Denise,

Exactly. It IS happening here.

Linda1 (in response to Eindeker)-"This woman was real but she died of pneumonia from some other cause and officials NEED a measles death right about now."

This is almost identical to the case of Welshman Gareth Colfer-Williams, near the end of a much hyped Welsh measles so called outbreak Jan-May 2013. He was a severe asthmatic, alcoholic, and was also immune suppressed. It was stated he died from measles. The Welsh health authorities were DESPERATE to report a measles death. From my earlier AoA posts concerning the Welsh measles 'outbreak':-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/02/measles-epidemic-swansea-teenagers-targeted-vaccinations
Extract:-
"The headline total for measles across Wales is now at 1,170 cases. The number of laboratory confirmed cases in the outbreak stands at 370 out of a total of 850 samples tested.
Dr Marion Lyons, PHW director of health protection, said: "The efforts to vaccinate susceptible young people children across Wales have been excellent, with non-routine vaccinations being given in their thousands by GPs, in schools and in emergency drop-in clinics.
"This undoubtedly will have reduced the length and severity of the outbreak, but the number of unvaccinated people in the hardest-hit age group remains a cause for concern.
"Our message is clear – the MMR vaccine is safe and it works, and there is no reason why children not vaccinated in the late 1990s because of fears about the safety of the vaccine should not be immunised now.
"Those not vaccinated are highly likely to catch measles, which is highly contagious. It is just a matter of time before a child is left with serious and permanent complications such as eye disorders, deafness or brain damage, or dies."

AoA comment 19-01-15
"Gareth Colfer-Williams was 25 years old when he died. His birth coincided with the introduction of MMR vaccine into the UK child vaccination schedule in 1988. However, prior to this, the single measles vaccine had been in use for 20 years in the UK.

Gareth's mum recalls her son was vaccinated against measles in the UK when he was a child. In the UK, ALL babies were routinely administered a measles vaccination post 1968. In the UK, child vaccines are not mandatory, but Gareth's Mum apparently consented to all Gareth's child vaccinations. At that time there were no public concerns about single Measles or MMR vaccine.

The Welsh Health press release stated Gareth had not received MMR vaccine. There were so many lies coming out of Wales at that time, it's impossible to believe anything they say, but in 1989, when Gareth was due his measles vaccination, BOTH single measles and MMR vaccines were available as a choice. Also many UK health authorities, used up previous vaccine stocks before ordering new ones. I'm sure Gareth's Mum's recall is far more reliable than anything put out by the Welsh Health authorities.

At Gareth's Inquest, It was stated by a Welsh Health person, Gareth had measles at the time of death. The Coroner did not ask for a laboratory confirmation. Maybe he should have, in view of all the notified Welsh measles cases, during this outbreak, which later turned out to NOT be measles, since only 1 in 5 notified measles cases were laboratory confirmed.

Gareth had previously spent a week in hospital, being treated for severe asthma. Gareth's mum said he had been unwell for a week, before she (quote), “took him to the doctors the day before he died and he could barely stand” she said.
“But he didn’t have any rash on his arms so the three GPs who had a look at him all gave him a prescription of paracetamol."
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/heartbroken-family-pay-tribute-suspected-2820631

If there was no rash, then there was no measles!! But this young man was plainly desperately ill with pneumonia, and should have been admitted to hospital as an emergency case. Asthma treatment will have left Gareth immune suppressed. If he DID have measles, he almost certainly contracted it during his previous hospital stay."

Gareth's case has been recorded on official surveillance statistics as a 2013 measles death, although his pneumonia was almost certainly a consequence of his being immune suppressed. Those same stats record 200 'confirmed' Welsh measles cases during April 2013, previously in single figures, another 50 or so cases in May - very suspicious, since these were apparently admitted to have not all been lab confirmed.

As Linda1 states, immune compromised persons are advised to stay away from places where they might pick up infections. Both Gareth and this unnamed US woman were previously vaccinated against measles. It's ridiculous to insist on vaccinating EVERYONE against measles, to protect a few immune compromised persons. In particular, the Disney measles outbreak (and the UK outbreaks) are admitted to have been caused by overseas visitors! Also, live vaccines are known to 'shed' attenuated viruses, which immune compromised persons are vulnerable to.

However the origin of her infection was a group of local people who were not vaccinated against measles, she was not diagnosed until post mortem as she did not show the typical rash

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If she didn't show signs of measles while alive, then what would have triggered health officials to go looking for it post mortem???

Sounds more to me like you're making it up as you go along. As usual.

