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The Hate Debate: LivingWhole.org Tackles the Vaccine Debate

Hate DebateManaging Editor's Note: Below is an excerpt we encourage you to share from Megan, of the LivingWhole site.  From her bio, I have a degree in Political Science, a law degree, and am a Naturopath, Certified Natural Health Educator, Registered Power Yoga Instructor, writer, and stay-at-home mama. My better-half holds a biology degree, chemistry minor, is a Family Practice Physician, and is a Captain in the United States Air Force. Together we have four kids under three; and yes, we plan to have more.     We encourage you to bookmark LivingWhole.org.

I am sick of it – this vaccination debate. My convictions not to vaccinate have been firm for six years now and I was comfortable living a low-profile life and letting other more notable activists carry the torch; and then I started seeing misleading t.v. interviews, news stories, and backlash against parents and unvaccinated children. I saw reputable medical professionals get crucified and reputations destroyed for questioning the mainstream norm. I saw laws passed in other states removing freedoms that rightfully belong to parents and individuals as a whole. I saw fear, blame, finger-pointing, lies, and flat out hate being propagated and encouraged by people, physicians, and popular media avenues towards parents who don’t vaccinate, and their children.

This isn’t a vaccination debate, it’s a hate debate, so let’s call it what it is. And when it got personal, I got involved. Most importantly, I felt the need to clear a few things up:

I am not an “anti-vaxxer” or a “disinformation activist.”
I am a parent. Some people believe that parents can’t make an educated decision on this issue, that you should check all of your questions and reservations about vaccinating at the door and trust your physician, that is unless your physician also questions vaccines (or supports a delayed schedule), then he’s a quack.

Despite what you have been told, it takes no credentials, no formal education, and no “M.D” behind your name to take an educated stance on this issue – it only takes a brain…and everybody’s got one. Of course, if you decide not to vaccinate you’ll be harassed and told to pull your child out of public school. Funny how we do have the credentials to educate our children but don’t have the credentials to make an informed decision about vaccines. So put your credentials away, you didn’t need them to have a baby, and you don’t need them to raise one either.

All medical professionals who do not support vaccines are “quacks, hucksters or bold face liars.” This argument might have carried some weight when only one physician spoke out against vaccines; but today, there are so many that its conveniently suspicious that every single time a physician comes out in support of not vaccinating or recommends a delayed schedule they get attacked, discredited, and demoted to “quack status.” I’m sorry but these physicians sat through the same classes. They passed their licensing boards like all of the other doctors, many have the prestigious “M.D” behind their names too, but because they read the research and came to a different conclusion and had the guts to say so, they’re stance is somehow less credible?

Attacking these physicians (whether they are an MD, DO, ND, or DC) is a bad idea. It makes one look like a bully and nobody likes a bully – not on the playground and not in the grown-up world either.

Speaking of bullies, stop showing us pictures of sick children, telling us that there’s no link between MMR and autism, or telling us dramatic narratives of an “infant who almost died of measles.” According to a recent study published in the American Academy of Pediatrics, these messages elicit a “backfire effect” that only strengthens our deepest convictions – which to be honest, are based on a whole lot more than the autism debate. Is anyone else offended that a study was done where these misleading and one-sided messages were propagated among 1759 people to see if it would convince them to vaccinate? Is anyone else offended that these same tactics are still being used on us?

Read more at The Hate Debate.

Age of Autism editorial note (April 23).  The following comments from Jeff Hayes, producer of Bought, were reproduced on Dr Tenpenny's Facebook page:-

From the producer of BOUGHT, the movie:
There has been quite a drama playing out over the last couple of days.

My daughter Kacey (who is having her 3rd child in a few hours) had sent me a blog post about a month ago from a terrific blogger named Megan. Megan (the blogger) is a stay at home mom, has a law degree, is a naturopath, and she’s as sharp as a whip. She’s married to an D.O. who is currently serving our country as a Captain in the Air Force.

She wrote a post answering all of the “myths” answered by another bloggers post that had gone viral about 21 myths spread by the “anti-vaccination” people. It was smart, referenced, in short- terrific.

She took a lot of heat for it and wrote a second post about the “hate” debate, talking about how much hate had been generated by her post. The post was amazing. She cut to the heart of the debate and argued for kindness in dealing with one another.

Then suddenly yesterday night, the post was gone.

Her site was gone. All of it.

Had she been hacked? Had the pro vaccination groups taken her site down? Had she just forgotten to renew her domain. Nope, none of these.

We were able to reach her today. She took her site down on her own.

She’d been threatened, harassed, and terrified. They had her address, threatened to come to her home, contact her family, her friends. They threatened lawsuits and all kind of harassment. They had all of her data.

Then someone did show up to her house.

Enough. So she took down her blog.

Her blog was at www.livingwhole.org. You can see some archived pages on the wayback machine.

Holy cow, this woman is a Jesus-loving, clean food eating, home birthing, loving example of the finest we have to offer. She and her husband (an doctor serving our country) are in the midst of adopting more children and she doesn’t want to endanger her children. She could be your sister, your wife, your friend, and if you’re my age, she could be your daughter.

And these thugs have taken her off of the playing field, out of the conversation. Dang!

