CBS was involved in the original hyping of the Measles vaccine, as is boasted about in this NCBI article,
"Telling the world about measles.
A case history in Government information".
Except the article title should be "Selling" the world.

The article describes the strategic planning and timing of information release, and the now familiar use of Third World statistics to fear monger acceptance.

"Because many people regard measles as basically a disease of childhood, to be endured and often welcomed as a guarantee of lifetime immunity, it was necessary to stress that measles and its consequences are far from trivial. With more than 400 deaths annually (out of 4 million plus infections) in the United States and aftereffects ranging from serious mental crippling to deafness and other defects, it is a major health hazard. Another point was the much more serious health threat that measles poses in the developing nations.in Africa and Latin America, where childhood mortality from the disease ranges from 25 to 50 percent. To hammer home this point, we cited the Public Health Service accomplishment in Upper Volta, West Africa, where experimental use of the vaccine, provided
by Merck Sharp & Dohme, resulted in more than 700,000 vaccinations, saving the lives of many thousands of children."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1915318/

Terrific comment John Stone.
I hope you don't mind me repeating this paragraph since it pulls many threads together:-

"And plainly what happened in Swansea was being hyped for political ends - we had a three month wave of attacks on Andrew "Emmanuel Goldstein" Wakefield across the media, the BBC calling for vaccination to made compulsory backed by Paul Offit etc. This is about manipulation and it leaves truth well behind. Normally speaking I might have trusted the final figures given for confirmed measles cases but it is hard to know in this instance because so much public face depended on it."

Yes-I was just one person who attacked the BBC's outrageous coverage of the Swansea measles outbreak. I did this as a licence paying UK citizen, making written complaints through the BBC's official channels. Their responses seemed to blame the press/media information put out by the Welsh Health Spokespersons, but this was a very 'lame' excuse made by a public funded broadcaster, meant to be independent of UK Government interference and corporate interests.

MMR vaccine manufacturer GSK is a British based company, which has recently been fined huge amounts in the US and now China for bribery and corruption, involving the sale and promotion of their pharmaceuticals. Around another six countries are complaining about GSK's corrupt operations. In the UK? -never a cheep. Their CEO Sir Andrew Witty was even recently knighted by The Queen.

Most of the Swansea measles media hype took place in March and April 2013. ChildHealthSafety challenged the numbers of announced measles cases stated to be confirmed, pointing out only EIGHT laboratory confirmed measles cases were published since the start of 2013. In May 2013, CHS also 'demanded' the publication of the April confirmed cases, but the Welsh response stated this could take up to three months. In fact it took more than four months for the final figures to be published, along with a 'terse' statement the Welsh 'measles outbreak' was over. Like John, I was a tad suspicious to see more than 200 'confirmed' cases in April 2013, and around 50 in May.

Vincent and Eindeker have actually done us all a favour, opening up the official figures to scrutiny and debate. Eindeker's links to the England and Wales 2013-14 confirmed measles cases, also confirmed my suspicion that a far larger percentage of suspected measles cases (30%) were getting confirmed in April 2013. In 2014 the rate was less than 2%. Suspicious? I'll say!! How much pressure was put on lab technicians to produce large numbers of 'confirmed cases' in April and May 2013?

Researching Vincent's US outbreak, 1989-91, produced a refreshing logical analysis of what was stated to be both vaccine failure (when only one dose was administered)and failure to vaccinate all infants due to costs etc. Having tracked down the causes, the authorities knew how to correct things. These were pre-Wakefield scandal days!!

