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AofA Red Logo Ayumi YamadaBy Dan Olmsted

As someone who believes there is an autism epidemic and that excessive vaccination is the cause (see Bernie Rimland), I was sorry to see Rand Paul leave the presidential race this week. His less-government philosophy would clearly translate into more power to the parents, including the power to be more selective about which vaccines the government gets to give their children, and when.

I had a chance to tell him a few weeks ago that, based on 10 years of research as a trained observer (aka journalist), I have no doubt that vaccination is the main cause of our current autism catastrophe. He listened respectfully and said that, while pro vaccine, he didn’t consider “the science is settled” to be a fitting motto in any field of study. (I started my comments by saying “I’m a Democrat,” and still he listened!) I believe as president he would take steps that would finally get to the heart of the autism epidemic. And that would be a big deal.

It’s also worth remembering that few people who run for president win the first time out. Stay tuned.

So now we have Donald Trump (and Ben Carson, but I’m going to take a minor risk and count him out). If you are for Trump, I’m jealous, because the only thing I do like about him is the fact he has said, more than once, that the current vaccine schedule of too many, too soon, is behind the autism epidemic (see Rimland, again). While Rand came by his views philosophically, Trump’s basis appears to be anecdotal and “gut.” Either is fine if it gets us out of this nightmare.

Would Trump conveniently drop these concerns if elected because they really are not deeply seated in a governing philosophy, because he doesn’t have one? In other words, would we all get fooled again (remember, Bush II was gonna git that thimerosal outta there.) Well, Jimmy Carter said the other day that Trump would be “malleable” as president because he doesn’t really believe in anything (whereas Cruz does, and not to Carter’s liking). And that, he said, made Trump the better choice (although when Lindsay Graham, a truly likeable candidate I really couldn’t disagree with more, said the choice between the two was like being poisoned or shot, I had to laugh).

My own hunch? Trump would stick with this position, because another word for “anecdotal” is personal, and he says he’s seen this happen to his own employees. (And he's not getting pharma money.) People who’ve seen the shot, illness, regression sequence happen, or believe those who do, and who don’t have some financial or professional reason to cravenly pretend not to see or believe those who do, drink less Kool-Aid at the CDC-NIH-AAP water fountains.

To me the issue comes down to this: Would Trump as president cause more damage to the world than eight years of someone who has swallowed the vaccine theology (say, the rest of the Republican field to the best of my knowledge, or any given Democrat including Hillary or Bernie? When they fight over who’s more progressive, all I can think is which one will want to give more shots).

Short of nuclear war (Cruz said the other day that Trump might nuke Denmark, a strange place to obliterate unless the fact it’s a social democracy makes it the most threatening place on the globe), I doubt it’s possible to do more damage. Seriously, a few hundred million more kids around the world getting mercury-containing shots, and Lord knows what Zika and Ebola and autism-preventing vaccines get cooked up in the meantime, strikes me as about as bad an outcome as I can imagine.

What bothers me is not that someone might disagree with me on how this plays out politically, because I’m still in the middle of trying to make sense of it myself, but that some in the vaccine advocacy world seem to dismiss Trump (and did dismiss Paul) out of hand because they aren't to their political liking. I find that to be intellectually inconsistent; one has to engage the issue of autism causation, and who can stop it and treat it and face up to it, if one is serious about believing that vaccine policy as presently constituted is an urgent public health crisis.

On Facebook recently there was a thread started by a Bernie supporter. Since this person (I don’t run other people’s comments or names from Facebook since it’s kind of a private space) shares my views on autism and vaccines, and since others chimed in to support Bernie, I posted these comments:

‪Dan Omsted‪ as far as i know Bernie is your typical progressive vaccine advocate. isn't that an issue to consider? especially when there is a candidate (trump) who seems to fully back vaccine safety concerns. not just our country but the world is being harmed by that. it might be more harm than anything trump could wreak. (and i say this as a progressive!)..

do we just set aside vaccine safety as an issue altogether?

… i certainly respect others' voting preferences. The problem for reliable Democratic progressives like me is that, since the last election, the Democrats have really emerged as the party of mandates (California) and suppression (Sebelius trying to shut up the vaccine debate), and the Republican-libertarian-freedom folks have been our allies. Vaccine injury, along with the personal devastation, is making us less competitive and costing us billions and soon trillions in extra health care costs. how is this anything we want to perpetuate?

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So that was my two cents. What’s yours, fellow AOAers, on the eve of the first actual voting primary of the 2016 election?

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Dan Olmsted is Editor of Age of Autism.

Comments

Reading Is Fundamental
The two party system is part of the problem. There should be no delegates with the power to veto the popular vote. That isn't democracy. That's something else.

I don't really see what the number of parties has to do with anything—the Constitution doesn't care where presidential candidates come from or how they're selected. The U.S. Green Party is just as baroque.

Linda1

Reading,
The two party system is part of the problem. There should be no delegates with the power to veto the popular vote. That isn't democracy. That's something else.

Benedetta

Reading Is Fundamental:

So what is everyone saying about the super delegate idea?

Did it keep out strange candidates in the Democrat Party - LOL - I think the Republican Party after Trump is thinking it might be a good idea.

Reading Is Fundamental

@Linda1:

So Sanders and Trump won in New Hampshire. But, I understand that while Sanders won the popular vote by a very wide margin, that Clinton still came out with more delegates voting for her. The "super delegates" that have more weight than the normal delegates apparently are all for Hilary, and that's all that matters. See, FIXED.

And @Benedetta:

Then; I find out that even though Sanders won 68% of the votes in New Hampshire; that he won 15 delegates, well so did Hillary. "Even Steven". Puts my panties in a twist! How about your's!

I Wonder why they are still bothering to count citizens' votes.

Bear in mind that the primary system itself is a pretty recent development; party bosses are less the rule now than they used to be.

(Superdelegates have the same weight as pledged delegates, as well. I see that 538 has recently posted an analysis of this Democratic season.)

Hera

Linda1, Sorry the school comment went to the wrong person:)I do agree with you that schools need to be healthy and safe.
First school one of my kids with a hearing amplification system went to, they were doing construction right behind the school while his classroom had the windows wide open, which resulted in amplified banging and crashing in the hearing aid all day. They had to leave the window open because it was hot and they had no cooling system. We offered to get an indoor air conditioner for the classroom, but they told us the wiring was so old it would blow the system. (Eventually, we ended up finding another school)
So I do get the problems. Yet still, keeping kids safe from vaccine injury has to trump almost everything else in my opinion.
I worry about how Trump treats his enemies too. From Benedettas' quotes though, he has the heart to speak up against vaccine injury. Maybe Bernie will get it, and then I would be happy to support him. but until then, imo he is part of the problem.
Bayareamom;
I think it is always scary when you find out how badly people given power without oversight can behave, and I am sorry your family has been through so much. From different but life changing experiences myself, I have come to the conclusion that you have to make your own normal to recover. Yes, you will never have quite the same level of trust, but that is not always a bad thing. There are still good people out there, it just takes time and patience to find them. And if you have experienced bad stuff, normal has a wonderful pleasure that many who haven't had other experiences can't value. Not meaning to sound preachy. It is just I wanted to give you hope that things can get better..Wishing you and your family well.

Benedetta

Bernie Sanders on autism (Rachel Maddow show 9/17/2015):

"I think the evidence is overwhelming that vaccines do not cause autism. And it really is a little bit weird for Trump - who, I presume, has no medical background - to be raising this issue. And obviously it is a concern. When somebody like that says it, you're gonna find thousands of people now who are gonna hesitate to give their kids the shots, and bad things may happen."

The link is: www.rawstory.com/2015/09/bernie-sanders-trumps-weird-anti-vaxxer-rant-may-put-thousands-of-kids-at-risk

This statement makes it very clear that Bernie Sanders is not educable on this subject.

And: Hillary says," The earth is round, the sky is blue, vaccines are safe and grandma knows best

Meanwhile Trump says, " The doctors lie"

Bayareamom

@Jeannette Bishop:

"...the funny thing is the autism epidemic might be the poster child of how something that sounds good on paper and seemingly just about everyone pulls together to support could be the farthest thing from good when you get down to examining the roots of it ... I sometimes wonder if the vaccine connection is shouted down so strongly because it might educate deeper and further than just regarding one public policy, and some find those areas more important, or just as important, to protect?..."


Oh my. You've no idea how close you are to the truth about this entire vaccine issue. YES. While in and of itself, it is not the single most import part of an 'agenda,' BUT it leads to other more profound agendas, which could have dire implications for those at the 'top' of the PTTB list, and that's what they're afraid of.

First time I do believe I have seen anyone on this list have this sort of insight. It took me years to reach this level; am heartened to see someone else here to at least ponder on this.

Bayareamom

"Re Trump - A person should be judged by how they treat their enemies, not their friends..."


No truer words...

Bayareamom

"Worst of all, how much of this is still going on, and being kept from us?"


I don't know 'how much,' but I know it's still going on with my Dad, so my educated guess would be it's still going on in fairly high numbers. I have spoken with a very prominent, now retired, physicist from over at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) who knows about my Dad. He was shocked when I gave him my maiden name (I hadn't initially when we started speaking). He then put me in touch with yet another person who has actually worked in one of these government programs, but again, when I gave her my maiden name, just as with this physicist, she became almost unhinged. These two are trying desperately to do something about these men/women who have been put into some of these deep black programs, but to-date, from what I understand, they've not been too entirely successful.

And yes, this sort of thing permeates one's entire life, i.e., it impacts ALL your relationships - friends, neighbors, teachers, your career, etc., so forth. I still struggle with the reality of all of this. How does one have a NORMAL relationship with ANYONE after you've gone through this?

My passion regarding the vaccine issue has actually helped keep me grounded with all of this. It's allowed me to channel my emotions and anger into something somewhat productive.

Thank you for responding to my comment. The triggering I felt yesterday after reading your comment, was actually very cathartic.

Benedetta

Linda;
I listened to Hillary's speech in New Hampshire; I have never trusted my gut - never, or my family and I would not be where we are now. But it seemed like a victory speech to me.

Then; my Mother said out of the blue; that Hillary must have written her victory speech, and decided she was going to give it regardless of the outcome.

Then; I find out that even though Sanders won 68% of the votes in New Hampshire; that he won 15 delegates, well so did Hillary. "Even Steven".
Puts my panties in a twist! How about your's!

I Wonder why they are still bothering to count citizens' votes.

Does Trump scare me, when he goes after people that attack him first with words?
No; that is the nature of public speech, they all do it; just not as colorful as Trump.
Does Trump's statement about shooting some one, bother me. No, it is an expression to convey an idea, a thought; out here in ordinary land; we do it all the time.

