Note: regarding the March 7, 2002 letter to Congressman Dan Burton, the correct spelling is "Elizabeth Birt".

See http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/March2002/letterbirttoburton.htm

And, incidentally, more and more vaccines use neurotoxic aluminum compounds as adjuvants i.e. included as active ingredients to increase immunogenicity, for God's sake! I wonder whether Herr Doktor Eindecker knows anything about that?

It was originally Samy Suissa, a professor epidemiology at McGill, who asserted in a letter to NEJM (which they refused to publish) that the rate of autism was 45% higher in the group which had MMR.

http://www.jpands.org/vol9no3/stott.pdf

Admittedly, the Danish data has been wobbly from the beginning (quoted differently in every single study) with the latest 2013 study being outrageously different. The impression is of a gang of scientific fraudsters manipulating the data from one study to the next to obtain whatever conclusion they needed for political reasons but without there being any consistency between them. Several of these people probably belong with Thorsen in jail.

ChildHealthSafety

Of course there are the paid whisperers in the media. Mnookin, Willingham etc (actually dozens of them joined the fray over Jenny McCarthy).

Bernie Marcus whose money evidently links the CDC and Autism Speaks might be another in the billionaire category.

Who are the kinds of people responsible for the continuing pandemic of autistic conditions?

1) CDC employees/researchers and other government health officials;

2) the anonymous internet folk like the Eindekers who will not accept evidence of what is going on even when it is in their faces;

3) medical professionals who fail to scrutinise the evidence and question government health officials;

4) .......

Feel free to add your category.

So I've spent the most part of my day reading about autism and have kinda struck a gold mine. A little background about myself first. I'm from Somalia and if you have been keeping up with the latest news buzz about autism I'm sure you are aware of the epidemic rise of autism within our community in Minneapolis.
As I was watching a news clip on youtube of a Somali women speaking about her autistic son I was suddenly drawn to her skin color. I noticed the usual signs of someone who uses skin bleaching creams and it hit me than that that was the reason why the Somali community experiences such a high rate of autism. For most dark skinned females pregnancy darkens our skin and with time this discoloration disappears on its own. But my culture, much like most African cultures, bleaches their skin at an alarming rate not only during pregnancy but while breastfeeding. The main reason why bleaching creams are banned in America is due to the high levels of mercury and these women are exposing their children to mercury at an alarming rate! I've read many articles that state mercury in vaccines might be linked to autism but no where was there a single article making the connection between autism in Somalia communities and the use of skin bleaching agents. Now if a sophomore in college like me is able to make this connection I'm sure the CDC could easily find the cause of autism. But for the obvious reason of self destruction they allow this epidemic to ruin many lives.

Jenny Allan, this email further implicates the integrity of this shell game in the Danish autism report:

“From: Yeargin-Alisopp, Marshalyn [CDC]-
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 2:36 PM
To: Cordero, Jose
Cc: Schendel, Diana; Murphy, Catherine; Boyle, Coleen; Decoufle, Pierre; Thorsen, Poul; Yeargin-Allsopp, Marshatyn; Sinks, Tom
Subject: Proposal for study of MMR vaccine and autism in Denmark

Jose, As we discussed on Friday, we have become aware through Poul Thorsen of an exciting opportunity to study the role of MMR vaccine and autism using several registries/existing studies and the repository of biologic specimens and laboratory capabilities in Denmark. Attached below is a proposal for such a study. Poul will be leaving on Thursday to travel to Denmark where he will be meeting with the PIs for the proposed study on June 6th. We would like to be able to have Poul say whether it is likely that CDC (NIP) can fund the study, if NIP is interested. The proposed budget is included; there may be additional sources of funding (in addition to NIP) but we are not certain at this time. Unfortunately, the DD Branch does not have much (if any) $$ to fund the study, but we do have the expertise that we have developed due to the autism surveillance in Atlanta and the MMR/autism case-control study. I will be out of the office tomorrow, but you may contact Diana or Poul if you have questions. Thank you so much for considering this proposal.
Marshalyn”

See http://www.vaclib.org/sites/vap/cdc-spinach-autism-20070301.htm .

See also http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/04/indicted-researcher-poul-thorsen-autism-speaks-original-trailblazer.html and http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter5.html.

