"The introduction of the pathogen into the infant may be the part of the infection process with the LEAST effect on the disease outcome."

The introduction of the pathogen into the subject may be the part of the infection process with the LEAST effect on the disease outcome.

It is the subject's inability to deal with the pathogen that is NORMALLY the problem. A strong immune system is USUALLY all that is required. "Vaccination" is destroying our kids and OUR immune systems.

How much simpler can things be?

Most modern "disease" IMO in today's USA is a result of eating man-made crap and sitting on our butts. Hard to accept knowledge, but we are ignoring it to our continuous demise. Note drugs and Medical Treatment will not help you solve this NURTITIONAL and EXERCISE problem.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_disease.htm

“I would like to begin by proposing that we use the terms vaccinated and unvaccinated instead of immunized and unimmunized, since the basis of the vaccination controversy is the belief of many parents that the vaccines do not produce a true immunity', but rather act in some other fashion--or, in my view, that they act immunosuppressively.” Doctor Richard Moskowitz, MD

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_natural_immunity.htm

To add to the non-vaxer's arsenal IMO normal "childhood diseases" appear to be part of a salubrious immunodevelopemental process and help build and strengthen the child's immune system. Many of these "childhood diseases" can be one or more orders of magnitude more dangerous if first contracted in adulthood.

Get sick when nature commands it; only get a little sick; get well quickly; get stronger; live long and prosper.

Lou,
Thanks for your insight and thanks too for sharing the link to Dr. Humphries' paper on whooping cough and Vitamin C. I recently saw her on youtube saying that she only recommends sodium ascorbate and I was looking for more information.

"So, it appears that the vaccine itself is what is introducing the virus into the population and endangering infants."

We have tons of evidence that this is so and not just for the "pertussis vaccine" but for "vaccination" in general. Let us never forget that "vaccination" is the practice of injecting toxins into our HEALTHY children with NO clinical trails to show us the benefits and risks.

The USA is 45th in childhood mortality world wide. Please consider this the largest clinical trial possible.

DEC 2006 "Gulf war syndrome is positively linked to the vaccination of veterans." New York Times, Note 100,000 vets with GWS, 20,000 dead, squalene key suspected toxin, mycoplasma found in thousands of vaccinated vets with GWS

1992 Lancet, Journal of the British Medical Association, reports (3/7/92) that the oral polio vaccine used in the mid 1970's to treat recurrent herpes was contaminated with a number of potentially dangerous retroviruses, and may have seeded HIV among Americans'.

"In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage." The Lancet, 21/9/91

May 1987 The Times of London reported on its front page that smallpox vaccine administered by the World Health organization had triggered HIV/AIDS. 100 Million Vaccinated Africans are at risk. Areas with highest vaccination rate show highest HIV/AIDS rates. Robert Gallo, discoverer of the HIV/AIDS virus, defends those figures and says, "AIDS researchers will keep their mouths shut because they are paid to do so."

“Dr. Sabin then introduced his "improved" vaccine with "attenuated" or "weakened' live viruses in 1958, and the following year his vaccine was made to be compulsory (mandatory) in all school-age children in a number of states. As a result, polio increased a whopping 300% in these states. For example, Tennessee reported 119 polio cases in 1958, after "vaccination" this total increased to 386 cases in 1959, Ohio ­ 17 cases in 1958, 52 cases in 1959, Connecticut ­ 45 cases in 1958, 123 cases in 1959, and North Carolina: 78 cases in 1958 compared to 312 cases in 1959 AFTER forcing compulsory shots in school children. The modern record is equally damning. The ONLY cases of recorded polio in the modern era is immediately following vaccinations. The conquering of polio had NOTHING TO DO with the vaccine needles and swallowing sugar cubes. In fact, as author Ed Haslem documents so well in his book, "http://doctormarysmonkey.com/" Dr. Mary's Monkey, the Sabin vaccines were actually contaminated with mutated GREEN MONKEY VIRUSES (SV-40 viruses to be specific) which has caused untold millions of SOFT-TISSUE CANCERS and deaths worldwide. (The cancer "industry" has reaped BILLIONS of dollars from this "contamination" over the years, of course.) "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU" Dr. Maurice Hilleman has actually confessed as being a part of this very activity.”

In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961." Science 4/4/77 Abstracts

"My baby got the DTaP at 2, 4, and 6 months, but caught pertussis anyway at a La Leche League meeting at 8 months old, and gave it to me."

What probably happened was both you and your baby had sub-clinical scurvy as do MOST of us who are not eating well and not watching our vitamin C intake. Had both of your vitamin C levels been higher you both may have been able to easily defeat the pertussis pathogen.

A major cause of your babies low vitamin C levels is "VACCINATION" which burns up a LOT of vitamin C removing the "vaccine" toxins from your baby's blood stream. IMO the DTaP is designed to do just this and other immunosuppressing actions. Six immunosupressing DTaP toxic injections are apparently not achieving the immunosupression in our children desired so they are pushing a seventh on us. Are we this dumb?