The MMR alone causes a febrile seizure resulting in an emergency room admission 1/3500 doses. Adding a Chicken Pox shot to an MMR visit, per ACIP recommendation, increases the febrile seizure rate to 1/2500. Using the MMRV Pro Quad 4 in 1 combo shot increases the febrile seizure rate again to 1/1250.
On top of the 1/1250 MMRV recipients who end up in the emergency room, another 250 or so end up back at the Doctor's office for an outpatient fever visit. Then a greater number suffer an illness in excess of 100. For all of these children, they suffer a course of illness equivalent or worse than an uncomplicated case of rubella, mumps, or even measles. For many children today the most serious illnesses they experience are vaccine reactions, not naturally acquired infections.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/120430481/CDC-MMRV-Vaccine-Data-Safety-Link-Slides

Lawrence Solomon: The untold story of measles:
Several decades following the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate rose, largely because the vaccine made adults, expectant mothers and infants more vulnerable

Early in the last century, measles killed millions of people a year. Then, bit by bit in countries of the developed world, the death rate dropped, by the 1960s by 98% or more. In the U.K., it dropped by an astounding 99.96%. And then, the measles vaccine entered the market.

After the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate continued to drop into the 1970s. Many scientists credit the continued decline entirely to the vaccine. Other scientists believe the vaccine played a minor role, if that, noting that most infectious diseases similarly petered out during the 20th century, including some, like scarlet fever, for which vaccines were never developed.

The credit for the century-long decline, scientists generally agree, goes to improved nutrition and improved health care, side effects of the West’s growing affluence. In the U.S., the death rate dropped by about 98%, from about 10 per 100,000 population a century ago to one fifth of one person by 1963, the year measles vaccines made their American debut. Both before and after vaccination started, victims tended to be poor. http://business.financialpost.com/2014/04/16/lawrence-solomon-the-untold-story-of-measles/

Lawrence Solomon: Vaccines can’t prevent measles outbreaks:
Measles in highly immunized societies occurs primarily among those previously immunized:
....Dr. Gregory Poland, one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.
....The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Thankfully, in that paper and elsewhere he also spelled out in no-nonsense fashion what now needs to be done. http://business.financialpost.com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/

-Outbreaks are occurring in highly vaccinated populations. Why Is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?
China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/why-china-having-measles-outbreaks-when-99-are-vaccinated-2
-1985, Texas, USA:New England Journal of Medicine in 1987, conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
-1985, Montana, USA:the American Journal of Epidemiology titled, "A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures," School records indicated that 98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated, leading the researchers to conclude:
-1988, Colorado, USA:American Journal of Public Health in 1991, "early 1988 an outbreak of 84 measles cases occurred at a college in Colorado in which over 98 percent of students had documentation of adequate measles immunity.
-NY Measles outbreak: 26 cases total. 14 adults ad 12 children. Patient Zero is a 22 year old VACCINATED young lady who contracted measles in 2011. Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011 Oxford Journal.
-Wales Measles Outbreak 2012-13: 90-95 per cent of the people who contracted measles were vaccinated.
-Major Measles Epidemic in Quebec Despite 99% Vaccination Coverage: Can J Public health. 1991 May-Jun;82(3):189-90

I see two things happening here: Viral Vaccine Shedding and/or viral transmission. Meaning the vaccinated are contagious and are infecting others.

Since Dr Ianelli has not responded to my request for information about the US measles outbreaks 1989-91, I searched this myself:-
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551272_5
Extract:-
"Because >95% of children entering school had received a dose of measles vaccine, preventing the school-aged outbreaks required a second dose of vaccine. Waning immunity with increasing time since vaccination was not a significant cause of vaccine failure.[28] Instead, the major problem was primary vaccine failure-the failure to respond to the first dose. Questions were raised about whether measles was so contagious that it could persist among the 2% to 5% of persons who failed to mount an initial immune response to a single dose.[29] There was much debate, particularly among persons in public health, of the need for a second dose because of the cost of implementation. Additionally, the first dose was not being well implemented, particularly in preschool children, many of whom did not receive their vaccine until just before school entry. Perhaps measles outbreaks would not occur if higher first-dose coverage were achieved in young children. Before going to the expense of adding a second dose to the schedule, some felt more resources should be devoted to improving first-dose coverage and seeing if that was enough to terminate measles transmission."

