It could be Hawaii, but it could also be Kharkiv, Ukraine. That's exactly 4884 miles from New York City. I don't know how there might be a connection, but early vaccinations were done there. That neck of the woods had lots of polio.

LOL! Thanks Dan, I will try to be patient.

So 4,000 miles we are going with this.

Would that be back toward the sugar canes of Hawaii?

I found this

"In 1900 more contract laborers were brought from Puerto Rico, in 1903 Korea and between 1907 and 1931 the Philippines. Most of these stayed in the islands and started families. Meanwhile, the native Hawaiians became a minority in their own homeland.

For almost 75 years, sugarcane reigned, subsidized largely by the U.S. Federal Government. Sugar planters ruled the islands’ economy, changed their social structure and kept them in a colonial plantation style of living with bosses and field workers."

Soooo what was it like to work as a field worker, did they provide latrines in the field during the harvest?

Geesh, I got to thinking - 4000 to the sugar cane fields to find some animal that carries the some virus belonging to the polio virus class-- the Picornaviridae family, or maybe just 2500 when they loaded the sugar up on the train cars.

What else did the train cars carry? Cattle/horses/livestock - perhaps?

My recollection of a polio epidemic also had to do with a hot summer. It was in the early 1950s in Bremen. Children could only go to city-maintained chlorinated swimming-pools and the entrance was free. No swimming in rivers and ponds was allowed. The theory at the time was that it had something to do with open waters. We didn't go swimming at all that year. To make it easier for us children, we also could go to all the museums for free.

Of course sharks may prefer chocolate or vanilla body odors, only logical.

AND, just guessing, but were (or are?) shark attacks most always on children/youngsters who I eat a lot more ice cream and candy bars/sweets compared to adults?

Imagine the Dairy Lobby & Sugar Lobby from whence ice cream originates reacting to the solid evidence that sharks just love to chomp onto ice cream and/or sugar eaters! It would be identical to the CDC reacting to the abundant evidence that the Vaccine Schedule causes autism, etc. "IMPOSSIBLE, THE SCIENCE IS IN, VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM! - THE SKY IS BLUE, THE EARTH IS ROUND!"

I'm still stuck on the ice cream, the sticky sugar in it I guess, and whatever might be stuck within the sugar (from 4,884 miles away?), and tonsillectomy and ice cream, and increased poliomyelitis risk seen with tonsillectomy, and ice cream cones that I had to eat quickly before they melted as a kid (which may not mean anything, the eating it quickly...but it did sometimes kinda hurt...and quick temperature changes, how that might affect tissues or concentrations in tissues)...and I just thought of how the lymphatic system (or "lymphoid organs" anyway) includes the tonsils (if this page is not too misleading: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/what-organs-are-part-of-the-lymphatic-system.html ) and is part of our immune system...and I kind of want some ice cream right now despite all that, but I'll be good.

It is a rather ominous narrative though...somewhat circumscribed by the quote, “No circumstance in the history of polio is so baffling as its change during the past fifty or sixty years from a sporadic to an epidemic disease.” No official explanation still and here we are with laws like SB 277 getting a lot of tacit support because of the spectre of polio, and the whole March-of-Dimes-type response, I guess, trained most everyone to think vaccine = "the solution" to disease, the reason we don't hear the word polio much any more, and sometimes extended to the reason we're not dying of plagues in the streets.

If officials seemed surprised, or too slow to contain the outbreaks of "polio" then, what is happening now, or is going to be the final outcome (will anyone truly record the results) with officials dogmatically convinced they must stay their course and even get in the way of understanding what is causing a huge what-should-be-enlightening percentage of today's environmentally induced epidemics?

Red magic marker dots and Sherlock Holmes quote noted.
Seat belt fastened.
(Jaws music playing in the background)...

cia,

Further to what Gary said, we simply have no idea whether measles virus or polio virus or smallpox virus or whatever even exist, much less cause the damage people have claimed they have.

By way of example, historians will swear blind that 10 million people died of smallpox in the Americas during the Spanish invasion.

The thing is though, that none of them were actually there. Cortes was there. He devoted the grand total of half a page to the "plague" that was supposedly wiping out the entire population.