Was he planning on the murder of some one? No, and we all knew it.
Right now we got a lot of sweet words about what the American people are, and are not about. Never knew I would feel like I had gone to church listening to a President's speech.
However. those nice words are not matching cruel actions: Strong armed tactics towards ranchers, and farmers out west; just this past week, more stuff coming down the pipes to shut down Appalachian coal (Supreme Court stopped it for now), or the IRS going after so many opposing groups of the present political powers, or no justice for the FBI giving money and guns to drug cartels, or health insurance becoming too much of a heavy burden for the middle class to bear, or suddenly there is a nation wide - state after state legislation coming up to mandate vaccines. Nothing is going right it seems.

Words/the pen are there to clear the air. There is nothing wrong with a little colorful speech.

Trump said, "The doctors lie," Yeah they do, but I am sure there are those that think that is too colorful. A little colorful speech on what the CDC has done to this country, is much needed!

Linda1

Re Trump - A person should be judged by how they treat their enemies, not their friends.

Re Sanders - In NH the other night Sanders said that the 3 top pharmaceutical companies made $45 billion in profits last year. He said when he gets into the White House that Pharma will stop ripping off the American public. Too bad he didn't say that Pharma will stop poisoning the American public.

Linda1

Carolyn M,
Thanks for the Sanders quote. That clears that up. He defers to the experts. Exactly what we don't need. What a shame.

Benedetta,
I don't like Kelly because of her attitude. I haven't seen her in action in a long time, but I always thought she was a b on wheels. Probably why Trump does not tolerate her. I guess it's the way he attacks people that is unsettling to me. I perceive him as aggressive with the potential for extreme overt and covert viciousness. Then there is the fact that he said waterboarding is fine with him. THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM. He supposedly recently said that his followers love him so much that if he shot someone on the street they'd still vote for him. A normal person would not say that. If our choices are Trump and Sanders, I think we're in trouble. But Clinton may be handed the election anyway. I think she was made secretary of state so that she could succeed Obama. I think that was the plan. We'll see how this unfolds.

Ronald Kostoff

Linda1,

"I cannot get over the compensation that they didn't give to these people"

That was also one of my main takeaways. At the time, it didn't seem like an accident. It appeared that she was deliberately trying to obfuscate the issue. Kudos to the questioner for repeating the question in more direct terms.

I have mixed feelings about how compensation is awarded in some of these damage cases, like vaccine injuries or the Guatemala injuries. One can draw a direct line from specific decision-makers to the victims and their injuries. Yet, the government (i.e., the American taxpayers) are being asked to foot the bill. Why not the perpetrators, and the organizations for whom they front?

You and I are paying every time someone wins a case from the vaccine court, even though we had no direct responsibility for the damage. Why aren't Congress, the vaccine manufacturers, the CDC safety overseers, the pediatricians, etc, paying for the damages first? They should be the equivalent of the first mortgage in paying off debt! The only responsibility we have is very indirect: we elected these legislators, and we elected the Executive branch that appointed the CDC/FDA administrators, so we should be way down on the list of priority reimbursers. Unfortunately, we are at the top of the list, and the perpetrators responsible for the primary damage in the Guatemala experiments, the vaccine experiments, the EMF experiments, the NSA experiments, etc, suffer neither financial penalties nor criminal penalties. Until we make those responsible pay, the malfeasance will never end.

Ronald Kostoff

Bayareamom,

"The amount of emotional pain this has caused me is just beyond words. So please forgive my overly emotional comment, but after reading some of your post, it triggered me and the tears just won't stop."

Appreciate your comment. It shows the importance of 'bearing witness' to these events that the perpetrators would rather us keep hidden. Far more impact than listening to these carefully-worded videos, or reading these sterile and clinical reports. Not only did the victims suffer directly, but so did their families, their co-workers, their neighbors, and many others. Worst of all, how much of this is still going on, and being kept from us?

Benedetta

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/03/megyn-kelly/foxs-kelly-science-measles-vaccine-safety-certain-/

Sorry forgot to put up the link to Megan and O'Reilly.

Again if anyone has the rant on her own show - it might be nice to put it up here too.

Kelly the Bimbo -- That is saying it nicer than I.

Carolyn M

Bernie Sanders on autism (Rachel Maddow show 9/17/2015):

"I think the evidence is overwhelming that vaccines do not cause autism. And it really is a little bit weird for Trump - who, I presume, has no medical background - to be raising this issue. And obviously it is a concern. When somebody like that says it, you're gonna find thousands of people now who are gonna hesitate to give their kids the shots, and bad things may happen."

The link is: www.rawstory.com/2015/09/bernie-sanders-trumps-weird-anti-vaxxer-rant-may-put-thousands-of-kids-at-risk

This statement makes it very clear that Bernie Sanders is not educable on this subject.

Benedetta

Kelly Megan is a Bimbo, so says Trump!

And she is, a Bimbo - well I am not sure what a Bimbo is - a silly blonde? Well she is for she is dumb enough to get up on National News and tells parents - parents that knows about vaccines and proceeds to tell us to get over our vaccine injuries.

So, with the numerous - numerous, many comments that Trump has said about vaccines are not safe, too many, and too soon, doctors lie and then we have Megan Kelly telling us all to get over it --

I see a major confrontation.

Oh, here Megan Kelly on O'Reilly

Can any one here find a U tube of just Megan Kelly ranting on her own show about vaccines and how we all just need to get over it?

Bayareamom - I don't know what you are talking about but it sound horrible and scary. And I am truly sorry.

Linda; I have no doubt that Bernie Sanders is a kind and wonderful man. But the best intentions pave the road to hell. You can be kind and nice and very wrong.

Benedetta

Linda 1;
You do not like Megan Kelly.

Do you have a reason?

She has her own show. Some times she would go off into some kind of little rant. When she does she holds her mouth to the side and just looks adorable.

Then one day she did a rant on vaccines. That the science is in and it is does not cause autism - just how many studies does there have to be? Time to get over it and move on.

Then she took it on the road to another show; O'Reilly
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/feb/03/megyn-kelly/foxs-kelly-science-measles-vaccine-safety-certain-/

Bayareamom

@Linda1:

"It's such a disappointment to find that what you were taught about your country is the opposite of what is true."


Thank you for your kind words. As to your statement, above, yes, it's been a truly daunting situation, both mentally and emotionally, to discover what I have found out about my Dad. My Mom tried telling me about some of this back in 1998, but I didn't believe her; actually walked out on her afterwards. That kills me to this day.

The amount of betrayal I have experienced in this life, first with the betrayal by our government/medical conglomerates re vaccines and the harm they can do (and all the rest that goes along with that), and then to have to suffer the betrayal(s) by SO many individuals in my own family's life, after discovering what they did to my Dad, almost did me in.

Sad thing is there's really no where to go to unleash the emotional aftermath with some of this. This isn't a topic most are comfortable dealing with, for quite obvious reasons.

Linda1

Dr. Kostoff,

Thanks again for your insight. The fact that the lecturer is a JD being careful to measure her words is significant. I cannot get over the compensation that they didn't give to these people - instead awarding themselves. It's like instead of putting murderers on trial and then in prison, giving them a million dollars to help them to think hard about what they did.

I thought it interesting too, that the young man who asked about the compensation seems to be Hispanic (not sure, but some kind of accent, seems Hispanic).

Linda1

Bayareamom,
After reading Dr. Kostoff's comment, I was overwhelmed, but then reading yours, doubly so. I am so sorry for what you and your family have endured and for the knowledge that you have had to live with. It's such a disappointment to find that what you were taught about your country is the opposite of what is true.

Linda1

So Sanders and Trump won in New Hampshire. But, I understand that while Sanders won the popular vote by a very wide margin, that Clinton still came out with more delegates voting for her. The "super delegates" that have more weight than the normal delegates apparently are all for Hilary, and that's all that matters. See, FIXED.

Maybe Trump will clean out the CDC, NIH, FDA. I have never seen Megan Kelly bow to anyone, but she's crawling to get on Trump's good side now. And even though I don't care to watch her on TV, have never cared for her, it scares me that he could prostrate a reporter (or anyone) like that. But on the other hand, what if he did that to Ms. Boyle and Karen Midthun, et al. (mentioning women, but their male counterparts too). That would be pretty good.

Of course, the problem is there is no controlling who he goes after. Could be you. Could be me.

Bayareamom

"...Funding for many of the experiments was provided by United States government, especially the United States military, Central Intelligence Agency, or private corporations involved with military activities..."


I might also add (for the very first time publicly) that the agency of which my Dad has been affiliated with for many years...

...was the National Security Agency (NSA).

Some may say, or feel, that I'm crazy for putting this out there, and maybe they're right...maybe I am. But I am SO DAMNED tired of the lies perpetuated by these intelligence agencies, big pharma and all the rest, that I don't care if I spill the beans on some of the rest.

I realize there is good and bad in everything, but the amount of just absolute incredible evil out there is beyond comprehension for most.

Most people, myself included, are kind hearted people, never dreaming that this amount of cruelty/evil can possibly exist.

But I assure you, it does exist. I and my family have had to bear witness to that, for many years now.

Bayareamom

@Ronald Kostoff:

"...Funding for many of the experiments was provided by United States government, especially the United States military, Central Intelligence Agency, or private corporations involved with military activities. The human research programs were usually highly secretive, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed..."


I will reveal for the first time here that my own father was put into one of these military programs. Some of these programs were under the guise of the Mkultra (black ops) programs.

I have not, until now, released this information publicly, but just recently I have informed various members of my own immediate family about some of this. I found out about this back in 2007 when working with someone who knew my Dad when he was closely affiliated with one of the abc's. This happened to my Dad when he was in the Navy.

It's been absolutely horrific to have learned this about my Dad, but now that I know what happened to him, some of these more inexplicable occurrences which happened in our past with him, now makes so much sense.

I have been struggling with this information for around 9 years now. There are days when I cannot stop crying when I realize, with absolute horror, what they did to my Dad, and the ensuing fallout this had on my immediate family when growing up.

I'm not sure, today, just how much my Dad is aware as to what happened to him during his time in the Navy, but I can tell you that truly some of the most evil of men (and perhaps a few women) conduct these programs.

They had hearings on the Mkultra programs (or at least some of them) back in the 1970's, with a so-called apology from our then President, but what I was told by this person back in 2007 is that what most Americans are not aware of is that MOST of those Mkultra programs went deep black, never to be heard about again.

The amount of emotional pain this has caused me is just beyond words. So please forgive my overly emotional comment, but after reading some of your post, it triggered me and the tears just won't stop.

Now perhaps those of you who feel I am some sort of negative Nancy re some of my comments MAY understand the pain that I am experiencing with some of this. To discover just how much inhumanity is truly out there, is just mind numbing.

All I can say is, may God help those who have inflicted so much pain on so many innocents.

I DO wholeheartedly believe in forgiveness, but at times, it is really, really hard...

Ronald Kostoff

Linda1,

"So what are the differences between the Nazi experiments and the American experiments?
The American experiments happened after the Americans condemned the Nazis for their experiments.
Both were unethical, immoral, inflicted pain and suffering and possibly caused death (I don't know)."

