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Somebody should make a biography of Coy Barefoot, the author of Thomas Jefferson on Leadership.


What the vaccine manufacturers and scientists said back then - and it is even in "A Shot in the Dark"
That the three vaccines play off of each other - it is a synergy.
It took all three to make the immune system react to each like they wanted it to.
They are in there together the same reason that aluminum is in there with it all.

My son's fourth and fifth DPT -- lacked the pertussis part of the vaccine - after his immediate and horrible reactions.


Excellent interview! Would love to have it in text form for quoting.


P.S. Plus of course most babies don't even need four doses of pertussis vaccine, but that's another issue.


Sometimes I wonder - and this is just a thought - I don't know - would it be safer to vaccinate infants for pertussis alone, or pertussis and diphtheria, and leave tetanus for later? A little baby who doesn't know how to crawl yet is not at risk for tetanus. And diphtheria is very rare in the U.S. these days. Infants are more at risk from pertussis. The down side of giving single shots is that each shot is another dose of preservatives and adjuvants. But combo shots may make the immune system more confused, overstimulated. Also, since the pertussis shot isn't very effective the schedule demands four doses. But do babies need four doses of diphtheria and tetanus vaccine too? Adults only get the tetanus vaccine every ten years. Maybe they should consider giving a pertussis-only vaccine, and then pertussis-diptheria later, and pertussis-tetanus even later. Because there is a risk for pertussis, they give four doses of diphtheria and tetanus too, which is typical overkill philosophy - the more the merrier.


Just goolge National Vaccine Information Center DPT.

They don't mention mercury and aluminium being the problem as much as the pertussis itself wether whole cell or in piecies being a big problme reported by pharma - its own self.

As far as history - pior to Mark Baxill's picking up what happened from the 90s on to now -- you already got the highlights.

Pior to the excellant "Age of Autism" book;
there was the "Shot in the Dark" book -about 2 plus decades more or less earlier.

Birgit Calhoun

I have to wade through all that information some day. Is all that online and in a readable form and not all dry material?

Louis Conte

Mark did a great job here - clear and strong. Excellent in tying in the passage of the Act in 1986 with where we are now.

Mark is also right about the need for Congress to do what it is intended to do.

I spoke a few years ago with a someone who had some knowledge of English children who were part of the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES). The conclusion of that study was that DPT did cause encephalopathy in rare instances. The NCES is why encephalopathy is on VICP Table of Injuries. This person told me that many of the injured but ambulatory children in the NCES had what we now call autism.

Autism has been part of vaccine injury since day one.


Barbara Fisher has it all written down in the archives of The National Vaccine Information Center.

As far back as 1970 Pittman documented the DPT causing hypoglycemia in infants.


Hi Birgit:

The DPT shot in the 70s was so bad that there were enough parents; along with Barbara Lou Fisher to get a Congressional Hearing on it. .

They said that the DPT shot caused autism like symptoms.

It was the DPT vaccine that drove the pharma companies to approach Congress; threatening that if they were not protected from law suits they would have to stop manufacturing that vaccine.

That was what was behind the reason that Congress passed the 1986 Vaccine Compensaton Court.

It was not untill well into the 90s that -after UK parents lead the way to get what they said was the safer DTaP. Parents in the United States were outraged at the slowness of our own US governements slow response to change from the DPT to DTaP. Darn slow they were too.

aP means instead of that whole cell of pertussis -- they used a partical cell instead.

But from personal stories form my daughter's young friends and thier kids - it appears to still be a darn bad vaccine.

Birgit Calhoun

Listening and agreeing with what transpires in the interview, I got to thinking about the history of vaccines and I thought to myself that when I received vaccines when I was a child I received a shot that came from a single dose, and also there was no DTaP. I remember the doctor taking a small glass ampoule from a shelf and using a little tiny saw to saw off the top of this little bottle from which he then drew all the fluid that was inside and injected it into my arm. There was only one tetanus (T) shot, not any P (pertussis) nor any D (diphtheria). All the vaccines were given separately. I know this because I worked at a hospital pharmacy in the '60s. That got me to thinking about the history of the combination of DTaP and what I found was this: DIPHTHERIA, TETANUS AND ACELLULAR PERTUSSIS

It says that "This case study provides an overview of the U.S. experience with DTaP B the combination vaccine that includes diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis components. While DTaP is a relatively new vaccine, first approved for use in the U.S. in 1991, its history spans well over half a century and its story in many ways reflects key developments in immunization markets,
infrastructure and policy.

In tracing the history of DTaP, this review is divided into four sections: (1) The Legacy of DTP; (2) Initial Development and Licensure of DTaP; (3) Market History: Production, Supply, Purchase, and Pricing Issues; and (4) Future Directions for DTaP."

Reading further it says that the combination vaccine was first tried in the '40s. Apparently this combination vaccine was never used in Germany where I grew up. What the history tells me, though, is that the currently used vaccine was first approved for use in 1991. I find that interesting because apparently there must have been problems with a previous version.

My question now is: What prompted the revamping of the pertussis component at that time? I haven't read the article above. But my train of thought leads me to be curious about that.


Great interview.
I could listen to Mark's voice all day long.
There were so many good points that I feel kind of picky to mention this.
But going back to fewer vaccines like just four DTPs or even the DTaP will still gives us maybe milder or less autism - but I bet bipolar and other mental health will be still be very high.

The age group that was vaccinated in the 70s and early 80s have been lost in my community to drug abuse; and drug abuse is comorbid to mental health.

On top of those we have lost to death, jail and moving away to get out of their drug social connections -- there are also a whole lot of 30 + year olds that are not drug abusers, but they still live a home -- and I mean they are very immature socially.

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