Incidentally sub-clinical scurvy is the MAJOR CAUSE of much of CVD, which kills half of us, and is a MAJOR contributing factor in MOST "disease".

Pertussis outbreaks are occurring in both the "vaccinated" and the far healthier un-vaccinated. Often the un-vaccinated show LOWER rates. LOL! Clearly something else is causing the outbreaks.

Doctor Suzanne Humphries PhD using Hillary Butler's paper has written a pertussis prevention and treatment paper (Manual) that, with the same distribution as the toxic and TOTALLY inefficacious "pertussis vaccine", could TOTALLY remove pertussis as a threat in our lives. Of course truth about disease does not pay well and thus HHS instead of promulgating this vital health information SUPPRESSES it.

Imagine a world where your "Pediatrician" would tell you, ,,,

"Mrs Jones in the dark and dangerous days of "vaccination" we used to "vaccinate" for pertussis and then a wonderful and insightful team of women brought us the simple solution FOREVER. Please read this paper and we can discuss it. I will answer all your questions and give you the HHS protocol for vitamin C for your child. I strongly suggest you also read this paper on vitamin D. We have found the repleting your baby with vitamins and other nutrients OBVIATES almost all need to drug the little tykes."

Find a way to remove the criminals from "government" and it WILL happen. IMO spreading the truth about "health care" is a good way to expose the criminals.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/09/07/vitamin-c-for-whooping-cough-updated-edition-suzanne-humphries-md/

"There are so many doctors and scientists who disagree with the germ theory and the BELIEF that vaccinating is necessary to survive in this world."

Yes the "germ theory of disease" is clearly the KEY disinformation that had to be sold to raise the allopathic treatment scam for mostly nutrition caused "disease" over those more nature based nutritional methods of prevention and treatments that actually WORKED.

Most modern "disease" IMO in today's USA is a result of eating man-made crap and sitting on our butts. Hard to accept knowledge, but we are ignoring it to our continuous demise. Note drugs and Medical Treatment will not help you solve this NUTRITIONAL and EXERCISE problem.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_disease.htm

""New research confirms the whooping cough vaccine is failing at a higher rate than expected, and scientists are considering adding a seventh dose to the national immunization schedule"

Oh how softly the knife is slipped between the ribs.

No it is not another dose of the "pertussis vaccine" that is to be "added". It is another toxic brew of THREE "vaccines" the most horrible DTaP. It is my opinion that the DTP and its only slightly less toxic DTaP successor is nothing but an immune system depressant.

“Let’s take whooping cough as an example. In 1979 Sweden withdrew use of the DTP vaccine on the basis that it was not effective and possibly unsafe. The fear, of course, would be that with lower vaccination rates, the death rate would increase. So what happened in this case? A 1995 letter from Victoria Romanus at the Swedish Institute of Infectious Disease Control indicated that deaths from whooping cough remained near zero. Sweden’s population was 8,294,000 in 1979 and 8,831,000 by 1995. From 1981 to 1993, eight children were recorded as dying, with the cause of death listed as pertussis. This averaged to be about 0.6 children per year possibly dying from whooping cough. These numbers show that the odds of dying from pertussis in Sweden were about 1 in 13,000,000 even when there was no national vaccination program. [6]"

"In New Delhi, India, prior to 2000, ASD/PDD (autism spectrum disorder/pervasive developmental disorder) symptoms were rare – typically only occurring in children who were vaccinated abroad. However, after the Indian pediatricians began recommending, in 2000, the addition of triple-dose Thimerosal-preserved Hib (Haemophilis influenza B) and Hep B (hepatitis B) vaccination programs to the existing Thimerosal-preserved triple dose DTP (diphtheria toxin, tetanus toxin and pertussis toxins) vaccination program recommended by the Government of India, the incidence of a childhood ASD/PDD diagnosis increased to 2 % to 4 % of vaccinated New Delhi children.” Doctor Paul King PhD

“CDC data shows 84 percent of children under the age of 3 have received at least FOUR DTaP shots—which is the acellular pertussis vaccine that was approved in the United States in 1996—yet, despite this high vaccination rate, whooping cough still keeps circulating among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. More likely than not, the vaccine provides very little if any protection, and this was evidenced very clearly in a study published in Clinical Infectious Disease.” 81 Percent of Whooping Cough Cases Occurred in People Who Were Fully Vaccinated

As Doctor Suzanne Humphries eloquently points out all that may be required both for the prevention of pertussis and the TREATMENT of pertussis is good old VITAMIN C.