There were three main categories of Nazi experiments: facilitating the survival of Axis military personnel; developing and testing pharmaceuticals and treatment methods for injuries and illnesses which German military and occupation personnel encountered in the field; advance the racial and ideological tenets of the Nazi worldview. For the USA, "The experiments include: the deliberate infection of people with deadly or debilitating diseases, exposure of people to biological and chemical weapons, human radiation experiments, injection of people with toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests involving mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of others. Many of these tests were performed on children, the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities or prisoners.

Funding for many of the experiments was provided by United States government, especially the United States military, Central Intelligence Agency, or private corporations involved with military activities. The human research programs were usually highly secretive, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed."

There were many of these unethical experiments sponsored by the USA and conducted in the USA and overseas decades before WWII and the Guatemala experiments. We know about some of them not because the promoters and sponsors and performers released the information, but mainly because researchers and investigators stumbled across them while examining other issues.

There are two main takeaways. First, those who sponsored, promoted, administered, performed, and knew about these experiments did not voluntarily provide this information to the American public. Second, we have no idea of the extent of the numbers of such experiments that have been conducted OR ARE BEING CONDUCTED AS WE SPEAK. Have we been informed of 9/10 of such experiments? 1/10? 1/100? 1/1000?

Additionally, have we been misled by the media and the medical community as to what constitutes unethical research? Certainly, the Nazi medical experiments and the documentation of unethical experiments I have posted on AoA the past few months would qualify. But, what about the clinical trials we are offshoring (which I describe in Chapter 9 of my book)? We offshore these trials because 1) they are cheaper and 2) less strict oversight is required. How ethical is the latter? And, what about the clinical trials we perform on e.g. vaccines, where we may do limited short-term safety tests on (typically) individual vaccines, but we do neither long-term safety tests nor comprehensive tests on combinations of vaccines as actually administered? Assuming each limited individual vaccine trial were conducted ethically (and Dr. Thompson's allegations offer serious doubts about the validity of that assumption), but the sum of these individual trials does not provide adequate information to guarantee safety in the near and long-term, is it then ethical to approve (and in many cases mandate) the vaccines for global consumption? The answer should be obvious! Given that the unethical experiments described above were limited in extent, but the e.g. vaccine and other drug trials are the precursor to global implementation, the latter unethical safety approvals may be far worse than the former based on numbers of potentially afflicted.

What we are seeing is a classic shell game. The Guatemala video makes it appear that we have remorse for what was done to the innocent in the name of medical research, and we are willing to pay some (minimal) reparations. At the same time, we are implementing these global vaccine and drug programs based on insufficient short and long-term safety evidence, which will damage far more people than all the above unethical experiments combined, and we gloss over them completely.

Jenny

Jeanette:
Your comment about someone having files to control/threaten politicians if they go off the rails reminded me a bit of one of the book's by Ayn Rand. One of the themes running through it was trying to control people through guilt. Also, that if a person recognizes that, the person can choose not to take on that guilt. If one decides not to be "guilted" some of that other person's power over you is removed. If politicians were not continually accepting guilt and then continually trying to hide their guilt as if they are superhuman and not prone to mistakes, and if the public were more apt to forgive them for bad decisions made in their younger, less informed years, politicians would be enable to correct not only their own mistakes, but the past mistakes of others. I think in the book it was generally that if one wants to be generous and charitable, it is best to do that from your own heart, not because you've been guilted into certain behavior. Guilt can be used as an effective form of blackmail.

I've wondered if Trump's seemingly crazy comment that he could shoot someone and he'd still have supporters wasn't some kind of publicly stated, yet shrouded reference to some kind of back stage threats/guilting attempt to control him and him publicly stating that he's not going to be kowtowed by guilt. Is that him saying his guilt over his past decisions pales in comparison to what deeds have been done by others who've spent their lives in politics or behind the scenes controlling messages and politicians and stopping them from representing the average American.

And I'm not talking about excusing people for deliberate ongoing decisions that continually put people's health at risk, like forcing vaccines on people or dumping toxic coal/petroleum elements, byproducts & derived chemicals into our water, air and soil. I'm talking about the everyday one-time bad decisions that every human makes, which are embarrassing but can be learned from, making people wish they could go back and change them and if they can't, then to correct the result. I don't expect my elected politicians to be perfect, but I do expect them to learn from their own and others' mistakes and change their direction accordingly as they receive honest, factual, pertinent information to any stance that they take on any subject.

Harkening back, I think I remember the other Clinton in the White House having some kind of plan that would have balanced the federal budget in 10 years, until the Lewinsky "guilt" was brought to light and wiped out the possibility of our government's/citizenry's economic independence, as if one mistake means all other decisions are also mistakes. Oi, we are all so gullible sometimes.

Linda1

Dr. Kostoff,
Thanks for the info re the Guatelmala experiment. Very interesting lecture you referenced. A couple of important quotes from the lecture. At 46:09:

"THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE AS A SOCIETY CAN EVER PREVENT IMMORAL INDIVIDUALS HAVING POSITIONS OF POWER IN SCIENCE AND MEDICINE."

She just explained why we should NEVER have vaccine or any other medical mandates.

At the end of the video, the last question in the Q&A, a student asked if the Quatemalan victims were compensated for being intentionally exposed to disease. Her answer:

"HHS after the commission released it's report soon thereafter committed roughly $1.8 million, $800,000 of which went down to Guatemala to help support preventative STD research and work that they were doing including with HIV Aids and a million of which was retained by CDC and NIH to really continue this evaluation of our human subjects research regulations to ensure that we are protecting participants currently as best we can."

The student clarified:
"So if I get it correctly, nothing specifically to the person who received the diseases?"

She answered with a smile:
"No, not currently."

WOW.

So what are the differences between the Nazi experiments and the American experiments?

The American experiments happened after the Americans condemned the Nazis for their experiments.

Both were unethical, immoral, inflicted pain and suffering and possibly caused death (I don't know).

The Nazis were tried for their crimes.

The Americans COVERED IT UP and then when discovered 6 decades later, they got away with it with an apology, by throwing the Guatemalan government a token $800,000 and by awarding themselves $1 million dollars so they can research how not to hurt people going forward. WHAT A SCAM.

Oh, "not currently", the lawyer who specializes in ethics says. This happened in the 1940's. How many of the victims would still be alive considering they'd be in their 90's if they survived the diseases that were inflicted upon them? Maybe the children would be alive. The lecturer mentioned at least one child aged 15.

Ronald Kostoff

Laura,

Another 'disturbing' event (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdbB43kln0): the Guatemala STD experiments. At the same time the Doctors were on trial at Nuremburg for horrific experiments in the concentration camps and elsewhere, the US was conducting experiments on Guatemalans that involved giving them STDs, observing them, and then treating perhaps half. As usual, the experiments were performed on the most vulnerable and defenseless segments of society, and consent, informed or otherwise, was not requested. The vaunted NIH sponsored the study with the knowledge of the US Surgeon General; the Public Health Service helped conduct the study; prestigious institutions were involved; and the Guatemalan agencies were complicit. The proposal was approved by the 'independent' study sections and advisory councils of the NIH.

As in all the unethical experiments I have posted on AoA, none of the medical personnel involved complained, and none of the institutions involved, prestigious or otherwise, complained. The only reason the experiments were revealed was that a book researcher stumbled across the laboratory notes of the chief researcher six decades after the fact, while gathering information for a book on the infamous Tuskegee experiments (http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/the-guatemala-experiments). Presently, Johns Hopkins, The Rockefeller Foundation, and Bristol-Myers Squibb face a $1 billion lawsuit in a class action filed by 774 plaintiffs.

All these unethical experiments I've posted tell the same story. The stakeholders who promoted, funded, and conducted these 'experiments' were the 'elite' of medical research, and they essentially had a Code of Silence to keep knowledge of these 'experiments' from the public who was funding them. It is little different from the 'experiments' being conducted today with voluminous vaccines whose combinations have not been fully tested in the near and long-term, and whose safety is unknown. It is wishful thinking to believe that the myriad stakeholders who legislate liability waivers, and who promote, sponsor, and administer these many vaccines, will violate the Code of Silence they have constructed.

Linda1

Hera,
I brought up the schools. Many of them are unhealthy environments. Think mold.

I jumped into this discussion to say that I don't think that Sanders is a bad man. When I first saw him years ago, my impression was that he is a good person. Even if he doesn't see the light on vaccines, that's my opinion of him. Doesn't mean that I agree with all his views or that he will make a good president (if it matters who is elected). I just think he is sincere and for the people and for a government of and by the people, whatever label applies to that kind of government in 2016. That is not what we have now.

I think when I saw Clinton and Sanders grouped together, that's when I had to speak up, because I think she is not a good person.

Bayareamom

"Bayareamom; I think schools are important ,and some are certainly in disrepair, but..if vaccines induce brain damage in even say 1 in 100 kids; it does not matter how pretty or technically advanced their school is; they will never be able to learn to their (previous) full potential..."


Where in the world did you all come to the conclusion that I must somehow feel our schools are to blame for what ails these children, or that somehow our schools can FIX our already broken kids (re vaccines)?

You're preaching to the choir here, folks! The sad fact of the matter is that our kids are broken/sick from vaccine damage and our schools are broken and in dire need of repair. One need not trump (pardon the expression), the other.

And yes, Common Core is a socialist program. I've posted more than a few links re Dr. Duke Pesta's lectures regarding Common Core. I hope some of you may have been able to view at least one of those lectures (if not the entirety - they are LONG, but so worth the effort to view).

Our kids are sick, our educational system sucks - it's looking rather bleak out there.

I had the opportunity to have a rather interesting discussion with someone in my family who is a HUGE proponent for the Arts. She's in the Biz and although I do admire her body of work and those who participate in theatrical arts, etc., I have also expressed my opinion that unless/until ALL of our kids are able to LEARN the basics, i.e., reading, writing, math and history, then nothing else (like learning how to play the violin and/or the piano), will matter.

And it's not that those things aren't important, because they are, and there is research which would suggest that learning how to play a musical instrument can enhance one's abilities in other academic areas.

But its always been my considerate opinion that the BASICS matters MOST. I, too, enjoy the Arts and am quite fond of the ballet, theatre, the symphony, etc., but first things FIRST. If we don't find a way to stem this genocidal program called the U.S. Immunization Program, then I see a forseeable future wherein one out of two kids won't be learning one damned thing, much less how to play a violin.

My issues with our educational system in this country goes hand in hand with the vaccine issues problem. Your kid becomes a victim of one program, only to be victimized by the other, later on in life.

What a mess...

Hera

Bayareamom; I think schools are important ,and some are certainly in disrepair, but..if vaccines induce brain damage in even say 1 in 100 kids; it does not matter how pretty or technically advanced their school is; they will never be able to learn to their (previous) full potential.
If our kids are sick, dealing with autoimmune problems etc, and some with brain damage (as the result of vaccine induced encephalopathy) then the school system cannot be successful.In the past healthy kids learned a lot even in situations where they were walking hours to unheated one room schoolhouses.
If we protect our kids from brain damage and autoimmune disease, we are probably going to help the school system more than anything else we could do.

