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June 26, 2016, Andy Wakefield sat down with Polly and Jonathan Tommey to discuss the impact of the vaccine measles virus on the health of children, along with what’s happening with the “Vaxxed” tour, and what lies ahead. He also talked about the relationship between live virus vaccines and aluminum and mercury used in other vaccines.

View the FB Video Here.

Andy began by explaining that babies don't have a natural measles protection any longer from their mothers (because of the artificial immunity from the MMR) and they would be especially vulnerable if everyone stopped vaccinating. He also explained that the measles vaccine has dramatically changed the measles virus.

“If you interfere with the natural processes that have been established over tens of thousands of years, if you make assumptions about things as collectively sophisticated as viruses, then nature will exact a very, very big price, and it won’t necessarily do so immediately. ...

“So if you interfere with the natural process of infection, take measles as an example. By changing the strain of the virus that people are exposed to, changing the age at which people are exposed—because when there was natural exposure--the mean age was four, five, six, seven, when kids went to school, and you change that to 12 to 18 months, if you change the route by which you’re exposed to a virus, if you change the dose of the virus people are getting, if you change the way in which they’re exposed to other viruses at the same time, like mumps and rubella—if you change all of those things in a heartbeat effectively, then that is a massive change in the dynamic of that infection and its host, the human being.  You must expect a huge consequence to come down the line.

“Why? Because these viruses are geared up to adapt, geared up to survive and they’ll do so at any cost. They have an infinite capacity to mutate very rapidly to produce new variants of the virus that are capable of surviving …And they’ll produce new diseases as well, new manifestations of the same old disease.

“That’s what’s happened with vaccination. In a very short period of time the entire way in which the human race sees the virus has been changed dramatically.

“I say that because we’re seeing the consequence of that I believe in a pandemic of neurodevelopmental disorders in children.”

According to Andy, getting out of this scenario has to be done carefully because any change from the artificial immunity from the measles vaccine also puts children at risk. He talked about how this could be done.

Next the discussion moved to our current vaccine schedule without either informed consent or choice.

Here are some of Andy’s remarks.

"[Parents] are threatened with all kinds of dire consequences if they don't [vaccinate]."

"It must stop. It must stop. This whole coercive process. It's not the mark of a successful system that relies on public confidence in vaccine policy makers. It's a failure. When you threaten someone, ...what kind of system is that? That's a system that has failed. The way you have to mandate vaccines because people's instincts and their understanding tell them that this is not safe, there are problems and we're being lied to--which we now know we are.


"When you have to mandate, that is not the sign of a system that's succeeding. It's a complete and utter failure."

Then Andy talked about what’s happening with “Vaxxed”

“I think one of the most interesting things is Polly’s camera was disabled by a hacker on her phone, so she could no longer broadcast. Now that tells us they are just terrified. And these stories are reaching—one story went to now…400,000. Those are numbers that are clearly terrifying the opposition, and they decided to take action and hack her phone. …

“So it’s having the impact that it’s meant to be having, that it should be having, and people are getting the message.

“Wednesday we are going to Los Angeles. We’re being joined by Del and Sheila Ealey, and Dr. Rachel Ross, and we are speaking at the Santa Monica rally in protest to SB277.

“Then there are openings of the movie in Las Vegas. …Then it’s showing again in Pittsburgh. Then there is going to be a showing, hopefully to politicians, in D.C. “

Polly said there will be Q and As in all three places.

Andy next talked about what parents can do. “Clearly people have got [U.S. Congressman Jason] Chaffetz’s attention.”

A senior staffer in Congress who’s been a longtime contact of Andy’s gave him this advice:
 

“The most important things people can do, when your Congressman, your Representative, comes home in mid July…please, please, please, take your vaccine damaged child to his [or her] office. …Do not be put off by staffers who don’t want your child in the office. …They have to understand what it is like living with a vaccine injured child. That is going to have the most impact of all.

“So take your child to see your Congressman in his district office when he comes home in mid-July—because he [or she] needs to give support to the members of the Oversight Committee in bringing Thompson and his fellow fraudsters before the Oversight Committee. That is the most important thing that can happen now.”

Andy continued talking about the impact of the children’s stories being recorded on video at “Vaxxed” screenings. He said it isn’t just the children who have been damaged by vaccines and forgotten, but also “the parents of children who have died—so many deaths, absolutely heartbreaking.”

“Vaxxed” has given parents who were left to grieve alone a voice, according to Andy.

“And the way the doctors have responded to those deaths is, to me, the most terrible thing, the most terrible thing. ‘I know the vaccines killed your child, but I’m never going to say so.’

