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DogDoctorCartoonFrom Dogs Naturally Magazine.

Neurological damage is one of the most prevalent and least desired adverse effects of the vaccine process. By over-vaccinating canines, we are introducing a potentially serious danger into society: brain damaged dogs.

As Harris Coulter convincingly demonstrated in his book, “Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality” the unwanted consequences of human vaccination include sudden unprovoked violence in children. No wonder the British government has seen the need to introduce the Dangerous Dogs Act.

Amongst the vaccine-induced antibodies found in the Purdue study, autoantibodies to Cardiolipin were found. Elevated levels of anti-cardiolipin autoantibodies (ACA) have been reported to be significantly associated with neurological conditions.

The Merck Manual describes encephalitis as “an acute inflammatory disease of the brain due to direct viral invasion or to hypersensitivity initiated by a virus or other foreign protein … Secondary encephalitis, usually a complication of viral infection, is considered to have an immunologic mechanism. Examples are the encephalitides following measles, chickenpox, rubella, smallpox vaccination, vaccinia, and many other less well defined viral infections.”

Encephalitis has been shown to appear in dogs after vaccination. (Grene, CE, ed, Appel MJ, Canine Distemper in Infectious Diseases of the Dog and Cat, 2nd edition, Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1998: 9-22).

Writing in the Veterinary Record during 1992 (130, 27-30), AIP McCandlish et al state: “Post-vaccinal encephalitis is a recognised complication of the administration of certain strains of live attenuated canine distemper vaccine (Hartley 1974, Bestetti and others 1978, Cornwell and others 1988)”.

According to Braund’s Clinical Neurology in Small Animals: Localization, Diagnosis and Treatment:

“post vaccinal canine distemper encephalitis occurs in young animals, especially those less than six months of age. It has been recognised as a disease entity for a number of years, and is believed to be association with vaccination using live virus. The pathogenesis of this disease is unclear, but may result from insufficient attenuation of the vaccine virus which causes subsequent infections of the CNS; the triggering of a latent distemper infection by vaccination; other vaccine components; or an enhanced susceptibility of the animal (e.g., animals that are immunosuppressed).”

Merck states: “Symptoms of encephalitis may be associated with cerebral dysfunction (alteration in consciousness, personality change, seizures, paresis) and cranial nerve abnormalities.”

It should be noted that encephalitis is a spectrum disease, ranging from mild and undetectable, through to severe manifestations, and even death.

Read the full article at Dogs Naturally Magazine.


Grace Green

The hope is that vets (veterinarians) will be able to speak out on the issue more independently than doctors, thus making it obvious that the same must be true for children and adults as for goats and goldfish. Lots of people have pets these days and will observe the consequences of vaccines for themselves.


Monica; My doggy has been on and off sick for the last four years from her last vaccine - she developed a bad limp- weakness in her hips - it is the gift that keeps on giving

This spring she developed hot spots all over her body - some allergic reaction.
I changed all of her food, no more store bought dog for a while. She only had this summer - boiled chicken legs and thighs to make sure the bones are soft and safe for her to eat - plus a couple of bits of raw food, pureed carrots and lentils as a filler and plenty of the broth from the boiling of the chicken. The raw meat acts as digestive enzymes for dogs. Food problems is that just not a be a common thing after a vaccine reaction.

We now have started putting a little dried dog food back in - making sure no wheat is included at all. That is rather expensive.

Also at the farm store I bought her a bottle of vitamins and probiotics - that had the label - "For poop eaters" She has lost weight - that we could not get off before and looks great.


I took my dog to Petco for one of their "mass vaccination clinics" the day after I noticed that his head looked like he was having tremors. Also, Scruffy developed a weird thing, he started nibbling on material and he also looks a little paranoid like he's seeing things that aren't there.

Betty Bona

My sister-in-law always followed the recommendations of her vet. She has exclusively indoor cats, but vaccinated them with the complete schedule because that's what the vet told her to do. One cat got cancer at the site of injection of the feline leukemia vaccination. They had to amputate his leg. They told her that the shots used to be given closer to the body, but they changed to the leg in case cancer developed and a limb needed to be amputated. They worry about the cancer re-appearing, but otherwise the three legged cat seems to be doing well. I don't think pet owners are given any better opportunity to weigh the risks and benefits for themselves any more than parents are.

