Jewish Folks,

I want to add that the Hebrew Scriptures are regarded as so mysterious that some scholars devote literally an entire lifetime studying the meaning of just one line of Scripture. So let's not put forth the false pretense that rabbinical scholars have a complete understanding, not only of the science of vaccination, but of the spiritual and mystical realm and our place and role in it.

Jewish Folks,
Thank you for the links and for your point of view. My position is that while according to Jewish thought, our bodies do not belong to us but to G-d, our bodies also do not belong to the United States Government or Governor Jerry Brown, or any other politician or political entity, even those governing in the modern state of Israel, even on the advice of modern rabbis, who are themselves teachers among men, but "just" men, not G-d. Nor do our bodies belong to medical physicians or scientists or ethicists, also mortal men and women. Our bodies are not ours to defile. I strongly believe from the depths of my Jewish consciousness and spirit, that vaccines defile the body. I also believe that G-d has brought me to this understanding and conviction. Even if Jewish teaching says that vaccines are beneficial to the community, if I know for a fact differently, I have a moral and spiritual obligation to do what I know to be right.

When I read your quote from Rabbi Breitowitz that the body is, "...to be protected and preserved until such time as He chooses to reclaim it," I think of all the children that I know of, all the adults, who have been severely injured or killed by vaccines, including my own child. I think of the $3 billion that the U.S. Government has paid out to the victims of vaccines. How is that protecting and preserving the body? It isn't - at all - just the opposite. There are people here struggling to get through each day trying to cope with and heal the wounds of vaccination that have been inflicted upon their families, children in severe pain going without proper medical care because the medical community has taken the stance that vaccine injuries are to be denied and hidden, intellectual ability compromised, siblings going without attention, parental careers and dreams lost, divorces from the strain, social isolation and desperation, financial bankruptcy. So, I agree with Rabbi Breitowitz that the body must be protected, but I KNOW that it must be protected FROM vaccines, not BY them.

I can't tell you what every rabbi thinks. But based on the information that is now widely available and the growing numbers of injured everywhere, there must be rabbis who understand the dark side of vaccination. There must be. And while not an ordained rabbi, Dr. Lawrence Palevsky, who I presume is a Jew (please forgive if I am wrong), is one of many physicians who can explain how vaccines are harmful and more dangerous than the diseases they are given to theoretically prevent. Modern rabbis, dealing with the complicated issue of vaccination, would be wise to listen to this learned man.

Linda1, you have raised a number of issues. I will try to lay the groundwork and work in the specific comments.

The original question was whether vaccinations were kosher. As I stated, kashrut is a set of dietary laws. Things that are injected are not food. This is explained well by Rabbi David Solomon:

http://www.yeshiva.co/ask/?id=10

This also touches upon John Stone's observation that "Jewish law would in principle permit the use of non-kosher ingredients in medicines," but those are oral medications.

Kashrut is a subset of halachic law; as you noted, "surely there would be disagreement." (I will try to return to the rest later.) In the case of the wider subject, there is indeed disagreement among the poskim, but this is mainly over whether vaccination is obligatory (a mitzvah aseh) or only strongly to be encouraged.

This represents a technical analysis, part of which is about assessing comparative risks. There are many introductory discussions available, and one will find the much the same mitzvot in all, but Rabbi Breitowitz from Ohr Somayach raises one very important point:

"In effect, the Torah teaches us that our bodies are not our own property but belong to G-d to be used in His service and to be protected and preserved until such time as He chooses to reclaim it. This is in sharp contrast to modern medical ethics and political theory which posit autonomy and self-determination as supreme values, and enshrine the attitude that 'it is my body and I can do with it what I will'...." (http://ohr.edu/5503)

This is the obligation to klal Yisrael.

Rav Aviner also explains:

"We greatly value independent, critical thinking, but you also need a bit of common sense and humility. It’s very nice that we take an interest in medicine, but it’s not a normal situation for our country to have five million physicians and five million economists, five million prime ministers and five million rabbis and five million psychologists."
(http://www.ravaviner.com/2009/12/vaccinating-against-swine-flu.html)

If you wish a detailed analysis, Rabbi Asher Bush provides one here:

http://www.hakirah.org/Vol13Bush.pdf

"[T]here is no validity to any suggestion that vaccinations are contrary to Jewish beliefs or practices."

I hope that these are sufficient resources to begin to understand the issue. I have a few additional observations regarding scattered comments:

"When they won't mix the types of threads in their clothes because they believe that there is a scriptural commandment not to mix species...."

