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Battle for California - Dare to Hope?

HopeBy Kent Heckenlively, Esq.

A strange thing is happening in California.  From all that I can gather, we have a chance at winning.

And by winning, I mean, getting enough signatures by September 25 to put a referendum on the ballot so that the voters of my home state can decide whether the corporate fascists of pharma can force our kids to follow their vaccination schedule or else throw our children out of school. 

I'm not used to having a chance at winning, but what else can I think when I see on Facebook that people are turning in 7,000 signatures at a time to the leader of our movement, Tim Donnelly?  What can I think when I see posts from groups of people at tables in front of churches who report that hundreds of people are signing the petitions at these events?  Yes, I know we need 365,880 signatures, but it seems like a lot of people are working very hard to make this happen.

I have to start first with the leader of our movement, former assemblyman, Tim Donnelly, who actually ran for governor in California.  Our state has an open primary, which means the two top candidates run against each other, presumably, the democrat against a republican.  Donnelly finished third in the open primary.  I never believed we would get such high-profile support for our cause.

And what about fund-raising?  Last week we tried to raise $100,000 for the effort and hit the goal two days early!  Yes, there are additional challenges to come, but so far, so good.  I'm not used to being in this position.  I'm much more used to losing arguments to family and friends who have no idea of the monstrosity of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which created the "Vaccine Court" and although they don't remember any kids with autism when they were young, they engage in some sort of magical thinking which makes them believe these kids were all hidden away in some secret colony that would eventually produce people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

You'll forgive me if I believe that this issue is more important than any other this year.  Yes, I care about ISIS, the economy, and tax-dodging hedge-fund managers, but to me this is the burning house in which we all live.  If we can't put aside our differences to figure out how to stop the fire, none of us are going to have a world remotely resembling one in which we want to live.

Even if you don't live in California, this fight is your fight.  In many ways, California leads the way for the country in social trends.  If we lose here, the fight will be coming to you very soon.  Don't believe you are safe, or that you live among enlightened people who would never embrace California style fascism.  This is our modern Thermopylae, and instead of the brave 300 Spartans, we have more than 4,000 Californians who are waging this fight for all of you.  Help them.

Please continue to support this fight HERE.

Kent Book PlagueKent Heckenlively is a Founding Contributing Editor to Age of Autism and co-author with Dr. Judy Mikovits of Plague: One Scientist's Intrepid Search for the Truth about Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Autism, and Other Diseases.   Visit his website at Plague The Book. You can order the book HERE.

 

Comments

Dave

So now that your campaign has failed, where do you go from here?

Twyla

Some say that if this referendum makes it onto the ballot it is doomed to abysmal failure because pharma companies will spend millions of dollars on propaganda. But if they spend millions (or even billions), I will consider that to be their fine, their penalty. They should have to pay something. At the very least, this should not be easy for pharma and their govt compatriots. Win or lose, let's raise some ruckus.

Tim Lundeen

@Evelyn Pringle -- you need to be a registered voter in california to sign the petition. But you can donate at https://www.gofundme.com/sb277referendum -- it would be much appreciated!

Evelyn Pringle

I don't have the time to read all the posts so maybe I'll be asking a question that somebody answered already. If so - sorry about that.

Can I sign the petition even though I'm from Wisconsin?

cia parker

rtp,
That's not true. Most vaccines really do immunize most people for an uncertain length of time. They really do cause the body to produce antibodies to the weakened or killed disease pathogen injected, and the antibodies really do usually prevent the diseases when they appear in the individual. Vaccines really did stop the polio epidemics in the US in the '50s. Dr. Yazbak said that he saw how many children were getting polio in 1960 in Rhode Island, and how the vaccine campaign started at that time immediately reduced the polio rate to almost zero there and everywhere else. The smallpox vaccine was dangerous and useless, but smallpox became much less dangerous and then disappeared as part of its natural evolution. Same with diphtheria. I'm not sure how effective the vaccine was in preventing diphtheria, not 100%, I know, but it may have been fairly effective (although it started the age of autism).

