This is a little better than my second video link I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSJqVbZkeYE

Godfrey; The CDC is the joke here.

"Translation: 'Unless you're already pretty sure the patient has Ebola—whatever that means—don’t run the test, because the test isn’t all that reliable.'

"Not very reassuring. A test is a test. It's supposed to register a true positive or negative result on anyone."

I am afraid that Rappoport registers his failure to understand what he is declaiming about from the outset. There does not exist any medical test that has 100% sensitivity and 100% specificity. A simpler explanation for not using PCR "unless the individual has been exposed to or is at risk for exposure to Ebola Zaire virus or has signs and symptoms of infection with Ebola Zaire virus ... that meet clinical and epidemiologic criteria for testing suspect specimens" is that it does not make sense to test people for a disease without some reason.

"'[The PCR test] should not be used as the sole basis for patient management decisions. Results [of the PCR] are for the presumptive identification of the Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014).'

"Translation: 'The word "presumptive" means "we're not sure". And that's right. We're not sure. Don't rely on the PCR for a definitive diagnosis of Ebola.'"

This quote appears to be deliberately inaccurate. In the actual document, the first sentence is, "Negative results do not preclude infection with Ebola virus and should not be the sole basis of a patient treatment/management decision." That is, it is possible to obtain a false negative. The second sentence has been spliced on from the beginning of the document.

"I can tell you what those other tests should be. One, purification and direct isolation of the virus from the patient; and two, a test to determine the amount of virus in the patient—because millions and millions of active Ebola virus must be present in the patient to even begin to say he is 'an Ebola case.'"

I should think it obvious, with respect to his first item, that attempting to culture the virus outside of a secure facility is absurd. His second item relies upon the unstated fact that PCR would be the only way to estimate viral load in this case--in other words, a simple assertion that there is no outbreak of Zaire ebolavirus in West Africa because Jon Rappoport says that this is impossible to ascertain.

The estimation of the sensitivity (true-positive ratio) and specificity (true-negative ratio) of this test kit is set forth in detail in the actual document. The "translations" appear not to have reached this far.

@Benedetta:

"Do you remember the last Ebola outbreak? Where was itm and when was it? How did they manage to gain control of that epidemic? Do you remember?"

The answer to this question depends upon whether you are asking about epidemics or outbreaks. The most recent outbreak was in the DRC in 2008/2009, with 32 cases. It gained control of itself, by killing just enough hosts in isolated districts to burn out.

It is the expectation that this pattern would be the norm that led to the catastrophe playing out now.

"This is verified in spades by a Dept. of Defense manual. The title is: 'Joint Project Manager Medical Countermeasures Systems.' It is dated 14 August 2014."

The title of the document, dated August 14, 2014, that Rappoport links to is "Ebola Zaire (EZ1) rRT-PCR (TaqMan®) Assay on ABI 7500 Fast Dx, LightCycler, & JBAIDS: Instruction Booklet."

I am inclined to think that providing uniform instructions for using the RT-PCR devices likely to be deployed in the field is an improvement over delivering the equipment and hoping for the best.

One thing that I cannot reconcile is both quoting Kary Mullis and contending that PCR itself is invalid or fraudulent.

I do not mean to belabor this issue with the PCR test (I think most of us get it at this point), but I just read this over at Jon Rappoport's website:

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/dept-of-defense-ebola-manual-smoking-guns/

Here it is, straight out of the horse's mouth:

"Department of Defense Ebola Manual:

This is verified in spades by a Dept. of Defense manual. The title is: “Joint Project Manager Medical Countermeasures Systems.” It is dated 14 August 2014.

Under the title is the statement: “Manufactured by the Naval Medical Research Center for the US DOD.”

Here is a quote: “

“The EZ1 assay [the PCR test] should not be performed unless the individual has been exposed to or is at risk for exposure to Ebola Zaire virus or has signs and symptoms of infection with Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014) that meet clinical and epidemiologic criteria for testing suspect specimens.”

Translation: “Unless you’re already pretty sure the patient has Ebola—whatever that means—don’t run the test, because the test isn’t all that reliable.”

Not very reassuring. A test is a test. It’s supposed to register a true positive or negative result on anyone.

Here’s another quote:

“[The PCR test] should not be used as the sole basis for patient management decisions. Results [of the PCR] are for the presumptive identification of the Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014).”

Translation: “The word ‘presumptive’ means ‘we’re not sure’. And that’s right. We’re not sure. Don’t rely on the PCR for a definitive diagnosis of Ebola.”

Here is the final quote: “The definitive identification of the Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014) requires additional testing and confirmation procedures in consultation with public health or other authorities for whom reporting is required. The diagnosis of Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014) infection must be made based on history, signs, symptoms, exposure likelihood, and other laboratory evidence in addition to the identification of the Ebola Zaire virus (detected in the West Africa outbreak in 2014) by this [PCR] test.”

That’s the capper. It baldly states that other diagnostic tests must be run. I can tell you what those other tests should be. One, purification and direct isolation of the virus from the patient; and two, a test to determine the amount of virus in the patient—because millions and millions of active Ebola virus must be present in the patient to even begin to say he is “an Ebola case.”