It would seem from these outbreaks, the initial MMR/measles vaccinations were insufficient to ensure measles immunity in this population. This is why we are all getting the 'two dose' MMR vaccine mantra from health sources and press/media coverage.

Certainly, the Welsh measles 2013 outbreak figures show a large percentage of confirmed measles cases in the 1-4 years age group, a cohort stated to be >95% MMR vaccinated, although at this age most will have received only one MMR vaccine dose. This seems to confirm vaccine failure accounting for a significant proportion of those UK measles outbreak cases during 2012-13, although virtually all the UK measles outbreaks were blamed on 'unvaccinated' children, and of course, Dr Wakefield was again dragged out as a suitable person to blame!

Hera,
I would be interested in what Dr. Ianelli told us about it, but I've read that Gareth had large-cell pneumonia which couldn't have been treated by any means, and is said to be always fatal. I'd like to know if high-dose vitamin C might have been able to treat it, but don't know if there's any evidence about that.

Thank you for these links Eindeker:-
First link:-
All laboratory confirmed cases of measles, mumps and rubella: England and Wales (England only).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013

Year Measles Mumps Rubella
2012 2030 (1912) 2564 (2476) 65 (65)
2013* 1843 (1413) 4035 (3524) 12 (12)

Years 2012 and 2013 were plainly 'anomaly' years reflecting the measles outbreaks in the NE England and Wales. What jumped out at me were the numbers of confirmed MUMPS cases, exceeding measles cases in both years. In the UK press and media we were inundated with measles outbreak hype, but mumps? ...not a cheep!! .. apart from a 'whinge' from Cardiff University in a Welsh newspaper, about the high numbers of undergraduate students contracting Mumps. I endorse Bayareamom's comment about this, I hope she won't mind me reproducing part of her comment here:-

"A consequence is that giving MMR vaccine to children cannot be justified on clinical or ethical grounds. And as there is insufficient clinical benefit to children to introduce mass mumps vaccination, it cannot be justified as a general public health measure.

And one consequence of this unnecessary measure is that we are now putting young male adults at risk of orchitis and sterility because they did not catch natural mumps harmlessly when children and because MMR vaccination is not effective in conferring full or lasting immunity across an entire population."

Link 2
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/measles-notifications-and-confirmed-cases-by-quarter-in-england-2013-to-2014

"Following the Measles-Rubella (MR) school campaign in November 1994 the Public Health England predecessor (PHLS) has offered oral fluid testing to confirm the diagnosis on all notified cases of measles, mumps and rubella. This is part of the enhanced surveillance programme for these vaccine-preventable diseases. The table below shows only the cases confirmed by oral fluid IgM antibody tests and/or PCR in each quarter compared to the number of notified cases."

Year Quarter Uncorrected notified cases Oral fluid tests % of notified cases with tests Oral fluid positive tests % of positive tests
2014 2nd* 677 518 76.51% 10 1.93%
2014 1st 887 703 79.26% 69 9.82%
2013 4th 716 620 86.59% 41 6.61%
2013 3rd 1108 774 69.86% 84 10.85%
2013 2nd 4037 2655 65.77% 434 16.35%
2013 1st 2621 1373 52.38% 402 29.28%

This table takes us into 2014 where only 10 measles cases have been confirmed for the first 2 quarters. Again there seems to be some considerable anomalies in the percentages of cases confirmed by laboratory tests, ranging from less than 2% in 2014 2nd quarter to nearly 30% in the 1st 2013 quarter. This correlates with much of the Welsh measles press and media 'hype', which we were subjected to in March 2013, when in reality only 8 actual cases had been laboratory confirmed in Wales. I would like an explanation from our UK Government as to why 2013 laboratory confirmations of suspected cases in England and Wales ranged from around 7% to 30%. Even allowing for doctors difficulties in diagnosing measles from symptoms alone, surely this is unacceptable and merits an investigation?

