TWO DOCTORS LAST NIGHT RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT TOO MANY TOO SOON AND A PARENT'S RIGHT CHOOSE---IT'S EASY TO RIDICULE TRUMP FOR HIS POSITION, BUT THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ARGUMENT.
WOW! MORE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.....
The vaccine controversy got the media's attention last evening during the Republican presidential debate. The question was raised by moderator Jake Tapper: "Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked childhood vaccines to autism, which as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes. You're a pediatric neuro-surgeon, should Mr. Trump stop saying this?"
Dr. Ben Carson: "Well let me put it this way, there have been numerous studies and they have not demonstrated that there is any correlation between vaccinations and autism. Vaccines are very important--certain ones, ones that would prevent death of crippling. There are others--there's a multitude of vaccines that probably don't fit into that category, and there should be some discretion in those cases. You know, a lot of this is pushed by big government."
Donald Trump: "Autism has become an epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control. I am totally in favor of vaccines, but I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in--and I've seen it. . . I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time--same exact amount.
"You take this little, beautiful baby and you pump--I mean it looks like it's meant for a horse, not for a child, We've had so many instances, people who work for me. Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, the child, the beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back an a week later, got a tremendous fever, got very very sick, now is autistic. I only say--I'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time--same amount, just in little sections."
Carson: "The fact of the matter is, we have extremely well documented proof that there no autism associated with vaccinations. But it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time.
Dr. Rand Paul: "One of the greatest medical discoveries of all time were the vaccines, particularly for small pox. . . . I’m all for vaccines, but I'm also for freedom. I'm also a little concerned about how they're bunched up. My kids had all their vaccines, and even if the science doesn't say bunching them up is a problem, I ought to have the right to spread my vaccines out at the very least.
All three speakers endorsed vaccination, yet they have their concerns over so many vaccines over such a short period of time. They all sounded very reasonable. Certainly there are issues here to be explored, especially concerning the safety studies and a parent's right to choose.
The mainstream media doesn't see it that way. There cannot be questions raised about vaccines--EVER. News reports were quick to attack the messengers, while ignoring the message.
Salon.com: Donald Trump and Ben Carson embrace vaccine trutherism by Scott Eric Kaufman
Trump said he is “totally in favor of vaccines,” then launched into a story about the child of a friend who received “the vaccine” and suffered a very high fever a week later. When the fever abated, Trump said, her parents discovered that “now she’s autistic.”
He embraced the vaccination truther myth that it’s not the vaccines themselves — which have been repeatedly proven to be safe — that cause autism, but the schedule on which they’re dosed out.
Carson’s tepid response drew immediate criticism from doctors and pediatricians across the country.
“No Ben Carson,” Baltimore pediatrician Scott Krugman wrote on Twitter. “The answer is ‘yes’ Donald Trump is wrong. Vaccines don’t cause autism. What are you talking about? . . .
“Well, let me put it this way,” he began hesitantly. “There has — there have been numerous studies, and they have not demonstrated that there is any correlation between vaccinations and autism.”
Carson’s tepid response drew immediate criticism from doctors and pediatricians across the country.
“No Ben Carson,” Baltimore pediatrician Scott Krugman wrote on Twitter. “The answer is ‘yes’ Donald Trump is wrong. Vaccines don’t cause autism. What are you talking about?”
Yet, on an issue that could prove prickly for Republicans in the general election, Carson’s comment was actually the most forceful of the night.
Trump essentially doubled down on his past statements by again suggesting that vaccines, or concentrations of them, cause autism.
“Autism has become an epidemic,” he warned. “Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.”
Rand Paul, like Carson, a doctor, also equivocated on the issue.
“I’m all for vaccines,” he said. “But I’m also for freedom.”
The exchange, particularly Trump’s comments, drew a sharp response from autism groups.
“Despite a wealth of scientific evidence debunking any link between autism and vaccinations, tonight’s Republican primary debate featured prominent commentary from a leading candidate repeating inaccurate information suggesting a link,” the Autistic Self Advocacy Network said in a statement. “Autism is not caused by vaccines — and Autistic Americans deserve better than a political rhetoric that suggests that we would be better off dead than disabled.”
Daily Beast: Vaccine Truther Trump Peddles Anti-Science Conspiracies ... by Russell Saunders and Betsy Woodruff
The frontrunner was allowed to spout debunked theories linking vaccines to autism, and ‘bunching up’ shots, before an audience of millions of CNN debate viewers—and went unchallenged.
Heads up: Donald Trump is still a vaccine truther.
At the CNN debate Wednesday night, the GOP frontrunner broadcasted anti-science vaccine conspiracy nonsense—unchallenged by moderators or fellow contenders—to an audience of millions.
. . . Trump has long peddled goofy, debunked theories about a causal link between vaccination and autism. As far back as 2012, he suggested the practice of giving numerous vaccines to healthy babies is “monstrous.”