So one important question is this: Was the statistical nonsense in the referenced Danish reports accepted by the CDC because they were desperate to cover-up the following findings? From Simpsonwood 2000:
“I'm Bob Chen, I'm Chief of Vaccine Safety and Development at the National Immunization Program at CDC…I'm Roger Bernier, the Associate Director for Science in the National Immunization Program [CDC]…I'm Tom Verstraeten, EIS Office at National Immunization Program [CDC].

Tom Verstraeten: For the overall category of neurologic developmental disorders …That's an increase of .7% for each additional microgram of ethyl mercury. For an example, if we would go from zero to 50 micrograms of ethyl mercury, we would have to multiple these estimate by 50, so that would give us an additional increase of about 35 %, which is pretty close to the point estimate for this category.

Bob Chen: We have been privileged so far that given the sensitivity of information, we have been able to manage to keep it out of, let's say, less responsible hands, yet the nature of kind of proliferation and Xerox machines being what they are, the risk of that changes. So I guess as a group perhaps, and Roger, you may have thought about that.

Roger Bernier: You may have given a copy, but I think if we will all just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information, I think that was the best I can offer.”

See Simpsonwood transcript at http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter5.html

Dear Eine "Decked" Eindeker,

You now sound very angry in your post but it is the parents of children injured by these vaccines who should be angry with you.

No. None of the figures in Madsen are agreed. They clearly could all be eyewash and it seems they are.

The paper is by an author on the most wanted list for alleged financial fraud against the CDC.

The paper has never been replicated but it is contradicted by others.

It should be retracted.

It is over Dear Eine "Decked" Eindeker. Move on and accept like the Director of the US CDC did and the US HRSA that any vaccine can cause an autistic condition:

"All Studies Claiming No MMR Vaccine-Autism Link Invalid – According to Merck’s Vaccine Director, former US CDC Director & the US HRSA"

http://wp.me/pfSi7-1Vw

Next please.

"Es scheint, wir haben eine eindeker "decked"."
Please don't flatter yourself Mr CHS, and thanks but no thanks for your unsubtle offer of a strawman, I find the straw is often contaminated by farmyard waste.

But joking apart please tell me where on this logical path you fall off the rails, I want to understand.

Do we both agree there were 537,303 children in the study, 440655 vaccinated, 96648 unvaccinated?
OK with that? So let's move to the bottom of Table 1 add to numbers of children using age of diagnosis numbers and we get:
AD: Vaccinated 269, Unvaccinated 47
Other ASD:Vaccinated 352, Unvaccinated 70
(Jim there is NO timeline in these numbers so there is no "dynamic control")

Are we in agreement with these figures Mr CHS, all in Table 1?

If so move to Table 2 (sharp intake of breath Mr CHS??) and
you'll see the corresponding numbers are different:
AD: Vaccinated 263, Unvaccinated 53
Other ASD:Vaccinated 345, Unvaccinated 77

Hold on this is no smoke & mirrors snake oil conspiracy Mr CHS, as is explained in the footnote to Table 2:

"The distribution of cases of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders according to vaccination status differs from that in Table 1 because, in this analysis, children who were vaccinated after the disorder had been diagnosed were classified according to their vaccination status at the time of the diagnosis (i.e., as unvaccinated)."

ie some unfortunate children were diagnosed with ASD's before receiving the MMR vaccine. Now Jim & Mr CHS how do you deal with these?? The paper's authors correctly re-classified these as "unvaccinated" for the purpose of analysis as clearly the MMR had no relationship to developing autism. Is this wrong, if so please explain why & how you would handle these cases (6 for AD and 7 for other ASD from the data).

So there's a step wise analysis of how to calculate a simple incidence from the paper without any need for "dynamic control" tell me where it's wrong I'd love to see your logic. As I originally stated there is no difference in either the AD or other ASDs rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

Yeap, will need lots of stanchions

Just so you know that the CDC had directly on its payroll in Atlanta the alleged fraudster Poul Thorsen here is a paper by Poul Thorsen giving his address in Atlanta and his department at the US CDC in Atlanta and his personal CDC email address at the CDC in Atlanta:

Paediatr Perinat Epidemiol. 2001 Jul;15 Suppl 2:90-103.

Identification of biological/biochemical marker(s) for preterm delivery.