Eindeker-since we appear to be in broad agreement about the benefits and necessity of measles immunisations, I see no point in arguing about how this should be achieved. The single measles vaccine in common with ALL vaccines is 'unavoidably unsafe', but overall there were fewer problems reported than with MMR vaccine. If you agree mumps is unnecessary, and actually counter productive, since it plainly loses efficacy after a few years, then the only jab necessary for all children during childhood is measles, two jabs including a pre school booster.
Girls can now be tested for rubella immunity pre puberty and immunised if necessary. There's no need to vaccinate boys against this extremely mild disease. I think that takes care of your 'too many jabs' argument.
* I apologise for the difficulties in reproducing the tables here. Please access the links for a clearer picture.

And to prevent the four in 10,000 cases of death in infants under one year old from measles, if their mothers have had natural measles, then they give the babies placental immunity lasting from six to twelve months, and they give them immunity from breast feeding for as long as it continues. Again, let girls get measles as children the way we used to, and their infants will not get measles during their most vulnerable year.

Further from prior posted link:

..."Providing treatment to a patient that is not clinically needed and misleading patients as to the clinical need for a treatment so as to vitiate their consent can mean the administration of the treatment is a criminal offence: Appleton v Garrett (1995) 34 BMLR 23.

According to The British Medical Association (‘BMA’) and The Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain (RPSGB) mumps vaccination is clinically inappropriate:-
“Since mumps and its complications are very rarely serious there is little indication for the routine use of mumps vaccine”: British National Formulary (‘BNF’) 1985 and 1986

Freedom of Information documents show the UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation and Ministry of Defence agreed as early as 1974 that:-

“there was no need to introduce routine vaccination against mumps” because “complications from the disease were rare” JCVI minutes 11 Dec 1974.

Doctors and nurses who fail to tell parents mumps vaccine in MMR is clinically unnecessary, of the exact risks of adverse reactions and then give the vaccine appear to be behaving unethically, potentially in contravention of the criminal law and liable to civil proceedings for damages. They are also unable to explain the exact risks because data on adverse reactions are not being collected properly or at all, and there is evidence showing adverse reaction data are suppressed.

A consequence is that giving MMR vaccine to children cannot be justified on clinical or ethical grounds. And as there is insufficient clinical benefit to children to introduce mass mumps vaccination, it cannot be justified as a general public health measure.

And one consequence of this unnecessary measure is that we are now putting young male adults at risk of orchitis and sterility because they did not catch natural mumps harmlessly when children and because MMR vaccination is not effective in conferring full or lasting immunity across an entire population.

One effect of MMR vaccination has been to push mumps outbreaks into older age groups. Mumps now circulates in colleges and universities: Mumps and the UK epidemic 2005, R K Gupta, J Best, E MacMahon BMJ 2005;330:1132-1135 (14 May)..."

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Meas_Mort_UK_USA

That is an honest comment Jenny: After MMR vaccine was introduced in the UK, child measles deaths became extremely rare, the actual numbers being 0-2 per year for the last decade and you are correct the link I gave was notified cases (because it also had the mortality stats). The table you were referring to, confirmed cases of measles is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013 , and there were still almost 2000 confirmed cases of measles/year for 2012 & 2013. This confirms the mortality rate as 1 death every few 1000 cases of measles.
But I'm afraid Jenny the stats above show that Dr Iannelli's recall is correct and you are talking TOSH The above demonstrates your "recall reading and writing about the UK outbreaks - about 2,000 cases and 1 death a year since 2011", is complete TOSH!!

You recommend single vaccines, as did Dr Wakefield, but please give any evidence that these have fewer adverse events than the combined MMR vaccine my understanding is that Wakefield's comments had no factual basis, as in evidence. There are good practical reasons for using the MMR, as I'm sure you are aware: 2/3rds fewer visits to the GP and not delaying protecting the infant over a prolonged course of injections.
@ Cia Parker's statement I think these advantages make measles a desirable disease to get, preferably before puberty, but it is usually not dangerous even when adults get it. doesn't really stand up to reality does it now?