“Here are a few functions of vitamin C, using whooping cough as the example: 1) The front line function of vitamin C is to bond with, and neutralize, circulating toxin, …. With whooping cough, the body manages the toxin until it runs out of vitamin C. Then the toxin builds up, the cough intensifies, and there is breakthrough into the blood. In babies with subclinical scurvy, (which the doctors never recognize …) the blood brain barrier weakens significantly – which can result in toxin going into the brain.” Vitamin C for Whooping Cough. Updated Edition. Suzanne Humphries, MD

I suspect this prevention and treatment by vitamins and other nutrients also holds for MOST serious cases of NORMALLY harmless childhood diseases.

How about NPD nutrition preventable disease?

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_pertussis.htm

Minerva,

The CDC reports that there are 1 in 88 American children with autism and 1 in 54 boys dxed with autism. There's been a 15-20% increase in autism approximately every 5 years in the US. And you think this all genetic? Really? How profoundly clueless you are. For your information my son's chromosomal microarray test came back "normal" per the lab report yet he regressed at about 18 months after he got his vaccines. so, you see, contrary to what you believe, kids with "normal" DNA are regressing into autism. Autism is more likely the result of exposure to environmental toxins (poisoning) not primarily genetic. Yor thinking feeds into the eugenics mindset.

Dear Chris,

We are much smarter than everyone else. :-) Sorry if that makes you angry.

Happy Thanksgiving and God Bless,

Susie

Hey Lou,

My husband and I have been researching vaccines for over 25 years. And you know what? There are so many doctors and scientists who disagree with the germ theory and the BELIEF that vaccinating is necessary to survive in this world.
We have two grown children who are vaccine-free and the healthiest people I know. I am so sick of the vaccine believers blaming me or my children for spreading disease...as they have never had anything worse than a cold. They have never had ear infections, asthma, flu, leukemia, cancer or any other disease that is considered normal these days.
So go ahead and believe the doctors who make a great living off of injecting garbage into your children's bloodstreams. Way to go, Dad!

"We are the first generation of women in this country to be raised from day one with the idea that we are just as smart, just as worthy, just as capable, and just as equal as anyone else. And we believe that."

Yes and with just a few dozen hours of research we can KNOW more than our "Pediatrician" about the worth and risks of "vaccines". With our self confidence we can stand toe to toe with these tyrants in white and ARGUE, demanding facts and ANSWERS.

In the end we can state: MY decision is my son does not get this series of "shots'.

Way to go MOM!

ttp://www.vancouversun.com/business/Universities+including+opting+academic+freedom+report+says/9188289/story.html
More sickening news, friends. This now happening in Canada.

Dr. Hickie:
I read here (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/dr-christopher-hickie/tucson-arizona-85747/dr-christopher-hickie-worthless-doctor-tucson-arizona-216851)
that you have called Child Protection Services a number of times, and that the cases were dismissed. Of course I only know what I read at that site, but it made me wonder if you might have called CPS if a parent declined to vaccinate her child the way you thought she should do. Again, I'm not saying that you did, but the site said that there were notices (warnings?) about you on the bulletin boards of several schools in your area. Would you care to comment on this?

Dr. Hickie:
I'm rereading the second edition of Dr. Sears' The Vaccine Book, which has mini-charts in each chapter indicating for each vaccine-preventable disease on the schedule whether it is common, severe, and treatable. There is NO VPD which is is all three of them. Polio, rotavirus, and the MMR diseases are the only ones not treatable, but polio is inexistent in the US, M, M, and R are usually mild (except rubella for fetuses), and rotavirus is common, but usually relatively mild even for infants, the only group sometimes in danger from it. There is no VPD both common and (often) severe. But if you read his section on aluminum in vaccines, it is chilling to the bones. He presents the evidence that the "safe" dosage of aluminum for infants is 25 mcg, but that the normal schedule of vaccines injects hundreds of times that amount into babies in the first few months. He presents the studies showing that premature infants getting aluminum in IV solutions have a high rate of neurological and cognitive damage at 18 months, and animal studies showing that animals getting amounts of aluminum comparable to what infants receive sustain severe damage, having stored a lot of the aluminum in their brains and bones. The aluminum tangles in the brain resemble those found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients. He presents Dr. O's CHOP brochure saying that because breastfed infants get a certain amount of aluminum in the breast milk, that means that having much greater amounts of aluminum injected into them and absorbed quickly into the blood must be safe. (!) He says that while drugs and IV solutions containing aluminum must have warning labels on the packages, that vaccines, often containing much greater amounts of aluminum, do not, that they must have some sort of exemption to prevent parents from learning of the danger. Mercury is still in many flu vaccines, which, when stored in the brain, as it is in many people, causes many kinds of severe damage. A flyer for Flumist at Schnucks grocery store now recommends giving the mercury-containing version to infants over six months and everyone else up to 65 (except pregnant women, for whom it recommends the "preservative-free" version.
And these are only two of hundreds of serious and frightening dangers of vaccines. Why do you think we are arrogant and foolish to refuse some or all vaccines, when their risks are so much greater than the dangers of the diseases? Just because those hawking the vaccines tell us to?