Betty Bona

I re-found a wonderful vet I had used for my cats when I was young a few years back who actually listened to me about my dogs. When I told him the fears I had about vaccines and the bad reactions I had seen, he simply told me to avoid any further vaccinations. When I went back a few months later to discuss chronic illness, he had retired. His replacement was just not the same. I wonder if the older vets are more aware of vaccine injury because they remember the days of very light vaccine use. Or maybe they went to school before the time of complete indoctrination. I wonder if it is connected to the timing of grants from pharmaceutical companies to vet schools.

cia parker

I agree with you. I've read that the rabies vaccine can cause excessive aggressiveness and paranoia, and that older vets said that dogs were much nicer before rabies shots started to be given. I understand that rabies shots have a place, I've never heard of them failing to protect from rabies, obviously a horrible and nearly always fatal disease, but also that even a single shot can severely damage or kill any recipient of any species. It's a hard decision. Dr. Don Hamilton thinks there's no need to give it to indoor cats or well-confined dogs, and even in outdoor cats, it would be a good idea to do a blood titer before repeating the rabies vaccine. From what I've read, I'd say in most cases the thing to do would be a distemper vaccine at 9 weeks for both puppies and kittens, repeated at 16 weeks when maternal antibodies had faded, one parvovirus for dogs at 12 weeks repeated at 19, one Purevax rabies shot at six months for dogs and cats, repeated at 18 months, and then one rabies booster every four years. Some breeds are more susceptible to vaccine damage than others, and probably should not be vaccinated at all. I give homeopathic Lyssin at the same time as a rabies shot, our vet is used to my fears about vaccines and is willing to go along with them.

Betty Bona

I have heard the microbiome researchers suggest that families with dogs have better microbiomes, indicating that getting a dog is helpful for kids on the spectrum. I would put some caveats on that. The best bet would be to get a mut that you know stayed with the mother long enough and never was vaccinated. Back at the height of the XMRV and ME/CFS controversy (can't wait to read Kent's book), informal surveys indicated a surprising amount of family dogs in the ME/CFS families that had similar symptoms. The thought was that maybe the XMRV virus was shared with the dogs. It could be a particular virus or maybe just a bad mix of gut bugs we're sharing with our dogs, but I believe families that own dogs with good gut bugs are fortunate, and dogs with bad gut bugs who join families with bad gut bugs are unfortunate.

cia parker

Animals are protected for five years to life by one, maximum two rabies vaccines. The rabies vaccine, even the new unadjuvanted Purevax vaccine, is dangerous and has killed or disabled many pets. It would be wise to have your cat's titers drawn before getting her another rabies vaccine, most pets who get a booster every year or even every three years have what Dr. Marty Goldstein called a nuclear arsenal of protection many times over what would be sufficient, and it often causes aggressive cancers in them. Dr. Lisa Pierson (catinfo.org) doesn't get her indoor cats any vaccines, and only gets a rabies booster for her barn cat every three or four years. Dr, Marty Goldstein doesn't give any shots to his pets after their minimal kitten or puppy vaccines. It is ironic that it has been known for many years in the pet world how dangerous the vaccines are for them, and that they took mercury out of pet vaccines in 1990,more than a decade before they took it out of most vaccines for children.


from this vet article


In more than 23 years of practicing veterinary medicine, I have been minimally vaccinating pets to keep them safe from the dangers of over-vaccination.

"I have compiled some short points to provide ...dog owners... with an accessible, easy to read guide to safer vaccination."

Dos, Don’ts (and Nevers!)

ask about measuring vaccination titers as an alternative to vaccinating adult or chronically ill pets.

avoid vaccinations such as Lyme, Bordetella, and Leptospirosis, which have questionable safety and efficacy.

give only one modified live canine parvo/distemper vaccination between the ages of 14 to 18 weeks; this can provide many years and often a lifetime of immunity In most dogs.

vaccinate young puppies under 12 weeks of age. At this young age, vaccination is not usually effective because of pre-existing antibodies from the mother’s milk.

vaccinate with multiple combination viral vaccinations at the same time.

vaccinate at the time of hormonal, surgical or emotional stresses, including at the time of any surgery, dentistries or while boarding.

vaccinate a pet who is ill with ANY symptoms, including those pets suffering from skin/ear allergies, and those with any digestive upset.

Betty Bona

I haven't had good luck with vets. All of my dogs are little, less than 10 lbs. One died shortly after I brought her home from distemper, possibly from a vaccination she received before I got her. None of the vets I saw admitted that as a possibility, but everything I read told me it was possible and even probable. I have two eight year olds now that I don't vaccinate, but, unfortunately, I gave them a couple in the first six months. I felt the pressure. After the second bad reaction for one dog, I quit until a vet promised me that a half dose would protect from rabies and not hurt her. Same bad reaction. Each time she lost a little and never recovered. Then I told the vets she looked like she had chronic fatigue syndrome. They laughed at me and told me to put her on a diet and walk her more. Finally someone checked her thyroid before a dental cleaning and tooth removal, but it looked fine. I knew she had a chronic illness, but couldn't convince a vet. A month after the dentistry work was done, she developed SARDS, a disease with no known cause and no known treatment that causes lifelong blindness in dogs. (Kind of like autism, a disease with no known cause and no known treatment that causes lifelong disability in children). The similarity doesn't end there. There's controversy about whether there is treatment and about causes. Of course I researched and took the info to the vets, but they don't want to hear it. I'm sure they don't believe that a non-vet could know more than they do. They're just quite happy to believe what they're told -- no cause, no cure.

