Danchi,

AOL, CNN, MSNBC, ABC all suck.

Just in

This is not an issue on other alternative sites or anti-vaxx as you would call them is because the moderator normally is one of the editors or writer of the site. Such as in case Vac Truth. Jeff is the moderator and he also writes articles. Gaia, run by the late Heidi Stevenson ran the site and was also the moderator. Huffington Post had what people began to refer to as the moderator police or Nazi moderators because they had free reign to do whatever they pleased. They were allowed to censor comments they didn't agree with despite the commenter following the guidelines, they would hold comments for a day or more before posting if the comment proved the article posted was untrue or misleading. This was acceptable to HP and it got worse when AOL purchased it. ABC, MSNBC, CNN have deep pockets and they contract out.

But that's not the big issue as you know. The bigger issue is the abuse of the trolls on all MSM sites and the free reign that MSM sites give them.

Danchi,
Could we do the same to their comments? Do you want to contact me by private email to talk about banding together to do so? [email protected]

Strong got back this response to their complaint of censorship. Just a brush-off. ABC wants to appear democratic and eager to allow all sides to express their opinions, but it is only that, appearance, while they madly cut most of the comments critical of vaccines, to give the impression that there is a world consensus that vaccines are very very safe, while chickenpox is deadly. End of story. Don't care about the dead and disabled children many commenters had seen, just care about vaccine profits.

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Cia, I chose to have my children get chicken pox and they were fine. They even swam in polluted lakes. We don't overuse the anti- bacterial products which I think can be a factor for some of the secondary problems that can happen.
I would report the censorship. You have given ABC many chances and this is wrong.

To talk about vaccine safty some act like it is worse than profanity!
Thanks Cia -- your tireless!

Danchi, I would add that it's important to keep reminding people when they dredge up stories about being being blinded or whatever by measles etc., that its a little more involved than parents just getting a damned measles shot. They now have to get MMR-V in many cases which has a higher risk of febrile seizures. Today's parents are forced into combo shots (and so many shots,period!) that I don't think single or older people even realize how complex or "grey" the subject is. I think the general public (who is comprised of many parents) is just getting tired of the black and white manner in which the topic of vaccination is presented. It insults our intelligence and doean't serve anyone. In fact, I daresay it leads people to just distrust even more what is happening in terms of these "health interventions."

The great commenter Be Strong posted this two hours ago, saying it was the third time he/she had posted it, on the deletion of comments policy at ABC. They deleted it the first two times, and I probably got it in the nick of time.

"This is the third time that I have submitted this post:

"A Note About Comments Being Deleted" by Natalie Gewargis, Oct. 1, 2008, ABC News

"There is an outside company that monitors comments, which ABC News hired. If some of you have had comments deleted in the past that did not contain an outside URL, and were not in other ways a violation of ABC News policy (against profanity, or defamatory attacks, for instance), please post them and tell me when they were deleted and I will forward to the people in charge. The goal of the comments policy is to create a forum for lively but civil debate.

I take very seriously the charge that there are ideological considerations being given to our monitoring blog postings. ABC News takes the charge very seriously as well.

Posters of all political stripes are more than welcome to contribute lively and civil comments."

Cia
A lot of the shills there and elsewhere have recently simplified their message so that they put only: Vaccines do not cause autism.

That's right out of Edward Bernays playbook. All governments, corporations and Wall Street use it. Make the message short and repeat it often. When I read article such as the one on ABC and Yahoo where it was up this morning I read it with these two quotes in mind:

*If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

and

*All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

Both quotes of Adolph Hitler, a believer in the Bernays approach to mass manipulation.

I haven't commented on ABC or CNN lately. The last time I commented on CNN was during the Texas measles outbreak. Of course I was hit with what I call the troll clown car where one troll, probably a team leader makes some sort of bullying comment that include name calling and than 4-6 other tag along and their only comments are name calling-thus the clown car. I just started calling them out and telling them I know what they are doing and it's not working. I demand they discredit the information I have posted and stop trying to distract others from reading it.CNN also held my comment for at least two days before it was posted. The last time I commented was on Raw story, another measles outbreak and the one response after I told the trolls none of them discredited the information and if they couldn't-they were just blowing smoke because they were trolls. That one response wanted me to present my information as if I was presenting it in a court of law. After I stopped laughing, I responded by putting as much of the Simpsonwood transcript as I could online, I put names and Drs quotes which proved the CDC has been lying for over a decade, I put Dr. Hookers recent information, CDC information on live viral vaccine shedding etc. That response must have been at least 7 pages, not what the person was looking for but my purpose was to put as much information out there because someone will read it. I believe the only was to counter the "vaccines work and are safe" and "vaccine do not cause autism" lies is to saturate the boards with counter information with links to "official" data, demand proof when they say vaccines work, demand independent studies, when they save vaccines have saved millions of lives-I ask for data and studies-independent of course.