Thorsen P, Schendel DE, Deshpande AD, Vogel I, Dudley DJ, Olsen J.

The source of the paper is stated to be Source

Developmental Disabilities Branch, Division of Birth Defects, Child Development, and Disability and Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 4770 Buford Highway, Atlanta, GA 30341, USA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11520403

And here is Thorsen's personal CDC email address given with the paper: PCT9@CDC.GOV.

Thorsen remains on the "most wanted" list and for fraud and not for his boyish looks or lack of charm.

How many other Poul Thorsen types work at the CDC in Atlanta? Don't know but they sure seem to know that any vaccine can cause an autistic condition whilst pretending that is not a proven fact:

"All Studies Claiming No MMR Vaccine-Autism Link Invalid – According to Merck’s Vaccine Director, former US CDC Director & the US HRSA"

http://wp.me/pfSi7-1Vw

Nice huh?

Will all those who are crooks at the CDC form an orderly queue on the left and those who can prove they are not form the queue on the right. Anyone not sure can join the queue on the left - because if you are not sure then how can anyone else be?

Both Diana Schendel (CDC) and Poul Thorsen (most wanted list) are included as coauthors (2012 and 2013) here (see https://www.thieme-connect.com/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-0032-1316443 ) and here ( see http://www.torna.do/s/Thorsen-P/ ) .

According to this link (see http://pure.au.dk/portal/en/persons/id(2163da2c-859c-46e1-b464-d1c36b753696).html ), Diana Schendel works at Bartholins Allé 2, building 1260, 8000 Aarhus C, Denmark.

According to one of the manuscripts received in 2012, the address for Poul Thorsen was listed Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Lillebaelt Hospital, Kolding, Sygehus Lillebælt, Skovvangen 2, 6000 Kolding, Denmark.

Using the directions mode for Google map gives a driving time between these locations at about 1 hour and 7 minutes.

Maybe the US Department of Justice can ask the CDC employee Diana Schendel if she still has contact with Poul Thorsen and knows where he currently resides.

To contact the US DOJ go to http://www.justice.gov/usao/gan/contact/index.html .

Eindeker you again appear to mislead.

You took the total numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated children from the unadjusted Table 1 figures.

You again try to give the impression you were using figures from Table 2.

You then mixed those figures up with the "adjusted" figures for numbers of cases in Table 2.

That is how you came up with your rates of autistic conditions. And you then claim they are the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated.

But for a second time here you want to give the impression you took your figures from Table 2.

This is aside from the fact that you cannot tell from Table 2 or the rest of the paper exactly how those Table 2 figures were calculated - how they were "adjusted".

And Madsen has never ever come forward to explain the criticisms or discrepancies.

Not very impressive for scientific peer review if Madsen cannot answer the criticisms.

Eindeker - answer this - any vaccine can cause an autistic condition - confirmed by the CDC Director and the US HRSA:

http://wp.me/pfSi7-1Vw

This means any "study" looking a just one vaccine like MMR will never find any difference. It just compares vaccinated with vaccinated.

It means the CDC knew the Madsen study was pointless before they even paid a cent of US tax dollars to Thorsen to arrange it.

"In short that means if a child was 8 years old at the end of the study period and that child was diagnosed with autism, when he was 6, he would be counted as 2 “life-years” with autism, but 6 “life years” without autism."

With some of the comments here, I'm not clear on whether they were counting years pre and post MMR or years pre and post autism diagnosis, or doing some of both in their calculations?

But either way, one would think those that want to be convinced there is no difference in autism rates between vaccinated vs. never-vaccinated groups would question why all the mathematical gymnastics, changing of endpoints and entry points, the multiple study generations, destruction and hiding away of public data sets, and such occurs? It only makes the "uneducated" parent that much more suspicious and makes the lives of vaccine providers that much more difficult, doesn't it?

As Eindeker says "Jim it's worth nailing this". Yes it is. It is worth nailing Eindeker. The internet is riddled with Eindekers.

He did not [as he claims] use the "simple numbers of children, as published at the top of Table 2".

He used the numbers of children published at the top of Table 1. He then transposed them and inserted those figures in the "adjusted" figures in Table 2 as if the Table 1 figures had a direct relationship to the "adjusted" Table 2 figures.

Once you start "adjusting" figures you cannot just transpose the raw figures over and mix them all up and claim it is all the same thing.

