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GardasilBy Cathy Jameson

About a year ago, I chimed in on an online conversation.  A man, who I assumed had a daughter because of the type of questions he was asking, was curious about vaccines.  He was specifically curious about the HPV vaccine.  He was especially curious if there were any risk factors associated with it.

Like all vaccines on the CDC’s schedule, the HPV vaccine does come with risks.  Despite referencing that fact right from the CDC’s website, I, as well as a few other parents, were unable to fully convince this fellow that the HPV vaccine wasn’t all that great.  Of course, it’s not our job to convince anyone to do anything, especially when it comes to making personal health care choices, but since this fellow was asking for further information, several of us took the opportunity to tell him what we knew. 

Statistics from current data with references—many from mainstream sources – was shared.  From the tone of the dialogue, it seemed like that information was appreciated.  As far as online vaccine conversations go, I thought it was a great conversation.  

He asked more questions.  We supplied more answers.  For awhile there, it felt like this guy was hanging onto our every word.  He did that until some of us started to add personal information. 

In the past, personal experience is inevitably woven into these sorts of conversations, and why wouldn’t it?  Vaccine statistics are based on vaccines administered to everyday folk and their kids, but when some parents start sharing their firsthand observations about vaccines, including how our own typically healthy children ended up with documented medical issues post-vaccination, some people stop listening.  The beginning of the conversation may have gotten off to a good start, but could tell it was starting to change.  This guy had just about had his fill of our input. 

I couldn’t blame him. 

I know how far-fetched some of our stories sound – healthy child turns chronically sickly, or begins to lose skills, or goes from typically developing to having autism-like symptoms with the only change in routine being a “routine” round of vaccines.  Believe me, I was an unbeliever when I heard those kinds of stories, too!  The more hard-to-believe personal stories and reasons that were offered as to why parents like us were now vaccine hesitant, the less he listened.  I wasn’t surprised that this guy, like other parents who are desperate for more information, began to turn us off soon after. 

He, like lots of other people who begin to question vaccines, wanted only the “good” statistics.  He wanted to get his hands on only unbiased scientific-based articles that focused on just the benefits and not on negatives that sadly do exist.  I wanted to tell him, Good luck with finding all of that, buddy! but took a step back from the conversation for a few minutes instead. 

Sticker from the My Incredible Opinion shop 

Instead of being reassured from the vaccine “experts” in the field and being satisfied what they are publishing, his curiosity sparked an impromptu Q&A from just a couple of moms who knew more about vaccine negatives than positives.  I’m sure that if he kept researching, he could narrow the search and find only the industry’s positive view side of things quite easily, but he asked other parents – parents of vaccine-injured children – for their input.  The more the parents plied him with information, though, the quicker he dismissed that experience. 

Who were we to add doubt or a word of caution?  Well, we were former vaccine consumers willing to help a complete strangers. 

Unfortunately, the more I stayed involved on the thread, the more I could tell that my input wasn’t helping.  Not wanting to bow out of the convo yet, I lurked on the thread for a few minutes.  Doing more reading than chiming in, I knew exactly when it was time for me to completely walk away.  That happened when a question similar to this was asked:  What is the vaccine death rate compared to how many end up with the disease? 

Shocked, I broke my silence and asked, “How many deaths?  Isn’t one vaccine-related death enough?”

Sadly, it was not. 

Realizing that, I offered one more thought before I completely stepped away, “I hope whatever it is you’re looking for, you find it,” because it was clear that no matter how much information and no matter how much parental input I shared, it could not satisfy his quest for information.  I don’t know who the guy was besides that he was a friend of a friend and that he was, for a moment, openly curious and willing to listen to my thoughts about a vaccine that scares the crud out of me. 

The HPV vaccine may scare the crud out of me, but dismissing valuable parental input scares me even more.  I have a bad feeling that the only way he will find out if it was a worthwhile shot to get is if he goes ahead and gets it.  Like I said earlier, that’s his choice.  I just pray he has more than enough information to make it an informed choice and that he’ll be absolutely satisfied with it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5TnDtGKYw

Cathy Jameson is a Contributing Editor for Age of Autism.

Comments

Narad

@Hans Litten: Do you mean this statement by Offit: "Every year in this country, the HPV-9 [vaccine] would prevent about 29,000 cases of cancer—two thirds in girls, about one third in boys—and it would prevent about 4800 deaths."