Even though some of the diseases still appear and are misdiagnosed as other syndromes, it's still true that we DON'T have millions of children a year getting measles (be better for society if we did), we DON'T have ANYONE getting diphtheria or polio. Four years ago we had over 36,000 Americans DIAGNOSED with pertussis. If someone coughs ten coughs per breath for several weeks or even months, babies coughing up sheets of clear, slippery mucus, then it's almost certainly pertussis, it's common now that the acellular vaccine is so ineffective, and there's really no point in anyone's trying to say it's anything else. We both had it in 2001 despite my baby's having had three DTaPs. The old whole-cell vaccine was much more effective in preventing pertussis, but it was dangerous, causing a lot of death and brain damage, and the disease just isn't dangerous any more for anyone but the immunocompromised and a tiny number of the youngest newborns who can't cough up the mucus effectively. Be better to just let measles, mumps, pertussis, and chickenpox come back, deliberately give rubella to ten-year old girls at the end of the school year to give them permanent immunity before they get pregnant, and there would be very few cases of meningitis if people stopped giving the other vaccines, especially the pertussis vaccine. Rabies and distemper are extremely uncommon now in our pets because of the vaccines given (often to excess and often causing cancer and autoimmune disease). The flu and pertussis vaccines are very ineffective, but most of the others work most of the time. Doing great damage in many cases, while the diseases are usually beneficial to get in the long run, but I don't think saying they never work at all in anyone is going to persuade anyone, because it's simply not true.

Gary Ogden

I have 157 signatures in about three weeks, and will easily exceed 200 by the deadline. It is truly refreshing to engage people and gently question their beliefs about something they know little of. My fondest daydream has Pan booted out of office, and "Doctoring," and breakin' rocks at the big house for trading vast sums of campaign sums for increased vaccine sales. No good deed ever goes unpunished, but is the contrary true as well, that evil always receives its proper comeuppance? Hope so.

rtp

I wasn't sure about the referendum but I can see it doing a lot of good if it gets up - even though it will be voted down.

But the vaccination issue is built on a pile of sand. Vaccines don't actually work. Once as few as 5 per cent of people are on board with the idea that vaccines don't actually prevent disease, the whole thing will crumble astonishingly quickly. That is because the only reason people believe in vaccines is because everybody else believes in them.

True, the idea that a tiny little pinprick will keep you protected is a very pretty lie but today, that is more than offset by the dread mums have when they take their children to the pediatrician knowing full well there will be some sort of a reaction. Many of these mums will be quite relieved to find out that that vaccines never eradicated polio or smallpox or diphtheria and every single so-called success story of vaccination is just a systematic renaming.

Measles has been renamed roseola, fifth disease, etc;

Polio has been renamed Guillain Barre, transverse myelitis, coxsackie, MS, cerebral palsy (we actually use more respirators today than we ever did iron lungs by the way it is just that iron lungs were too expensive and dangerous to keep using);

Diphtheria/pertussis were renamed respiratory syncytial virus, croup, strep, tonsillitis etc;

Hepatitis just keeps on running through the alphabet;

Meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis blamed on Hib was renamed meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis blamed on some other bacteria;

Smallpox was renamed monkey pox/severe chicken pox.

cia parker

False scientist,
The bad thing is that you could march and demonstrate, and then what? The next day the law would still be in place and those who wanted to send their children to public school would still have to hold up the gun for another round of vaccine roulette. I think the referendum has been an admirable, a noble effort, I think it will succeed, and then we'll have to mount a big educational campaign to counter that of the vaccine lackeys.

Sun~Rose

Yay Trump, and a smaller cheer for Rand Paul! Thank You guys!

That said, don't underestimate prayer vis a vis curtailing gov't control.

cia parker

What if everyone fighting for the referendum were willing to boycott the schools if it fails? What if all of them refused to pay the school support portion of their property tax?

How could legal challenges succeed? On what grounds could they succeed? Since the courts would find that unvaxed children put others at risk of contracting VPDs, there you go, case closed. Jacobson and his son had ALREADY had severe reactions to the smallpox vaccine, and the Supreme Court STILL said that he was in violation of the law and would be fined if he refused to damage his son again. Dorit's favorite case. Public health and the right of the masses to maintain immune systems virgin and untried by grappling with actual disease, just totally screwed up by vaccines, would certainly win the day. And yes, while vaxes often fail and even vaxed kids can often transmit the diseases, it's also true that unvaxed kids CAN catch any of them and transmit them (in the days before they get permanent immunity).

False scientists...

I think it is completely naive to think the referendum will work. We need a March, protest, demonstration or something.

Taximom5

John Gilmore and Bayeareamom, I think you guys are right.

If the referendum passes and it goes to a vote, we KNOW that pharma will manufacture an outbreak of SOMETHING--polio, diphtheria, or Ebola would be my guess, or else whatever new diseases they're concocting for the vaccines of 2020--sending everyone into a panic, just before the actual vote.