But Benedetta, Minerva wants it to all be so 'black and white.' She needs to be less angry and get that in life there is grey.

Minerva,
Be angry at Pharma and their buddies who are lying and telling you half truths and manipulating: nature in ways that they don't understand, you so they can get into your pockets, and you again, to turn you against your neighbors to protect not your children but their profits:

""There are several theories as to why we're seeing more pertussis," said Dr. Kenneth Bromberg, chairman of pediatrics and director of the Vaccine Research Center at the Brooklyn Hospital Center, in New York City. "One theory is better diagnosis. A second [theory] is that the vaccines are not as good in terms of longevity as the whole-cell vaccine was. The third theory is that there have been genetic changes in the strains of pertussis, such that it makes new strains immune or relatively immune to the current vaccines."

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2013/02/06/some-whooping-cough-strains-now-outsmarting-vaccine

That was in February 2013. Here it is as early as 2010 from The Daily Telegraph:

"Whooping cough strain now immune to vaccine
BY DANNY ROSE THE DAILY TELEGRAPH FEBRUARY 11, 2010 12:00AM
THE bacteria that causes whooping cough has mutated, eroding the protection provided by the vaccine now given to children, scientists warned yesterday."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/whooping-cough-strain-now-immune-to-vaccine/story-e6freuy9-1225828959714

An 8 week old is best kept away from other people until they are older and stronger. Exclusive breastfeeding on their demand for the first year with foods added to their human milk diet after that will go a long way in protecting them. You won't hear this from Pharma because they not only sell vaccines, they also sell the formula, for a multi-billion dollar profit that they hope will replace breastfeeding, which is free.

I agree with you that no one in this day and age should be dousing their lawns with chemicals, but abstaining from that practice will not protect anyone's kids when they are injected or otherwise exposed to vaccines containing chemicals and substances just as dangerous.

Minerva and all,

I think that we all come to our personal beliefs due to our own life experiences. For example, I would very likely have a similar feeling as Minerva had I not witnessed vaccine reactions in my own children. So, Minerva, you can be angry all you want at us... but just know that you know NOTHING about our own life experiences. How about the babies who die from vaccine reactions? Are you angry about that? Do you not believe that happens? How about life altering vaccine damage? Doesn't happen...? There's a part of me that wants to bash you and call you names... but the other side of me, just feels sorry for you. You seem so caught up in your own life experience, that you cannot see many of the life experiences of others here. Open your eyes and your heart to the stories around you. Know that they are true... And then realize that you are venting at people who for the most part believed as you do at one point in time. For many, they are here because they followed their doctors recommendations, they wanted to do the right thing, they wanted to protect their babies as well as your 8 week old baby. We are not the problem. I assure you.

And another thing... it's crazy to me that you seem to be at least minimally concerned about GMO's and toxic lawn products ... and yet want to give injecting toxins into babies a free pass. Why is that? Interesting sociology project there.

I'm an angry white college educated woman. I'm angry at all the mothers not vaccinating their children. I'm angry that my son almost died at 8 weeks old because of contracting pertussis from someone that decided not to vaccinate their toddler. I'm angry that people can't seem to accept that autism is in your DNA !!! Blame the GMO'S , blame all the toxins you put on your lovely green lawns. I live in the city so that I don't have to deal with all the crazy white college educated woman that are happy to put toxins on there lovely green lawns but then blame vaccines for all their kids problems. Now thats crazy!!!!!!

I would like to know how many children Secy Duncan has raised and educated. Being a Being a Mom is an education in itself. I had three neurotypical children before my second son regressed into autism. Does Secy Duncan think we just wanted to to happen to our child? Really...does she think it is normal for a child to stop talking and playing with toys at two years old? Did she have teachers call for help with her child? As a Mom of 4 and grandmother of 7, I have seen alot of people like Secy Duncan put down and disrespect people, not just stay-at-home Moms,but others who in her eyes are not as successful (even if we are college educated). AND, this is a person who is running our educational system. Really sad. We educated our son...it was hard, it was a battle, it was different than the public education system offered. Wake up to autism, Duncan. If you had been my son's Mom, he would have failed to be educated.

Moms Against Duncan (MAD) facebook group was created to bring outraged mothers together: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MomsAgainstDuncan/

One of the founders of MAD also founded Special Ed Advocates to Stop Common Core, and all four admins of MAD are actively involved with the Special Ed Advocates group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/249171258560458/