Benedetta

Ol'e Pharma Murdock, Pharma whore Meg Kelly
rapid fire questions to Rubio:

Well Rubio is such a good little candidate for the Republican establishment.

https://www.facebook.com/TheKellyFile/videos/1760952554119602/?fref=nf

Benedetta

http://www.calottery.com/giving-back/education/money-to-schools

By the way Common Core; Is yet Another socialist program.
Calling for all schools to be all even and equal and teach just common core.

I don't think we are in any real argument here Bayareamom; except to say that there are some institutions set up in this country that no matter how much money you pour into them they always seem to need more.

Bayareamom

@David Burd:

You stated: "...By the way, I always think of you when the term "indoctrinated" medical personnel comes up -- a term I remember you using here."


Yes, I know (grin); many thanks for that (and that's precisely what this is, make no mistake).

Agreed as to your other points, essentially, but again, our schools ARE in dire disrepair in many areas of our country. Yes, serious mismanagement is one cause (as with some issues in our own school district), but again the monetary formulas upon which our districts are assessed and funded are not necessarily 'equal/fair.'

My husband divested much of his own personal time to research this particular issue at the time we were embroiled with issues in our district at the time our son was in school (he's now in college). What hubby discovered shocked both of us to our core.

When you spend time comparing stats with other top industrialized countries versus what we have here in the United States vis-a-vis our educational standards - in all areas of education - you can reach ONLY one very sad conclusion.

The state of our U.S. educational system is abysmal, but that's another topic for discussion for another day. (Don't get me started, it's one of my other passions.)

Bayareamom

@Benedetta:

You stated, "...so there is plenty of money. If there is not, then there are greedy people at the top."


Agreed. There IS plenty of $$ to go around, but the funding problem is so complex there's just not enough time, nor space, to divest of that here.

Again, please read that last article of which I posted a link to, below:

"...The cost of maintaining nearly 100,000 public schools and facilities in good repair is substantial for already overstretched districts. The accumulated backlog of deferred maintenance and repair amounts to at least $270 billion. For children in the nation’s poorest districts, these deferred projects too often mean schools with crumbling ceilings, overcrowded classrooms, and classrooms without basic wiring infrastructure for technology needed for students to master 21st century skills..."

I have researched the issues (exhaustively) regarding Common Core as to what that horrific program is costing ALL our school districts nationwide. Suffice to say our school districts are over-burdened with fiscal/infrastructure burdens in so many areas it's hard for me to grapple how our schools even manage to stay afloat.

...and quite frankly, most of them ARE having a hard time staying afloat. The United States educational system is in abysmal disrepair.

While I am happy to hear some of the funding measures employed in and around the schools you've happened to be a part of, I do know this is NOT the norm for MANY states/districts, including many of those in my home state of California.

Benedetta

Linda;
I was around when minimum wage was 2 dollars.

It makes no difference how much you raise a wage for job that is a minimum wage job - it will be in the end still a minimum wage job, and other wages for other better paying jobs will go up.

It is called inflation. Raising the minimum wage will just up inflation, and you get the elderly that are on a fixed income in more hardier economic positions

That is what is the danger there.

Again Thanks John Stone for straightening me out on the movies and other things too.

david m burd

Bayareamom,

Your list is plausible about some poor school conditions, and yes, school buildings do require competent maintenance and upgrades. Of course as need be - like updated lighting, plumbing replacement, more efficient heating, etc. Thank you.

BUT, such expense and competent school maintenance are the responsibility of the local communities in my view, and not at all relevant to the horror of vaccine damage upon us. Once Federal money get its nose "under the tent" our school systems go to Hell in my experience.

And Federal Hell is analogous to State-Mandated Vaccine Hell -- and infinitely more crucial to stop, and not be diverted to such topics as "crumbling schools."

By the way, I always think of you when the term "indoctrinated" medical personnel comes up -- a term I remember you using here.

John Stone

Benedetta

Oddly enough I was watching Dr Zhivago the other week - I had never seen it before.

Benedetta

And John Stone:
I do believe you are right; I am mixed up in my movies.

Linda1

Thanks, Bayareamom.

Linda1

Benedetta,
I don't see right vs. left. I see rich vs. poor. The rich are just controlling things no matter which political side they're on. I don't think billionaire Trump is going to want to change that. He already said that raising the minimum wage is a bad idea. I'm one of those crazy people who believes that if someone works 40 hours a week, that they ought to make enough to pay the rent, electric and water, without having to work a second or a third job.

Benedetta

Bayareamom;
I have been in a lot of school systems in the midwest - bounced around a lot.

The state of Kentucky gave a lot of money to build new schools or remodel in the last two decades.

Rockcastle county were I live - has beautiful buildings.
In the county I lived previously they took that money and remodeled and built on, and built two beautiful huge new schools.

When I moved to Michigan; the area we chose to live in has a nice school building.

Teachers are paid very well, and have good benefits

This year in Baltimore after the Freddy Gray incident of being killed while being transported in a police van; and during the protest-- some one came on TV and started spouting the decadesssss old speech that this would not happen if the schools were given more money, and everyone booed.

Most, if not all states passed gaming laws, allowing the lottery, so there is plenty of money. If there is not, then there are greedy people at the top.

Linda1

Dear David,
I have no quarrel about the sorry state of what is considered education and the self serving bureaucratic monstrosity feeding off of it. But I know for a fact that those conditions exist. Inner city and rural.

Bayareamom

@David M Burd:

You stated:

"Linda1, Aside from the many, many good points you contribute, you say:

"There are many, many children going to schools that are falling apart, moldy, leaking, cold in the winter, hot in the summer."

You are simply wrong. This is the phony type of Bernie or Hillary talking point that is downright false. I've been in quite a few elementary schools and none are like this..."


You may want to take a look at some of these articles:

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/01/25/movement-afoot-to-upgrade-four-other-elementary-schools-in-portland/

SNIP:

"...According to parents interviewed, Reiche Elementary School has been plagued with a leaky roof for years, forcing staff to use blue tarps to protect library books and a neighborhood organization to use sandbags during rainstorms; bricks are falling off Longfellow Elementary School; three portable classrooms, which lack plumbing, have been used for second-, third- and fourth-graders at Presumpscot Elementary School since 2006; and one portable classroom is being used at Lyseth Elementary School.

All of the schools appear to lack a proper amount of security, storage and work spaces for students and teachers, and are in need of upgrades to electrical and mechanical systems, as well as weatherization and accessibility, according to the 2012 study of the schools.

“I don’t think people realize how dire the elementary schools are in need of repair,” said Katie Lamb, co-president of the Hall School Parent Teacher Organization. “When you hear of parents talking about it raining in their school building, we can certainly feel their pain.”

AND

http://californiawatch.org/k-12/state-defunds-program-fix-slum-schools-17122

SNIP:

"Eight years after California settled a landmark lawsuit promising hundreds of millions of dollars to repair shoddy school facilities, more than 700 schools still are waiting for their share of funds as students take classes on dilapidated campuses with health and safety hazards.

California has funded less than half of the $800 million required by the Emergency Repair Program, which grew out of a class-action lawsuit against the state that former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger agreed to settle. Since then, schools in 39 counties have waited as long as four years for the money to fix leaking roofs, crumbling pavement and clogged sewer lines..."

AND

http://www2.ed.gov/offices/OESE/archives/inits/construction/urgentneed.html

SNIP:

Huntington Beach Union High School District, California (total of nine schools)
(Source: Huntington Beach School District web page)

"...Aging Schools: Some of the schools in this district are as much as 75 years old. Major problems include deteriorated sewer systems, broken pipes, termite infestation, dry rot and worn-out electrical systems, all due to the extreme use caused by age.

"...Lack of safety compliance: Many of the schools do not meet California earthquake standards as well as city building codes.

"...Leaking Roofs: Flooding has caused extensive damage to computers and other equipment. As well, floors in portable classrooms are rotted due to water damage from leaky roofs.

"...Sinking Buildings: Many of the schools are in need of major repairs or replacement because the buildings are actually sinking into the ground.

Faulty electrical connections: Fire alarms and public address systems often do not work in emergency situations. This lack of electrical power sometimes makes it impossible to run classroom computers..."

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/13/fact-sheet-repairing-and-modernizing-americas-schools

SNIP:

"...The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) awarded the United States a ‘D’ for the condition of its public school infrastructure. The average public school building in the United States is over 40 years old, and many are much older. Schools spend over $6 billion annually on their energy bills, more than they spend on computers and textbooks combined. Hands-on STEM education is critical for our children to be prepared for the jobs of the future, and yet 43 states reported that one-third or more of their schools do not meet all of the functional requirements necessary to effectively teach laboratory science.

The cost of maintaining nearly 100,000 public schools and facilities in good repair is substantial for already overstretched districts. The accumulated backlog of deferred maintenance and repair amounts to at least $270 billion. For children in the nation’s poorest districts, these deferred projects too often mean schools with crumbling ceilings, overcrowded classrooms, and classrooms without basic wiring infrastructure for technology needed for students to master 21st century skills..."


Now, I don't know where you live, David, but when I was working for a time with the NVIC and when I was contacting every single school district in this state regarding a bill I was working on ('against' AB499), I had my own eyes laid wide open as to the issues many of our districts were contending with re crumbling infrastructures and lack of funding for the barest of essentials, i.e., up-to-date school books (some schools were using books which still depicted President Clinton as the CURRENT PRESIDENT), and lack of computers, not to mention other issues.

I had to dig a little to come up with the above links/information. I daresay that our schools' crumbling infrastructures - all across this country - is not something which is trumpeted by and large, to the masses. We spend more money on large stadiums than we do on our schools. It was just unconscionable to me to have to find how many of our schools right here in CA were in such dire need of basics. Our schools here where I live have had donation drives to other schools in surrounding areas who are in dire need of supplies, etc.

Have you ever seen so called schools on Indian reservations? I've heard about some of those schools and the conditions of those schools by a Native American friend of mine who grew up on one of those reservations. It's absolutely appalling to hear about the lack of funding for ANY school in this supposed great Nation of ours.

I don't think Linda's statement about our schools is off base, and while I don't believe many of our schools are in dire shape, at the same time many ARE and could desperately use more funds to get them up to speed with the rest.

John Stone

Hi Benedetta

I think you are thinking about Doctor Zhivago - in so many ways the horrors of Bolshevism are being re-created globally. An arrogant, dictatorial, infinitely hypocritical and ruthless ruling class.

Incidentally, the BBC just remade War and Peace and it was much truer with Henry Fonda (even for an Englishman).

Benedetta

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049934/

I think it is time that there is a remake of the 1956 movie of "War and Peace"

Hopefully they would do this thick book justice.