Shatnez is a chok; it can be rationalized into a mishpat, but this has nothing to do with species.

"It would be interesting to learn the content of their discussions on vaccination to see exactly what they understand about the drugs and about the impact on the human body."

Judaism is hardly a secret society! Here is the vaccine schedule in Eretz Yisrael:

http://www.health.gov.il/PublishingImages/hisunim-children-3_en.jpg

You would suggest that it's a matter of "what they understand"?!

"Surely there would be disagreement among sects, especially the ultr-orthodox, and among rabbinical scholars, especially if aware of what vaccination really entails."

Returning near to where I started, one might wish to bear in mind that "ultra-Orthodox" can be taken as a slur. "Sects" may even be more problematic.

Nonetheless, surely the Lubavitcher Rebbe qualifies! http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29712

Or the haredi chief rabbis Yosef and Lao?

http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Chief-rabbis-call-on-public-to-have-children-vaccinated-323808

It is certainly possible to pick out remarks by Rav Kamenetzky, who comes up in the article by Rabbi Bush yet has made much more inflammatory comments since, but it is very difficult to place these into any sort of meaningful context without greater understanding: here one would have to look to R' Kanievsky, etc.

But these are details. I would encourage you to study further and most certainly to be wary of such generalizations!

So the Washington woman had no rash, different strain from the Disney one and she may have had an MMR anyhow. Wonder if she was near anyone who'd had the live vaccine? Oh mainstream will never be allowed to ask that even.

Well they say there is no peanut oil in vaccines but I have seen patents (trade secret patents) where peanut oil or ground nuts are used in the culture medium. Smoke and mirrors always smoke and mirrors like with the words trace or minor or neuroinammation doesn't equal autism...don't bother answering because I wouldn't waste time with the likes of you.

Yes someone brought up the point of exchange students as well as tourists. Are they going to be forcing them to have every. single. shot? Because otherwise their whole stupid plan makes no sense and it could probably be challenged on that alone.

John,
When they won't mix the types of threads in their clothes because they believe that there is a scriptural commandment not to mix species, how could they agree with injecting parts of diseased and other animal tissues into babies? It would be interesting to learn the content of their discussions on vaccination to see exactly what they understand about the drugs and about the impact on the human body.

John,
Surely there would be disagreement among sects, especially the ultr-orthodox, and among rabbinical scholars, especially if aware of what vaccination really entails.

pharmaceutical companies are very aware of the cultural sensitivities of the Jewish & Muslim communities and go to great lengths NOT to use material of porcine origin, including, for example the hydrolysed protein (gelatin) capsules commonly used in many medicines.

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Wait a minute

Are you actually saying that pharmaceutical companies go to great lengths to exclude materials of a "culturally" sensitive origin.

Yet they have no apparent issues with ingredients like mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, antifreeze, animal blood, animal organ tissues, animal viruses, mycoplasma......

Jewish Folks,

"The pig, because it divides the hoof but does not chew the cud, it is unclean for you. You shall not eat any of their flesh nor touch their carcasses."

In ancient times they didn't inject animal cells into the body. But if it isn't kosher to touch it, it wouldn't be kosher to inject it either.

Dear Shelley
"Pig Products from vaccines" please provide any evidence showing "pig products" are contained in vaccines; pharmaceutical companies are very aware of the cultural sensitivities of the Jewish & Muslim communities and go to great lengths NOT to use material of porcine origin, including, for example the hydrolysed protein (gelatin) capsules commonly used in many medicines.

If a scientist publically makes comments to suade people to vaccinate... and the scientist is giving bum info, is there a negligence suit that can be thrown at them? Experts should be required to speak the truth.

My guess is that the vaccine exemption given by the medical community will be comparable to those number of people that win in vaccine court, (far and few between) about 3,000 people over 30 years because they don't want many non-vaccinated people for various (obvious) reasons, when they are done there really won't be any medical exemptions, it's just a game, as was the vaccine court, making people think they had an option, in reality, there is no option.

Muslims and Jewish Folks had a religious right not to have their children shot with Pig Products from vaccines but California took away that Religious Freedom and shot down any theory of Democracy. Science without conscience

Just sent this to my email group, and thought I'd share with my AoA family, too.

As we wake up to our first full day living in Fascist California, many parents are asking themselves what they are going to do. Some of the choices I have been hearing:

1. Find a doctor to write a Medical Exemption. (If you do, please be willing to pay extra, as this doctor will need to start a legal defense fund for himself, b/c he will be investigated and/or fired at some point soon for issuing MEs).