Andy gave the example of a child involved in a clinical trial for a vaccine who died within 48 hours of receiving the injection. The doctor denied a connection. Andy added that any death in a trial would result in the vaccine being pulled, so of course there was no link.

Jonathan Tommey asked Andy about pretesting kids to determine those whose immune systems couldn’t handle vaccines.  Andy said that here’s where use of aluminum and mercury comes in.

“If you take a child and you preload them with vaccines that contain aluminum and thimerosal, that skew the immune system towards a pro-allergic type— that creates an inadequate anti-viral response, and then you give them a live viral vaccine like MMR, they can’t handle it. That’s immunodeficiency….”

Andy went on to talk about what’s next for “Vaxxed.”

“The next thing’s that going to happen is Theatrical on Demand. What that means is …for example, communities where you don’t have enough people to sustain a week’s run of the movie in a theater, we go to Theatrical on Demand where you can do a night or two nights screenings. It all goes through the movie theater, but you buy tickets and when you achieve a certain number, you have reserved the theater for that night, it’s going to make enough money for that night…. And the local ambassador rallies the local community, you pack it out. And that’s the next thing that’s going to happen.”

This means “Vaxxed” can be everywhere, according to Polly. Jonathan noted that there would be new “Vaxxed” merchandize at the upcoming screenings. http://vaxxedthemovie.com/ As Jonathan mentioned, “ ‘Vaxxed’ merchandise helps to create awareness of the movement.”

Andy added, “The other thing we roll out very soon is special interest groups—churches, doctors’ offices, communities—getting the screenings. …We’re really, really, really keen to get churches involved.”

Andy summarized the situation at the end of the video when they were discussing California State Senator Richard Pan’s latest actions.

“We have the truth on our side. …The measure of how successful ‘Vaxxed’ has been, and how things are changing, is just  how angry the other side is getting.”

Comments

Tim Lundeen

@Gareth Hawker

I watched (on video) a presentation by Dr Wakefield, where he said that if he had to decide today, he wouldn't vaccinate at all. But don't have a link...

Gareth Hawker

I may have missed something here, but I could not work out what Dr Wakefield would suggest to a young woman about to give birth. Should she vaccinate her child?

Presumably he maintains his old position, give one vaccine at a time. But given the known dangers of this approach, I wonder what the evidence is (if any) that this is a safer option than not vaccinating at all.

david m burd

PS to All regarding "vaccine excipients"!

These excipients are toxic substances including an array of chemicals, cellular proteins and cells from human and animal sources, adjuvants such as Aluminum compounds, various foreign oils, surfactants, detergents, formaldehydes, etc..

Vitally important, ALL vaccines have contaminants to varying, and unknown, degrees. NONE of which can be anything other than dangerous to a baby.

Everybody can easily 'google' "CDC vaccine excipients" and see the List of Horrors for all the vaccines.

DO IT, and pass it on.

david m burd

Gary Ogden, Thanks for your comment citing vaccines' toxic excipients that are in all vaccines.

Unfortunately, even here on AoA most have no grasp of these vaccines ingredients (aka excipients).

It is beyond my comprehension that such toxins and foreign substances could ever be approved to inject into newborns at birth, in their first months of life, and for their first couple years.

HOW CAN WE LET THIS HORROR OF INJECTED TOXINS INTO INFANTS CONTINUE?

Benedetta

Thanks Gary:
For the information. That is very kind of you to look them all up.

So there is not pertussis toxins in the Hep B.

Jeannette Bishop

Dr. Wakefield brings up some important considerations, as always.

Regarding nasal flu vaccine, linked below:

"The nasal spray's low effectiveness is somewhat surprising, experts say — in earlier studies, the spray performed just as well as, and sometimes better than, the flu shot. The nasal spray contains live, weakened flu viruses, which, in theory, can produce a stronger immune response than the killed flu viruses that are in the flu shot, the CDC said."

Why are they really discontinuing it? It's not like they had any evidence of efficacy, despite having studies, for the groups they initially recommended mostly thimerosal containing flu vaccine for...that didn't deter them then. Maybe I'm too cynical, but I just can't believe that decision is about what they say it's about.

Gary Ogden

Benedetta: Here are the excipients for all the licensed Hep B vaccines (as of 4/15):
Hib/Hep B (Comvax): yeast (vaccine contains no detectable yeast DNA), nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, hemin chloride, soy peptone, dextrose, mineral salts, amino acids, formaldehyde, potassium aluminum sulfate, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, sodium borate, phenol, ethanol, enzymes, detergent
Hep B (Engerix-B): aluminum hydroxide, yeast protein, phosphate buffers, sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate
Hep B (Recombivax): yeast protein, soy peptone, dextrose, amino acids, mineral salts, potassium aluminum sulfate, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, formaldehyde, phosphate buffer
Hep A/Hep B (Twinrix): formalin, yeast protein, aluminum phosphate, aluminum hydroxide, amino acids, phosphate buffer, polysorbate 20, neomycin sulfate, MRC-5 human diploid cells

Ronald Kostoff

Bob Moffit,

"if you interfere with the natural process of infection .. you must expect huge consequences down the line."