I was referring to Gardasil-4 in my last post and not the newer Gardasil-9 that Offit is referring to. He is getting his numbers from the CDC and is assuming that Gardisil-9 will prevent every single HPV-associated cancer despite the fact that this vaccine only includes 9 of the 15 oncogenic HPV antigens. I cannot find the total CIN (2/3) percentage from the Gardasil-9 trials; I can only find the CIN percentage associated with 9 HPV strains. Without this figure, you cannot estimate how many cases of cervical cancer Gardisil-9 would prevent in total, you can only estimate how many cases associated with strains 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58 it would prevent.

What I said about Gardisil-4 still stands. We need someone like Shaw and Tomljenovic to dig up more data from the Gardasil-9 trials since Merck has not published it all.

Hans Litten

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/867772?nlid=109030_785&src=WNL_mdplsfeat_160830_mscpedit_nurs&uac=204210EN&spon=24&impID=1188260&faf=1

I am not saying Offit is an outright liar here , but his facts do not tally with yours Narad .

I understand the comments section which only Doctors are able to write to , was bedlam .
So even many of the Doctors are coming out strongly (honesty from Doctors ,now there is a rare thing).

Hans Litten

Narad | September 02, 2016 at 03:56 AM

great posting .
So what you are telling me here is that Gardakil is an outright fraud .
We should collaborate on a book !

D'Albergue :

The full extent of the Gardasil scandal needs to be assessed: everyone knew when this vaccine was released on the American market that it would prove to be worthless! Diane Harper, a major opinion leader in the United States, was one of the first to blow the whistle, pointing out the fraud and scam of it all.

Gardasil is useless and costs a fortune! In addition, decision-makers at all levels are aware of it!

Cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, paralysis of the lower limbs, vaccine-induced MS and vaccine-induced encephalitis can be found, whatever the vaccine.

I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all times because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine, technical and scientific feat that it may be, has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers.

There is far too much financial interest for these medicines to be withdrawn.

Narad

Besides the obvious safety issues of Gardasil, this vaccine is not nearly as effective at preventing Cervical Cancer as Merck would have us believe. The clinical data from the three pre-licensure studies combined show only a 16.9%¹ effectiveness at reducing the total number of type 2 and type 3 cervical intraepithelial neaplasias, a pre-cancerous surrogate marker for cervical cancer. This can be partially explained by the fact that Gardisil only includes antigens for 4 out of the 15 oncogenic HPV strains.
This vaccines' efficacy is further diminished by the fact that type 2 cervical neoplasias only develop into cancer 32%² of the time, and type 3 neoplasias 40%³ of the time. These facts reduce the prophylactic power of Gardisil for cervical cancer to between 5.4-6.8%.

¹http://www.mundonuevo.cl/admin/assets/uploads/entradas/5f87a-vacc+hpv+2013+british+columbia.pdf
²http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21099605
³http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(08)70103-7/abstract

Twyla

Another ingredient of Gardasil is: sodium borate.
See page 3 -
https://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_ppi.pdf

ATSC

Interesting talk here by Dr John Martin about stealth viruses and how companies switched from using rhesus monkey kidneys to African Green monkey kidneys to make the polio vaccine, after discovering that it was contaminated with SV40. They later discovered that the vaccine was contaminated with simian cytomegalovirus (SCMV) from the African Green monkeys. And covered it up.


@5.46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAJ1hARKOCU


Cait from Canada

As I understand it, these viruses are referred to as stealth viruses because they do not trigger an inflammatory response; they are therefore able to remain "under the radar" of the immune system.

Hans Litten

W John Martin, MD, PhD

Can you pls elaborate ? The link you referenced didn't help much
Are you talking about stealth ingredients ? (sv40 , HCG , Estradiol , Nagalase , squalene ?
Or smthg else ? Aids ?

Barry

I have provided a reasonable explanation to various patient support groups why HPV vaccine can induce neurological disease

*********

Offering theories about how these things are hurting people, is a risky proposition. Because if your theorist isn't 100 % accurate, then you're giving at least some people a false sense of safety.

The only thing that matters, is an understanding of the fact that these things CAN hurt people. Anyone, at anytime.

Once you understand that, it becomes pretty obvious that the only way they can hurt you ... is if you choose to be injected.

david m burd

@ W John Martin, MD, etc. You say "stealth adapted viruses" seem to have some kind of validity! You seem to accept that viruses can be "stealthy"(!).

How absurd can you get? Hey, I have a little bridge here in West Virginia I'll sell you, let me know, - and it includes West Virginia stealth viruses that only exist here in West-by-God Virginia.