The other interesting similarity is the support groups. People are out there searching for treatments and comparing results using the very few vets who have looked further. Also, there's a "window" where treatment has a better chance of success. I HATE windows!

My other dog can't be picked up without an awful growl with teeth and everything and sometimes a snip too. I wouldn't be able to keep her if she were bigger. Neighbors think I'm a bad pet owner if they see the growl or watch me carrying the chronically ill dog on walks. Reminds me of the looks I used to get during one of those awful tantrums. So, no, I don't think the world of pet vaccination is remarkably better.


Last year my cat developed a bladder infection that I took her to the vet for. Because I'm a terrible person since I should have known better, I asked if she could go ahead and get her overdue rabies vaccine. He said he wouldn't Give it to her so as not stress her immune system anymore. I said that was refreshing to hear since pediatricians would vaccinate a child with a cold. He said that he didn't agree with a lot of what pediatricians do.


This is interesting, it was my vet that told me to look for spikes in CA2 from thimerosal if I wanted to understand autism. He said it was hypoxic brain damage from the mercury.

cia parker

I have a lot of books by authors like Dr. Richard Pitcairn, Dr. Martin Goldstein, his brother Dr. Richard Goldstein, Dr. Don Hamilton, also Anitra Frasier, and Dr. Lisa Pierson at catinfo.org, and they are all VERY wary of vaccines for pets, as they have seen how often they cause cancer and/or autoimmune or neurological disease in pets.
Some of them think no vaccines at all is best, others say one, max two doses of distemper for either dogs or cats, parvo for dogs, and one, max two rabies shots for either is enough to protect them for life. No feline leukemia: it's a very dangerous vaccine, and most cats have achieved immunity by one year old. Kittens should be kept inside until they're old enough to not be at much risk. (I don't remember how long, six or nine months I think.) Purevax unadjuvanted vaccines are considered safer, but they still aren't completely safe. Yearly boosters have been given up by all vets who care more about their clients than about their own revenue. Just like with humans, babies should be kept at home to protect them, and given as few vaccines as possible. You should see the horrible consequences of vaccines as related by the vets I mentioned above, and vaccines created the syndrome of old dog encephalitis and canine cardiomyopathy. Vets created the disease canine coronavirus, apparently just to sell vaccines.

What a Racket!

Check your vet records! After my daughter had the post vaccine encephaletic scream reaction 30 mins after her shots, I looked at her MD visit history and interestingly there were cluster visits to her pediatrician - she'd get a shot and go right back to the Dr. office sick a day or two later. But she hadn't been alive for very long to establish this as a pattern. So I looked at my cats' vet records and I was absolutely appalled to find that every time each of my 2 cats got a shot they ended up back at the vet a day or 2 later!! Vaccines may or may not be preventives, but they sure are good for business. A great marketing tool that's guaranteed to produce additional revenue via followup Dr./Vet visits and meds.


Years ago my Great Dane developed red patches on her body - it was due to a drop in her platlets - we never could isolate exactly, though I did follow the yearly vaccination scheudle for dogs. After months of treatment, my vet said to never vaccinate her again. If anyone questioned the rabies, we'd run titers. She felt the vaccination was far more detrimental than any future risk. She also said that certain breeds were more commonly impacted by issues (though Great Danes were typcially known for it). its amazing that the vets know more about vaccine safety than humans.... guess they care more or is there less outside money involved?? Werent vaccines for vets the first to remove thimerosal years before (some) of the human vaccines...


I vaccinated our dog too early -the day I got her - barely six weeks old. Shame; She is a great dog.

The vaccines I am pretty sure had something to do with the pancreatitis she developed. She did have an accident - though; she got under the hay ring just as my son dropped it down and the hay ring did hit in that area of the pancreas. My son did catch it mid fall and eased the descent of the ring. She was fine for a month after that - although I notice she did have some tenderness in that area. I am thinking that the high inflammation of her immune system along with the area of the accident in that part of her body made a simple hurt - lead to more of a serious immune response.

Anyway she got over that and made a great dog. Did great in her training. Helps with the cattle, gathers up the geese every evening, and puts them away - She keeps the foxes in their place. Best of all she Leaves all chickens alone and respects them.

There is something to getting the immune system primed to finally react though.

Right after her booster rabies shot -- she came down with cushings. That looks like a bad case of arthritis in the hips, and she has became pretty fat. -- I have to be really careful what types of dog foods I buy her -- the wrong kind really causes bad flare ups.

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