With all due respect, I've stated that before, both on AoA and in some of my publications. My statement stems from the 'Hygiene Hypothesis', which views exposure to (and experiencing of) childhood infectious diseases and other types of microbes as protective measures against more serious non-communicable diseases at a later date. That's why it's important to do the longer-term vaccine safety studies, since that may allow us to see the adverse consequences at later times of 'eliminating' the traditional childhood infectious diseases. I have no disagreement with Andy's argument about how the viruses will mutate when we interfere with the use of vaccines.

The presence of the additional potentially toxic environmental factors only increases the load on the immune system, and makes the immune system less able to cope with the measles (or any other type of) virus. That's what I found in my SARS study, where the 10% of the people who presented with SARS did not survive, and had many co-morbidities that placed an overwhelming burden on their immune systems.

There's no disagreement here.

Bob Moffit

@ Ronald Kostoff

I have nothing but great respect for your comments .. but .. I think you have missed Wakefield's entire premise .. which I understand to be:

" if you interfere with the natural process of infection .. you must expect huge consequences down the line."

I think Andy is talking .. specifically .. about a VACCINE .. that will have "huge consequences down the line" for all future generations. Why? As Andy explains:

“Because these viruses are geared up to adapt, geared up to survive and they’ll do so at any cost. They have an infinite capacity to mutate very rapidly to produce new variants of the virus that are capable of surviving …And they’ll produce new diseases as well, new manifestations of the same old disease."

My friend .. unlike yourself .. I am a self-admitted .. uneducated .. "joe six pack" grandpa .. and .. I agree with Andy .. the (MEASLES VACCINE) VIRUS WILL ADAPT AT ANY COST .. THE VIRUS WILL MUTATE VERY RAPIDLY .. PRODUCING NEW VARIANTS .. NEW DISEASES AS WELL.

In other words .. the Measles virus would NOT have adapted as it has .. and .. all indications suggest it threatens to become even more virulent .. if not for the VACCINE.

And so .. I would respectfully disagree .. as you stated .. some type of comparable measles virus "mutation" should be expected .. due to the "many destructive environmental factors" now emplaced in our lives .. viewing them as threatening to future generations as are the recommended and approved .. "one size fits all" VACCINE .. which is specifically designed to PREVENT THE MEASLES VIRUS.

Dumb as I am .. I think Andy has it exactly right .. that MEASLES VACCINE WILL CAUSE THE MEASLES VIRUS TO MUTATE IN RESPONSE .. AS ALL VIRUSES HAVE DONE TO SURVIVE.

Tim Lundeen

@ronald kostoff

I agree that there is a lot of synergy in the toxic explosion since 1989. One of the big factors starting then is the increase in the number of vaccine doses, especially to infants.

There's a good video about how small amounts of multiple toxins affect kids, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6KoMAbz1Bw

go Trump

I believe we are still looking for ANY medical professional

...who will take the six-month infant vaccines plus a two dose mercury flu shot adjusted to their body weight...

NO flu spray next season as the damn stuff does not work... any refunds for a few hundred million doses ???

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/06/24/no-flu-nasal-spray-next-season-why-is-this-vaccine-not-working.html

Benedetta

I think Jenny that Ronald is right in line with what Dr. Wakefield was saying about vaccines, as well as drawing the link to additional environmental insults like Dan and Mark are talking about when it comes to polio and arsenic - and mercury.

I just adding to his list what Dr. Wakefield has added and that is - other vaccines that weaken the immune system -- top of the list is the whooping cough vaccine which it's rich history with Congress passing the 1986 indemnity law - instead of dealing with it , and here we are 30 years later we still have it and it is still damaging immune systems ---

Some one said here that the Hep B uses as it adjuvant the toxoid of the pertussis, is that true?

Ronald Kostoff

Jenny,

"although you don't say it outright, your comment seems to imply that due to additional environmental factors, people shouldn't be wasting their time on investigating, targeting, or going out of their way not to vaccinate. Is that the point or perception you are trying to convey?"

No! It appears to me that vaccination today is more dangerous than vaccination of decades ago, due to the myriad additional contributing factors that have become more prevalent in our environment (e.g., wireless radiation, glyphosate, atrazine, biosludge, etc). For example, consider MMR starting from its initial introduction in 1971 in the USA. For about 17 years, its use was roughly constant at about 6M doses/year. Increases in some conditions occurred (e.g. autism), but they were modest over that time period. In ~1989, the MMR dose doubled and has remained roughly constant. A few years later the number of cell phones started to rise rapidly, the use of glyphosate started to rise rapidly, as did other potentially toxic stimuli. Starting from the early 90s, the autism rate began to take off.

