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Refusing to Acknowledge CDC Whistleblower Validity

Star CommenterThank you to David Foster, AofA contributor, for allowing us to post his comment made on a blog entry at the Orac-penned ScienceBlogs "Respectful Insolence."  

Ben Swann returns, and this time he’s got the CDC whistleblower documents.

(Orac:) When it comes to blogging, sometime’s it’s feast or famine. Some days there are more topics and stories that I’d like to blog about than I could ever get to, given that I generally only do one post per weekday, while other days I seriously think about skipping a day because there’s just nothing out there that interests me. This is one of the former kinds of days. Seriously, there was an embarrassment of riches last night, so much so that I had a hard time making up my mind what story to write about. The one that I ultimately chose only just edged out the second place choice, and then only at the last minute and then only because it is a followup to a post I did about about a month ago. I might well get to the runner up tomorrow, but for now it’s time to revisit a story I’ve done a lot of blogging about because it’s come up again.

How many of you remember Ben Swann? Well, he’s back. Regular readers might remember that Swann is the clueless, conspiracy-minded “investigative reporter” who anchors the evening news for WGCL-CBS46 in Atlanta. The location is important, because it’ means he’s the local news anchor for a major CBS affiliate who did a highly credulous story about the the “#CDCtruth” rally in October...


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Foster's comment:

Do you ever notice that Orac can never simply provide the facts and let the reader draw their own conclusions? Why is that Orac? Do you have that little faith in your readership? (You should.) Every sentence is filled with ad hominem attacks and vitriol, and you always seem to leave out details which are not consistent with the conclusion you wish your readers to draw.

Its fascinating to watch how Orac and everyone else here is so willing to put the cart before the horse. Apparently the credibility of Dr. William Thompson, a senior epidemiologist and research scientist at the CDC, is dubious enough that these kinds of serious claims do not warrant any sort of investigation. We wouldn't want to learn that everything we've been spouting about for years might not be true, now would we?



Think about this seriously for a moment. Dr. Thompson is a senior CDC research scientist and one of the authors of the 2004 DeStefano paper, and he now claims that significant findings were withheld from that paper. If this were about any topic other than vaccines, this whistleblower would have already testified in front of Congress. Maybe he's right, maybe he's full of it...but at the very least the gravity of his claims warrant serious investigation, and Posey has now tried twice to convince his colleagues to hold hearings. Crickets.

All of you keep yammering on about how nothing has come of this, it's old news, this happened a year ago and there have been no new developments, and you use this as evidence that Dr. Thompson's claims must be false.

The continued silence from the media on this story and the inaction from Congress are just more examples of how difficult it is to get any vaccine safety issue adequately investigated, much less even taken seriously. Especially when there are so many pseudo-skeptics who can't seem to figure out exactly what they should be skeptical of.

Orac says:

 "Certainly, its key premise, that DeStefano et al showed that African American boys who receive the MMR earlier are at a much higher risk of autism than those who don’t and that the CDC covered it up, is not supported by evidence and rests on the misinterpretation of the DeStefano et al dataset."

That is bull puckey. What evidence? The evidence here is the 2004 DeStefano study itself, and when a whistleblower claims that a study withheld significant findings, you can't use that same study as "evidence" that he is not correct. Right now the only real evidence is Dr. Thompson's statements, the videos that were made of him talking on the phone, and the documents that he gave to Congressman Posey (you know, the documents he claims the other researchers threw away).

You can make fun of Ben Swann all you like, but the simple fact is that no mainstream media outlet, or mainstream journalist for that matter, would be willing to take this on. It would mean the end of their career, and you all know it.

The fact that you do not see that as a problem tells us everything we need to know about your collective bias on this issue.

Comments

Carol

From 2006 to 2008, Orac regularly misspells "chiropractor." In 2006 we see "chiropracter" in body and headline. In 2007 one post contains both the "er" spelling and the correct spelling. A later post in 2007 uses "er." At the end of 2007 it becomes "or." Yay! Orac has finally figured it out. But not so fast, there, pardner. (Do I have enough commas in that? Maybe one more?) In 2008 we get an "or" in the headline and "er" in the body.