Rosycurler;
What refugee camp were you in?

Are all refugee camps the same? I guess it would depend on the leaders and the people organizing and doing a good job.

John Stone:
As for measles - Rubella - my sister is buried less than five feet away from a 7 year old that finally died of a heart operation complications - the heart problems were from rubella caught while in the womb. They went to our church and it was horrible. The Mother did not hold on to her immunity to rubella. Both of them died in 1977.

So which Measles are you all referring to that it is not a benign disease? Because I had both of them and so did all my class mates. And Don't We all know that anything can go wrong anytime when fighting off a disease - that is why we put the sick in bed, feed them all we can, nurse them all we can.

But the majority did get over both types of measles and the mumps --I know I lived it like all my age did.

Now we are talking about a rise in autim, rise in bipolar, rise in drug abuse (co morbid with mental illness that is co morbid with brian injuries (immune problems)

It looks to me that a bunch of medical people are vaccinating our brains out and no research - not even a discussion about it is on going.

Yes, I have wept for the boy beside my sister's grave - as did the whole community. BUT I ALONE HAVE WEPT FOR THE BRAIN INJURY RECEIVED BECAUSE OF A VACCINE TO MY SON.

Eindeker states:- " Just how many deaths & outbreaks does will it take to convince that:

A Measles does kill people
B Vaccination does prevent deaths & measles outbreaks??"

Just to remind folks of my own stance regarding measles vaccination, which I have reiterated plenty of times on this thread. Like Dr Wakefield, I would like to see a return to single measles vaccinations on child immunisation schedules. In that respect, I have put my actions where my mouth is, by having both my daughters vaccinated against measles, more than 40 years ago, and more recently, sharing the considerable expense of obtaining single measles, mumps and rubella vaccines for my grandson, sibling of our 'Wakefield Babe. Eindeker would like to label me and everyone else here as anti vaccine and ignoring the dangers of certain diseases.

However, spreading false doom and gloom and misinformation about measles is counterproductive in terms of maintaining public confidence in vaccines.

Now who's talking TOSH Jenny???: 1 death/year & a few 1000 cases every year in the UK looks absolutely spot on!https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
It may not fit with your view of the world but unfortunately where there are communities with low vaccination rates measles outbreaks & deaths go hand in hand:
2014 review: •European Union - In the previous 12 months, there have been at least 4,735 cases in 30 EU/EEA countries, with many of the cases being found in Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands. Only 4.9% of the cases were completely vaccinated. The cases were complicated by one death and 5 cases of measles encephalitis.
2011 review: Current outbreaks of measles in Europe are a reminder of the important risks of death and serious morbidity associated with measles. Between 2009 and 2010, cases of measles increased dramatically in Europe, with notifications increasing from 7175 to 30 367.1 In 2010 most reported cases were in Bulgaria (22 005), but there were also 5019 in France, 861 in Italy, 787 in Germany, 406 in Ireland, 397 in the United Kingdom, and 302 in Spain. Of these, 21 877 people were admitted to hospital and 21 died (case fatality 0.69 deaths/1000 reported cases); 71% of people infected were aged under 20 years and 85% were unvaccinated. The World Health Organization has reported outbreaks in 24 European countries already this year.2 There is little sign of a decrease in cases in 2011, and travel has facilitated transmission between countries. From January to March 2011, 9349 cases were reported, and 18 of 32 reporting countries found that the incidence of measles was higher than during the same period in 2010

Just how many deaths & outbreaks does will it take to convince that:

A Measles does kill people
B Vaccination does prevent deaths & measles outbreaks??

What more evidence do you need??

Vincent Iannelli asks me:- "Can you post a source or a site that made such a claim? I follow international measles outbreaks closely too and recall reading and writing about the UK outbreaks - about 2,000 cases and 1 death a year since 2011."