2. Cave and vaccinate. OH MY GOODNESS! I cannot even believe that I am hearing this, and believe me, I am. I have no words for the parent (well, I do, but am choosing not to print them here) who has learned enough to know how dangerous, ineffective, and unnecessary vaccines are, not to mention the vast corruption behind them from manufacture to mandate, but who would then vaccinate their child so they can fill in the blank here. I strongly predict that those parents will live to regret that decision if they make it, as all vaccines cause some level of damage, as they will most likely find out if they are willing to see and acknowledge the evidence that will manifest itself. If they thought the options of home-schooling, leaving the state, and/or fighting this travesty legally were daunting, inconvenient, expensive, and unpleasant, just wait until they are living with the lifelong effects and ravages of vaccine injury in their families. The other choices pale in comparison.

3. Leave the state. (Not a bad choice, but to where is the question? This medical fascism is spreading across our country, and globally...that is the frightening state of things...and why we must continue to educate others, and continue to do battle. It is a life-or-death fight in the most literal sense of the saying.)

I am attaching an open letter to legislators which I have sent out previously. It asks the question: Who shouldn't receive a Medical Exemption for vaccination? My answer: everyone should receive one for every vaccine! I suggest taking it to your next doctor appointment should you be making one to request a Medical Exemption for your child. (Here is the AoA link for it: http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/05/laura-hayes-open-letter-to-ca-legislators-and-governor-jerry-brown-re-sb277.html)

Lastly, some other thoughts I have had and plans I might implement if I still had school-aged children:

1. Write my own Religious Exemption including the text of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, make a copy of my paid property tax bill, and see if one can ascertain a print-out of one's status with the police department (i.e. proof of the fact that you don't have a rap sheet, and that you are to legally be considered a fit parent in the absence of evidence to the contrary). I would then take those 3 items to my child's public school and enroll him/her in the typical fashion. If denied enrollment, I would then show up on the first day of school, with the same documents, and my child, and make them force us to leave if public school attendance is denied (be sure to have someone filming and your attorney present).

2. Hire an attorney to fight for your child's Constitutional right to a "free" public education (remember, you're paying for it via property taxes and other taxes).

3. If you prefer your child to attend a private school, speak with the administrator to see if they are willing to admit those who wish to submit PBEs and REs, at the risk of being investigated by the state. We must hope that there are school administrators (in addition to private school owners and boards of directors) who are willing to be investigated/harassed/fined/closed by the state, but who would then sue the state of CA and win on Constitutional grounds.

4. If home-schooling, begin planning with other families about how to make the most awesome school experience ever for your children, minus all of the problems associated with the public school system. Think of all the wonderful things you can focus on teaching at your own home, another's home, or an agreed-upon community location, vs. that which is taught in school that you might not want your child hearing, learning about, spending time on, or even thinking about! Think of the extra time you and the other families will have to do amazing things without the constraints of a long school day, much of which is wasteful beyond belief, and without all the travel time and school-related events you might otherwise feel compelled to attend. The opportunities are endless, so make the most of them! Let those who have their children enrolled in public schools see what they are missing! Maybe they will join you, or request what they see you doing be implemented in the public schools...and maybe we will take back control of our state, and of our school system!

Those are my ponderings for today :) Stay inspired, and keep fighting for your God-given parental rights, for your Constitutional rights, for your medical choice freedom, and for your fundamental human right to determine that which does, or doesn't, go into your body, or that of your child's.

Be well, stay strong, and let's all do what we can to bring this present evil to an abrupt end.

We will have to MAKE health freedom a major, if not the major issue. If they don't speak outright on it they lose credibility.

Governor Moonbeam must have been sleepwalking for the last three months because he apparently didn't: read any constituent's mail; listen to any testimony from the legislative committees or sessions relating to SB 277; listen to any speeches on the Capitol steps; nor notice that thousands of people were out on the streets wearing red and carrying signs. (Maybe drug companies had paid staff members giving him advice, or maybe drugging him--just kidding.) Or maybe it was just that robotic California Democratic mindset where everyone speaks with one voice and independent thought is frowned upon. Really though there is no excuse for this decision. I do not know when the dominos are going to fall but now California is falling too. All I can say is thank you to the Republican party for acting like real human beings and we are only 16 months away from election time where in my district I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure we get an elected official who cares about families, and health freedom.

Does this mean that ANY doctor can exempt a child for ANY reason that can fit into one of those categories? Or, will the doctors be second-guessed and then shunned? And, risk losing insurance payments? Or, anything else?

