A statement above:

"Trust me, we (and other educated parents) will win."

In what ever realms are you being "educated" and eschewing professional expertise? Do you defend yourself in court? Do you design and build your own freeway bridges?

Jen,

Quick clarification…I messed up on a pronoun…baby in question is a boy. Apparently, the mom is not going to take any action. This is so unfortunate, as she actually has a case against this doctor b/c he violated Federal Law when he did not give her a VIS which would have alerted the mom it was a 5-in-1 vaccine, not to mention he clearly did not discuss the risks and benefits (!) of each of the 5 vaccines, not to mention the risks and benefits (!) of combining them into 1 pentavalent vaccine. If he had done any of that, she would have known that her baby was receiving the Hep B, DTaP, and polio all in that one evil needle. She could go after him on that, insist that he document the baby's adverse reactions or add that to her list of complaints if he refuses, and then take his report to the adoption agency to show why she won't be allowing any further vaccinations "at this time" (i.e. not ever!). It's like a free pass to avoid vaccines for this newborn until he is legally hers, and she isn't taking it. My friend has discussed all of this and more with her, and she's just rolling over and actually going to take her baby back to this same doctor. You can lead a horse to water… Tragic. Praying she has an epiphany, and changes course in the next few days.

Thank you, Nora. I passed along your recommendations…much appreciated!

Laura,
Make sure this woman gets a CBC done along with a metabolic panel to start. And a follow up CBC should be done weekly. and do not leave it to the pediatrician to read results. They make fantastic claims. If the CBC is flagged be sure and seek out a specialist. Pediatricians do not understand much of the blood work results. And then make sure the mother gets copies of all medical records and sees results. Oh if I had only sought the blood work done on my grandson when he first became ill. Make sure she has the head circumference done also this month and next. A CK test also and ammonia. Lactate and pyruvate levels with ratio. Also tell her to tell them that she is seeking a mitochondrial expert.
Make this pediatrician understand that she has science to back up these test and that she is willing to pay for the experts.

Hera, since there are hardly any 'single vaccines' anymore, I could even live with the doc telling her that it was 'one vaccine' if it was a DTaP (three doses, 1 vaccine/injection) but for him to give the baby a '5 in 1' and try to downplay it is pushing it.

I would just love to hear Dr Hickies' medical advice on this case.
Just my own personal opinion here ( NOT medical advice..we await on Dr Hinkie or some other medical doctor for that)
Firstly , any doctor who lied to me about what they were injecting into my child would never see me again.

At this point,I'd be politely calling up the doctors office and tell them that I have found another doctor. And find another one, fast. And get them to document what happened.
Personally if this was my child, I'd want to know if they had an underlying mitochondrial disorder, and be willing to pay for the testing out of pocket. And if I had to travel three or four hours, or even take a plane flight once a month to see a doctor who I trusted to take care of my child, I'd be willing to do that.
And I would inform the adoption agency that my child was under the new doctors care.
Also, I don't know what the legal options are, but I would certainly be paying for a lawyer at this point to discuss courses of action.
If I absolutely had to go back to the doctor who lied to me, I'd be asking a lawyer to draw up something fro the doctor to sign which says that the shot was given against parental wishes, and that the doctor waives any protections and agrees to be held financially liable if the child develops autism or any other neurological problem as a result of vaccine injections.
At least that way if the kid goes down, there is money to provide life long care.
heart breaking situation.
Dr Hickie, waiting to hear from you.

Thanks for the info, guys, and btw thanks AoA for caring about kids who have autism even if it means asking some tough questions.
Dr. Hickie, back to the question at hand (which is admittedly second-hand information) and which I think is very instructive as to the challenges for caregivers and health professionals. *If* this baby had a serious observed side effect to Pediarix then 1) should the mother not get an opinion from the doctor as to this? 2) If the doctor simply brushes off this serious side effect (as outlined by CDC) should she get a second opinion? 3) Why would the CDC note this as a serious side effect if it is not heeded? 4) Is the child protection agency acting in the best interest of the child if they disregard the CDC's own recommendations as to side effects? Note- if doc and child protection authorities do not respect what parent documents, would you consider that bullying or pressuring? I sincerely think this example cuts to the heart of the matter. I hope that you have the guts to answer.

Good one Dan speaks volumes for all of us much appreciated. Ass for Hickie read outside pharma dogma...