@Jenny Allan:

"Godfrey -I see Dr Wakefield is mentioned as a co-author on the Bradstreet et al paper."

Yes. I described it as "Wakefield's finding" because he occupied the senior position in the author list, but I did link to the paper itself.

"Co researcher, Professor O'Leary in Ireland, linked the measles virus DNA to the attenuated virus present in the MMR vaccine. This research was never completed, and both researchers were smeared and discredited."

O'Leary did, however, publish results--this time in the senior position--which were again based on quantitative RT-PCR.

Steven Colbert's "Ebola Palooza" is almost as good as HeEbeegeebee, don't you think?

Lawrence said, "Gallows-humor, as it is you are making light of a horrible disease that has already killed thousands and portends to kill a whole lot more (but I guess you really don't care, because they are Africans)."

I don't think Steven Colbert is making fun of those who have died or doesn't care because they are Africans. I think he is poking fun at the way we, here in the US, are so easily whipped into a frenzy by TV pundits who he says "treat everything like it's the end of the world." That was from Monday night's broadcast. I enjoyed the humor, and I don't see anything wrong with the humor in this article.

Anyone happen to catch the Colbert Report on Comedy Central last night? I guess they like "gallows-humor" as well. I'll bet their were plenty of people laughing at Colbert's jokes about Ebola. You should watch it, Lawrence. It's available to watch today!

CDC is testing it.
This is were we get into the problem with a government agency well - lying.

@Godfry Wyl
As I understand it, Dr Andrew Wakefield was researching measles virus present in the guts of children with autism. Co researcher, Professor O'Leary in Ireland, linked the measles virus DNA to the attenuated virus present in the MMR vaccine. This research was never completed, and both researchers were smeared and discredited. There have been other subsequent studies elsewhere, apparently confirming a gut/measles virus link in autistic children.

It was Dr Jeff Bradstreet who researched measles virus in the cerebral-spinal fluids of autistic children.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-259519/Dr-Wakefield-shamefully-discredited.html
From above:-
"What is so striking is the sheer volume of parents, not just in Britain but in America and other countries, who tell the same story of children who were developing normally - often with videos to prove it - only to stop developing and start suffering bowel disease after the MMR jab. Moreover, vaccine- strain measles virus has been found in the gut of some children with autism and bowel disease.

Earlier this month Dr Jeff Bradstreet, a U.S. autism researcher, presented evidence to the Institute of Medicine in Washington showing measles virus in the cerebral-spinal fluid of three children with autism and bowel disease." (April 2004)

The CDC Budget has been cut by more than $500 Million dollars in the past two budget cycles.....

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/219871-casey-concerned-over-cdc-funding-amid-ebola-outbreak

And yes, you reject the exact same test that was used in papers you support...care to explain?

"Diagnostic 'tests' using PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) are literally fraudulent"

So you reject Sin Hang Lee's Gardasil claims, the finding of PCV in rotavirus vaccines, Wakefield's finding of measles virus in cerebrospinal fluid, and any number of autism-related gut-brain papers?

@David Burd,

Thanks for the shout out, but I can take absolutely no credit for the information provided, save for my research abilities of many years now. I find Jon Rappoport's journalistic integrity to be one of the very best. Sharyl Attkisson, ditto.

My red flag IMMEDIATELY went up when I read with horror that they are using the PCR test to 'diagnose' Ebola cases. I learned via research into the HIV/AIDS issue the pitfalls with various diagnostic tools that were touted at the time to be the BEST diagnostics available during the HIV/AIDS crisis several years back.

I actually had a hard time accepting some of the research I was reading back in those days, but I wised up in a hurry when our son suffered his vaccine reactions. Didn't get any clearer than that.

But yeah - hopefully those that read at this site will take a peek or two at some of the research that's out there re: this PCR/diagnostic issue. It's well worth your time and may help to put all this hysteria behind the Ebola crisis into some sort of 'middle of the line' mindset.

Sad to say, but in these times you absolutely have to take with a grain of salt ANYTHING you are told via our MSM. You HAVE to do your own research. Common sense, logic/discernment all have a place with any topic of the day. (I learned THAT the hard way, too.)

Oh, and you have Barry who doesn't believe this epidemic even exists...despite the figures being put out by the governments and medical professionals on the ground (a number of whom have also died).

Seriously, do you people ever look in a mirror?

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No Larry, I don't believe anything the mainstream media tells me. Not any more.

Especially when their lies are so adamantly endorsed by characters like you.