Julie, you hit the nail on the head. I am Kathleen, Co-Founder of Moms Across America. We agree with you. And there are LOTS of us. Together with Zen Honeycutt, I co-founded Moms Across America with a mission to educate all mothers about the dangers of GMOs and the accompanying PESTICIDE heavy farming. This generation is consuming record amounts of glyphosate (Roundup) and Bt Toxin every day. My boys have an autoimmune condition that was at a minimum exacerbated by this, but that is, as of yet, not in the medical books. Vaccines may have contributed as well as genetic testing has shown some damage took place after birth. There are hundreds of thousands of kids who have been affected. I have had it! I will be contacting you to talk about how you might be able to join the conversation among us mothers (any race) who have open eyes and who can see how our children are suffering from what is a decidedly corporate interest in Washington. We "EDUCATED" moms are joining forces because unlike many, we have OUR EYES OPEN. We are all MAMA BEARS. Sorry if Chris is not comfortable with that. It is due to that whole "instinct" thing, that and the unfortunate fact (for him) that we are educated. I have spent years researching because no one in "the establishment" could explain what was going on, and I and mothers like me are HELPING THEIR CHILDREN. People like Chris are only good at looking the other way and pretending that there is no health epidemic going on. momsacrossamerica.com

One thing, kind of in defense of Dr. Hickie is that at least he is putting his views--I hope this doesn't encourage him to try to change this part of his practice--out there for all to see/read far and wide. While I don't know if he recognizes he can't force a vaccine, I appreciate him making it clear to those that value the right of such fundamental self-determination to steer clear. That experience in the other thread with a doctor deceptively giving "just one" five-in-one-vaccine (I think as Dr. Tenpenny describes it, more than 5) is ... hard to put into words.

@Bayareamom, thanks from me also for the quotes from Dr. Mendelsohn. I've been listening a little lately to Dr. Eisenstein describe his experiences with him and how he was a Project Head Start director, which I didn't understand to be the case. So, here was another doctor working with children, who actually was in a position to observe the effects of large-scale vaccination practice in children, believed in at least some of them at first, and obviously had no financial or career incentive to speak out against them, but did?

..."to maintain the illusion. And when that doesn't work there is the "other team" to blame in our "two" party system, never mind how much "bi"-partisanship was involved in setting up the policy), or if we have been systematically indoctrinated to turn our trust against our own instincts and even experience?..."

..."Some "experts" probably know they are playing a dishonest game to advance or keep their position..."

YES - absolutely.

"It also seems some truly believe they are "experts" because the system has told them so as it puts on them the "expert" pedestal..."

YEP.

"Those who speak out about what they know or see likely to be a problem when it goes against the "mainstream" are marginalized, often mistreated, to our detriment..."

YES; happens all the time.

Jeanette,

One of the HARDEST things I've ever had to do, was learning to never put someone - anyone - up on a pedestal. Rest assured, that person that's up on that pedestal (I don't care who it is), will come tumbling down, whether through default or some other reason.

We are all controlled to a certain degree, i.e., controlled by our mass media (significantly controlled by corporate interests, most especially big pharma), our educational system, etc. We've all been indoctrinated into so many false belief systems, it's hard to know where to begin. Learning to think for ourselves - to think outside that box - is something we are told isn't appropriate. We are 'taught' through others, i.e., grandparents, parents, teachers and other so-called authority figures, to listen to THEM, because they know best. Those that have higher education are taught, as Mendelsohn's quotes below testify, through FEAR and ARROGANCE that they know best.

But that's the illusion! They DON'T always know best, but neither do we. But what we CAN do is to listen to our own gut instincts - our hearts - or whatever you want to call it, and learn to trust our SELVES. And I see that in this movement...this vaccine/autism/anti-vaccine, movement.

Even as a kid, I've never flowed with the mainstream and boy, did I ever pay a price for that. What I went through as a kid I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. But it taught me something about myself. That I didn't need to validate myself through someone else's eyes.

I've still made mistakes along the way; we all do. EGO rules in so many ways. But I love a saying that I saw on another blog I posted something on.

A woman wrote to me and said, "Reality is often scoffed at, ILLUSION is KING."

That's a really powerful statement - in so many ways.

This entire vaccine issue was THE platform which propelled me to other sort of 'awakenings.' This world really is not what it seems and for that matter, neither are some people you may know. But unfortunately, it takes most of us that proverbial bash over the head - or bullet to the temple - to WAKE the hell up. Did for me, anyway.

I loved what you wrote, Jeanette; it resonates.

"What you sadly prove is that you can go to college with minds of mush and graduate college with an even mushier mind--full of arrogance towards any/all who don't agree with you."

The amount of hypocrisy in that statement would make Rush Limbaugh cringe...

It's funny how they are half saying "think for yourselves," "don't be a groupie" at the same time really saying to "get with the mainstream," "stay with the group."

Attacking the few for not being quiet about the negative effects of what may be the most immune-toxic, neurotoxic-neonatal-government-recommended environment ever employed on this scale and now seeing government further claim that some of the results of this "mysterious concern" indicate we need to give them more "control," this time in education...

I'm feeling less and less educated lately and more and more misled. I've had to really look at the effects of "healthcare" in my life and those around me. I'm also now relearning U.S. history a bit. Do you know how often the problems we "needed" government to fix were already stemming from government involvement in the first place?