Doesn't it seem odd that a highly-educated man who is obsessed with chiropractors wouldn't be able to spell them? And even odder that the spelling would switch back and forth? It's almost as if, it's almost as if there was more than one person involved.

Not worth anyone's time

orac may not block comments, but he loses them if they clearly, in-arguably, factually refute his talking points. I know because that is what he did with my posts to his blog many years ago. They were there, then they were gone. I have never read his blog since as his actions revealed to me his true character and motives. Science and truth are not really anywhere on his agenda.

False Skeptics Make Me Laugh

Rachel,

Gorski selectively moderates. If there is a point that he cannot refute, he will block the comment so that he can save face with his sycophants. He's done it to me, and he's done it to other commenters.

The majority of his brainless drivel is ad hominem and trying to present his own opinion and speculation as fact.

Talking about him, however, feeds his narcissism. Overall, though...he's a nobody.

Christina Waldman

I agree, Jenny Allan. I am sure I am in the company of many who, like me, have had their comments never show up on Orac's blogs, or have been mercilessly attacked there.

Greg

Slightly unrelated, one of Orac's cheerleaders decided to attack Ben Swan's reporting of the CDC whistleblower affair with one of Orac's barf. Swann shot it done with this....

I was forwarded your email in regards to my Reality Check piece on the CDC. In the future, feel free to respond directly to me.

I see that you forwarded a blog from “scienceblogs.com” which you claim “refutes” the points made in my piece. After carefully reviewing the blog entry, I find that not only does it NOT refute a single fact from my story but that it resorts to the worst of all “journalistic practices”.

There is not one statement made in my piece that the writer of this blog, who by the way does not list their name and goes by Orac, is able to disprove or demonstrate how it was incorrectly represented. In addition, Orac, chooses not to bother dealing with the facts of my story and instead insults me repeatedly while making statements such as “I can’t help but interjecting here that if Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. thinks you’re telling the truth about vaccines, you really should reassess your reporting skills.” And “ Swann sounds like Rob Schneider ranting about the vaccine court,”

This attempted “smear by association” is once again a lazy attempt to ignore the fact that the writer cannot refute factually any fact raised during this report and instead resorts to name calling. As the adage goes, you know when you have won the argument when the other side resorts to name-calling.

As for the issue of vaccine court, the writer of this article (who again, does not bother to reveal their own name) doesn’t refute any statement I make about the hundreds of children every year injured by vaccines. He acknowledges that vaccine court exists and then assumes that I am against it?

I do want to point out that I personally am not “anti-vaccination” but I am pro-transparency when it comes to these issues. As a journalist, my job is to dig into stories. As I mentioned in my piece, I have requested sit-down interviews with Dr. Thompson and will continue to do so. My agenda is the truth and any evidence on either side of this debate is worth discussion.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/11/02/ben-swann-on-the-cdctruth-rally-regurgitating-antivaccine-talking-points/

Greg

And speaking of Orac being an hypocrite, Bob Moffit says...

If it were Orac's true intention to debunk the allegations made by Dr Thompson .. and .. as he claims .. he has the clear and convincing "evidence" to prove it .. ORAC WOULD BE AMONG THE LOUDEST VOICES DEMANDING CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS TO EXPOSE DR. THOMPSON AS A FRAUD .. AND .. HIS ALLEGATIONS AS "LIES".

Bob, he has....

It’s time to take the gloves off when discussing this “CDC whistleblower.” William Thompson has become antivaccine. As difficult as that is to accept, it’s hard to come to any other conclusion, given his behavior. As a result, I’m starting to drift closer to the position of antivaccinationists on this, but for a different reason. I now want an investigation, if only to get Thompson’s butt on the stand for some cross-examination. He’s been silent for nearly a year. I want him to be forced to explain himself and back up his charges. I bet he can’t.

And in the comment section of the same blog, he adds....

That’s why I’ve started to come around to the idea that a real investigation should be launched. However, Rep. Posey is as wrong a person to choose to do such an investigation as can be imagined given his antivaccine beliefs. In fact, given how political it all is, Congressional committees in general are the wrong tool for such an investigation. Maybe the FBI (i.e., the professionals) should get involved. After all, Thompson is basically accusing by insinuation that his co-authors committed a federal crime destroying documents. Then, at least, we’d know everything that Hooker and Wakefield have, Thompson would be forced to answer questions or take the 5th, and it would all be public record.