Pleased to oblige Vincent Iannelli:-
UPDATE MEASLES UK 2013 – BBC News Secretly Removes Fake News Claims from Website – Health Officials in Tail-Spin Over Vastly Hyped Claims of Welsh Measles Epidemic
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/update-measles-2013/
Extract:- "Thanks to information from Jenny Allan we show what the BBC has now “doctored” from its online news reports to remove the fake news the BBC had reported from the wildly exaggerated claims quoted by Dr Sara Hayes. They have also changed the headline but the original headline is here in a tweet from the BBC’s health “journalist” (?) Fergus Walsh who seems to have “led the charge” at the BBC to scare parents with fake news: “Measles: Swansea epidemic cases could exceed 600 http://bbc.in/Xpi860“. What a bunch of crooks. Clearly, no one anywhere in the world can trust the BBC’s reporting. No wonder the muslim world does not trust the WASPs [White Anglo-Saxon Protestants] in the western first world who seem to manipulate their lives with such fakery. If there are any responsible people working as journalists at the BBC might they stand up and complain? Or maybe they should get a job with a less discreditable organisation?
Why does the BBC engage in these fake news crooked practices of airbrushing false news when caught instead of owning up and apologising so the British tax and licence payers and the world can see? The fact they have changed the headline too is damning – the airbrushed 9th April story still reads “9 April 2013 Last updated at 19:31” when plainly false. These folks are clearly culpable – publishing fake news and then airbrushing it out when caught.
Here is the extract from the original – with the parts shown in red now deleted:-
Measles: Swansea epidemic cases could exceed 600 – BBC Health – Measles 9th April 2013
“Death risk’ in outbreak
…….
“We are not in any way judgmental about why their children may have missed the MMR in the past. The important thing is that they get the jab now,” she added.

Before the introduction of the MMR in 1988, about half a million children caught measles and about 100 died from it each year in the UK.”

Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22385218
2nd May 2013
"Swansea measles: Cases in epidemic rise to 1,039
The number of cases in the Swansea measles epidemic has risen to 1,039, an increase of 28 in the past two days.
Public Health Wales (PHW) said across Wales the total has reached 1,170, and 85 people have been hospitalised.
It said that 33,000 non-routine MMR vaccinations have been given around the country during the outbreak.
But it said that too few 10-18-year-olds were receiving the jab, and they were the hardest hit by the epidemic.
Large numbers of children in that age group were never given the MMR vaccine, the result of a scare that caused panic among parents."

This was complete tosh!! But I'm not surprised Dr Ianelli and others around the world were fooled by all this misinformation put out by the Welsh Heath authorities with the full backing of the UK Government and the BBC. The blunt fact is the vast majority of these cases were SUSPECTED measles. The ACTUAL numbers can be found on the Wales notifiable diseases surveillance site.
The final 'tally' of CONFIRMED Welsh measles cases for the whole of 2013 was as follows. This includes adults up to age 55. You might be interested in the mumps stats.
http://www2.nphs.wales.nhs.uk:8080/CommunitySurveillanceDocs.nsf/3dc04669c9e1eaa880257062003b246b/6e91e9f36f02b87e80257d72004a91eb/$FILE/monthly%20lab%20201409.pdf
2013 327 included adults up to age 57
220 April 50 May
All Wales surveillance of laboratory confirmed infections
2013 Mumps 56
2014 Mumps 26 virtually all mumps cases in 15-34 age group
Measles 22

Perhaps you can now tell us more about those US outbreaks you mentioned Dr Ianelli, with supporting evidence. We are all very interested. In the meantime please desist from spreading misiformation about UK measles cases The above demonstrates your "recall reading and writing about the UK outbreaks - about 2,000 cases and 1 death a year since 2011", is complete TOSH!!

I've been trying to get a better understanding of the 1989-1991 outbreak. One question in my mind is what percentage of infants too young to be vaccinated were involved? Another question is the timing of the first dose of MMR in 1988?