My interpretation of the data is that the MMR vaccine in isolation (1971-1989) was insufficient to trigger the rapid increase in autism. However, in concert with the other rapidly increasing toxic stimuli mentioned above, the MMR vaccine appears to have enabled the rapid increase in autism. The rapid increases in autism parallel the rapid increases in e.g. cell phone subscriptions, glyphosate use, etc. While these relationships are correlations, credible mechanisms have been generated to allow conclusions that they are contributing factors. Could wireless radiation, glyphosate, etc, be responsible for this autism epidemic by themselves, as proponents such as Martin Pall and Stephanie Seneff have suggested? Possibly, but I doubt it. There have been too many parents who observed regression into autism shortly after the MMR vaccine for this to be a coincidence. So, in my estimation, it is the combination of the vaccine with the other toxic stimuli that results in these devastating symptoms.

This phenomenon is not unique to vaccines. I am coming out with an update to my paper on health impacts of non-ionizing radiation in combination with other agents. There are many cases where two potentially toxic stimuli have no or very little effect in isolation, but when combined can have major adverse impacts. I think that's what we're seeing with the MMR vaccine. There are probably many other adverse impacts from the vaccine, but we don't test for carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, long-term effects, etc, so we have no way of knowing.

Jenny

Thanks Bill, I appreciate your comment on Ronald's comment, but call me dense. I still don't get it.

Since Ronald has become a regular contributor, I'm really interested in his take so that I am clear on whether or not I understand HIS opinion - better to get it right from the horse's mouth. Ronald, do you think it is important to investigate vaccines independently and publicize their problems with safety and effectiveness regardless of the other extenuating circumstances in our modern environment? Is there value in it?

Cynthia Cournoyer

As parents stop vaccinating their children for measles (also stopping mumps and rubella by necessity of the MMR), we have a growing population that manifestly defies any gloom and doom if we all stop vaccinating. The unvaccinated are far and away more healthy than the vaccinated. Shouldn't that be enough?

Bill Pembry

Jenny, I think he's saying it's the astroturf.

Jenny

Ronald, although you don't say it outright, your comment seems to imply that due to additional environmental factors, people shouldn't be wasting their time on investigating, targeting, or going out of their way not to vaccinate. Is that the point or perception you are trying to convey?

Danchi

Christina England has written a very interesting piece here:

Measles Vaccine Scandal: World Governments Have Known It Can Cause Neurological Disorders Since 1970’s
https://healthimpactnews.com/2016/measles-vaccine-scandal-world-governments-have-known-it-can-cause-neurological-disorders-since-1970s/

Bob Moffit

Andy's closing words:

"“We have the truth on our side. …The measure of how successful ‘Vaxxed’ has been, and how things are changing, is just how angry the other side is getting.”

TRUTH TO POWER .. AMEN TO THAT!!

God bless Andy, his wonderful family, Polly and Jonathon Tommey .. and .. my newest hero .. Del Bigtree for their powerful message in VAXXED .. FINALLY .. reaching "we the people" who have been denied this critical message for decades.

I compare it to the Berlin Wall sudden collapse ...

Benedetta

Ronald;
Other vaccines given before the MMR also plays a role.
With the aluminum and mercury - damaging the immune system.

Wow!

Ronald Kostoff

"So if you interfere with the natural process of infection, take measles as an example. By changing the strain of the virus that people are exposed to, changing the age at which people are exposed—because when there was natural exposure--the mean age was four, five, six, seven, when kids went to school, and you change that to 12 to 18 months, if you change the route by which you’re exposed to a virus, if you change the dose of the virus people are getting, if you change the way in which they’re exposed to other viruses at the same time, like mumps and rubella—if you change all of those things in a heartbeat effectively, then that is a massive change in the dynamic of that infection and its host, the human being. You must expect a huge consequence to come down the line." In addition to the above virus-related changes, there is a radically different physical environment in which the 'host' is living. There is substantial wireless radiation in the background, there are new pesticides, there is biosludge, astroturf, and many other harmful substances. So, one might expect that the effect of the virus on the host would be quite different with all the parallel assaults on the immune, neural et al systems. In other words, measles today may be far different in terms of severity and impact than the measles I saw in the late 30s/early 40s. I suspect that even if we were to eliminate vaccines today, the measles that would result might have far different consequences from the measles that existed before many of these destructive environmental factors were emplaced.

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