So, here we have Orac agreeing with David Foster that the severity of the Whistleblower's claims warrants an investigation, to now gloating that nothing is being done about the claim. The man's disinginuity reduces him to nothing but a spectacle.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/05/the-cdc-whistleblower-william-thompson-appears-to-have-gone-full-antivaccine/

Gary Ogden

cmo: According to my calculations based upon current VAERS data, between 4 and 40 children die from vaccination per day (4.2 at 10% of actual incidents actually reported, and 42 at 1%). Between 980 and 9,800 reportable adverse events per day. Between 230 and 2,300 ER visits per day. Would Orac deny such numbers? They come from the government! And the "capture rate" (1%) from none other than Dr. David Kessler, former commissioner of the FDA, also the government!

cmo

A bit off topic, but.. Most Americans have had about enough of Pharma, the CDC, the News and Wall Street.

Mr. Trump might change his campaign strategy a bit and introduce some Autism parents and perhaps some SIDS parents at his well-attended events. I would think he would quickly rise another 15 points in the polls, as the truth is provided in city after city after city...

The 100% “all American vaccine guns” are killing about 10 children every day, with another 130 per day becoming Autistic.

Carol

Spelling has improved. At one time Orac thought it was "chiropracter."

Autism mom

Orac is such a hypocrite and borderline sociopath. We witnessed the way he and his fellow pitbulls in the medical establishment crucified Dr. Wakefield over his study on MMR and autism even though fraud accusations were based on flimsy evidence and a Brian Deer lead smear campaign. In the end Wakefield's co author was exonerated. Now we have a senior CDC scientist William Thompson who came forward to say that the CDC coworkers committed fraud regarding MMR and autism and Orac seems perfectly fine with that. Scientific fraud apparently is acceptable to Orac as long as it supports that autism and vaccines are not linked. This reaffirms what a vacuous, hypocritical, insincere blowhard Orac really is. He doesn't really care about truth or ensuring high standards of integrity in research as long as it supports his agenda.

kapoore

I don't read Orac's blog. I don't need to be reassured that vaccines aren't dangerous. I don't need to read one more person who threatens to jail parents for not vaccinating when the problem is a failed vaccine. David Foster is, of course, right that allegations as serious as Thompson's deserves to be investigated. Are the phony scientists still quoting Dr. DeStefano's study as proof that vaccines don't cause autism. At the very least they should throw that study out the window, and it should not be included in any so called meta-study, that is, a study that clumps together a bunch of studies that are somehow inaccessible to anyone who doesn't have a Freedom of Information Act and a PhD in statistics. I guess the "ScienceBlogs" is on board for the goal of one in every two children in the USA having autism spectrum. Keep it up ding bat Orac--wait until there aren't enough working Americans for the government to pay your salary.

Greg


Also, in case anyone missed this, one of Orac's cheerleaders decided to attack Ben Swann on his reporting of the CDC whistleblower by citing Orac's barf. Benn shot back with this.


I was forwarded your email in regards to my Reality Check piece on the CDC. In the future, feel free to respond directly to me.

I see that you forwarded a blog from “scienceblogs.com” which you claim “refutes” the points made in my piece. After carefully reviewing the blog entry, I find that not only does it NOT refute a single fact from my story but that it resorts to the worst of all “journalistic practices”.

There is not one statement made in my piece that the writer of this blog, who by the way does not list their name and goes by Orac, is able to disprove or demonstrate how it was incorrectly represented. In addition, Orac, chooses not to bother dealing with the facts of my story and instead insults me repeatedly while making statements such as “I can’t help but interjecting here that if Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. thinks you’re telling the truth about vaccines, you really should reassess your reporting skills.” And “ Swann sounds like Rob Schneider ranting about the vaccine court,”

This attempted “smear by association” is once again a lazy attempt to ignore the fact that the writer cannot refute factually any fact raised during this report and instead resorts to name calling. As the adage goes, you know when you have won the argument when the other side resorts to name-calling.