This MMWR report http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00017268.htm mentions that in infants age 16-59 months vaccination coverage "as recommended" was only 15% (this was also considering DTP, and OPV). I'm not sure what that means in terms of MMR or other measles vaccine coverage. I had the impression that MMR was not administered until 18 months for a time--I'm not sure that is correct. Also, there is no mention of the outbreak's impact on younger infants.

When I searched on the phrase "1989-1991 measles epidemic" under images, I see a graph connected to this medscape article, http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551272_5, that shows a 1670% increase in incidence in infants under one year for the year 1990 compared to the prior nine years. Only a part of the graph, concerning ages 1-4, is viewable (at least on my computer) at the medscape site. I have to view it through my search engine. I can't be sure what this means in terms of the overall numbers of very young infants, but it seems a rather significantly sudden change in incidence for that age to not be included in prominent discussion of the outbreak.

Those of us who lived through the prevaccine era beg to differ.

A few more points, Vincent. If the mothers of those children who succumbed to measles had had measles themselves when they were children, instead of the vaccine, then their deceased children would have had a better fighting chance with the increased immunity that would have passed to them in infancy. In addition, if the medical and corporate communities would protect and enable long-term breastfeeding instead of protecting Pharma's formula industry by engaging in the disruption and discouragement of breastfeeding at every opportunity, then, again, those children would have had a better chance since they would still have the benefit of their mother's immune system through her milk at the age of 2,3 and 4 YEARS which would have gone a long way toward fighting any pathogenic viral, bacterial or fungal invasion, including measles.

Why don't you spend some energy promoting nature's immunization in explaining the biological need for mothers and babies to breastfeed? Why is it always about vaccines while right under your nose mothers who don't know any better choose inferior pharmaceutical feeding that will leave them vulnerable to disease for a lifetime while other mothers wean prematurely because of incorrect cultural bias that the medical community makes no real effort to correct?

Are you as vocal about breastfeeding as you are about vaccines? If not, why?

"Dr. Gordon said last spring that measles wasn't dangerous for healthy children. "

There were large measles outbreaks in the United States from 1989-1991 before we started giving two doses of MMR vaccine. There were 55,622 cases and 123 deaths. Almost all deaths were in completely unvaccinated people and nearly half were in children under age 5 years.

These weren't Third World conditions. These weren't unhealthy children. Measles can be a serious, life-threatening condition.

Whatever you think of the vaccine, you shouldn't minimize how deadly this vaccine-preventable condition can be. At least don't do it at the same time that you are talking about censorship and looking for a "trustworthy, reliable source for information."

Thanks, all, for all the measles risk and treatment info!

I'm not sure I'm "pro-measles," but it seems to me that we don't know all that a measles infection might do, some of which might be called a benefit:

http://www.prevention.com/health/health-concerns/breaking-news-measles-vaccine-cures-woman-cancer

So, I do wonder, if there is such benefit possible with most or some viral infections, if the best course is to try to avoid problematic cases, instead of any and all cases.

And I'm not sure vaccination reduces risks of problematic cases (considering vaccination like getting a case of disease and the risks as disease morbidity) particularly when given in greater number than I think the average infant has chance of encountering serious natural infections in two years or so, and with greater doses of immune agitating pollutants than could pass true safety research.

But we see here with this poor man having a suspicious rash, and probably a less than ideal vaccine history, one possible "natural" (because MMR never leads to cases of horizontal transmission) case, whatever the outcome, should not happen.

Our children dealing with an outcome of neurological disability rate of something like 1 in 10? Infant mortality ranking that approaches disqualifying us as a developed country? Oh well, what else is to be done? Most of them were vaccinated as well as we could manage...and lots of them are taking medication, getting therapy...we can't let that accomplishment get away from us...

Benedetta,
My parents were refugees and orphans who spent months in refugee camps. The refugees were 3000 children ages 7 – 15. In recent years historians have taken a look at this group of unfortunate children, collecting oral histories and the media coverage at the time. Note the children were without parents, slept on the ground under tents and were always hungry.
At least one newspaper at the time marveled at how these kids in the refugee camps did not come down with the diseases the public health observers anticipated. The expected outbreaks did not happen.

