I would really like to connect with Dr. Wakefield. My son experienced regressive speech immediately following his MMR vaccination.

Patricia, the only reason that makes sense is that pharma runs Obama, Congress, media; it runs everything.

Carol

Deer knew that day that Wakefield had known since the 1998 interview in Newcastle that there were cover ups going on at government health service levels in Canada and the US about the MMR. In fact there were worldwide problems with it all along. Deer is one of the baddies Carol, paid to discredit Wakefield.

Patricia,

Because Deer mentioned CDC a sentence or two earlier, it occurred to me that he might be talking about that entity specifically.

Let us not be distracted.

IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ SECTION B, PARAGRAPH 1:

Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents

(a) Prohibited activities
The Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract) -
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.

(b) Exceptions Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section, the prohibition in subsection
(a) of this section does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:

(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.
(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.
(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.
(c) Informed consent required
The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described in subsection
(b) of this section only if informed consent to the testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing on that subject.
(d) Prior notice to Congress

Not later than 30 days after the date of final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense (whether directly or under contract) involving the use of human subjects for the testing of a chemical agent or a biological agent, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report setting forth a full accounting of those plans, and the experiment or study may then be conducted only after the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date such report is received by those committees.
(e) ''Biological agent'' defined
In this section, the term ''biological agent'' means any micro-organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring, bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism, pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of production, that is capable of causing -
(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;
(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or
(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.
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Researched this online and as far as I can tell, this is the law that is still on the books.

What constitutes "informed consent"? Written, or does just verbal consent suffice?

Should we be advocating for legislation for signed, full informed consent from parents regarding risks of neurological disorders before each and every vaccine for those parents that are staunchly pro-vaccine IN ADDITION TO philosophical exemptions for anti-vaxers' right to choose?

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BarbaraJ,
All vaccines can cause encephalitis from the immune system reacting overzealously to the vaccine. Since many vaccines are associated with autism, the hep-B, DTaP, flu, and MMR being the most common, I don't think it's from encephalitis caused by a defective measles virus the way SSPE is. Maybe ultimately we'll have many subdivisions in which to place different kinds of autism, and we'll see if some kinds are linked specifically to a defective measles virus, but my daughter never got the MMR, and yet definitely has autism.

Dan:

Good observations. It is hard, sometimes, NOT to see what Orac and his "anonymous commenters" are saying.

Of course, an analysis of the "commenter's" writing styles makes it appear to me that Orac simply reinforces his articles with comments from other fake personae he uses.

As I have said about reading what Orac and his band of unwashed doubtfuls has to say:

"It is kind of like walking through a park with your child in hand and suddenly a homeless person pops out of the bushes dripping dirt, smelling like a dead rat in a wall, spraying spittle in a ten foot circle, while screaming at you that YOU, Ronald Reagan, and Lindsey Lohan are conspiring against him, to put him, the homeless person, into a Yugoslavian tire factory."

But these days, over the whistleblower thing, as you have noticed also, Orac, in his writing, generates a keening sound, perhaps compared to the "Golum" character in Lord of the Rings.

And it sounds GOOD...

It is the sound of realization.

I read something disturbing, as if this mmr vaccine wasn't ugly enough. Is it possible that MMR causes an atypical SSPE, and this is autism?

Will cutting and running be good enough? Can they not be held accountable in a future court of law for propagating lies they knew to be lies for the financial gain and power it brought? The grunts ultimately punished for their part in the My Lai massacre tried to say that they had just done what they were ordered to, but it wasn't considered an excuse for criminal and immoral behavior. Will those not imprisoned have their wages garnished for life to give to their victims?

All the pharma trolls just cant get past the hard reality that they have just been beaten.

They remember me of Mike Tyson when Mighty Mike ruled the world (deservedly so)and when he got beaten he could not believe it and continued to get beaten badly and sadly.

Every dog has its days this is ours make the most of it people.

Thanks Dan.

MMR RIP

I like that - anti safe vaccinators.