CNN: Debate coach: Trump's disgraceful autism claim by Todd Graham
Donald Trump thinks vaccines cause autism.
This topic, after two and a half hours of the debate, was by far the most significant, and undoubtedly the most disappointing moment of the evening.
I must begin with this: Vaccines do not cause autism. There is no basis in science at all for this. The journal piece that began this nonsense years ago was retracted. All similar studies have been thoroughly discredited.
The following medical groups agree that there is no link between vaccines and autism: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institutes of Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Health Organization and the Institute of Medicine. Whether alone or grouped together (such as Measles Mumps and Rubella), vaccines don't cause autism. The medical community is clear.
New York Daily News: Donald Trump claims during 2016 GOP debate that vaccinations are linked to autism by Erin Durkin and Adam Edelman
Donald Trump added another item to his "anti-" list Wednesday: Vaccinations.
During a bizarre rant at the GOP 2016 debate, the bombastic billionaire suggested that vaccines can contribute to autism in children.
Forbes: Ben Carson Doesn't Get It: All Our Vaccines Prevent Death by Tara Haelle
We already knew Donald Trump didn’t understand medicine. He once again parroted the tired falsehood that autism and vaccines have anything to do with each other. They don’t. He added insult to injury by also repeating the tired falsehood that “autism has become an epidemic.” Not only is that untrue, it’s offensive to the millions of autistic individuals living rich lives and the families and friends who love them. But sweeping inaccurate statements and being offensive are nothing new for Trump.
. . . Perhaps it’s too much to ask for presidential candidates to understand even basic medical concepts, such as vaccines. But at the very least, we should expect the two men who have practiced medicine to understand them. If they don’t understand the subject matter they’ve made careers out of, what confidence does that offer for their leadership of a nation?
And for what I wish were the last time. Vaccines don’t cause autism. They just don’t.
THE FACTS: Media researchers have debunked claims that vaccines given to children can lead to autism and developmental disorders.
I think its about time we expanded from the tired question, "Do vaccines cause autism." The response is ALWAYS THE SAME: "Studies show no link," case closed.
It's time for some rational discussion here. There are a number of questions Jake Tapper and reporters Kaufman Miller, Saunders, Woodruff, Graham and Haelle need to be asking. Actually there are dozens of concerns that should be brought up, but I'll limit myself to these:
*Is it at all concerning that the U.S. vaccine schedule has more than tripled since 1983 without a single study on the cumulative effect of so many shots, so soon on the health of a child?
*Should we be asking why multiple vaccines given in one doctor visit, yet they're only studied individually?
*Why do health officials continue to deny a link between vaccines and autism, while ignoring the concession by experts at HHS in the case of Hannah Poling and the discovery of 83 cases of vaccine-induced autism compensated by the Federal Court of Claims?
*Why has there never been a comparision study of fully vaccinated and never vaccinated children? Officials adamantly refuse at the same time they're complaining about the number of children who aren't vaccinated. Let's see if never-vaccinated kids have the same health issues, including autism, as fully vaccinated ones.
*Why do we allow the vaccine makers to do their own safety studies? Why is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention allowed to approve and recommend the vaccine schedule and also be in charge of safety? How come hundreds of employees at the CDC have conflict of interest waivers because of their direct financial ties to the vaccine industry?
*Why have we never looked at the children who were healthy and suddenly and inexplicably regressed into autism? (Similar to the story Donald Trump related.) This was the recommendation of the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former head of NIH, on CBS News in 2008, yet it's never been done.
*Why can't anyone show us a comparable rate of autism among adults? The rate is always based on studies of eight year olds, not eighty year olds. If it's all just "better diagnosing" and "diagnostic substitution," then we should be able to go to adult group homes and nursing homes and find residents who are non-verbal or who have echolalia, in diapers, flapping their hands, and having periodic meltdowns. I want to see lots of adults with classic autism, whose symptoms are easily recognized. We're constantly told the autistic adults are out there. Why can't anyone find them?
*When will autism become a priority in America? The disorder with no known cause, prevention or cure is merely a curiosity to health officials who have never even used the word "crisis" when talking about autism. The current rate of one in every 68 children is based on kids born in 2002. We have no idea how bad things might be today.
*Finally, what are we going to do about the future for an entire generation of young adults with autism aging out of school with no place to go? This disaster will be dumped on the taxpayers in individual states who will have to support this disabled generation for the rest of their lives. (And what does it tell us that parents can't find programs for autistic adult children?)
As I said, I have a lot more questions, but I'd be happy to see these talked about. CNN, Fox, New York Daily News, and all the rest in mainstream media are so quick to attack these candidates for even talking about vaccines. What does that tell us about the power of the pharmaceutical industry over our news?