted the same way, with screaming syndrome and autism. Mary's book Vaccine Epidemic includes excerpts from official documents admitting that vaccines could cause autism. An essay by Gay Tate, whose younger two children got severe autism and tested very high in mercury, they were born after the mercury burden in routine vaccines doubled with the addition of the HIb series in 1988, then tripled with the addition of the hep-B vaccine in 1991. Vaccine encephalitis and brain damage (including autism), however, can be caused by any vaccine, whether or not it has mercury and whether or not it's the MMR.
"The Liberty Beacon went on to describe the second court ruling that month, as well as similar previous verdicts writing, ‘Later the same month, the government suffered a second major defeat when young Emily Moller from Houston won compensation following vaccine-related brain injury that, once again, involved MMR and resulted in autism. The cases follow similar successful petitions in the Italian and US courts (including Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks, Misty Hyatt, Kienan Freeman, Valentino Bocca, and Julia Grimes) in which the governments conceded or the court ruled that vaccines had caused brain injury. In turn, this injury led to an ASD diagnosis. MMR vaccine was the common denominator in these cases.’"
Also Robert Fletcher in the UK.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/
http://www.vaccinationnews.org/Rally/SchoolNurseTestimony.htm
Judy Converse. When Your Doctor is Wrong: the Hep-b Vaccine and Autism
Posted by: cia parker | June 06, 2016 at 12:44 PM
Not only have the pro-vaxxers thrown in the towel, the towel is nowhere to be found, they're scrambling and their lies quickly fall apart upon just viewing the movie vaxxed, even to those new to vaccine/autism coverup, and really there's nothing they can do about.
Posted by: victorpavlovic | June 06, 2016 at 12:19 PM
http://www.naturalblaze.com/2016/06/the-u-s-military-personnels-smoking-gun-documentation-regarding-the-anthrax-vaccine.html
It all started in the military space :
If readers thought information a CDC whistleblower revealed in the movie VAXXED was disturbingly shocking, absolutely regrettable, and pure scientific fraud, what you are about to learn regarding the Anthrax vaccines given to U.S. military personnel, plus how the U.S. government and armed services top brass reacted regarding Anthrax-vaccine injuries, aka “Gulf War Syndrome,” and subsequently neglected vaccine-damaged service people ought to have everyone in this country, regardless of your stand on vaccinations—and especially the U.S. Congress—literally “up in arms” demanding ALL vaccinations be stopped as “crimes against humanity.”
Posted by: Hans Litten | June 06, 2016 at 12:11 PM
"Have the pro-vaxxers thrown in the towel? I am starting to think so!"
I agree , no-one is quite as willing to stick their necks out as they used to be .
And I have to say I think Deer is rattled . He sounded desperate and looking for a way out.
Posted by: Hans Litten | June 06, 2016 at 12:04 PM
Thank you so much for another excellent interview!! Excellent questions, and excellent snippets of additional info.
Mary Holland and Louis Conte are so intelligent, well informed, articulate, and reasonable - like many vaccine skeptics - totally contradicting the stereotypes promulgated by the vaccine establishment. Not wild eyed conspiracy theorists. Rational. The autism-vaccine connection is real.
Posted by: Twyla | June 06, 2016 at 12:02 PM
Regardless of which side you are on with the vaccine debate, you have to be stunned at the contrasting quality of the discourse coming from the two sides of late. We have the 'ant-vaxxers' presenting the explosive allegation of CDC research fraud in Vaxxed. The director, producer, and others featured in the film are also making themselves available for Q&A during the screenings, but it appears the pro-vaxxers are not taking up the challenge. Here, we also have Justin in his search for answers, seeking to maintain objectivity, and reaching out to Wakefield's arch nemesis, Deer, for interviews. And the pro-vaxxers? Well, they're countering with a 12-years-old Mexican boy, who is trolling the 'anti-vaxxers' on the Net.
Have the pro-vaxxers thrown in the towel? I am starting to think so!
Posted by: Greg | June 06, 2016 at 11:26 AM
One of the contestants on American Ninja Warriors last night was a guy who is completely bald, having developed alopecia at the age of 21. He was cheered on by a substantial group of bald children who seemed healthy. (The guy finished with the best time of the small group of finishers so he's in very good shape.)
Alopecia, I discovered later, is an auto-immune disease and a recognized side effect of vaccination, particularly hep B vaccination.
Learn something new every day.
Posted by: Carol | June 06, 2016 at 10:25 AM
Justin .. Mary and Lou are well qualified .. both by personal experience as well as self-informed .. to contribute critical information to your own .. as a first time dad .. "search for truth" .. regarding whether or not to vaccinate your now five week old daughter .. as recommended and approved by public health bureaucracies.
There are TWO major reasons why the questions of "vaccine safety" remain so controversial.
The first reason is official .. public health .. bureaucratic SOPHISTRY .. described by Webster's as: "a clever and plausible .. but .. FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT'.
In this interview .. you recognized "semantics" and some "strange lines in the sands" .. such as .. supposed "experts" claiming there was "brain damage but NOT autism .. though all the symptoms of autism are present .. and .. these supposed "experts" know the very definition of autism depends solely upon "symptoms".