Sarah; actually, I suspect it is the other way around. Lawrence imo may be having a hard time dealing with the fact that gene research is a ridiculous waste of money with regard to most of the current children with autism diagnoses. That is why imo, he is having such a strong reaction to having it pointed out to him in this article. It is easy to get mad at the messenger when someone is telling you something you don't want to hear, but suspect is true.
And certainly I am praying for the Ebola victims in Africa. And wonder if some of the 50 % mortality rate is caused by lack of even basic medical care. You have people with a disease known to produce diarrhoea and vomiting, yet photos from inside hospitals show people lying in bed or on the floor without even an IV for hydration?
In terms of racism though, Lawrence, I would suggest that deliberately lying to African American parents about the 240% increased risk of their child developing autism following the MMR is pretty horrific. Shades of the horrendous infamous syphilis "research" without informed consent.
Lawrence, even Polio victims on ventilators, according to your other comment, should be happy with their status. It appears that you think as long as someone is alive, any type of medical harm is acceptable?
You might want to rethink that one...
I'm glad you post here. I think people here could give you a lot to think about, if you are willing to listen to what they say.

@barry - are you really going to claim that the thousands who have died in West Africa are figments of someone's imagination?

Wow, white privilege must be a bitch.....

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Yes to the figment part, for sure. I know who controls the media Larr, and they're more dishonest than even you are.

As for the white privilege shit…what makes you so sure I'm white?

Ha! Another good one! Look's like someone's been to medical journalism school . . .

Let's try not to look at Lawrence's comments as bait. It may even be more apt to accept comments from those like him as signals sent out from victims of the many forms of toxicity around us, including vaccines, that can cause brain damage.

It's been shown that people with certain kinds of brain damage cannot recognize sarcasm.

"Sarcasm and Social Intelligence
Not only is sarcasm not the lowest form of wit, but scientific proof has emerged in the past few years that understanding sarcasm requires social intelligence lacking in people who've suffered damage to a section of the right brain known as the parahippocampal gyrus. . . After presenting her findings at the American Academy of Neurology's annual meeting in 2008, The New York Times reports, Dr. Rankin was asked if a difference in brain areas could explain the inability of people with intact brains to detect sarcasm. 'We all have strengths and weaknesses in our cognitive abilities, including our ability to detect social cues," Rankin said.'"

How sad to live a life in which one might not be able to recognize certain forms of humor. Who would choose such a life? I bet brain damage makes it hard to appreciate irony, too.

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/sarcasm.html

Hey, Lawrence, here's something from The Onion for you on Ebola. It, too, is satire:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/cdc-attempts-to-put-ebola-outbreak-in-perspective,37109/

Your comments, Lawrence, are insensitive, and deliberately and unacceptably cruel. Shame on you.

I despise bully's. Love my family at Age of Autism..

Lawrence

"@kim. - at least your daughters are alive...."

And you accuse Kim of being tasteless.

Gallows-humor, as it is you are making light of a horrible disease that has already killed thousands and portends to kill a whole lot more (but I guess you really don't care, because they are Africans).

Again, you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

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Already killed thousands Larry? And we should believe this because …. the main stream media is telling is us that it's so???

There are only two places where the Ebola outbreak exists Larry:

1. In the mainstream media
2. In the heads of sorry asses like you, who are stupid enough to believe them

Lawrence I appreciate your concern for humanity, particularly people of color. Funny though, I see no expression of concern for Avone Oquendo - that post also ran today. I'll send you some smelling salts - appears you have the vapors over my Ebola satire. Have a lovely evening. I'm off to care for my daughters.

@Kim - death is no joke, but of course, you all seem to have no problem not only making jokes, but making direct representations of "death" when it comes to be people with disabilities.

Using something that is actively killing people today, especially something that we know exactly how it kills (i.e. its a virus, you morons) and that people have died attempting to control the spread of the disease - both health care volunteers (whom you tarnish every chance you get) who contracted the disease itself, plus those who have been killed by those clouded by superstition as well.

This may actually be worse than the cartoon that AoA published that represented "pro-vaccine" individuals as cannibals.

Claims are made here that you are "bullied and harassed" and then you wonder why people get upset when you make light of actual horrible diseases....and make an excuse that its a joke.

Sorry if I'm offended, but this is beyond the pale, even for AoA.

I think they need to fan out and go for the Marburg gene, too. They found a case of that yesterday. And what about the Reston which is not supposed to not be dangerous, and there are others. There apparently is long-range planning going on at the NIH as well as the CDC. Am I cynical enough? I don't mean to be, but my take on this is right now focused on curing people and not do more research that probably has been done to a large degree already.

Lawrence

No, it is exactly why no one should trust the NIH, CDC etc:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/17916-science-as-social-control-political-paralysis-and-the-genetics-agenda

To be clear Insel's pal Collins told Congress in April 2006 that genetics was a dead end for researching the causes of autism and eight and half years the IACC are still faffing around. The man isn't serious. Is it a dozen years he's been head of the committee but he blithely announces that the failure has nothing to do with him.

And then we have some poker faced nonentity like yourself come and tell us that we can't be taken seriously. But the fact is that the agencies are taking us all for a ride with one corporate initiative after another and any objective and informed observer is entitled to regard it as a macarbre and sick joke.

Now Guys; you can not really kid about this stuff because the insanity that is bounces around in the government this day and time - it is really hard to know if you are just kidding or if this true.

Yes, it crossed my mind 20 times or more that this just might all be true.

In December, a benefit to raise more money will feature Dr. Nancy Snyderman singing " Why Oh Why Oh Why Oh did I ever Leave Ohio?"