Look back in history. Whenever it look like people started to question authority too much, and even fight back, what would happen?

That's what we're going to have to deal with.

Jeannette Bishop

"SB277 Referendum: Fighting for Freedom (against Gov't Coercion)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g787AXOFssY

cia parker

Twyla,
You're right, thank you for giving a more balanced account of the opinions expressed last night. All the mainstream media are in an uproar that THREE potential presidential candidates have said that the vaccines can be dangerous, there shouldn't be so many given so closely together, and that parents should have to final choice. This is where public opinion is going, and whoever runs for president is going to have to take a definite side: permit forced vaccination or oppose it. If they permit it, they need to know that they will lose millions of votes right there, and I frankly don't give a damn about any of the other issues compared to this one. Bernie Sanders just sent me something about minimum wage, but he supports vaccination, so nothing else matters to me, don't care about minimum wage compared to ruining the lives of millions of children.

Bob Moffitt

As it stands today .. our most precious resource .. our children .. are the generation at greatest risk .. the threat of denying them their right to attend a public school and day care if their parents decide not to vaccinate them.

Unfortunately .. there are too many adults .. a clear majority of the voting population .. that do not have children young enough to be vaccinated with today's obviously bloated schedule .. think HEP B within hours of birth.

To all those adults who believe vaccinations are the miracles they were when they were kids themselves .. or their own kids now adults themselves .. the powers that be .. meaning the CDC .. will soon be showing up at YOUR door or place of employment .. as the CDC has targeted 2020 as the year when ADULTS .. just as toddlers today .. will be required to vaccinate as recommended and approved by the CDC.

As I understand it .. there are a total of 72 vaccines recommended for adults between the ages of 19 and 65 .. including mandatory annual flu vaccines ... each and every year.

AND THE BAND PLAYS ON .. AND .. ON .....

@Twyla

At RI they are trying to ignore that Carson actually said a lot of Peds are recognizing that too many shots are given.

Bayareamom

"...My biggest concern right now is about a corrupted signature counting process killing the referendum effort...but even then the effort will have expanded awareness of the bill/law and vaccine concerns. IMO the vaccine industry can only lose ground at this point fighting a referendum effort..."

Quite honestly, I don't think that effort to kill the referendum (from what I understand) is huge enough to dramatically alter the desired goal. They'll either have the votes in the end, or they won't.

Tim Donnelly appeared on the media just a couple of days ago and stated outright that the referendum effort still needs far more PAID petition takers than they have at the moment. I believe he stated they now have 700 paid volunteers to take petitions, but that they need around 2,000 in total in order to garner enough validated signatures.

So it does look as though the referendum is hurting for signatures, something of which I was concerned with when I heard about the initial efforts.

Question: California has fewer than 5% of its residents who use their exemptions (not quite sure what the stated percentage actually is, but it's somewhat lower than 5%).

So let's just stick with 5%.

How does this percentage then TURN INTO THE MAJORITY VOTE NEEDED TO OVERTURN THIS LAW ON THAT BALLOT? You will have to have 51% of the votes to repeal this law on that ballot.

EVEN if you garner a slight percentage of voters who do NOT use their exemptions, but believe in freedom to choose, it's STILL not going to be enough of a percentage to garner that much needed 51% of the final vote.

Lest we forget, if this referendum succeeds and makes the ballot, that's when the REAL dirty tricks begin. Believe me, big pharma is just waiting on the sidelines, ready and willing to fire at will and give it all they've got, to defeat that initiative.

It's going to take a LOT of $$ for our side to even come close to defeating big pharma's efforts in the PR department, should this referendum make the ballot. So unless some of the wealthier of freedom loving, non-vaccinating individuals in our camp contribute the millions it is going to cost to bring this campaign to the masses, it's not even going to be close.

On top of the financial issues, you truly have a mindset here in CA that big government is good, they're here to serve us, vaccines are good and if a few in the minority don't want to vaccinate and keep our kids safe and healthy...

...then leave California. We don't want you out here.

THAT is, unfortunately, the mindset of the many out here in California, I am sad to say.

I hope to God I am wrong about all of this and that I will have to issue a huge mea culpa when all is said and finished. REALLY. And I will be more than happy to do so, should this repeal succeed.

SB277 was a rigged vote...from the beginning. Anyone who doesn't see this is simply in denial. What sickened me to my core was in viewing ALL the activists' efforts to defeat this bill, and nothing, nothing, nothing was going to stop this train wreck from happening.