W John Martin, MD, PhD

As shown in a March, 2011 posting to SaneVax, http://sanevax.org/?s=Provocation&cat=0 I have provided a reasonable explanation to various patient support groups why HPV vaccine can induce neurological disease in individuals infected with stealth adapted viruses. I have requested leaders of different support groups to have some of the parents of injured children contact me so that I might inquire further about the injuries. The patient advocates chose not to do so and showed little interest in understanding the science of stealth adaptation. I would like to think the situation will change and there will be an effort to learn about these viruses and about the alternative cellular energy (ACE) pathway. The e-mail address is wjohnmartin@ccid.org

Twyla

I just happened to see this story, belittling "anti-vax stories".
https://www.good.is/articles/anti-vax-stories
It's so crazy. You've got certain people who are probably deep into vaccine defense whose goal in life is to prevent the truth from being taken seriously, and the sheep who go along with them and believe that "anecdotes" don't matter because "science" has disproven all of these anecdotes - even though that "science" is just biased number crunching which hasn't disproven anything and certainly did not investigate these specific reports.

Epidemiology can generally only give clues about causation rather than proving or disproving, especially when there are multiple factors involved. And epidemiology is subject to manipulation.

"Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.'"
- Mark Twain, from his autobiography

I also happend to come across this quote from four years ago: “'It’s time that we started treating responsible parents as reliable witnesses to serious adverse reactions to medical procedures such as vaccination,' said Jennifer Larson, president of the Canary Party." So true. Barbara Loe Fisher's been saying that for many years, too. Frustrating, to say the least.

SO MANY reports of serious adverse reactions to HPV vaccines have been reported from many countries around the world. How can people keep ignoring this? We are told that the main reason for concern about HPV vaccination is that people are afraid of talking about sex. Yeah, right.

For decades we have been told that regression into autism after a round of vaccines is coincidental, because autism just happens to become evident at the age when vaccines are given. Now we are told that a teenager suddenly coming down with terribly serious disabling conditions after HPV vaccination is just a coincidence because - why? This has always happened to teenagers but just didn't make the news before?

Tim Lundeen

Dr Suzanne Humphries' new book,

    Rising from the Dead
, provides a good perspective about how the vaccine injury rates are distorted, based on her personal experience as a nephrologist. The CDC actually called her and asked why she was reporting so many injuries following vaccinations, because no one else was. Other doctors must have had the same experiences with their patients, they just didn't report it. She didn't even know about VAERS until after she started noticing vaccine injuries, and couldn't get her hospital to stop routine vaccination of incoming patients. So clearly the reported injury rates are a small fraction of the reality (and this is confirmed by actual studies).

https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Dead-Suzanne-Humphries-M-D/dp/0692648186/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466967294&sr=1-1&keywords=suzanne+humphries

Benedetta

Yeah, well; there was one of those parents on Joe's Kawasakis Disease website. Her adopted baby girl had Kawasakis as a baby and at first she thought it was related to vaccines, but later discounted it. How? I did not find out.

She was the Queen of that website. She snarled at anything about diet, or that kids could end up with brain injuries as well as heart trouble. Her baby girl was a beauty. She put her girl's picture up regularly and up date on her condition.

Her baby girl did not out grow the aneurysm near the heart; so they had for years kept a constant watch and test to see if it had grown any at all.

She reported several times that it had grown.

She then reported one day as the child reached 14 years old that she had gone to the doctor and they had got the flu shot - cause one time her baby girl did get the flu and that caused the aneurism to grow, so she was going to get that flu shot for now on. --- And she decided to get the HPV vaccine too. She said she was at first worried but after talking to the doctor she felt okay about it.

After all if anything happened she could sue that doctor. I swear she did. I told she could not sue, and that she had two more HPV vaccine boosters to go.

And they kicked me off the website.

Jenny Allan

"It was clear that no matter how much information and no matter how much parental input I shared, it could not satisfy his quest for information. I don’t know who the guy was besides that he was a friend of a friend."

A wee word of caution here. I expect this 'friend of a friend' was a bona fide concerned parent. I hope his daughter(s) have no ill effects from whatever vaccines are administered, and I commend any parent who takes the time and trouble to research all vaccines and medications prescribed for their children.

However, everyone please take care about revealing sensitive family and medical information to perfect strangers on the internet. Cathy's autism child history and experiences have been an integral part of AoA Sundays for several years, and are in the 'public domain', but there are plenty of pharma apparachiks out there hungry for any personal information they can use against us.
Take care

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