Table 2 does not set out the Table 1 figures. There is a good reason for that. The Table 2 figures are "adjusted" so there is no direct correspondence between the Table 1 figures and the Table 2 figures.

As the Mcgill University epidemiologist Suissa noted about Madsen's Table 2: "In this case, the adjustment for age could have been artificial. It would be useful then to present rates on subjects 24-29 months since vaccination and on the unvaccinated (crude rate ratio 2.5) stratified by age. Otherwise, one could be tempted to conclude that the figure is in fact suggestive of an association between MMR vaccination and the risk of autism."

I recall that Boyd Haley mentioned one Denmark/ Thorsen study that concluded that

after removing Thimerosal from the vaccines, the Denmark Autism rates went UP, not DOWN and UP by a factor of 20.

Simply the magic of epidemiology, a criminal mind... and plenty of money from the CDC.

Jim it's worth nailing this, and its not meant to be a tit for tat e-mail thread, but you're not correct in how I'm analysing the data. The paper clearly uses "person-years" which is a difficult concept, used presumably to allow the hazard ratios to be calculated for the onset of autism and the gap between vaccination and autism diagnosis.

However when I looked at the data I deliberately did not use this but simple numbers of children, as published at the top of Table 2.

You say the numbers further down in Table 2 are "cooked" as they are a "dynamic control group", however those are not the data I'm using.

What I used were total numbers of children as shown in Table 2: VACCINATED CHILDREN (N=440,655); UNVACCINATED CHILDREN (N=96,648). A child is classified as unvaccinated until they receive the MMR, after that they are classified as vaccinated.

These numbers (440655 & 96648) are not a "dynamic control group" as you describe it, they are independent of time, which is just as John Gilmore asked for, that's why I did the analysis.

You say "In terms of a scientific “control” this is a sham. The adjectives “vaccinated” and “unvaccinated” (in table 2) are meaningless." Please explain why the terms vaccinated and unvaccinated are meaningless terms, seems quite simple to me they either did or did not receive MMR vaccine, irrespective of when they received this or when they were diagnosed with autism.

Eindecker, you said

“Top of Table 1 gives total vaccinated children 440,655 unvaccinated children 96,648. Table 2 gives number of vaccinated autistic children 263, autistic unvaccinated children 53.”

The issue here is that the numbers in table 2 were “cooked” as a dynamic control group. Again, the authors said “We treated vaccination as a time-dependent covariate. The children were assigned to the nonvaccinated group until they received the MMR vaccine.”

In terms of a scientific “control” this is a sham. The adjectives “vaccinated” and “unvaccinated” (in table 2) are meaningless.

This is the simplest explanation we have seen yet of the fraud:

"In short that means if a child was 8 years old at the end of the study period and that child was diagnosed with autism, when he was 6, he would be counted as 2 “life-years” with autism, but 6 “life years” without autism. If it sounds silly and confusing it is, by design."

http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/09/round-2-cdcs-poul-thorsen-lying-in-plain-sight.html

And then we have this:

"All Studies Claiming No MMR Vaccine-Autism Link Invalid – According to Merck’s Vaccine Director, former US CDC Director & the US HRSA"

http://wp.me/pfSi7-1Vw

And what that means in short is that the children with autistic conditions whose condition is not linked to the MMR vaccine - the "background" cases used for comparison in these statistical "tobacco science" studies - are likely to have gotten their autistic condition from another vaccine.

But if you compare MMR caused autism cases against the "background" it then becomes much more difficult to see any difference.

Or as we put it to make it simple "If you go shopping and compare all the candy in one store with all the candy all other stores you are likely to find its all candy."

"We have Paul Offit calling this Nobel prize winner -- Linus Pauling- whose name is known to all high school chemistry and science students --- the biggest quack ever!"

Doctor Linus Pauling is one of the finest minds this world has EVER seen. Doctor Pauling has SOLVED every problem he has focused his mental prowess on. Doctor Pauling was denied at least four Nobel Prizes on political grounds.

Doctor Pauling and Doctor Mathias Rath have given us the KEY to the prevention and treatment of most CVD by elucidating the pathomechanism of atherosclerosis.