You folks KNOW how passionate I am about this issue, but I had a very rude awakening when I was the Director. Quite frankly, after I disengaged from my Directorship, I should have realized this was coming. But I honestly did NOT see this train wreck coming, and just a few years later after I stepped down.

Sherri Tenpenny speaks about the efforts of big pharma and the fact that this was all planned from the get go, many years back. The aim of big pharma and its minions' agenda is to have all mandates in place, for infants, children and adults, by 2020.

They HAD to accomplish this one step at a time. They knew they had to take down California, the biggest state, in order to get the ball rolling.

And they did. To ME, the only way to stop this train wreck from happening to all other states, is to have a HUGE rally cry from United States citizens. My vote is still with this rally that is going to take place next month. That march planned for next month in D.C. and in Georgia just may garner the national attention this issue so richly deserves.

Jeannette Bishop

I'm not sure I'm aiming for redress, more like making informed consent a closer reality, but in my view the least captured avenue of "redress" we have is the public, and I hope the referendum, if nothing else, establishes a reason for a much needed public discussion sustained for the year or longer (not to mention the law will be delayed for those entering school this year and next by a successful signature gathering effort). Though I wouldn't be surprised if, outside of efforts to divide those opposed to SB277, there isn't much effort to engage in public di$cu$$ion promoting SB277 on the part of proponents until maybe a few days before the vote (or we'll get another well-timed dangerous measles-like outbreak) and there will be plausibility to claim a last minute surge of support before the vote (which count we don't currently have any way to monitor for validity).

My biggest concern right now is about a corrupted signature counting process killing the referendum effort...but even then the effort will have expanded awareness of the bill/law and vaccine concerns. IMO the vaccine industry can only lose ground at this point fighting a referendum effort.

Officially, the courts aren't supposed to be swayed by public opinion...they're supposed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority ... but there will likely be much effort behind the scenes to stack the deck against any legal challenge to the vaccine agenda, won't there? (didn't we see this with Dr. Wakefield's suit?)... too much obvious machination might only be checked by a public watchful, ready to stop upholding and participating in a corrupt system IMO...

Bayareamom

"I am afraid that the outcome of "winning" and getting the proposition to repeal SB277 on the ballot will be a landslide victory for pharma, if there is a vote. The most important factor in winning referenda in California is how much money the opposing sides have. Our side will spend billions on snake oil but begrudges spending pennies on political action. The other side will have an unlimited amount of money to fight the referendum..."


Yes. Rather unfortunately, these are my concerns as well. On the other hand, do I have any sure fire remedies re the repeal of this law? No.

I don't, but I am enormously concerned that any vote, should this make the ballot, will be an enormous victory for big pharma. I wish I didn't feel this way and I do wish I could feel more positive regarding the referendum issue. But after my tenure as the Director for CA, and after having spoken to many parents and professionals in the medical community here in CA, I can come to no other conclusion.

"...The largest autism group in the state that holds that autism is caused by vaccines, did nothing about these bills or SB277. When people woke up with SB277 it was too little, too late. Now we have this ill conceived referendum moving forward that will eventually hand pharma an enormous victory. California is a case study for ever other state in what not to do politically and organizationally."


Again, I completely agree (sadly).

Tim Lundeen

My goal is to have healthier children in the United States, because right now they are very sick. Reducing and stretching out the vaccination schedule is a necessary step. So the question is, will getting the referendum for SB277 on the ballot help or hurt this goal?

There will be a lot of money spent to defeat the referendum, for sure. But there is research showing that the more pro-vaccination advertising, the more concerned people are about it. And because it will be on the news and people will be talking about it, and we have some very effective spokespeople and grass-roots outreach channels, we will reach a lot more people that we can today.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the referendum lose, and our opposition to SB277 move to the courts. But I believe the discussion about the risks of vaccination will help move us towards the larger goal. I also expect it to save lives, because some parents will become aware of the issues, and once aware will reduce the vaccination schedule for their kids.

I've been collecting signatures and contributing cash, and I hope we make it on the ballot!

Twyla

At the presidential debate, Carson also said:

"Vaccines are very important. Certain ones. The ones that would prevent death or crippling.
There are others, there are a multitude of vaccines which probably don't fit in that category, and there should be some discretion in those cases. But, you know, a lot of this is -- is -- is pushed by big government. And I think that's one of the things that people so vehemently want to get rid of, big government…

"But it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time. And a lot of pediatricians now recognize that, and, I think, are cutting down on the number and the proximity in which those are done, and I think that's appropriate."