I have not seen it since a child.
The scene in this movie that disturbed me was: The upper middle class doctor comes home to find that every room of his house had been taken over by the very poor. They had brought their shabby way of living into his home. Nothing of his middle class life was left.

Meanwhile; the leaders of the Socialist Party were living in beautiful homes.

Socialism is when the very - very rich that every one is talking about, mad at, wall street guys all those - that owns 80 percent of the wealth; they decides that the very poor and the middle class - needs to share their wealth with each other.

And that is exactly what we got right now - is that not right? Is that not what every one is talking about - so explain to me how voting for a socialist is going to change the direction of this country when we are already there?

david m burd


Linda1, Aside from the many, many good points you contribute, you say:

"There are many, many children going to schools that are falling apart, moldy, leaking, cold in the winter, hot in the summer."

You are simply wrong. This is the phony type of Bernie or Hillary talking point that is downright false. I've been in quite a few elementary schools and none are like this.

"hot in the summer"!!! Guess what, kids are not in school during the summer (and so what if schools are not kept at ice-house temperatures through the summer!).

It's so typical of campaign LIES to bring up "crumbling, leaking, blah, blah schools. Why don't these same politicians bring up the Teachers' Unions that forbid firing of inept teachers, jack up these same inept teachers' salaries, jack up massive retirement funds, and letting Grade School kids pass through without being able to read or write or do mathematics? Letting any Federal funding or policies whatsoever to pollute communities' public schools has been key to their ever-increasing failure to actually educate our children.

Benedetta, I also thank you for all the Trump comments!

Benedetta

Twyla; Glad things are okay! Thanks!
Linda 1; If a country's politics have been moving left for the past 30 years, and it has. The East and West Coast are all Democrats and with the largest population and so those coast states' votes counts the most. AND you drive that very point home in your two most recent and excellent comments.

You mention; interest rates, and stock market, banks - that is socialism.

So,(?) (I am dazed) (I am confused) the answer is to vote even more further to the left every time you have a chance to vote?

We are so far left now; that even voting for a Republican now is still voting left. That is the truth.

To get to a true person that is actually on the right would be voting for Rand Paul.

Everyone is scared of him and strange ideas.
As he did a filibuster for what few rights we have left. Hmmme right - are on the right
and when we say left - we are discussing what rights - we have "left".
Mostly foreign things I think. He changed his mind on that though Being on the right usually drives America into a sort of isolation He changed his mind on that though.

I have let

I

To fix that run to the right


http://www.rawstory.com/2012/04/trump-warns-fox-news-viewers-autism-caused-by-vaccines/


“It happened to somebody that worked for me recently,” he added. “I mean, they had this beautiful child, not a problem in the world, and all of the sudden they go in and they get this monster shot. You ever see the size of it? It’s like they’re pumping in — you know, it’s terrible, the amount. And they pump this in to this little body and then all of the sudden the child is different a month later. I strongly believe that’s it.”

Linda1

Benedetta,
I have to add about the banks - not only do they get to use depositors' money for free, but if a savings account doesn't have a big enough balance, they charge a fee. There are fees for making more than a certain number of withdrawals. The less money you have, the more they charge. If you deposit more than a certain amount of money at a time, the bank has to report you and your deposit to the federal government. In our supposedly free society, the exchange of money is being closely monitored. Our interpersonal communication is being monitored. Our mail is being photographed. Our media is pure propaganda. Our prison system has been contracted out to for profit corporations that take exploit prisoners and their families. Our postal service is going bankrupt. Except for vaccines (which I agree is THE ISSUE), I don't know if Sanders could make it worse - IF who the president is makes a difference.

The thing that bothers me about Trump is that while he doesn't have to answer to corporate backers because of his wealth, he doesn't have to answer to us either. Trump does what he wants. He's rude, a bully and he seems like an egomaniac. But you're right about all he's said.

Twyla

No need for apology, Benedetta! :)

Linda1

Benedetta,
Thanks for all the links to Trump's prior statements. Very helpful.

Re: "The socialist idea is that they believe that every one is equal, every one should have the same chance, same pay, same opportunities. The government is there to determine what those same chances, same pay, same opportunities are. The government regulates fairness."

I agree that the government should leave people alone to live their lives. But what I see is what you wrote above is happening with the government we have right now. Our government already buys vaccines - and food and infant formula. Our government is rigging the interest rates so that people can't earn interest on savings the way they used to. Banks use the public's money for free. The government has forced people to gamble in the stock market in order to try to keep up with inflation. Forcing the population to give their hard earned money back to the corporations. It's been rigged for a long time. I think our government is very intrusive right now and keeps things unfair so that a lot of people can't enjoy life. I don't know if it really could be worse. Did you hear that they're considering "negative interest"? That's when you put money in the bank and the bank deducts interest from what you put in. I am not making this up. Could it get worse? Well, I guess it could always be worse. They could take the whole thing. I hope they don't read this to give them ideas. My point is they do whatever the hell they want with us now.

There are many, many children going to schools that are falling apart, moldy, leaking, cold in the winter, hot in the summer. If children are to be forced to attend these institutions, then they should not be subjected to those conditions just because their community is poor. Not when our government sends money all over the world, funds billions of dollars worth of idiot research and creates false epidemics like Zika and then allocates $1.8(?) billion to fight Zika. Not when we have people cold and starving. Not when more than 1/2 of our children are chronically ill. Not when our infrastructure is falling apart. I think Sanders wants to halt the greed and exploitation and do what needs to be done.

About the government regulating fairness - people in struggling areas are currently taken advantage of by corporations that swoop in and set up shop, which on the face of it isn't a bad thing. But they choose certain areas that are desperate for employment in order to pay as little as possible and these companies make whatever demands of the people that they want. Then when the work force is used up, they pack up and leave and set up shop in the next depressed area. And we say, well, it's a free country. They can do that. Right. But if I buy a stock and don't hold onto it as long as the government wants me to then I get penalized for selling it too quickly. The government then takes my profit. That's what we have now.

I don't have answers, but I'm thinking that a little evenness and fairness might do our country good.

I believe Sanders wants to solve problems and root out corruption. I don't believe he can be bought. I think he's a man of strong conviction and good moral character. What I am not sure of is if he has been snowed by the vaccine myth and the liars. It would be good to hear from the Vermonters what if anything he did for them during their recent fight. We have to find out if he's aligned with the California democrats.

Benedetta

http://thautcast.com/drupal5/content/donald-trump-talks-autism-and-vaccines-fox-news

“I’ve gotten to be pretty familiar with the subject,” Trump said. “You know, I have a theory — and it’s a theory that some people believe in — and that’s the vaccinations. We never had anything like this. This is now an epidemic. It’s way, way up over the past 10 years. It’s way up over the past two years. And, you know, when you take a little baby that weighs like 12 pounds into a doctor’s office and they pump them with many, many simultaneous vaccinations — I’m all for vaccinations, but I think when you add all of these vaccinations together and then two months later the baby is so different then lots of different things have happened. I really — I’ve known cases.”

Gretchen Carlson did try to talk him down and offer some fact-like material, so good for her.

Trump's sources for all of this garbage? According to him, Autism Speaks founders Bob and Suzanne Wright. As Orac at Respectful Insolence says:

Let's just put it this way. The Wrights have drunk deeply of the antivaccine Kool-Aid, so much so that the continued embrace of antivaccine nonsense by Autism Speaks in the face of overwhelming evidence that vaccines are not linked with autism is a large part of the reason why Alison Singer left that group. Trump's even done fundraisers for them.

Benedetta

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/28/look_out_donald_trumps_on_another_vaccine_truther_tear/

"Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!"

Benedetta

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-autism-children-vaccinations

"No more massive injections. Tiny children are not horses—one vaccine at a time, over time."

"I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future."

"So many people who have children with autism have thanked me—amazing response. They know far better than fudged up reports!"

Benedetta

http://twitchy.com/2012/04/09/donald-trump-the-fda-should-immediately-stop-mass-dose-vaccinations/

"Now they say obese women may cause Autism in children- nonsense, they use any excuse. The FDA should immediately stop mass dose vaccinations. If you spread single doses out over a short period of years, Autism would be greatly reduced. It’s just my opinion, but I know I’m right. Many people have noticed the problem only after the massive shot."

Benedetta

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/28/trump-weighs-in-on-vaccine-autism-controversy/

(CNN) - Donald Trump appears to be once again suggesting a link between vaccines and the rise in autism, a theory that's been debunked numerous times in recent years.

"If I were President I would push for proper vaccinations but would not allow one time massive shots that a small child cannot take – AUTISM," the business mogul and reality TV star wrote on Twitter Thursday evening.

Benedetta

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-gray/trump-autism-vaccine-_b_1424116.html

"Mr. Trump was on Fox & Friends a week or so ago, seemingly to pitch his new cologne "Success," and he made some waves with his comments on "monster shots" and a supposed link between vaccines and the rise in autism. This was indeed relevant conversation, for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had recently reported that the number of children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD) had risen to an estimated 1 in 88 (1.1 percent), up from the 1 in 110 estimates released just two years prior. The problem is, although Mr. Trump called his rantings "just a theory," there was little to no effort made by him nor the stellar Fox & Friends crew to seriously discuss the stunning lack of science behind his claims."

That is not enough!

Oh and the stellar fox and Friends crew that made little effort -- they were like deer caught in the headlights. Nothing like some one coming in and doing your job of reporting the news - especially after they just fired (fishy language Alysin Camerota.

Benedetta

Twyla:

I am sorry to confront you on this but you said:
"Still, even if I wanted to be a one-issue voter, to me Trump has not said or done enough on this issue to win my support."

He has said a GREAT DEAL on it, when he sneaks it past them to my pleasure, you just did not happen up on what he said.

Time to be a one issue voter, by the way.

Benedetta

Linda 1
What is a socialist;

The socialist idea is that they believe that every one is equal, every one should have the same chance, same pay, same opportunities. The government is there to determine what those same chances, same pay, same opportunities are. The government regulates fairness.

As in right now - everyone must have the same vaccines and the government is there to make sure that every one does. The government even help pay for all the vaccines - that is socialism.

Socialist reality: In the rural areas, and slums the vaccines that are distributed have more aluminium and probably using up the old mercury filled ones For sure the adult flu shots with mercury goes to those not so favored. Those that are in the richer communities, political power and has some clout have nicer, safer vaccines. Divided up, kept at the right temperature, not old, but new - no mercury; less aluminium.


This is going on around the internet and while you all dream of what a presidential candidate might -- just might really believe behind the scenes -- this has been my take on it for years.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204281790079985&set=a.10201869161965790.1073741828.1685509393&type=3&theater

Linda1

First, I think we need to define the word socialist. Tried to look it up and it seems that there is little agreement over what it means. There is also a bit a confusion over which countries have socialist governments and to what extent they are socialist, whatever that means. I'm pretty sure that Sanders' brand of socialism has to do social justice, something we do not now have. I'd like to hear from him what it means to him.