Where do we look to see Thompsons daily revelations.
I keep thinking Ochmanns Razor. They "anti-safe-vaccinationists" are the ones convoluting themselves to make it okay to inject toxins into babies.
We have to make sure to alert on aluminum and the synergy between the toxins as well. ..lest they admit thimerasol and go on injecting unknown toxic waste of a new sort. Whistleblowers out there who are still torturing yourself for fear of what might happen to you --this is your chance to get on the heroic side of our generations thalidomide disaster. Because the damage was invisible it was easier to hide. And so the pharmaceuticals and the media decided they didn't want to know it or they didn't care. And it made them Rich and gave them a career. Or it was fun to have a new bully target. Or maybe some who know the truth people really believed the lies at first and when faced with the truth could not accept it and have been living a painful double life ever since. Tell us your story --how you felt when you found out --what you discovered and when. Prove it to redeem yourself for your part in this. it will set you free! And maybe save your soul. We know how hard it is to tell your truth to a group of skeptical people. We know becuse the media taught them to ridicule us. As Kent said being pariahs even within your own friends and families was not fun. We know that is what you are afraid will happen to you to. But when we you speak out --if you do right now --you have the fact that Thompson came out to help support you . This is the time We know there are more whistleblowers out there . Please. If a group of you come out en masse and do it right you can finally bring down that wall of denial and bring out the truth. And once we have the entire truth those great doctors and researchers out there can have the information they need and the research they need to not only stop neurological damage by injection but to work for a cure. Your truth can do a small part in beginning to repair the damage your complicity caused. It's time! Please do it for our children and young adults with autism, epilepsy, gastrointestinal issues. I see the wall of denial tumbling like a house of cards. Truth is the light at the end of the tunnel.

It looks like the Wakefield screen grab was a Facebook messenger message and not iPhone text.

I don't know why they would be so concerned about how the message was delivered though.

On the subject of "Science"blogs and Orac....

I noticed that Orac has now written two additional columns after his "last word" columns..poor guy is having to play "whack a mole" as additional tidbits keep coming out.

The latest Orac column that AoA references today is a fascinating display of group think. Reading the ever more ludicrous, increasingly desperate explanations for the surfacing of Dr. Thompson's apology is sickening. This is the same level of rhetoric and logical reasoning used by precisely the same people to argue that kids who descend into brain injury, seizures, epilepsy, narcolepsy, autism, and other disabilities "in temporal proximity" to vaccination are not being adversely affected by the vaccines. It makes me want to vomit. These are the people in charge of vaccine safety? Really? And they can't even figure out text messages, something my nine year old can do.

The brilliance of Dr. Thompson's statement is becoming more apparent each day. The first Orac theme was that Thompson hired a law firm to sue Dr. Hooker. Whoops! That turned to be as accurate as anything else he writes.

Orac is the cutting edge of the fascist pharma alliance. The trial balloon now being floated is that Dr. Thompson has done grave disservice to African American children by coming forward. The next card to be played will be that Thompson has gone insane and has joined the ranks of the "extremist anti vaccine nut jobs." That will be a hard sell- as more and more of Thompson's revelations are carefully revealed by his law firm, which to my mind seems refreshingly adept at public relations.

The smart phone apology is just one more head ache for Orac's crew. The hours of recorded conversations, and the thousands of documents controlled by Thompson, will prove to be devastating. The latest example is the recording of Dr. Thompson, senior vaccine scientists with the CDC, explaining that thimerosal is associated with tics, he would never give thimerosal to his own wife, and that tics are associated with autism at 4x the rate of kids who do not have autism. Who cares whether he knew he was being recorded? The operative question is simple, timeless, and relevant- what did he know, and when did he know it? The Wash Post and NYT used to ask questions like that- sadly, no more.

Expect MSM to again ramp up attacks on vaccine cautious families. The usual propaganda outlets are already at work- Today Show, Daily Koz, Daily Beast, NPR, PBS, as documented by Ms Dachel. The vaccine mafia is in the bunker, and the fat is in the fire.