I'm trying to figure out if it is in human nature generally to trust "leaders" over ourselves, which might be a good thing in a morally governed society (I know some of us have been raised to believe we, "the people," govern, but the representative elements of our government have been neutralized or bought to a very great extent, and I think we are often left to just adopt policies as our own, identify with them no matter the actual effects to maintain the illusion. And when that doesn't work there is the "other team" to blame in our "two" party system, nevermind how much "bi"-partisanship was involved in setting up the policy), or if we have been systematically indoctrinated to turn our trust against our own instincts and even experience?

But even when life forces one to get over that somewhat, wherever it comes from it, is still really hard to have the time or resources to verify and research everything for oneself. Some "experts" probably know they are playing a dishonest game to advance or keep their position. It also seems some truly believe they are "experts" because the system has told them so as it puts on them the "expert" pedestal. Those who speak out about what they know or see likely to be a problem when it goes against the "mainstream" are marginalized, often mistreated, to our detriment. Thank you.

I heard the "apology" this morning....didn't sound like an apology to me. He said it was "clumsy" but not that he regretted saying it or that it was misinterpreted. That was no apology.

So, Chris Hickey, it is ok for educated, middle and upper class white men to make fun of and bully anyone who doesn't believe as they do? That is exactly what you, Paul Offit, Arne Duncan, Gorski, et al do every.single.day. As history has shown us repeatedly, not a good strategy.

I can't emphasize enough how important the parental rights amendment is.

Seems like the "hysterical soccer moms" whining about vaccine issues have more and more PhDs backing their arguments every day.
Johns Hopkins Scientist Slams Flu Vaccine
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Headline/influenza-virus-flu-vaccine-Peter-Doshi-Ph-D-/2013/05/16/id/504942

Chirs Hickie;
I see you have made a comment on at least two articles.
If you will let me, I will try to help you.

Let me explain to you how it is personally, since you want to gloss it over in part of your comment;
"They go in with a mind full of mush, and come out with a mind filled with mush"

In 1978 I was majoring in microbiology, Chirand took a class called infectious diseases. This was a class that crossed over with several majors including nursing students -the class was "Infectious Diseases", and it was held in huge class room that probably held 200 of us.

Each class meeting the professor used at least 15 minutes - not to talk about some infectious disease, but to preach to us - not lecture about wonderful vaccines, and how that some parents were claiming that their kids were damaged by vaccines.

Dr. Otero (I feel nothing about protecting his reputation or name) pointed out in very strong language, that they were mistaken, that neurological events of these children were set in motion in the womb and by genetics. That a certain amount of children reaches a young age seemly normal, and then suddenly these neurological events are set in motion. Since every child is vaccinated around that time of course the vaccines were going to be blamed.

I was fired up because I was young, very shy, and very timid. I had a mind being filled with mush , but oh, I so did want to excel in life.
I believed ever word he said.

One night after a long preachy lecture on it a nurse raised her hand and spoke up. (there are different kinds of nurses, different levels of education, and her dream was to be a RN nurse with a BS degree). This nurse was working her way through college as a nursing assistant at a rural hospital and - she bravely held up her hand. She said to Professor Otero; What am I suppose to tell these parents that have witnessed a sudden change "right" after a vaccine, they rush their baby to the emergency room, some times with life threatening conditions, definitely something is wrong, and they tell me it was the vaccine because they just had a vaccine?

She was confronting him!

I was embarrassed (I put my hands over my face, I could not even listen to the exchange that went back and forth between the two). My mind was so full of mush that I was too embarrassed to even listen to the conversation.

Oh, sure, Dr. Otero during that science/nursing course; during his preaching. said things that raised suspicions in my mind like: "Vaccines never cause problems -- because they just don't". We as students were being trained to follow bio pathways and the "just don't" -just like "Never" raised suspicion.

Sure' the text books said that some diseases the vaccine did not hold up very long and there had to boosters -- and from my training in other (more actually science) classes I was taught that the more a subject was exposed to a substance the more probability it was that that substance could give rise to an allergic reaction. Vaccines though were not mentioned in these classes as a substance because they were just magic. But I allowed my professor to do all the thinking for me.

In my defense; I have very few defenses except ignorance and faith in the devil , but I was not a rich suburban yuppie as they called it. I was a person that came from a long line of rural, Appalachian people that lived on the edge of poverty. I had the fire to climb out of that edge of poverty and my rope was education. I thought Dr. Otero was holding that rope for me.

I was a good athlete, but there were no sports for women at that time. Apparently in my state the claim was that some girl was killed about 20 (just guessing) prior while playing basketball and so girls were not allowed. I was one heck of a horse person though, and rode everyday, my balance was very good and I did it a lot bare back. Neither of my kids have the balance I have, even though my husband was a great athlete too. So much for what vaccines brought us. .

Years later I find out that Dr. Otero was not only a professor, but managed and owned a big lab that a lot of the big hospitals in the area sending a lot of their patients test to him. The lab was financed by Merck.