THAT IS SOPHISTRY .. A CLEVER AND PLAUSIBLE .. BUT FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT.
The second reason is official .. public health bureaucratic "SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE" .. presented instead as "SOUND SCIENCE".
In this interview .. Mary, Lou, Barbara Loe Fischer, Sharyl Attkisson, Bernardine Healy .. raised serious question the scientific validity of the numerous epidemiological (population) studies that provide public health bureaucrats and their minions to piously claim the "science is in .. there is no link between vaccines and autism".
The REASON why the link between vaccines and autism continues to FESTER and GROW .. is because .. as Dr. Healy and MANY other simillarly qualified scientists argue .. "the SCIENCE that should have been done decades ago .. continues to remain .. deliberately .. UNDONE.
No better example than that is the absolute REFUSAL to conduct a scientific, independent study of vaccinated v. un-vaccinated populations .. to ascertain once and for all .. if BOTH populations have suffered the same .. inexplicable rise in chronic-autoimmune disorders .. that were far less common in all previous .. LESS VACCINATED GENERATIONS. (Common sense that!)
Justin my friend, you should be aware of "SOPHISTRY" and what "SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE" .. being argued by those who so viciously attack anyone who dares question the "safety of vaccines".
After all .. why the hell are these people so determined to prevent the SCIENCE Dr. Healy believes should have been done .. or .. the vaccinated v. unvaccinated study .. UNLESS they are TERRIFIED OF WHAT THAT COMMON SENSE SCIENCE WILL PROVE???
Posted by: bob moffit | June 06, 2016 at 09:39 AM
And in case you haven't run across it yet, there is the Italian Court that found in favor of parents who claimed vaccine-induced autism, a story that was covered here on AoA and elsewhere:
GlaxoSmithKline's own internal documents show vaccines cause autism. Revealed in Italian lawsuit.
http://bit.ly/1DmnrJ8
Sharyl Attkinson has a well-documented article on the overall issue:
https://sharylattkisson.com/u-s-health-officials-vaccine-brain-injuries-top-2000-relatively-very-rare/
Posted by: David Taylor | June 06, 2016 at 09:26 AM
Justin--Another clear cut case of the Vaccine Court handing down an award for vaccine-induced autism is that of Bailey Banks. The government removed the pdf of his case that was found here:
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Abell.BANKS.02-0738V.pdf (see footnote 4)
I created a meme that quotes directly from the case here: http://www.peakwriting.com/stop-bailey_banks.jpg
PDD-NOS is in the center of the autism spectrum and is/was my son's diagnosis.
Thanks for your continued work.
Posted by: David Taylor | June 06, 2016 at 09:17 AM
Above ALL ELSE, the time honored medical proverb "First, do no harm" has been completely cast aside by the dogmatic and gullible acceptance of vaccines.
It never stops amazing me how gullible, ignorant, trusting, and naive are parents who have their newborns "grabbed and stabbed" with toxic-loaded vaccines. But, even worse are the legion of pediatricians and nurses that have blithely accepted the dogma they've been taught to never question what harm (and death) they are literally causing.
Justin: First, do no harm to your new baby.
Posted by: david m burd | June 06, 2016 at 07:43 AM
Justin,
Again, good interview, albeit utterly contrasting in viewpoint to the one previous. Lou and Mary were very succinct in highlighting many of the crucial points, and, as opposed to Deer, employed no such techniques of obfuscation, since such methods are self-defeating if one desires nothing but to be understood.
Posted by: Eddie Unwind | June 06, 2016 at 07:37 AM
Watch the entire impassioned speech by Ms. Ealey, herself the parent of a vaccine injured son.
This is the best I've ever seen .
http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/resistance-to-vaccine-medical-tyranny-growing-in-the-u-s-as-vaxxed-film-gains-wider-audience/
Holocaust
Rosa Parks
Get off the Bus
BOYCOTT ALL DOCTORS
ENOUGH is ENOUGH
THEY CANT TAKE US ALL
ENRAGED
TAKE BACK OUR CHILDREN
STAND WITH US against the CDC - GOVT
TIME TO RISE UP
MOTHERS UNITE
PRAY
STOP THE SLAVERY
FACISM
MEDICAL TYRANNY
LIVES ON THE LINE
CONJCENTRATION CAMPS
Posted by: Hans Litten | June 06, 2016 at 07:24 AM
http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/resistance-to-vaccine-medical-tyranny-growing-in-the-u-s-as-vaxxed-film-gains-wider-audience/
Smiling so Much - WATCH THIS - this makes me happy . I've been waiting for this (I'm white) .
GET OFF THE BUS (like Rosa Parks) _ NO MORE OF THIS HOLOCAUST
RISE UP against the "CDC reich" .
Posted by: Hans Litten | June 06, 2016 at 06:52 AM
Justin Kanew - it isn't complicated at all - do not vaccinate your daughter - SIMPLE
Vaccines are a lie from Start To Finish .
Posted by: Hans Litten | June 06, 2016 at 06:19 AM