Laura, I just looked it up- extreme drowsiness or fussiness is considered a serous side effect and shouuld be reported (vaccine is called Pediarix). And that is from the CDC site's info. While not feeding for a day or so may not be too serous, not feeding for 5 days is surely worrisome. Dr. Chris, waiting for your advice....

So Dr. Hickie, given the situation that Laura Hayes mentioned about a friend's adopted baby having what could be a vaccine-reaction (considering that they actuall do happen), what would you recommend she do? Get a second opinion? Proceed anyways and document? I highly doubt you will have the guts to comment on this.

P.S. CONGRATS and THANK YOU Kim, Dan, and Mark on the 6-year anniversary of this excellent daily blog! You guys rock and are to be commended!

Mr. Hickie (I now reserve the title "Dr." for those who "First, do no harm," so that disqualifies you),

The definition of bully is "to use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants." That is what you, and the majority of your pediatrician colleagues, do day in and day out...you use your position of authority (that of the revered doctor who is supposed to be knowledgable regarding health) to intimidate, scare, coerce, strong-arm/force (by threatening to call CPS or other agencies) parents to vaccinate their children…including many who come in not wanting to vaccinate their children, but who succumb to your bullying.

I just heard from a friend, a former tutor for my vaccine-injured son who knows better than to vaccinate her own child, who recounted a tragic bullying story that just happened to her friend. This friend looked high and low to find a pediatrician for her adopted newborn, one who would not force the CDC-recommended vaccine schedule. She thought she had finally found someone, as he agreed he would be amenable to delaying and spreading out the vaccines (not that I find that a safe or advisable solution whatsoever). This new mother took her 2-month old in and he said, "I'm just going to give her 1 vaccine today." After he vaccinated her baby, she was horrified to learn that he had actually given her baby 5 vaccines! Apparently, the baby received a 5-in-1 vaccine…the Hep B, DTaP, and polio. He LIED to her! The story gets worse, as for the past 5 days since receiving the vaccines, the child has slept around the clock, has not been eating normally, and has not had healthy bowel movements. Sounds like a SEVERE vaccine reaction to me! This woman is so intimidated by this doctor that she feels pressured to keep her child's next appt. in 2 wks. at which the child is scheduled to be injected with more vaccines! My friend will be trying to knock some sense into her before she allows this doctor to harm her newborn further. Perhaps she is worried this BULLY/LIAR of a doctor will report her to the adoption agency (he made sure to find out the name of it) if she doesn't continue vaccinating her child. That appears to be the case as she just received a letter from the adoption agency requesting monthly updates on the baby's vaccination status. What she (and the doctor and the adoption agency) should be worried about after these clear adverse reactions to vaccines is that her baby is going to end up with "autism", chronic health issues, developmental delays, and/or be killed by this "doctor" and his never-ending vaccines. You sound a lot like him.

Perhaps you haven't heard, but God gave us very efficient immune systems (that is, until we destroy them with vaccines, GMOs, pesticides, and the like), and furthermore, he designed mothers to transmit their immunity to their children via breast milk. Tragically, all of this utterly absurd vaccinating has destroyed a mother's ability to pass on full immunity to her children because she has not developed proper immunity due to her own vaccines. Perhaps that is why you are supposedly seeing more pertussis. Perhaps it's because doctors no longer advise mothers to keep their babies at home for the first couple of months, to keep them away from non-family members for the first couple of months, and then to keep them away from those who are ill. Perhaps it's because doctors no longer encourage mothers to nurse for a minimum of one year. They are all for passing out the formula samples and telling them it's just as good as breast milk. Perhaps it's because of all those unnecessary trips to doctors' offices for "well-baby" visits where they are needlessly exposed to all sorts of germs, and then go home vaccinated, never to be "well" again, and then making return visit after return visit to the doctor's office as their parents try to figure out what in the world is now wrong with their once-healthy, once-normally-developing baby. Oh yeah, and all the while you are hearing the cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching as all these unsuspecting parents who were never given any version of true informed consent now have chronically sick, atypically developing children. Perhaps it's because the vaccine, despite dose after dose, DOESN'T work…DUH!

You, Mr. Hickie, are a bully of the first-degree. Anyone who would try to force an experimental medical procedure on a patient (yes, that is what vaccines are), especially one that has a multi-decade-long track record of harming and killing, is worse than a bully, and should have their license revoked.

God help your patients. May they have an awakening and run as far away from you as fast as they can before you harm their precious children with your arrogance, ignorance, and bullying. And God help you, as you seem to care not a whit about the harm you are doing to infants and children of all ages, and to their families who will be left to pick up the pieces.