Oh, that is why he took up half the wall in the incubation room for half of a semester growing TB collected from patients.

After I vaccinated my first child it ran temperatures of 105-106. The doctors said that was fine. Although when I was growing up - no kid ran a temperature above 103 that I ever heard of -- maybe for a short time 104, and certain no 106. The doctors gave me the same speech as Dr. Otero, so I kept vaccinating. (Must have been some Merck, speech writer somewhere passing it out to all of them) .When my eldest daughter came down with Kawasaki while I was getting my master's degree, the young doctors showed us some silly study about wet carpets..

My husband said to me that he was reading else where that a lot of people are thinking it was the vaccines. I thought for one second -- if that long, and answered him that it had been almost 7 weeks since that vaccine -- no way.

Oh, but yes way, and I found that in the literature - under serum sickness. -Not until my son reacted three different times after each vaccine -- as the pediatricians "bullied" me and even gave me the same exact lecture as Dr. Otero had given me 10 years prior--It took actually observation on my part for my mush filled brain to start to solidify into brain gel.

Even at that my husband kept vaccinating himself (worship of doctors mush in his brain), and we got 2 great almost instant reactions which lead to a life time decline of health before his mushy brain solidified into brain gel. .

No, I did not go into the University with a mind of mush -- just empty. I was ignorant and unsophisticated. I did however; come out with a mind filled with mush.

And what of these young nursing students that get more than one of these nursing types of classes?
They don't stand a chance.

Dr. Hickie is obviously a coward and could not answer the questions posed to him in the previous article he commented on. He could not because his whole system of logic would have collapsed. Either he would have had to concede that it is possible the adoptive mom should get a second opinion and perhaps choose the safer choice of fewer shots or admit that CDC's own recommended advice is not right. Or even state that there is no such thing as an adverse event after a vaccine, which is clearly not true. Spouting off angrily like that with no substance and cowardice does not reflect well on his profession. Glad my doc is not like that.
I think it's simply the case that with older persons speaking out (be they of any race or sex) about having experienced side effects (such as Gardasil- and that one poor lady who had had such a bad reaction to a late MMR) that it will become a lot harder to sweep under the rug. Even in their silly words what they are admitting is that a significant portion of people are beginning to opt out of such an expanded schedule. I really think they have no-one to blame but themselves.

..."What you sadly prove is that you can go to college with minds of mush and graduate college with an even mushier mind--full of arrogance towards any/all who don't agree with you..."

Huh. Interesting words coming from a 'physician.'

Here are some wonderful Dr. Robert Mendelsohn quotes:

"Despite the tendency of doctors to call modern medicine an 'inexact science', it is more accurate to say there is practically no science in modern medicine at all. Almost everything doctors do is based on a conjecture, a guess, a clinical impression, a whim, a hope, a wish, an opinion or a belief. In short, everything they do is based on anything but solid scientific evidence. Thus, medicine is not a science at all, but a belief system. Beliefs are held by every religion, including the Religion of Modern Medicine."

Robert Mendelsohn, MD -

"When I was Senior Pediatric Consultant to the Department of Mental Health in Illinois, I cut out a certain kind of operation that was being performed on mongoloid children with heart defects. The stated purpose of the operation was to improve oxygen supply to the brain. The real purpose, of course, was to improve the state's residency programs in cardiovascular surgery, because nothing beneficial happened to the brains of mongoloid children—and the surgeons knew that. The whole idea was absurd. And deadly, since the operation had a fairly high mortality rate. Naturally, the university people were very upset when I cut out the operation. They couldn't figure out a better use for the mongoloid children, and, besides, it was important to train people.In prepaid group practices where surgeons are paid a steady salary not tied to how many operations they perform, hysterectomies and tonsillectomies occur only about one-third as often as in fee-for-service situations."

Ritual Mutilations by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.

And this gem:

"Medical students are further softened up by being maliciously fatigued. The way to weaken a person’s will in order to mold him to suit your purposes is to make him work hard, especially at night, and never give him a chance to recover. You teach the rat to race. The result is a person too weak to resist the most debilitating instrument medical school uses on its students: FEAR."

"If I had to characterize doctors, I would say their major psychological attribute is fear. They have a drive to achieve security-plus that’s never satisfied because of all the fear that’s drummed into them in medical school: fear of failure, fear of missing a diagnosis, fear of malpractice, fear of remarks by their peers, fear that they’ll have to find honest work. There was a movie some time ago that opened with a marathon dance contest. After a certain length of time all the contestants were eliminated except one. Everybody had to fail except the winner. That’s what medical school has become. Since everybody can’t win, everybody suffers from a loss of self-esteem. Everybody comes out of medical school feeling bad."

"Doctors are given one reward for swallowing the fear pill so willingly and for sacrificing the healing instincts and human emotions that might help their practice: ARROGANCE. To hide their fear, they’re taught to adopt the authoritarian attitude and demeanor of their professors."