Ok, Cortes was no angel but it does strike as more than a little odd that the one guy that was there thought it was much ado about nothing but those who claim it was 99.9 per cent of the whole story were just trying to outcompete each other for the most outrageous guess.

In short, we have no reason to believe that billions of people have died in history from smallpox.

We have no reason to believe that millions or even hundreds of thousands of people have died from smallpox. Not even the symptoms themselves - let alone the virus.

Of all the smallpox diagnoses in history, less than 0.000000000000001 per cent of them would have had any virus isolated from them - or been tested in any form. How on earth people can go from that to being sure that 100 per cent of smallpox cases had that particular virus on them is beyond me.

The virus is nothing. And epidemiology is almost always a fairy tale. 500 million people did not die of smallpox in the early part of the 20th century. Those numbers come from countries with no cause of death data. Those deaths ascribed to smallpox were just as likely to be caused by car crashes, lightning strikes or spontaneous combustion as they were smallpox. Health agencies just pulled the number out of their behinds to make their supposed eradication program look good.

And it wasn't eradicated anyway (not that there was any culpable virus to eradicate in the first place). We know this because the CDC openly admit that we should ignore positive smallpox lab results because they *must* be "false positives". Convenient hey? Declare something to be eradicated and then whenever you see it just say that it must be something else on the basis that it doesn't exist because you have declared it not to!

All of virology and immunology is a lie and the vast majority of epidemiology is.

We have no idea how many people in history with a rash and fever had measles virus on them. Less than 0.00000000001 per cent of people in history have been tested for it.

Same for all the others.

jenny, thank you for reading and sharing the same questions that occurred for me. there is a long way to go in every sense before this story is finished and i appreciate your sticking with it! -- dan

cia parker: My point was simply that we don't understand enough about the microbial world and its interactions with the rest of the lifeforms on Earth to make categorical statements about their pathogenesis, particularly regarding viruses. Viruses are not considered to be free-living organisms, and can only reproduce after attaching to and invading cells. Whence they come? Cells. They are messengers produced by cells. They are so miniscule as to be very difficult to identify. Medicine has erred so frequently, and at times with catastrophic effects, that we must very cautious in trusting what "we know to be true." I have to laugh, in a grim sort of way, every time I hear the term "super bug," as if such were invaders from another planet, when they are clearly the creation of antibiotics, evolving in the way that everything else does, when faced by a threat to their existence, as has B. pertussis, in response to the vaccine. The paradigm has to shift. We must never forget, either, that the Pentagon's bioweapons labs are creating God-knows-what. I think it more likely than not that Ebola originated in one of these.

A cliffhanger!

Good point Maurene. It may turn out that some of the remedies used to treat it actually brought on poliomyelitis...

Almost all diseases in humans came from cross overs from other species of animals. Which I know we all know from listening to the CDC warning us that something is coming at us from birds, swine, bats, and meer cats in Biblical proportions.

If live long enough I suppose this new ability to do -sequencing will give us a lot of answers. It has been made cheap and fast ;we might really link some amazing things together. We already , I think, guessed right that there are endless viruses and bacteria in endless animal reservoirs, all ready to be carried by vectors if environmental barriers are removed

. It does come to my mind that the Mini Ice Age beginning in the 13 century, humans had no control over, as it drove small mammal reservoirs from Magnolia, and the steppes of Russian onto a population of humans weakened by the lack of food which was again the fault of a Mini Ice Age.

They said they can identify even the smallest population of microbes now, but they are quick to point out that is all - it does not tell them their preferred environment, or life cycle or anything else.

Manipulating the immune system with a vaccine as we all know here is not possible.
It is going to take knowledge , and not some CDC telling us to get our vaccines and sneeze inside our arm at the elbow.

And this blood sugar high and then dropping in human beings making people's immune systems weak is very interesting.

I wonder what kind of animal lived in the sugar cane fields that might carry a virus very similar to polio? A mouse, a toady frog, perhaps a fox, or maybe a free ranging hog?

So much to know, and since Dr. Walkfield's observation that if trends continue as they are right now by 2030 half the population will have autism - time is running out.