My kids are vaccinated--on our schedule. What happens when flu shots are added to the schedule? Gardasil? Meningitis vaccine for more than boarding schools? Why HepB when mother proves she is HepB negative? Why chicken pox, when it doesn't really work? Yes, kids will be getting pertussis still, but I'm sure they will add one to the schedule however often is not too often to have a tetanus vaccine. Every five years? Whatever it is.

For adults, what is the answer? How will they get someone like me to get a Tdap? Insurance? Employment? So, kids can't enter a school because they're so disease-ridden and dangerous...can they and adults enter houses of worship? Movie theaters? Um...Disneyland? Speaking of Disneyland, do they care that no one died?

This is f*cked up. I don't get it at all.

How is it possible they can pass a law mandating vaccinations on babies when at the same time the government is paying out for vaccine damage ?
Surely that is a court case on its own ?
Now we know why they suspended the vaccine damage reporting database earlier this year !

Civil disobedience time ! REFUSE TO COOPERATE

Very frightening and scarey times indeed .
Echoes of Germany\Poland 1939-1945 .
Paul Offit I curse you for your criminal behaviour .

As for Texas surgeries that turn away the unvaccinated , that story amuses me greatly . We have turned our backs on mainstream medicine - we dont go to them .

Emily whats her face over at those scoundrels Forbes is talking about people like us here at AoA who dont even go for our annual physical check-up . What total nonsense that magazine and that woman spews .

The next predictable outbreaks will be blamed on unvaccinated adults, rather than the real vaccine failures . They will be coming for adults next. F--- them. I'm so sick of the corruption!

I was born in UK in 1945 and had not heard of autism until 1970s when I read an article. In 1990s one grandson was diagnosed autistic, another ADHD. These were the first children I knew with autism. 20 years later it has become 'the norm' for children to be on the spectrum. If not vaccines, then what has changed environmentally? Until honest research is done to find out, families will continue to suffer. Of course, the research cannot be done because the result is already known by Governments and Pharma and they cannot admit it because of the massive repercussions.

"The science is clear that vaccines dramatically protect children against a number of infectious and dangerous diseases. While it is true no medical intervention is without risk, the evidence shows that immunization powerfully benefits and protects the community"

It is one thing to claim that "immunization powerfully benefits and protects the community" .. and .. then require ONLY children to suffer the potential severe consequences .. including death .. of those risks.

If the intention of Gov Brown and Dr Pan is to "protect the community" by coercing PARENTS to vaccinate their children .. why stop there?

Why don't these despicable .. power drunk .. bought and paid for .. despots .. DEVELOP COERCIVE MEASURES .. SUCH AS .. DENY HEALTH CARE COVERAGE TO ANYONE WHO REFUSES TO COMPLY WITH RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED VACCINES FOR ADULTS AND SENIORS?

I think we can assume that is precisely their plan going forward .. first the children .. then selected occupations .. such as .. hospital staff, day care workers, etc .. until virtually EVERYONE will be crushed under the boot of the pharma fascists.

How do we get this reversed ?
How do we fight this ?

I cant use the expletives I want to because the comment will be censored . But damn you Pan .

Yes Governor Brown will be remembered for all the wrong reasons. He will come to represent corruption and tyranny. And for Pan to say that "Californians have spoken" is a gross mischaracterization of what went down. If anything constituents were basically pissed on. Oh and by the way, I wasn't aware we were having "outbreaks" of hepatitis B or other generally non-communicable diseases.

In Canada, Chair in Public Health, Kumaman Wilson said (a Cansdian poll showed fully 2/5 questioned vaccine science) "mandating will harden the view of vaccine opponents,"

I predict that this letter from Edmund Brown is going to become very infamous in the history of California and this country and will overshadow anything else that this man has done. It will be his legacy. From the denial of the right of consent to medical risk taking, to the statement that the risk to the individual is to be mandated because of the benefit to society as a whole (the end justifies the means - human sacrifice), to the complete power of medical decision making given to the MD who is following government mandated standards. This letter will be studied for it's many flaws and for how it could even be possible that such a statement could be issued by an elected leader in the United States.

That's if the pharmaceutical overthrow of our government is not completely successful.

June 30th 2015, the day Californians killed God, lets see how much rain he brings them this year...

And there it is in plain English. Medical tyranny. The decision is made by the doctor, solely, at his or her "sound discretion". Not by the parents. No informed consent. No consent at all. The parents do not matter. The child, if old enough to be involved in his or her own health care decisions, does not have a say. Forced, massive, repeated dosing of state mandated experimental medication in healthy children.

What's the matter with Edmund Brown? Maybe he's taken one too many flu shots.