But I was thinking about all the CDC scandals and realized that it's not just our government. The CDC/WHO set global standards. You'd think that even if our government was too corrupt to admit their own criminality, that other governments would be outraged. You'd expect that media in other countries would be all over the CDC whistleblower and that THAT would force our country to do a proper investigation. Yet none of that has happened. It's not like they don't know. Our problem is global.

david m burd

As to the many skeptics here on AoA that declare the U.S. Congress is sold out and will not bring about any changes (or investigate) our devastating Immunization Schedule for children:

I grant that you may be right about Congress - they won't do anything.

HOWEVER, a new President that appoints a new Surgeon General, selected/appointed precisely because of his/her record of criticizing (and knowing) the vast carnage now being wrought to individual families, and that our nation is doomed if this continues, can indeed be a salvation.

A new President of this stripe would be listened to by the public, and even by the vast majority of American pediatricians that are presently "killing us all." It does not take Congress.

Twyla

re: "Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Socialists believe that the people only have what rights the government chooses to grant them - and that these rights can be revoked any time the government so chooses."

I am quite sure that Bernie Sanders believes in individual rights, and does not believe that not that the govt can revoke rights at any time. It does not make sense to simply apply a label "Socialist" and jump to conclusions based on over-generalizations.

Bernie has spoken out about pharma corruption and abuse of power, but so far does not seem to have connected that to vaccines. Yes, Donald Trump is the only candidate who has mentioned vaccines causing autism and over-vaccination, except for Rand Paul who is no longer running. Ben Carson mentioned vaccine choice and too-many-vaccines briefly but then quickly backtracked. Still, even if I wanted to be a one-issue voter, to me Trump has not said or done enough on this issue to win my support. In the past other political candidates have given brief lip service to our concerns, only to drop the issue like a hot potato later on.

Hera

This election is a hard one. I'm a great fan of free education,and want immigrants to be treated fairly in this land founded on acceptance "Bring me your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free"

But; if Bernie Sanders wants to force people to risk permanent harm to kids, how could I ever support him?
How can I support someone who wants to take away the most fundamental right to make your own medical choices?

We already know if a person has a life threatening or permanently damaging reaction the official line will be; but they must have had immune problems anyway. So it doesn't count. They are not "typical".

MTHFR alone has been linked with severe side effects from the smallpox vaccine. IGA has been linked with becoming a live virus carrier ( for up to 20 years in one case study!) of polio if given the live virus vaccine.

Force non typical kids to be vaccinated? Oh yes. Take any responsibility for the results? Oh no. The kids weren't "typical" so damage is okay and to be expected. But they need to be forced to be vaccinated first, and then we can be "surprised" that they reacted badly. Who could have forseen it? And anyway, its "Rare".

The one thing they are going to find though, is that it is a lot harder to dismiss damage in older kids as "it would have happened anyway"
If they wanted to introduce a program that resulted in random kids getting their hand chopped off, it really would not matter if they offered humanitarian programs afterwards.
Why is possible permanent immune system damage an okay risk to be forced to take?
Others already have the right to take every vaccine they want. And if there immune systems can take it , well go for it. Freedom of medical choice. Of course, in the long term, those who fight to take away our medical choices may end up finding that they are also losing their own medical rights.

Carolyn M

To expand on a point from one of Benedetta's excellent comments:

Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Socialists believe that the people only have what rights the government chooses to grant them - and that these rights can be revoked any time the government so chooses. This viewpoint aligns much more with vaccine mandates and forced vaccination than it does with medical freedom and vaccine exemptions. It would be wishful thinking to believe otherwise about any socialist candidate for elective office. Wishful thinking is dangerous - it helped get the current occupant of the White House elected both times, in my opinion. That certainly has not worked out very well.

I will be voting for Trump. Even before he was a candidate for President, he stated on national television that vaccines cause autism. His position on that issue is the deciding factor for me - the other candidates all appear to have never heard of vaccine injury and to believe that we should just all vaccinate our children.

Benedetta

OHHHHH Come on!

All President Obama said was - we will do more research, and remember you all fell all over yourselves in assuming he was the autism president.

Sanders will address the underlying corruption of the CDC - you are again assuming.

We need to stop assuming and make the candidates say exactly what we want to hear, not assume that they some where are hinting and wink, winking - that they are playing coy with the big pharma, but once they get in - they will lower the boom on them and save the American public!

Tracy Ligtenberg

I believe the underlying message of Bernie Sanders will address the issues we face dealing with big pharma control, government corruption, and lagging support for disabled victims. He seeks exposing the truth and revolutionizing how "the system" operates now. We have to start somewhere and by working together, we can bring about the changes that are necessary for integrity to be the backbone of our society. This will take time but by starting now, and with our youth, gives me hope that the current broken system can, and will, evolve.

Ronald Kostoff

Laura,

If you want to see something really 'disturbing', view the following link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92seQHDohho). It is a lecture by Allen Hornblum on how institutionalized children were used as guinea pigs in the 20th century. This lecture ties in with the AoA post I did a while back listing books dealing with unethical research on children and adults. In many/most of these cases: the doctors conducting the 'research' came from the most 'prestigious' medical institutions; the research persisted for decades; most parents did not give informed consent; for adults in institutions, they did not give informed consent; many of the inmates of these institutions were of the bottom strata of society and, for different reasons, were essentially defenseless; in many cases, the research was published in prestigious journals, and none of the Editors/medical readers protested; the leaders and staff of the institutions went along with these experiments; many/most of these experiments were revealed by 'outsiders', non-experts who stumbled across some evidence, and followed the data wherever it lead. If the goals of the 'research' were for life-saving procedures, one could offer some (feeble) rationalization of being for the 'Greater Good'. However, many of these 'research' projects were for very frivolous objectives: better perfumes, cosmetics, processed foods, etc.

How different were these experiments from those of the Nazis in the concentration camps? At best, a difference in degree, especially when the Nazi experiments for ideological purposes were excluded. More to the point, how different are the above experiments from the global experiments we are running in the here and now with: vaccines that have not been adequately tested in the short and especially the long-term; non-ionizing radiation sources that have not been adequately tested in the short- and long-term, and many other of the 800+ pervasive causes of disease I identified in my book that have not been adequately tested in the near- and long-term? One difference is clear: the guinea pigs in the concentration camps didn't like or want the experiments; the subjects in the institutions in Hornblum's video and in the books I posted didn't like or want the experiments; only we, who go about proclaiming how independent and free we are, not only participate in these experiments of unknown safety (or, more accurately, known non-safety), but we impose mandates requiring other citizens to participate. We are the 21st century equivalent of the Kapos in the concentration camps, and are the most 'brainwashed' civilization in the history of the world!

go Trump

Watched a bit of the Republican debate Saturday night to see if they would ask the same 9 damn questions again as with the other debates. That is exactly what they did....

The... only question never to be asked again.... is the one regarding vaccines and Autism.

Mr. Trump had a good response due to the applause by Jeb Bush supporters in the audience.

Trump stated that all the tickets to the event went to various financial supporters, and as he was not taking money from anyone, there was no one was in the audience for him...

I assume there is another debate soon. Perhaps Mr. Trump could somewhere state that he has answered the "damn immigration questions" a dozen times, and then give a proper two minute talk on vaccines and Autism.

DAY ONE of the TRUMP administration, he would void all vaccine mandates, arrest Dr. Thorsen, bring a number of CDC officials to the White House for questioning and proper indictments. Secure vaccine databases from the CDC...

And of course, appoint Dr. Andrew Wakefield to head HHS and begin to protect American children from the American medical mafia...

,,,The first step in improving any health care system.

Laura Hayes

This ongoing robust discussion seems like a good place to post this disturbing link regarding "Standing Orders" training for adult vaccinations:

http://www.standingorders.org/

You won't be surprised to learn that this is sponsored by Pfizer and Immunization Action Coalition.

White Rose

Barry , for me the very existence of hidden secret ingredients such as HCG & nagalase means vaccines are finished totally and completely .
The continual rumours about Aids & vaccines (and now Zika)

End of discussion .Vaccines are a total fraud .

And I know the intelligence of all here , I know they are all fully aware of what I'm talking about , and yet there still seems some ambiguity .

If the people are making vaccines with secret ingredients for other nefarious purposes (cancer or sterilisation) , then vaccines are FINISHED .

Dan Olmsted

Barry -- "that is not the only view we tolerate" -- unlike white rose and company, who do tolerate only one view -- theirs. disagree and you are a quisling for pharma.

Linda1

David,
My point is that Sanders' worldview is the kind that will take care of the sick no matter what it costs because he sees people as more important than money. Human suffering is not an issue for the capitalist - not a motivator - not a deterrent. It only becomes important when there is money to be made or if social problems threaten to interfere with profits. That's the system that got us into this mess. Any legislation, no matter how dire the human need, is first put through the what will it cost test, not to figure out what it will cost as much as to figure out if it's worth doing. There's a big difference. Because a lot of times they figure saving people will cost too much and they let people suffer and die, while at the same time blowing billions on nonsense. Whether Sanders can be set straight with regard to vaccination I don't know. If not, he would be the worst one to get into office. Where was he during the recent Vermont mandatory vaccine bill fiasco? Maybe that's where we should start to try to predict what he'll do. What did he do for his own state?

The k-12 system was never good. It's just worse now. The American literacy rate plummeted with compulsory education in the 1800's. John Taylor Gatto points out that modern educated Americans would not be able to decipher the kind of reading material that was popular before children were rounded up and marched by gunpoint to school under the first compulsory education laws. Americans, mostly farmers, did not want to send their children away to be educated by strangers, but social engineers decided that the way to homogenize and control society was to 'seize the children' and that's what they did. I wonder if a hundred years from now people will look back on our time of less vaccination the way our society looks back on the time before the mind of every child was processed by the state. There are a lot of parallels between compulsory education and mandatory vaccination. Both are bad for the mind and body, but interestingly, 100+ years later, people don't remember what the human mind was like before the processing began. We've been successfully brainwashed into thinking that turning children over to government agents to be raised must be done or the children won't turn out right, just like some people believe that unvaccinated children aren't normal. Today people are measured by the amount of schooling they've had. Will it be that way with vaccination? If you are interested in the true history of schooling, see Gatto's _The Underground History of American Education_. I think you might be able to find a pdf online. He has many other lectures and papers online.

Also, in 1970, Ivan Illich wrote in _Deschooling Society_:

"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question."

Illich proposed:

"The first article of a bill of rights for a modern, humanist society would correspond to the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "The State shall make no law with respect to the establishment of education." There shall be no ritual obligatory for all."

His book is in pdf here: http://learning.media.mit.edu/courses/mas713/readings/DESCHOOLING.pdf

But if society is going to continue on it's present course of requiring schooling far into adulthood, at least people shouldn't be financially burdened/bankrupt in order to meet those requirements. The requirements destroy lives. But you're right that the whole system being propped up and expanded is fatally flawed and harmful to begin with. Like the vaccination program.