Linda1 asks(of measles):- "Will a childhood case render a senior immune after 40-50 years of no exposure to the virus? Supposedly, but do we really know under post vaccine era conditions?"

In the UK at least we SHOULD know, since measles is a notifiable disease and all confirmed cases are recorded and published, including details of age groupings. The recent, much publicised Welsh outbreak recorded no cases in the 55+ age group. This seems to confirm measles immunity in the pre vaccine population. In the UK, measles vaccine was introduced in 1968.

Benedetta

I slightly side with Birgit. I don't think we should entirely dismiss the hazards of the disease but it doesn't excuse all the lying that goes on about the safety of the vaccine.

ABC news just reported there was NO measle case, the person tested negative.

(no explanation of why and, really, is there absolutely no risk of getting measles if one was born before 1957?)

Interesting point, Jeanette. We assume that there is life long immunity, however, that was when there was ongoing exposure to the wild virus which presumably would have served to boost immunity. Will a childhood case render a senior immune after 40-50 years of no exposure to the virus? Supposedly, but do we really know under post vaccine era conditions?

I attempted to post, nothing..asked a friend if I could post using her sign in..again, nothing...unless they show up at some point as "doubles", the CBS site doesn't seem to be allowing new comments.

Vicki,
I had both measles and German measles (rubella) as a child too. I actually had the worst case of measles the doctor had ever seen, but I don't know why he said that, I wasn't hospitalized and I recovered just fine. It may have done eye damage which I still suffer from, but the damage may have been caused by the autoimmune inflammation caused by the vaccines. Apparently measles is often much more serious in adults than in children, maybe because their immune systems are more developed and fight the virus so strongly that it may damage or kill the host, as in the Spanish flu. It was MUCH better when nearly all children caught it at school or from siblings who caught it at school between the ages of five and ten. But parents must be aware that they must keep the sick child in bed from the beginning to the end of the fever, well-hydrated, and give NO fever reducers of any kind, no Tylenol or even sponge baths. And keep the child quiet at home for a good three weeks after the day the rash appears, to give the immune system time to recover, to guard against secondary infections. Give homeopathic bryonia if the rash is slow to appear. Measles is the most serious of the formerly universal childhood diseases, but a very beneficial experience for the vast majority to go through.

Measles was not a risk to the adult population - back in the days when nearly everyone had the measles as a child. Parents would intentionally expose their children when they heard that a neighborhood child had the measles, because that would increase the likelihood that their child would get the measles and get it over with...and life-long immunity to boot! The few pregnant women who had never had the measles did try to avoid the disease, but they were the only ones at risk. (Most women had measles when they were children, so it was not an issue during pregnancy.)

But now we have 2 generations of people who got the vaccine instead of the measles. And when the measles pops up somewhere, we now have great risk of adult exposure. Society has taken a benign disease of childhood and turned it into a dangerous disease for adults. (Yes, I had both types of measles as a kid and they are nowhere as bad as today's news reports often claim.)

The expectation that CBS will return to the days when it was considered a trustworthy, reliable source for information the public desperately needs to know is simply unrealistic.

I think it safe to assume the Founding Fathers would not have guaranteed "freedom of the press" had they known that CBS .. like most mainstream media sources .. would one day abandon "investigation journalism" which .. since the very beginning of our great country .. provided the public information they desperately needed to make critical decisions in their lives .. while at the same time holding responsible those in powerful positions accountable for the "deliberate" or "unintended consequences" of "good intentions" gone horribly awry.

Indeed, the "freedom of the press" as practiced today in the USA .. has become "advocacy journalism" .. which deliberately denies critical information for the public to make "informed decisions" on extremely controversial issues .. information that is critical but inconvenient to the media "advocates".

In other words .. "We Report .. You Decide" is no longer the professional standard of major media .. which now appears to be .. We Decide .. We Report .. You comply".

Sounds a lot like PRAVDA to me.