The lies of the pro-pharma vaccine industry must be countered. I feel you must give people alternatives and where that information can be found. I also don't feed into the "hook" when they call me an anti-vaxer. I tell them people have the right to information-informed consent is a federal law which is violated by the medical profession every day. It is the constitutional right of anyone, parent or adult to question what is being injected into their body, ask where are the studies, side effects-etc. It doesn't make a person anti-vaxx, it demonstrates responsibility. It what a parent does. It what a Grandparent does or any relative that is concerned about the health and well being of a child.

I read an article on Family Health Freedom Network http://www.fhfn.org/these-9-magic-words-prove-that-vaccines-cause-everyday-harm/
a couple of sentences from the article:

"The next time you visit your doctor, after your doctor is done telling you how safe vaccines are, ask him this question with the 9 magic words:
“If this vaccine injures my child, who is responsible?”

Your doctor will likely blush, get angry with you, or avoid the question altogether. What the doctor will avoid telling you is that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe! This means that even if vaccines are handled and given properly, some children will die or will be hurt.

The reality—and the answer to the question—is this: You are responsible if your child is injured!" (I add on that the vaccine industry has blanket immunity and give them the link to the article http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-man-behind-the-vaccine-mystery/

I've started ending comments with this. Some of my comments have not been responded to when I do this. I don't see any other way to counter the lies of the pharmaceutical industry. The MSM will not because profit, greed, arrogance, denial, control of all information, and protection of careers are the reasons the system continues to operate. There are too many with too much to lose if the truth should be known.
http://www.vacfacts.info/index.html

Thank you, Benedetta, you have encouraged and comforted me. A guy there last night said I must not have a life to spend so much time commenting. I said I think this is the most important issue of our time, and most people are not aware of the truth and how they are being bullied, manipulated, and lied to, for vaccine profit.

If that is what they are doing Cia - then yes to shorten them -- after all unlike them you are not a robot just a very passionate on the subject person.

Danchi,
A lot of the shills there and elsewhere have recently simplified their message so that they put only: Vaccines do not cause autism. Period. DR, who's apparently off for Passover, says: Vaccines do not cause autism, asthma, or allergies. Is that simple enough to stick in people's minds as the gospel truth?

Proponent put up this comment thirteen hours ago, to justify their censorship. I had said I was outta there, no point in wasting my time if they take most of my comments down.
"You've posted near a dozen times since your statement above about being 'outta here'.

And in sofar as your friend's comments being deleted.. I am guessing it might be that this site at least respects and acknowledges that it is not helpful to anyone if..

"... allow others to speak their mind in the belief that an open forum benefits everyone. However, there comes a point when allowing fallacious comments regarding vaccines to share equal time with legitimate questions causes distress to parents needing information."

And two, comments posted such as your friend, 'guest'.. should never make it past moderation regardless.

Careful.. 'guilt by association'.. will taint any arguments you put forth if you continually upvote that kind of crap.
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I'm ba-ack! But I'm putting up shorter comments, so as not to have wasted too much time enumerating the facts if the editors take them down. I'll see later if they were allowed to stay up. Did you see the Age of Autism article this morning about the censorship being carried out here? (Good-bye comment!)"

cia parker, Yes - censorship is the nuclear weapon of PharmaHell Power (this includes our criminal CDC and NIH abetting the pharma industry).

America's complicit news media is not limited to only censorship, but willful manipulation and omission of anything that refutes our unaccountable criminal CDC and NIH. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, so demonstrated every day in every way by America's civil servant (hah!) leaders.

It's even worse from that. I had only glanced at the story, and didn't notice this, but a more observant reader did, commented on it yesterday, and immediately turned the tide. Abbey did not die of a chickenpox infection, although that is what the headline says. She got chickenpox, but, because she had no spleen, never recovered her health before she died several months later of pneumococcal pneumonia. The shills then tried to blame everyone not only for not having vaxed her for varicella (which would have been contraindicated had they known she had no spleen and was more prone to vaccine reactions), but for not having given her a vaccine for pneumococcal pneumonia. The child died in 2001. Dr. Mike said that Pneumovax had been on the schedule for some time, but that is not correct for the U.S., maybe it was in the U.K. where he is. One of the shills said that Prevnar had been put on the schedule in 1993, but that is not correct: it was never offered to my daughter from her birth in May 2000 until and including November 2001, when she got the fateful DTaP booster that erased her only two words. They offered her the varicella vaccine at that time, which I refused. Prevnar was added at the clinics here in 2002, after Abbey had died. But sure, let's spin it to make everyone feel guilty or worried and vax.

Many comments have been deleted from ABC's story. If you look at it, you'll see MANY "comment deleted" insertions, with just allusions in the following comments to what had been there. A comment of mine about the true history of the smallpox vaccine, one about the stupidity of the worn-out pharma meme about correlation and causation: science is FOUNDED on the fact that correlation OFTEN means causation. And many more. Two more commenters said last night that their comments had been deleted, very good ones, a number of very intelligent vaccine critics, including John, had commented and been censored.