Dr. Robert Mendelsohn - Confessions of a Medical Heretic

Julie,
I am generally no fan of the public school system, but I appreciate the strength and dedication that it takes to work within it and I have to say that your students are very fortunate to have you as their teacher.

Beth,
Word problems in 1st grade? That is beyond ridiculous. Some children don't normally read until age 7 or even later. Twenty years ago they were still teaching basic reading skills in the first grade. Now they expect kids not only to read at age 6, but well enough to solve word problems? That is so abusive.

"What you sadly prove is that you can go to college with minds of mush and graduate college with an even mushier mind--full of arrogance towards any/all who don't agree with you."

Chris, we think you project too much!

More and more people (not just parents of children with autism) are waking up to the fact that you and your ilk are not the boss of us. Thousands of people die every year at the hands of doctors and that doesn't even count cases of medical error. Because YOU bought into a paradigm you think everyone else should too and because this myopic view of medicine is so ingrained in your brain, when challenged you can only resort to ridiculing the challengers and spewing vitriol.

The days of slapping on a white coat and expecting instant authority and respect are done. Maybe your anger comes from feeling duped yourself as I imagine the reality of a profession dictated to by corporations can’t feel good. But heck, if you can’t beat ‘em, join em eh Chris?

This debate is becoming increasingly inflamed because of the solidarity of moms everywhere who trust one another more than we trust capitalist pharma interests. Many are refusing vaccines for their undamaged children because they believe our accounts of our own children's extreme damage. In the words of another great man, Martin Niemuller, "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."

Julie you are a ROCK STAR in my book. I wish I could write like that. You nailed it and I am loving it. THANK YOU.

And note the humble Dr Hickie did not return to answer his crtics on Dan's Weekly Wrap:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/weekly-wrap-six-of-one.html

I don't think we are arrogant on AoA, just very fed up with executive flannel. To paraphrase the ancient Rabbi Hillel we are for ourselves, but not only for ourselves, and we speak to the needs of the present time.

Wow Chris, a tad arrogant yourself I see. Obviously not a parent of a child with autism.

I don't understand it when men and other women get mad because we are mad. I am sure if it was Mr. Duncan calling out black women, or gay men.... that there would be an uproar and he would have to do some backpedaling, or even resign.

Because it's just "Educated White Women"--- we are like the Sarah Palin's--- the ones who don't know what they are talking about... (sorry Sarah-- I think you are awesome)

We - I say we because I am somewhat educated ( 2 years of college) -- after those two years I realized that the amount of debt I was sinking my family into was not worth it.

As for the target of "white women"---- I think that's a target because who has children that are vaccine injured... in such a huge demographic-- race wise? It's the white women's families.

We are mad. We are on the ball... and we are not going to give up our rights, or play by rules that are made to make us roll over and be sheeple that so many others have already become....

Chris Hickie said "What you sadly prove is that you can go to college with minds of mush and graduate college with an even mushier mind--full of arrogance towards any/all who don't agree with you."

Ironically this is exactly how we Thinking Moms view many in the medical profession who can't think for themselves and are too weak to question the safety of the medical establishments vaccination policy. Critical thinking among medical professionals on the US governments overly aggressive vaccination program is rare but I have utmost respect for those who have the courage and strength to speak out.

People think, but not always critically. Big difference. Great blog Julie. Thank you! In auditoriums across this country thinking parents are standing up to the bullying of our educators, parents and most important...our children. Reports of children suffering issues with stress to the extent of requiring meds, cutting themselves and causing self-injurious behaviors, not wanting to return to school and on and on since the implementation of CC in public schools. People who do not regard these incidents as important enough to re-evaluate what is being perpetrated against our children, particularly our children with disabilities, aren't thinking at all. They are buying into propaganda or thinking about what's best for themselves.

Julie,
Bravo!! As an educator and working mom I totally agree with your summation. My two girls (vaccine injured) are now in college and are fighting environmental toxins, male misogyny, and a broken health care system. Because of biomed they are 4.0 students who won't take any crap from the education and medical establishments. They have been injured, they understand the "denial" and they are going to tell everyone they know how our government turned it's back on "real science" and produced the sickest generation of kids on the planet. Information is power but only when you act on it. Keep up the informative essays and God bless "Age of Autism"!

Your conceit that you are "thinking whatevers" is an insult to the other parents of this country, for the implication of the label you so vainly boast is that no one else could ever possibly think as well as you do. Please stop and think about that for a moment. What is more likely--that you are much smarter than everyone else, or vice versa?

What you sadly prove is that you can go to college with minds of mush and graduate college with an even mushier mind--full of arrogance towards any/all who don't agree with you. No wonder I see lots of essays on here about how you never seem to have neighbors who understand you. Your neighbors actually do understand you.

But do keep hanging together and boasting of how great and wonderful and angry you are to the whole world. Please...do.