That is a breakthrough, in the context of many insisting that all vaccines on the CDC schedule are totally necessary and that the schedule should not be altered, and that ALL pediatricians agree except for a very very small lunatic fringe.

Trump also said:

"Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

"I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

"Same exact amount, but you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump -- I mean, it looks just like it's meant for a horse, not for a child, and we've had so many instances, people that work for me.

"Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.

"I only say it's not -- I'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time, same amount."

"I think you're going to see a big impact on autism."

That is a breakthrough too. A presidential candidate saying in a nationwide televised debate that sometimes vaccines do cause autism, that there has been a huge increase in autism, that modifying the vaccine schedule would result in less autism. Yes, he does not go further, but still he acknowledges the problem.

And Rand Paul spoke up for the right to make choices:

"I ought to have the right to spread out my vaccines out a little bit at the very least."

Not a sweeping denunciation of mandates or of vaccination in general, but still very significant.

cia parker

Twyla,
I agree with you. Tim Donnelly's referendum has been phenomenally successful and I'm sure it's going to succeed. As for how the vote will turn out, I don't know. I think there are tens of thousands of Californians passionate about either vaccine injury or parental choice, and I think they will out turn out to vote. I'm pretty sure that they will be well aware that Pan and Big Pharma will do their best to cheat, and I hope they can prevent them from doing so. The good thing (only from this standpoint) is that EVERYONE now has seen children with autism and other kinds of severe vaccine injury, and growing numbers no longer believe the lying reassurances of the vaccine cartel.

cia parker

George,
It was brought up. Ben Carson said that vaccines are the best thing that ever happened and that there is NO evidence that they cause autism. Ostrich. Ron Paul said that vaccines are great, but he thinks it should be up to parental choice and that they should spread them out more. Trump said vaccines are great, but that they can cause autism. He thinks if the doses were reduced and they were spread out, that that would solve the problem.

Twyla

We could assume that the referendum would fail. We could simply accept SB277. Or we could fight in every way possible. If the referendum makes it to the ballot, there will need to be both a grassroots campaign and a well funded PR campaign. To simply give up would not be beneficial. If nothing else, this keeps these issues in the public eye. If the referendum loses, we're no worse off than before. If it passes, that would be amazing. As more and more people get more and more vaccines, there are more vaccine injuries occurring and a growing population of angry parents and consumers. By forcing so many vaccines, our health authorities are doing PR for the referendum.

George stevens

No mention of the vaccine autism issue brought up In the presidential debate last night?

Sophie Scholl

John Gilmore I can see where are you are coming from ?
Is there any other choice ? how else could sb277 be reversed ?

Surely de-selecting Pan for what he has done will be a great victory ?

John Gilmore

I am afraid that the outcome of "winning" and getting the proposition to repeal SB277 on the ballot will be a landslide victory for pharma, if there is a vote. The most important factor in winning referenda in California is how much money the opposing sides have. Our side will spend billions on snake oil but begrudges spending pennies on political action. The other side will have an unlimited amount of money to fight the referendum. More than $70 million was spent on Prop 8 a few years ago. The unfolding disaster in California is what happens when people refuse to realize that everything about autism and vaccine injury is political, and refuse to participate actively in politics. Californians were complacent with AB499 and AB2109, a small dedicated group of activists fought those bills while the vast majority who opposed these bills did nothing. The largest autism group in the state that holds that autism is caused by vaccines, did nothing about these bills or SB277. When people woke up with SB277 it was too little, too late. Now we have this ill conceived referendum moving forward that will eventually hand pharma an enormous victory. California is a case study for ever other state in what not to do politically and organizationally.

Sophie Scholl

Reminder to all what is at stake .

http://www.wnho.net/vaccine_coverup.htm
Conclusions
This top secret meeting was held to discuss a study done by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten and his co-workers using Vaccine Safety Datalink data as a project collaboration between the CDC's National Immunization Program (NIP) and four HMOs. The study examined the records of 110,000 children. Within the limits of the data, they did a very through study and found the following:
1. Exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines at one month was associated significantly with the misery and unhappiness disorder that was dose related. That is, the higher the child's exposure to thimerosal the higher the incidence of the disorder. This disorder is characterized by a baby that cries uncontrollably and is fretful more so than that see in normal babies.
2. Found a nearly significant increased risk of ADD with 12.5ug exposure at one month.
3. With exposure at 3 months, they found an increasing risk of neurodevelopmental disorders with increasing exposure to thimerosal. This was statistically significant. This included speech disorders.

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