Yes, please, Dr. Hickie, do return, we look forward to your attempted rebuttals.

Congrats and thank you - TannersDad Tim

Clearly, Chris Hickie's hysterical post is only anecdotal evidence, but the sheer numbers of such examples we're witnessing with increasing frequency, does seem to indicate that we should be paying more attention to claims of former medical students who escaped to such refuges as Bastyr, etc., that MK Ultra techniques are now being resurrected for use on unsuspecting med students, entirely wiping out the capacity for independent thought.

Or could it simply be too much exposure to Super Hero cartoons during a critical developmental period?

Whatever the cause, I'm so glad zombies of this variety don't feel they can speak in public without identifying themselves with the familiar string of identifying letters, or at the very least, without wearing a stethoscope strung around their pulsing necks. Helps us identify danger and keep our children safe.

CMO,
And VietNam just stopped giving the hep-B vaccine to infants when it killed several there in one day. Would the US EVER take a vaccine off the market if there were no replacement for it in the wings, just because it killed a bunch of people?

Dear Dr. Hickie, Would you please post where we can get the "facts and logic"? Thanks, a non-thinking mom

Dr Hickie "doth protest too much methinks"...

I have seen Dr. Chris Hickie's comments over at Forbes. It is laughable that he claims to refute vaccine concerns "with facts and logic". Usually he is just making vague unsubstantiated statements that vaccines are safe and diseases are dangerous, and deriding people, and making generalizations about the "anti-vaccine" people who according to him all advocate for "chemical castration". He cannot even make a coherent on-topic argument.

Dr. Hickie has now joined the Dr. Offit club. Congrats.

Perhaps Dr. Hickie will drop back in and tell what percentage of his AAP practice comes from billing vaccines to insurance companies.

I would guess about 80% as with all the rest...with no professional responsibility of any kind.

How sharp does a parent have to be to ...figure out something 100 times... more common than polio ???

The wisdom of the AAP starts the day of birth with the four-dose hep b vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease for which the baby is not at risk.

Four doses are needed as the first three do not work, and adding the vaccine to the US schedule came from a study done in Vietnam...

Mr. Hickie, we propose that you take all vaccines in the world and inject them to yourself and your own family. I am sure, you will never get pertussis while rotting underground. We choose pertussis, mumps, measles, chicken pox, flu etc.

Make no mistake, Dr. Chris Hickie. You are not the good guy. I bet you have never even seen what is happening in the classrooms for todays children. Many people in fact do not trust you or your "science" studies. I think some of you (the ones who are not paid trolls) are suffering from some form of 'reaction formation.' You do not want to even entertain the idea that you are causing harm.
You are not winning as people are choosing to opt out of some of the schedule (hep b at birth, chicken pox and hpv vaccination come especially to mind) and more doctors and researchers are speaking out about concerns that the vaccine schedule has gone too far, unchecked. Your precious vaccination program is now being exposed more than anything as a money grab which may be very counter-productive to the idea that there may be some vaccines actually worth having. Many are realizing that it is always an option to home school (especially as many of the school systems do not stack up so well internationally anyways).

Dr Hickie,

Personally, I would have been deeply grateful if my son had been spared the adverse effects of DPT vaccination, particular since the dangers were widely known about years before, but we made the mistake of trusting people like you. Also, I note that I caused some embarrassment a few years ago when a Nuffield consultation gave whooping cough as an example of disease being eliminated by vaccination, by pointing out that it was a vaccine of particularly poor effectiveness - there are many studies pointing to this. Indeed, the vaccine is failing, it doesn't work very well and all you can do is vaccinate ever more people ever more often (and now pregnant women despite the lack of trials). This may be a very good route for the manufacturers, but I wonder in the circumstances whether we wouldn't do better looking for more effective treatments for infants.

Yes, it is bullying. You just want people who have seen it go wrong to disappear - that's what happens to the collateral damage in war. With vaccines it is very easy to devise propagandistic, and bureaucratic methods to bury the devastation - in the UK we are even better at it.

Unfortunately, we know the virtues and vices of the medical profession and most often when things go wrong they can't be seen for dust. If you really wanted to display good faith you would want to know about our experiences: you would be listening, you would be concerned, you would be taking notes - not hiding behind a heap of junk statistics.

John Stone, UK editor

Bring it on you pseudo-intellectual puppet.