Barbaraj there was one case in france genotype d4 per cdc eid journal mar 2012. But the journal noted:"pulmonary superinfection with unidentified pathogens could not be ruled out."
If this case is legit it would be interesting to know if they found the measles in her gut and if she was being treated for crohns. Since there are so few details it seems like there is something being hidden. Did a low grade measles infection cause her autoimmune disease? How long ago was her vaccination.
Also acute respiratory distress can be associated with lyme, erlichiosis, tularemia, anaplasmosis, rocky mountain spotted fever. Was she tested?

Bayareamom,

I understand what you're saying. I think going forward that the indoctrination is going to be much different, much more intense, much more focused on the end goal of thoughtless compliance and severing of the parent-child relationship while diminishing/challenging parental authority. Whether people can avoid the government schools or not, I have a feeling that enrolling them in public school will be like enrolling them in Hitler Youth. When kids start out at age 5 or even before, it is impossible for them not to be affected by 7 day a week indoctrination that continues throughout their entire childhood. Already, California's law allows schools to vaccinate children without parental knowledge or consent. They are going deeper and deeper into fascism. The children will be taught their version of civics.

There's a study in children after the removal of thimerosal? Yes, of course, but the children involved in the studies weren't born after thimerosal vaccines' availiblity. Thimerosal was removed from the vaccine manufacturing process in 2002, not from the pediatricians offices .This is one of the propagated lies that infuriates me, I had a child who received full doses in each vaccine in 2002!!So those that are ignorant of the truth share this deceitful child harming information!!!
Another lie that raises my bp. The ethyl mercury in Thimerosal
leaves the blood faster, leaves the brain faster than methlymercury. They hired the expert "Burbacher to complete the study, he found that the the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. No matter, they twisted this information every which way ,and LIED. He has since put together a youtube presentation showing the facts and how they twisted and lied in effort to dilute these FACTS. Yet, they continue with these people who dare not address the real science, because it tells the story of the how and the why of so many children having neurological disabilities among the vaccinated. Then they lied about the Amish, in an unvaccinated group born in the late nineties, there was NO autism. They tell us there was. Lies don't live forever, yet while they persist they are dangerous.

Eindecker,

Bullshit. The article says the unnamed woman who they don't want to give the age for, died sometime in the spring. In the spring. This is now July. Did they just now do the autopsy? Complete bullshit.

You say she would be alive when they say she couldn't mount an immune response to any infection. If she was a real person, which I doubt, what the hell was she doing hanging out at a community center with a severely suppressed immune system? Clearly, if she was real, this is a woman who had little chance of survival considering that she was taking dangerous immune suppressive drugs, and with her risky behavior of going out in public places where there are a lot more pathogens that could kill her than just measles. Or, this woman was real but she died of pneumonia from some other cause and officials NEED a measles death right about now. Unfortunately, this supposedly happened back in "the spring". Not a credible story.

The other thing...about thimerosol and autism rates. There are many other ingredients in vaccines and vaccine effects on the human body and immune system that can be or are destructive. There was a talk by Lawrence Palevsky that I saw on Youtube. I thought it was at Autism One but I may be mistaken. It might have been another venue because I can't find it now. But Dr. Palevsky explained specifically how other ingredients that he named could cause disease. But back to thimerosol, the trace amounts that are admittedly in many childhood vaccines are still amounts that are more than what is allowed in drinking water. The thimerosol was not removed, it was decreased to levels that still could cause brain damage. When I was a child regulators thought a trace amount of lead would be safe to be exposed to, then at some point they came to the conclusion that, in fact, there is no safe amount of exposure. You and I have had this exact same discussion before, so I won't waste any more of anyone's time going any further.

@Linda1,

Speaking as a parent who once homeschooled our son, I don't think the question is whether parents WANT their children to attend public OR private school.

Some parents simply do not have the means to homeschool; many homes are single parent homes; some homes NEED two incomes just to make ends meet out here.

Additionally, many children are on IEP programs and parents of many of these kids simply do not have the ability, nor the skills to teach these kids, given the learning disabilities involved.

Many of these kids on IEP programs desperately need the socialization that comes with putting them in a mainstream classroom setting. In short, there are many reasons some families just cannot feasibly provide a homeschool program for their children.

These parents OF COURSE understand the issues with either a public OR a private school situation, but those issues become secondary because other options such as homeschooling just aren't feasible.

My husband and I made sure Ryan understood our issues with his public education; BELIEVE ME that child was well versed with some of the finer nuances of a public school curriculum versus our own deeply held personal philosophies; learning to utilize critical thinking skills and learning to think outside the box were things we taught our son to do here at home. Ryan thus had a real heads up regarding some of these issues once he was placed back into a public school education.