Barry

Many of our readers and some of our writers feel the same way and we welcome them to express that view on AOA. That's just not the ONLY view we tolerate

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...tolerate???

Linda1

Dr. Kostoff,
I just want to also point out that for the past several years doctors have been prompted by the script they are told to read to each patient to ask about vaccines at each encounter. Unless people are avoiding doctors, and they wouldn't be the people to line up for dangerous injections anyway, the people going to doctors have plenty of opportunities to get stabbed as much as their hearts desire. I don't think the desire is there for more than half the adult population.

Linda1

"For the most part, they don't want to make the effort. Is it any different from statistics on people who attend PTA meetings, or local government meetings on important issues. I suspect if the vaccine providers came to peoples' residences or workplaces, and offered to give them for free or a nominal sum, the numbers would double."

Dr. Kostoff,
Absolutely not. I know plenty of people who don't know what's going on, but when asked if they personally want more vaccines, or a flu vaccine, the answer is in various terms, an adamant 'over my dead body'.

There is more adult opposition that you realize.

david m burd

@Introvert and others,

Quoting Introvert: "supporting vaccine safety concerns before the election would be political suicide".

I disagree, a candidate who would easily have a dozen of America's top vaccine-critic Doctors and Professors and Whistle-Blowers join him/her on the campaign trail could in fact rouse the country from their being naive victims of mainstream media.

There is an IMMENSE body of Medical Journal Papers that indict the massive vaccine poisoning of America's kids. What the hell is there to lose, other than the future of the United States? That being said, I'm sure Hillary could care less.

david m burd

@Linda1,

Dammit, school through K12 USED to be an excellent education all around the country: Even Bernie Sanders said so while campaigning in New Hampshire. But, INSTEAD of emphasizing schools stop having illiterate K12'ers graduate (i.e. go back to old-time standards), Sanders insanely would have millions of 17 year-olds go to college to finally become literate in "reading, writing, 'rithmathtic". Talk about ass-backwards priorities.

@Dan,

With your proven track record getting published the myriad evils of vaccines' catastrophic carnage to babies (hardly limited to autism), how can YOU not make a dedicated effort to educate Trump and his campaign team? Just because you call yourself an ardent Democrat is no excuse to not TRY to enlighten many Republican candidates, especially Trump. Of course as a team Mark Blaxill could join you. You've been heroic so far in your efforts, but achieving serious dialogue with Trump and/or other candidates (after Rand Paul) may literally 'save the day.'

Patience (Eileen Nicole) Simon

Dan, thank you for taking so great an interest in autism, and for allowing for diverse opinions to be posted here. Autism has many causes, clearly. Prenatal rubella infection, prenatal valproic acid exposure, oxygen insufficiency at birth, in addition to diverse genetic afflictions like tuberous sclerosis, fragile-X syndrome, and metabolic disorders like PKU. I will continue to point out autism's many causes, but what has caused the huge increase of prevalence over the past 30 years???

Vaccines must clearly be considered, and research beyond simplistic epidemiology. Thank you for keeping this issue alive, and I will continue to try to point out the clear medical error of clamping off placental respiration immediately after birth. Umbilical cord clamping is less visible than vaccination, but this followed by hep-B and vitamin K insult must be kept in public view.

Who is elected president won't matter that much, unless that person is radical enough to demand investigation of medical authority. Medical costs as well as procedures should be thoroughly reviewed. I understand Trump's popularity, and unless he has a secret SS army somewhere, he could not do any real harm in our checks-and-balances system of government.

Ronald Kostoff

Linda1,

Per your statement on vaccination statistics:" Those stats are not impressive. Whether they will be able to coerce people to take their poison remains to be seen."

The vaccines all appear to be for adults, taken voluntarily. If so, the statistics are not out of line. Consider voting statistics for national and local elections, taken every two years. They're probably not much better, if any, than those you provide for vaccinations. That doesn't mean that those who don't vote don't believe in voting, or are against voting. For the most part, they don't want to make the effort. Is it any different from statistics on people who attend PTA meetings, or local government meetings on important issues. I suspect if the vaccine providers came to peoples' residences or workplaces, and offered to give them for free or a nominal sum, the numbers would double.

Ronald Kostoff

AnneJ,

"I never thought I would be a "single issue voter," but the vaccine nightmare has gotten so out of hand..... I believe Trump is the only candidate who will at least push for the Whistle-Blower hearings."

A number of commenters on AoA have made similar statements, albeit using different words. To me, this is the analog of the 'magic bullet' approach to medicine pursued by the mainstream medical establishment. It doesn't work for medicine, and I don't see it working on a sociopolitical issue related to ending mandatory vaccination.

The President is only one link in a large chain required to effect real change. Usually, Congress and local legislators/governors, and the voting public, have to be on-board before the President will push some agenda. I can't think of one example where a President pursued an agenda that had the type of unified opposition that Trump would face in removing mandatory vaccination. I don't believe he would unilaterally raise it while in office. Has he ever raised it on the stump during this election season? If the voting public were to experience a major turn-around on the vaccination issue, you can bet the politicians at all levels would follow. That's not where we are now, and I find it difficult to visualize the pathway that would take us to that point.

Linda1

Warrior mom,
Don't get me wrong. I have no favorite candidate. However, I don't think Sanders believes in laziness. If he did, he wouldn't be working 24/7 at 73 to take on the hardest job on the planet. He believes in social responsibility, which for him means, among other things, educating our youth, and I agree with that. Our youth have not had everything handed to them at all. The average college student leaves school ten's of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. It wasn't that way for my generation. This is a new burden placed on the young like never before. With each generation the educational requirement to enter the workforce is raised higher, but we still only provide a k-12 education, and a lousy one at that, depending on the neighborhood one comes from. So today they have it fixed so that one can't take care of oneself without a college degree, but in order to get it one has to go into deep debt that will take most of one's working life to pay off. That is not the American dream that my parents or their parents lived. There are many people in their 30's who can't buy a home, can't start a family, because of student debt that is more than a mortgage. And there is no getting out of it. The government will take your social security if they have to. Then there are a lot of people who for various reasons never graduated, but they still have the debt and don't have the degree and the earning ability. France is a socialist country that provides their children with a university education. I believe that is the right thing to do. The young are behind Sanders because they know they are being handed a mangled mess of a corrupt country and they believe he knows what needs to be done to fix it. I don't blame them.

Not everyone has the option to work hard, do well. Not everyone has opportunity. There are a lot of people trapped in neighborhoods where they don't have access to a decent supermarket. Our system doesn't work if so many people don't have access to food.

As you know, a lot of people are sick for various reasons, and as Benedetta points out, telling people they should just move isn't helpful because it really isn't an option - sometimes because of physical barriers, sometimes because of mental barriers which are just as much if not more of a problem. Benedetta, I think Sanders would sincerely try to help Eastern Kentucky. I think he does care.

If Sanders believes that vaccination protects everyone, he might agree with mandates, and that would be bad. Interesting that France does not mandate vaccination (or at least not like the US) and the French doctors and citizens are openly questioning the value of vaccinating children. That's a socialist country doing much better with regard to quality of media and freedom to choose and debate vaccination. Maybe our problem is that our economy is more important than our people. Well, that and the fact that our elections are just shows and we don't know what's going on backstage.

But if it is possible for anyone to get in there and fix anything, Sanders would be the one, probably the only one, who would work hard to make sure that autistic children are well taken care of after their parents are no longer around. He'd be the one to fix that problem - not because he believes in giving things away, but because he believes in social responsibility and I think he has a heart.

And I think he's been around long enough for us to know that he won't be bought. He has not sold out yet.

Richard

Thanks for this post. I'm still trying to figure out the same thing myself, none of the choices are good, some may be less bad than others however. I agree with Ronald Kostoff that the real change needs to come from the culture at large, and then politicians will follow. I do personally see a growing movement toward questioning big pharma and looking for natural alternatives in food and medicine. The problem is that it's growing slowly and hasn't reached that critical mass yet, especially regarding vaccines. The whole reason this push for more mandates and increase in the intensity of the propaganda is coming right now, IMO, is that they're worried about this growing movement. Their profits being at risk is a large part of it, but not their only worry. Allopathic medicine, which is what's now considered mainstream medicine, is slowly losing its status as the dominant paradigm regarding health care in America (and possibly other countries too, I'm in America so I'll focus on what's happening here). The individual mandate of Obamacare is part of the same phenomenon, forcing people to buy into the system who may otherwise be looking for alternatives.

Despite the immense propaganda campaign going on right now, from what I see resistance to big pharma's agenda continues to slowly build. This is heartening to me, if this cultural change keeps building eventually we will win politically. That's no cause for complacency however, at the present time is seems like the biggest battles are yet to be fought, and it may get ugly. There's a good chance pharma could win in the short term, increasing mandates for children and adults. Legislation won't stop a cultural change, however, just drive it underground. It could actually speed it up, especially if adult mandates come on in full force, many without children or whose children are grown suddenly have a personal reason to care about the issue.

The majority of people who don't agree with the CDC vaccination schedules have been pretty content through the present time of quietly ignoring it and getting exemption for their children. I've had several conversations recently with people on our side of the issue who had no clue about all the politics going on now. It may be different in California after what they've been through, but I imagine most places its the same, lots of people on our side don't even realize the increasing threat we're under. Many Bernie Sanders supporters don't have any clue that he's for increased vaccine mandates, I've talked to several who were shocked when I mentioned that. Those are some of the people we need to reach out to the most.

Ted

Trump's greatest appeal is that he cannot be bought by our evil ruling class (those $$ make for nice insulation). That is especially true about vaccines, a product of the truly vile (and enormously wealthy)pharmaceutical industry.

 Teresa Conrick

White Rose,

You accuse Dan of " you are working for the Pharma and the depopulationists" . really...are you serious?

Get a grip! If you need counseling-- go get help. It is so tiring reading such ridiculous crap. You are giving parents of children who are so ill a bad rap. Am I next on your "working for Pharma list"? It is not easy caring for such ill children and if this is true for you, stop lashing out at others who are on your side.

Dan Olmsted

well, you've got me there RIF. although reagan, bush I, lbj and nixon are impressive exceptions! i guess the point is not that it usually happens, but that it certainly does.

Reading Is Fundamental
It’s also worth remembering that few people who run for president win the first time out. Stay tuned.

On the contrary, there have been only four people who have succeeded after a failed presidential bid since the beginning of the 20th century:

1. LBJ lost the 1960 nomination, joined the JFK ticket as VP, and won the general election in 1964.
2. Richard Nixon lost the general election in 1960 and won in 1968.
3. Ronald Reagan failed to gain the 1976 GOP nomination but won the presidency in 1980.
4. George H.W. Bush lost the 1980 nomination and won the general election in 1988.

Benedetta

Anne J;
There is nothing wrong in being a single issue voter. If you know one issue inside and out - you can pretty much judge how the guy running for office can also figure out the rest of the issues.