As for the issue of vaccine court, the writer of this article (who again, does not bother to reveal their own name) doesn’t refute any statement I make about the hundreds of children every year injured by vaccines. He acknowledges that vaccine court exists and then assumes that I am against it?

I do want to point out that I personally am not “anti-vaccination” but I am pro-transparency when it comes to these issues. As a journalist, my job is to dig into stories. As I mentioned in my piece, I have requested sit-down interviews with Dr. Thompson and will continue to do so. My agenda is the truth and any evidence on either side of this debate is worth discussion


http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/11/02/ben-swann-on-the-cdctruth-rally-regurgitating-antivaccine-talking-points/

Greg

Bob Moffit says....


if it were Orac's true intention to debunk the allegations made by Dr Thompson .. and .. as he claims .. he has the clear and convincing "evidence" to prove it .. ORAC WOULD BE AMONG THE LOUDEST VOICES DEMANDING CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS TO EXPOSE DR. THOMPSON AS A FRAUD .. AND .. HIS ALLEGATIONS AS "LIES".

But he has Bob....

It’s time to take the gloves off when discussing this “CDC whistleblower.” William Thompson has become antivaccine. As difficult as that is to accept, it’s hard to come to any other conclusion, given his behavior. As a result, I’m starting to drift closer to the position of antivaccinationists on this, but for a different reason. I now want an investigation, if only to get Thompson’s butt on the stand for some cross-examination. He’s been silent for nearly a year. I want him to be forced to explain himself and back up his charges. I bet he can’t.

And later in the same blog he writes....

That’s why I’ve started to come around to the idea that a real investigation should be launched. However, Rep. Posey is as wrong a person to choose to do such an investigation as can be imagined given his antivaccine beliefs. In fact, given how political it all is, Congressional committees in general are the wrong tool for such an investigation. Maybe the FBI (i.e., the professionals) should get involved. After all, Thompson is basically accusing by insinuation that his co-authors committed a federal crime destroying documents. Then, at least, we’d know everything that Hooker and Wakefield have, Thompson would be forced to answer questions or take the 5th, and it would all be public record.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/08/05/the-cdc-whistleblower-william-thompson-appears-to-have-gone-full-antivaccine/

That Orac would now gloats that nothing is being done about the CDC whistleblower demonstrates the height of his disingenuity, and the utter futility in taking anything he has to say seriously.

Benedetta

It is over a year no and counting since the Whistle blower came clean

This week a black man broke in a home - just randomly - found a knife and stabbed a six year old to death in his own bed.

The Father subdued the man, pinned him to the floor and took the knife away and called the police.

The Black man - was a wait for it "nurse".

Was he in some kind of psychosis? I think he was.
Did it come from vaccine that the nurses are all so required to take?

Every week it is something.

Oh, and San Bernardino that shooting - the man that bought the weapons that was used in the Health Department Christmas Party - checked himself into a mental hospital.

It is getting wild out here.

Bob Moffitt

Orac says:

"Certainly, its key premise, that DeStefano et al showed that African American boys who receive the MMR earlier are at a much higher risk of autism than those who don’t and that the CDC covered it up, is not supported by evidence and rests on the misinterpretation of the DeStefano et al dataset."

Ah, yes .. if it were Orac's true intention to debunk the allegations made by Dr Thompson .. and .. as he claims .. he has the clear and convincing "evidence" to prove it .. ORAC WOULD BE AMONG THE LOUDEST VOICES DEMANDING CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS TO EXPOSE DR. THOMPSON AS A FRAUD .. AND .. HIS ALLEGATIONS AS "LIES".

That ORAC refuses to call for that Congressional hearing clearly indicates it is HE who fears the TRUTH .. not Dr. Thompson.

I would suggest Orac desperately needs to hear the wisdom of Budda .. who wrote;

"There are things that cannot be hidden long; the sun the moon .. and .. the TRUTH."

Rachel

Orac's blog doesn't block comments, unless someone is repeatedly spamming or abusive - and even then the poster is put on moderation rather than banned. Posts which simply disagree with the premise of a post are always let through.

Jenny Allan

Terrific comment from David Foster. My only surprise is the so called 'ScienceBlogs' mods allowed it to be published below one of David Gorski's (Orac's) RI blogs.

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