In brief they posit that the state of sub-clinical scurvy that most of us exist in, CREATES the atherosclerosis to help keep us from bleeding to death at a very early age; the down side is of course an early death from the same atherosclerosis. Get your vitamin C daily intake up to IMO about 3 grams and you will OBVIATE most of CVD as well as a whole raft of other disease.

"As they researched their book ASCORBATE, Hickey and Roberts began to wonder if Pauling's offense had been to discuss openly the properties of a substance that threatens the profitability of medicine. If the claims for vitamin C are correct, it might replace many lucrative and expensive medications." ASCORBATE: The Science of Vitamin C Note not only medications but also PROCEDURES such as by-pass and stent surgery the bread and butter of CVD surgeons. In fact one may say that a few grams of vitamin C/person/day could DEVASTATE the CVD Industry and greatly harm Rockefeller's depopulation program.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_cvd.htm

Of course doc profit has been propagandized all his worthless life to believe we only need the RDA of 60 mg/day of vitamin C and every worthless child destroying "vaccination" ever created to remain healthy.

Eindeker you say "This gives autism rates per 10000 children for vaccinated individuals 5.968 and for unvaccinated 5.4838. No significant difference by Chi Square.
For other autism spectrum diagnoses same population numbers, 345 cases in vaccinated and 77 in unvaccinated giving rates per 10,000 of 7.83 and 7.967 respectively, again not significantly different". There is a difference, and therefore shows an increase in the vaccinated between the 2 groups, and was around the actual autism rate at the time of the study about .5% of the population, and continually increasing which therefore shows the expected increase of autism rates in the vaccinated if done today the rates would likely be 1.5 to 2% since autism rates have risen to about 2% of the population, and I do believe this is the point.

For many years we have all known the truth about vaccines and how they cause Autism.

We have watched our babies health deteriorate after each injection.

So when are the governments going to cease the cover-ups?

Elizabeth Gillespie

Thanks for publishing my calculated simple incidence rates as was requested, I cannot see any error in my maths, the calculations are very simple crude incidence rates from data published in the paper; there simply is no difference in autism rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts. Since this study is so pivotal in discussions I think it behoves John Gilmore to explain the basis of the calculations used for the graphs without delay.

Not to take away one minute from how on earth John figured this out and this is like all of this stuff just earth shattering news -- MY GOD!

But Go over to wiikipedia about
Linus Pauling

We have Paul Offit calling this nobel prize winner -- Linus Pauling- whose name is known to all high school chemistry and science students --- the biggest quack ever!

Cause Linus Pauling thought vitamin C was a good idea.

I will say one thing for the CDC they sure are able to get around and put their plugs in - every where

I'm assuming the "unvaccinated" group here is not never vaccinated?

Sorry but your maths is wrong in calculating the crude incidence rate:
Top of Table 1 gives total vaccinated children 440,655 unvaccinated children 96,648.
Table 2 gives number of vaccinated autistic children 263, autistic unvaccinated children 53.
This gives autism rates per 10000 children for vaccinated individuals 5.968 and for unvaccinated 5.4838. No significant difference by Chi Square.
For other autism spectrum diagnoses same population numbers, 345 cases in vaccinated and 77 in unvaccinated giving rates per 10,000 of 7.83 and 7.967 respectively, again not significantly different

How have you got your values???

John, this is riveting information, clearly expressed. But how did you derive the bar chart in this article? This is not a rhetorical question. The chart is the clincher. Please reply.

She probably spends most of her time at CDC now, since Aarhus seems to have greater attentiveness to ethics than CDC. Still, I wonder if she also has one of those cushy "two full-time jobs" arrangements. Maybe Poul is housesitting for her in Denmark?

“life-years”
How clever!
And to think if only they had used all that brain power to figure out why the MMR is causing autism in the first place. Is it the mercury in the DPT shot -- or is it mumps part of it too -- like in the Pertusis toxin?

If just in the last decade they had not wasted so much time -- we could have had some answers.

At least to know what to expect - is coming down the pipes -- like pace makers - or something.

My cousin who has diabetes is getting a pace maker today.

Like Geiger and Geiger said: If they could have got ahold of the data base they might link a lot of stuff to vaccines.

Can you believe that people in the United States Government is hiding such stuff that affects every human being not just in the United States but -- as in WHO going world wide -- Can you imagine there are people like that -- and they just keep on keeping quiet forever, and ever, and ever! No breaking point!