Sun~Rose

I feel Trump would be a big help to us because he has seen what can happen. And I also think he'll get the job done.

And White Rose I feel for You. Have You not been able to get any help with/for your child? Have You tried the Institutes for the Achievement of Human Potential?

Love and sympathy,
Sun~Rose who doesn't have it easy either, like all of us

WarriorMom

No candidate who wins the presidency will do anything regarding the autism epidemic.
My choice hasn't got a chance because the 4th branch of our government will NOT support him.
In the end..it will be Rubio/Kasich.
My son will never receive any vaccine injury compensation. He will live a sad life. I just looked at his baby pictures and it is SO SAD to see the engaging, happy little baby and then see pictures post MMR.
I agree with some of the other comments -- our government is no longer run by the people. Our educational system isn't doing its job to impress upon the next generation the importance of how our government should work. Most parents don't care about politics either. I'm a registered Republican and I'm for the philosophy "work hard, do well." Today, the young adults have been raised receiving what ever they want so that's why they like Sanders..."Just give it to me." So many students today cheat and lie their way in school. They get away with it and so it cares over into adulthood. No consequences for choices!
There are so many problems in our country. It's government generated... Welfare overdone and taken advantage of, the education system, poor parenting, faith going down the tubes, the need for instant gratification, and more!
I Don't have the answers because the corruption is so widespread.
Please...do not elect HilLIARy or Sanders as neither one is going to do anything to help our nation.
My candidate doesn't have a chance and Rand Paul is now out so the "establishment" will continue to rule and more children and adults will get sick from Vaccines and war will break out and my only hope is for my savior to come before my pain gets anymore unbearable.
Just one more note...Congress is the branch that creates the laws so most of our focus on who to elect into office there should start there. Once we get that branch of the government back "really working for the people" then our focus should be on the presidency, whose job is to enforce the laws. Citizens who don't vote are the ones in charge. If they would get out and vote and not base their opinion on who "looks and acts" like a leader, but strictly on the job they need to do, then we may get back our government.
Sorry to be so gloom and doom!

Angus Files

Whoever you have had in power over the years in America don't vote for them again, put aside the divide and rule mechanism`s religion, political party, basketball team, soccer team...vote for change!Trump for America looks good from here in Scotland n` UK...don't be fooled again guys.

MMR RIP

Dan Olmsted

Hi White Rose, this is what happens when I respectfully respond to you. That, alas, is why we cannot simply run everything you submit as a comment -- not because we can't tolerate anyone who is opposed to all vaccination, but because your words are harsh, divisive, personal, accusatory and off-topic. Still, I wish you and your family the best. -- Dan

White Rose

Dan - what is your personal experience of autism ?
My child has not stopped screaming in 8 years .
Why are you involved at all Dan ?
If you have read everything that I've ever reads about vaccine then you know full well its a crime against humanity. & I know you have read it .
Vaccines cause , autism , MS , ME , arthritis , death , sids , alzheimers , parkinsons , hogkinsons lymphoma , diabetes , and the list goes on and on . And you know all of this (as also does Ann Dachel & Jenny Allen) .

Why has the Blaxman never answered any of the allegations -
Omnibus,judge & congress,Hooker . Don't try to manage us , which is what your game clearly is .

Dan Olmsted

White Rose -- don't know why you think I'd black out a comment from someone who thinks it's better to be completely anti-vaccine. Many of our readers and some of our writers feel the same way and we welcome them to express that view on AOA. That's just not the ONLY view we tolerate, which I think is what really bothers you. sorry, our tent is a little bigger than that.

White Rose

"What’s yours, fellow AOAers ?" this means you cannot censor aggressive feedback Dan .

"excessive vaccination is the cause" you say !
I say "vaccination is the cause" Dan . Do you see what Dan is doing here , he is making a case for the continuing necessity of vaccination . We just need to cut back a bit - is that right Dan ?

So Dan , what is the right amount of vaccine Dan ?
We know the HPV is a fraud , sterilising young girls so that can go . And the mumps vaccine is a fake (re the two whistleblowers) . Likewise the flu vaccine is fake , doesn't work at all . The HepB at birth is another crime .
Vaccines are causing cancer(SV40 & nagalase) & sterility (HCG) with secret not listed ingredients Dan . For me , as soon as there was even one case of secret , not listed ingredients (for other nefarious military purposes) , then that means everything about vaccines is a crime .

Vaccines are nothing to do with healthcare at all , they are the missing weapons of mass destruction , and you are an apologist for them - as far as I am concerned I believe you are working for the Pharma and the depopulationists .
Doubt you have the backbone to allow this comment .

Joy B

Trump doesn't even want to be president, he's never intended this to be anything more than a fun thing to check off of his bucket list(his own words after his first large rally).

If somehow by accident or fluke Trump was elected, he wouldn't dare go against big pharma. I think the thing that we're all forgetting here is that the US has long since ceased to be a representative democracy, and if one is not amenable to the oligarchy/plutocracy, you're simply NOT "selected".

imo Trump is a foil for whichever establishment candidate is "selected". The whole thing is based on rules, on chivalry and "honor", and agreed upon as a theatrical tableau. Of course politics always are, but currently the "set" is completely closed off to the public, and the more desperate and farcical the "official" regime becomes, the more Biff-Tannenlike their foil becomes, naturally. Cast back your minds a few years, it even sounds like a complete farce; "Trump vs Clinton". These two would've cackled at it themselves, a few years back.

Trump would become, if he has not been already(has he spoken about vaccines recently? About the Zika hoax/coverup?), "re-educated" about the sanctity of vaccine science. We're not talking about a da Vinci or an Einstein here people.

Jeannette Bishop

Thank you for making the effort to communicate with these candidates.

I hope Paul keeps his senate seat. At the very least, we could use someone in the Senate who will filibuster (however immediately ineffectual in appearance) against certain constitutional violations such as presidential kill lists, etc. Maybe he could stand against national vaccine mandates in such a way?

Trump may not be so easily "bought" (I think he has already demonstrated a great deal of courage speaking out about what he sees happening to some who have followed the CDC's advice), but he may be beholden more than is readily obvious to the good will of our debt-based financial system and those controlling it...and most candidates are vulnerable to being threatened/blackmailed...it appears to me there are those who work very hard to establish "control files" on anyone in positions of influence and to make sure no one is appointed (or gets "elected") to such positions without such a "file"...

...and I think vaccines fall easily into the top of a list of favorite approaches for those who want control and ability to exploit. So, I'm pretty certain politicians like Rep. Cummings are more than bought, probably threatened, when it comes to doing anything of substance in stopping or remediating the vaccine injury epidemics.

I don't think we're really going to get anywhere until we have a broad-based coalition willing to undermine and ultimately remove "the controllers" ability to carry out their agendas, maybe even the agendas that sound good ... the funny thing is the autism epidemic might be the poster child of how something that sounds good on paper and seemingly just about everyone pulls together to support could be the farthest thing from good when you get down to examining the roots of it ... I sometimes wonder if the vaccine connection is shouted down so strongly because it might educate deeper and further than just regarding one public policy, and some find those areas more important, or just as important, to protect?

If there are such, I want to ask them if we can't acknowledge and stop destroying the health of children via "healthcare" under their "leadership," how can we consider them qualified to lead the human race into any other endeavor of progress?

AnneJ

I never thought I would be a "single issue voter," but the vaccine nightmare has gotten so out of hand, I can't think of anything that is more important than exposing the massive corruption of our CDC and pharmaceutical companies. Our country is being steered in a dangerous direction.
What else matters if we are all too sick to function? What kind of future do we have if we continue to poison our nation's children with an irresponsible, dangerous vaccine schedule?
I believe Trump is the only candidate who will at least push for the Whistle-Blower hearings. We need to get this mess out in the open. Then more people would understand what is going on and pressure their congressmen/women to address the issue. It's going to take a massive grassroots effort to turn things around. The average citizen, who has not witnessed vaccine regression, still does not believe our own government could be so heartless, greedy and corrupt as to be willing to destroy it's own people.
Trump would not have been a candidate I could really get behind, under normal circumstances, but he is the only one who might actually tackle this dire vaccine problem.
In my mind, there is no ideal candidate running, but Trump is the best chance we have for exposing the vaccine corruption and perhaps saving future children from being harmed. That's what matters most to me. If that's all he accomplished, it would still be significant (I would hope the other checks and balances in place would prevent him from doing damage elsewhere).
The vaccine nightmare needs to end. We need real research, real treatments, acknowledgment of the real problem. None of that will happen until more of us demand that. The government is never going to willingly go down that path without massive pressure to do so.

Linda1

Dr. Kostoff,
I agree with you. I was only saying that at some point something has to give because while the CDC and their buddies go around lying and pushing their nefarious agenda on the global population, people and economies increasingly suffer. It may be that the world's population is already too weak from the attack to stop them. But look at this just out a couple of days ago:

"Researchers conducted a study to survey the vaccination coverage among adult populations in the U.S. using data from the National Health Interview Survey (NHIS). Reports were obtained between August 2013–June 2014 for influenza vaccination, and between January–December 2014 for pneumococcal, tetanus, and diphtheria (Td) and tetanus and diphtheria with acellular pertussis (Tdap), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, herpes zoster, and human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination."

Except for slight increases in Tdap and Herpes Zoster coverage, stats remained the same from the following year. The last reported:

Tdap 19 + yrs - 20.1%
H. Zoster 60 + yrs - 27.9%
Influenza Adult - 43.2
Pneumococcal high risk 19-64yr - 20.3
" Adults 65 + - 61.3
TD Adults - 62.2
Hep A " - 9.0
Hep B " - 24.5
HPV Females - 40.2
" Males - 8.2

Re the HPV, they don't say (I didn't see) if those stats include only persons who received the entire 3 shot series or not, as many never go back after the first round

Those stats are not impressive. Whether they will be able to coerce people to take their poison remains to be seen. Who knows if those sorry stats are correct. One thing is certain though - we can't believe ANYTHING that we hear in the media.

Please keep educating about the dangers of wireless. I'm so glad that you are doing that.

http://www.empr.com/news/2016-recommended-immunization-schedule-for-adults-whats-changed/article/471432/2/


annie

My thoughts are that you are a brilliant person and I am so grateful for you advocacy! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

A Sanders/RFK jr ticket would be amazing!

Maureen

One thing (among a huge list of others) going for Bernie is that he has integrety and he is not stupid. IMO all of the others running fall short in one or both of those categories. As far as the label goes,listen to what his platform is and ask yourself which of those you are against As Nina Turner congresswoman from Ohio put it --we can't go from "Yes we Can" to "No we Can't". Our issue of autism will more likely be addressed by someone who attacks the pharmecuetical industry in a televised national debate than by those who are feeding from the trough.
Bernie thinks the major threat to our country is global warming - imo if we don't get on that none of the children of the world have a future.

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