When I started filming Bought, I didn’t sign up for this. I make films to entertain, enlighten, and to stimulate debate-discourse. Discourse, not violence, threats, and intimidation.
We’re less than a month away from finishing. The film is great, the cause is worthy. Please stand with us. I don’t care if it’s $10, we need your name, your support, your voice.


Jeff Hays

PPS. Since I wrote the above message, I received an update from Megan, this is what she had to say: "I put it back up, just disabled comments. I know I will get harassed and at first I was fearful but now I'm just pissed. The last thing I want is for parents to stop speaking out because they are scared of what will happen to them. And we can't have that..."


John Stone


To be clear, yesterday morning when I changed the link to the web-archive the site had been entirely removed and only the provider's logo was visible. I am glad to note Megan has changed her mind and put it back up, but it is evident that some very unpleasant people scared her temporarily.


And...they can't promote vaccination on the merits of vaccination because the science and practice does not stand up to scrutiny. With $30 billion at stake and with the public becoming increasingly aware, it appears that over the weekend they have lowered their tactics a notch in resorting to sabotage. This is an attack on all free people. It isn't unfair to point the finger at them, as they have been threatening to shut down any conversations unfavorable to their agenda for some time, with Paul Offit et al most recently proposing intimidation, jail time for and litigation against anyone saying things he and his buddies at the Vaccine Dinner Club don't like. Bill Gates proudly announced a few years ago that he bankrolled via a grant to a Connecticut university the development of a database of "anti-vaccine" speech and sites. What were they going to do with that database?

We have a crime and entities who not only have a motive, but who many times have threatened to commit it. And I do not think that it is a coincidence that this has occurred right before the mainstream and very visible release of several documentaries, including "Bought" and "Just a Trace".


Jeanette and All,
I am aware of other blogs that have been hit with a flood of spam at the same time. This has the appearance of a full fledged attack on the flow of information and ideas that deviate from what Pharma et al are promoting 24/7 everywhere else. The exception, of course, is that where it is, so far, legal for them to influence main stream media outlets, academia, and the halls of government at the deepest levels, and to plant bots around the net, humanoid (Reiss) and programmed, they have up until now not been able to crash conversations where they have been, with good reason, excluded by moderation and by the protection of free speech. This is criminality, plain and simple. Let's hope that we still have enough people who are aware, who are in a position to oppose this attack on our democracy, who cannot and will not be bought, who will see it for what it is and will not only stop it, but will prosecute the offenders and those who pay them to conduct these hits.


I don't have any trouble accessing the site--unless I try to access it through AoA.

Jeannette Bishop

Jeff Hays has emailed Bought supporters about harassment Megan has been subjected to. One has to ask why vaccines attract the support of people willing to go so low? I can think of much better ways to promote vaccination, assuming they are so wonderful to the point that some somehow think they deserve the violation of basic human decency to promote, like studying how healthy the highly vaccinated are compared to those who refuse. What kind of people want everyone (or is it everyone else?) vaccinating in fear and ignorance? Is this aggression motivated by fear of facing one's own potential victimization, or is this just an indication of the character behind the vaccine program in general, some of both (or possibly a side effect simply of being injected with inflammatory compounds in and of itself)?


The site is back up.


We've been saying for a long time that they will attempt to shut down the flow of information on the internet. It looks like we've arrived.

Miriam Mason

Just wanting folks to know this entire domain is gone, and along with it, this article. I found it at archive.org here https://web.archive.org/web/20140417234446/http://www.livingwhole.org/the-hate-debate/">http://www.livingwhole.org/the-hate-debate/">https://web.archive.org/web/20140417234446/http://www.livingwhole.org/the-hate-debate/

I truly wonder what kinds of threats she received to have taken the entire site down shortly after publishing this article.

Cherry Sperlin Misra

Excellent article. I particularly appreciate that the author is taking the debate in HER direction . We have , too long, let the hate mongers take this debate in the direction that they like. We need to continually bring up the questions that they have no answer for, and as we see in this article, there are plenty of those. Only one suggestion- The author needs to say more about mercury. The pharmaceutical companies would be quite pleased that she has not said much about that. I mean can anyone find even one senior mercury toxicologist who could say "Its not likely that mercury is linked to autism" . Putting mercury into human bodies is so dumb, so stupid, possibly so evil , that it approaches science fiction. And ditto for aluminium. We need to go on the offense, saying "Mercury into the fetus- mercury three times into the child by one and a half years. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for telling us to accept vaccines . There is someone here who needs educating and it isnt the parents "

Frank Mulkearns

You mentioned in your article hat the AMA has been around since 1847. That's a funny coincidence in that it's the same year that Ignaz Semmelweis advocated for doctors to wash their hands because he observed a reduction in patient mortality linked to hand washing.

His observations challenged the "establishment" and he was discredited as a quack. Now we understand why hand washing works and it is standard practice. What hasn't changed is the reaction of the "establishment" to heretics like Semmelweis.

Technology has advanced, but the practitioners of modern western medicine would still be practicing bloodletting if someone hadn't challenged it. Thank you for some great writing.

 Bob Moffitt

Megan .. great article .. full of interesting information that raise critical questions regarding the numerous inconsistencies that abound in our national vaccine program.

Reading your plea to "take the HATE out of the debate" ..

Samuel Johnson once proclaimed .. "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

I would suggest that "Hate is the last refuge" .. for those who cannot intellectually persuade others to abandon their own common sense .. and .. be made to comply as ordered.


Well said

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