For a while the talking point was, wouldn't you rather have an autistic child than a dead one? I said last night (I don't know if it's still up) that that wasn't the issue, the issue was whether it was a good or a moral idea to compel vaccination against the parents' wishes, or even with them as long as they are not well-informed, if it ruins the minds of 100,000 children to possibly save the life of one. Do the ghosts of the children who would have lived to lead happy, normal lives had they not been vaccine-damaged not count? The vast, vast majority would never have gotten the VPDs vaccinated for, or, if they had gotten them, would have had the typical mild or fairly mild cases and recovered with permanent immunity. So there is no way to elude the question: how many deaths equal how many lives of vaccine-caused disability? Would it not be better to educate parents on how to protect against the diseases in young infancy (breastfeeding and avoidance of daycare, preference for single caregivers) and how to care for the diseases when they occur (antibiotics when helpful, naturopathic, vitamin C and A therapy, homeopathic, bed rest, adequate hydration, NO Tylenol or other fever reducers)?

One very aggressive immunocompromised woman insisted that everyone HAD to give their children Varivax, as it otherwise put her in danger. I said that there was no mandatory vaccine for most adults, and that most of us are decidedly not up on all our vaccines, that why would you have a right to endanger the lives of innocent children by forcing vaccines on them? It is not moral to say that children MUST get vaccines even when their parents think it's too dangerous to do so: this is to say that a certain number of deaths and cases of disability from vaccines are acceptable on the theory that it might protect a few immunocompromised people from getting a dangerous or fatal case of the disease. Are their lives worth more than those of innocent, healthy children?

I had said that food allergies were nearly always caused by vaccines (especially peanut allergies by the Hib vaccine, citing Heather Fraser's The Peanut Allergy Epidemic). There were no peanut allergies anywhere in the world until peanut oil was used to adjuvant penicillin shots starting in the 1940s, at which time they appeared. There is NOTHING better at creating an allergy than injections of anything. The bloodstream was designed to be a closed system, and the immune system is programmed to react to any foreign substance appearing, ANY vaccine ingredient, by reacting to it with sensitization and an autoimmune response when encountering it or a similar substance again. Another shill informed me that that was not true, that the ancient Greeks had described peanut allergy. I put up that peanuts were first cultivated in Paraguay, not leaving the New World until some contemporary of Pizarro, that Lucretius had never SEEN a peanut.

So there you have it, all of the pharma tactics compressed into one article and its shill commenters: manipulate, exaggerate the dangers of chickenpox, deny the dangers of the vaccine, try to make people feel guilty for not vaxing their children, ignore the fact that immunity would wear off in adulthood, when the disease can be more dangerous, bully with the fear of lawsuit, lie, and, when all else fails, delete the comments of the vaccine critics. So that what is left gives the overwhelming impression that the vaccine is safe and absolutely necessary for everyone.

I am so sorry the child was born with out a spleen.
I am sorry that a little boy is buried close to my sister - who died of in the womb rubella - heart complications in 1976.

It is now 2014 and I am also really sorry for my children's brain injuries, that it is epidemic that my friends have lost their young adult children to drug addictions, or heart attacks, or still have their adult kids still living at home and always will from brain injuries too.

It is a choice of two evils.
As a young parent - I would go with - what is best for my child -- just my child -- I am not responsible for the rest of the world's health problems.

DOes that sound selfish?
Parents are suppose to be selfish when it comes to their kids. It is their job.

David, Danchi

You wouldn't say you were getting any more from Schaffner than advertising copy - but actually if it was advertising there might be greater sanction against loose statements. There is little about this that he can state as fact. This is one misuse of the media. Someone can come on loaded with professional interests, make statements which are both insupportable and potentially damaging, and no one can do anything about it.

From the Vanderbilt website btw I have this:

http://pediatrics.mc.vanderbilt.edu/interior.php?mid=7059

"Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program

"The Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program is improving the lives of children, families, and the community by conducting scientifically rigorous and ethically sound clinical research. Our goal is that tomorrow will be better than today.

"The Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program is one of only eight Vaccine Treatment and Evaluation Units (VTEUs) in the U.S. to receive a new contract to continue evaluating innovative vaccines for malaria, pandemic flu and other infections over the next seven years. The program is recognized internationally for its work on vaccines against serious childhood infections including respiratory syncytial virus and haemophilius influenzae"

Thanks John, What is (of course) kept out of "news" stories about a baby dying from such as chicken pox is that most always the child has been treated with any number of toxic antibiotics that, in fact, can actually bring about fatal reactions. But the Pharma Propaganda Machine (leading the gullible Press by its collective noses) conveniently suppresses the entire truth and just screams "DISEASE" to fear monger the also unwitting public.