We made sure to interact with Ryan's teachers as often as necessary to ensure his academic needs were being met. I kept in constant communication with all of Ryan's teachers and if there were issues, which there were, we stayed on top of them and intervened when necessary when things REALLY became an issue. We became well versed with disability rights law and how best to protect our son when things really got out of hand at one point.

When we found our son had been placed UNBEKNOWNST TO US into a special ed program with children who were not verbal and could barely function -- when our son was a completely normal child who simply had learning issues - I PULLED HIM OUT OF SCHOOL BEFORE HE WENT INTO THAT CLASSROOM. The district tried threatening me with their attorney, but I knew what our son's rights were and what ours were as his parents, so I held steadfast.

Ultimately, we were able to maintain resolution to our issues with our district. It wasn't easy, but in the end, we realized that Ryan's needs were far better met in the public school system than with what could have been provided him in a homeschool program. He ended up doing beautifully, both academically and socially, but we certainly had our struggles in between.

We went the private school route at one point, as well, and it simply didn't work. The school was poorly run and ultimately went under.

Ultimately, the concerns and philosophies any family holds close to its vest needs to be something every parent needs to share with his/her children. Being upfront and frank with your kids is VITAL.

As long as your children understand the propaganda that is generated in our school system, the better apt they will be in navigating the waters and thus, they'll be better able to recognize it for what it is when they're confronted with it.

Ryan knew full well what to expect when he entered back into the public school system. NOTHING surprised him because he knew what to expect.

It's pretty obvious that blackmail and threats are being used. Still if people refuse to cooperate and keep legally fighting this bill we may stop the madness.

Greyone,
Credit for that find goes to the indefatigable true public health advocate Laura Hayes.

There has been ZERO effect on ASD rates (in Scotland at least) with the removal of Thiomersal from UK vaccines, these are the data he gave:
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Thimerosal has been removed from UK vaccines, and ASD rates among vaccinated children has continued to skyrocket???

So what you're telling us then , is that thimerosal isn't the only way that vaccine cause ASD disorders.

Some people here have been trying to make that point for a long time. Thank you Eindeker, for coming out to support them !

When Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in the UK in September 2004 the Government made only one statement they said "a safe vaccine has been made safer". There was a clear cut off point as the vaccines were replaced at 1st September with Thimerosal free vaccines.

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The only thing you really know for sure Tony, is that the replacement vaccines had Thimerosal was removed from their labels.

@ Tony Bateson
Of course they have, John Stone contributed on this site about Scottish ASD statistics http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/05/the-message-from-scotland-autism-up-in-schools-136-times-in-16-years-and-accelerating.html
There has been ZERO effect on ASD rates (in Scotland at least) with the removal of Thiomersal from UK vaccines, these are the data he gave:

Year Total number of pupils Number of pupils with an ASD
1998------758,414-------------------820
1999------755,081-------------------959
2000------751,243-------------------1,245
2001------745,063-------------------1,515
2002------738,597-------------------2,204
2003------732,122-------------------2,663
2004------723,554-------------------3,090
2005------713,240-------------------3,484
2006------702,737-------------------2,443
2007------692,215-------------------3,919
2008------681,573-------------------4,900
2009------676,740-------------------5,254
2010------673,133-------------------6,506
2011------670,511-------------------7,801
2012------671,218-------------------8,650
2013------673,530-------------------9,946

(Apologies for Table formatting)
The latest information I have seen re the recent US measles death is that the young woman who died had been vaccinated but was immune suppressed, so she could not give a response to the measles infection.
However the origin of her infection was a group of local people who were not vaccinated against measles, she was not diagnosed until post mortem as she did not show the typical rash , possibly because of the immune-suppression, and Linda1 there is conspiracy, it wasn't MMR strain measles it was just an vulnerable woman who had the misfortune to be close to unvaccinated people who contracted and spread WT measles, simple as that

Shultz et-al are treated like mushroooms they are, fed shit & kept in the dark.

But at the end of the day their mushroom like state is voluntary they can come blinking into the light any time they choose.

MMR RIP

"Dammit" Orac had to post about the one measles death. He is running positively overtime on the vaccine issue and "Denise Walter" couldn't get enough info about poor Dr. Bradstreet's death which was suspicious in the extreme. She was like some dog in heat. What is increasingly clear is there is no tear shed for a victim, even the death of someone due to vaccines. These people are selective and sick, cherry picking which death to be more maudlin over.