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August 6, 2013, Huffington: Girls With Anorexia Show Characteristics Of Autism, Study Finds

August 6, 2013, Fox News: Anorexic girls also have autistic traits, study finds

August 6, 2013, The Witch Hunt of Jenny McCarthy for Talking About Vaccines

August 5, 2013, Miami Herald: Preschool for students with autism expands

August 5, 2013, Huffington: What Causes Autism Spectrum Disorder?

August 5, 2013, The Atlantic: Dating on the Autism Spectrum

August 5, 2013, The Washington Times: ‘Docs vs. Glocks’ showdown in Florida Physicians have no business interrogating patients about their guns


"Scientists studying girls with the eating disorder anorexia have found they show a mild echo of the characteristics of autism - a finding which could point to new ways of helping anorexics overcome their illness.

"A study by the leading autism expert Simon Baron-Cohen at Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre found that compared to typical girls, those with anorexia have an above-average number of autistic traits.

"They were also found to have an above-average interest in systems and order, and below-average scores in empathy - a profile similar, but less pronounced, to that seen in people with autism, suggesting the two disorders may have common underlying features, Baron-Cohen said."
Notice the slide show included here. Facts about Autism---Fact #6: "Research Shows That There Is No Link Between The Onset Of Autism And Vaccinations."  I posted lots of comments.

Fox News

"Scientists studying girls with the eating disorder anorexia have found they show a mild echo of the characteristics of autism - a finding which could point to new ways of helping anorexics overcome their illness.

"A study by the leading autism expert Simon Baron-Cohen at Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre found that compared to typical girls, those with anorexia have an above-average number of autistic traits.

"They were also found to have an above-average interest in systems and order, and below-average scores in empathy - a profile similar, but less pronounced, to that seen in people with autism, suggesting the two disorders may have common underlying features, Baron-Cohen said..... In Europe experts say the rate is around one in 100 children. Most cases are diagnosed in boys."
Baron-Cohen finds autism to be an interesting genetic disorder. He has long denied any real increase and pretends that there are just as many autistic adults as children. His definition of autism trivializes what ASD kids live with. So, is anorexia also on the autism spectrum? No comments here.

"Now that it looks like ABC-TV executives are backing Barbara Walters’ hire of celebrity Jenny McCarthy to join the popular daytime talk show "The View",1 the blood that spilled on the ground of the Fourth Estate during 10 hot days in July is beginning to dry.

"It was fascinating to watch the well-orchestrated response by online mainstream media, which took on the frenzy of an old fashioned witch hunt to burn a heretic at the stake."
Barbara Loe Fisher brilliantly summarized what's behind the ferocious media attack on Jenny McCarthy's new job at The View.

Miami Herald

"'We started the academy in response to a growing need,' Kabot said.

"The $35,000-a-year academy, which will run 8 a.m.-2 p.m. and follow the Broward County Public Schools calendar, will offer small classes with two students per teacher. Students can attend the school on a McKay Scholarship, which is offered by the state. No transportation or food service will be provided....

"Kabot said the prevalence of children being diagnosed with autism continues to rise - now with one out of every 50 children being diagnosed.

"'With more and more people being identified, the need becomes greater,' she said."
More and more kids with autism.  More and more schools for them.  More and more people just don't care.

"The latest estimates indicate that one in 88 children in the United States is affected by an autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The rate of ASD diagnosis has been steadily rising over the last decade. ASD is a condition in which individuals struggle with social interaction and communication, often coupled with a limited range of interests and a preference for a set routine.
"One of the questions I am most commonly asked as a psychiatrist specializing in child psychiatry is, "What causes autism?" The dissatisfying, but truthful answer is that nobody really knows. It is probably due to a variety of factors, including genetic and environmental influences. My answer, however, often leaves the questioner feeling a little bit shortchanged, especially with the current surge of new reports linking yet another "risk factor" to autism. In the last couple of months alone, air pollution, gluten sensitivity, maternal antibodies, a lack of folic acid and a number of genetic mutations have all emerged as possible causes of this spectrum disorder. Hence the question arises: why is it so difficult for doctors and scientists to pinpoint the cause for this growing and serious condition? ..."
Here a psychiatrist is out to convince us that it's all right if we don't know what causes autism; it's not such a bad thing, after all.  I have posted comments.  Don't see them yet.
The Atlantic

"The aspects of autism that can make everyday life challenging-reading social cues, understanding another's perspectives, making small talk and exchanging niceties-can be seriously magnified when it comes to dating. Though the American Psychiatric Association defines autism as a spectrum disorder-some people do not speak at all and have disabilities that make traditional relationships (let alone romantic ones) largely unfeasible, but there are also many who are on the "high-functioning" end and do have a clear desire for dating and romance.

"Autism diagnosis rates have increased dramatically over the last two decades (the latest CDC reports show one in 50 children are diagnosed), and while much attention has been paid to early-intervention programs for toddlers and younger children, teens and adults with autism have largely been overlooked-especially when it comes to building romantic relationships.

"Certain characteristics associated with the autism spectrum inherently go against typical dating norms. For example, while a "neuro-typical" person might think a bar is great place for a first date, it could be one of the worst spots for someone on the spectrum. Dorsey Massey, a social worker who helps run dating and social programs for adults with various intellectual disabilities, explained, "If it's a loud, crowded place, an individual on the spectrum may be uncomfortable or distracted." Sensory issues may also make certain lights and noises especially unpleasant."

The fact that The Atlantic is even reporting on this shows that no one takes autism seriously. We can muse about things like this because autism is merely an interesting curiosity, not a crisis.
I could see discussing this topic if our understanding of autism weren't so abysmal to begin with. Two percent of children with autism is a national health care emergency. (That includes a rate of one in 31 among boys alone.)  Officially, there's no known cause, cure or prevention for autism. When a child that was born healthy and is developing normally suddenly loses learned skills and regresses into autism, doctors stand around clueless. No one has ever been able to find a comparable rate of autism among adults and that simple fact should be scaring everyone.

Parents aren't that concerned about who their autistic children will date when they're busy dealing with things like:

Will my child ever talk?

When will doctors be able to help my autistic child with seizures, bowel disease, and sleep disorder?
How will we be able to pay for the overwhelming cost of autism therapy?

Will my child ever be able to hold down a job?

What will happen to my child when we're no longer here to care for him?

The is the real world of autism.

The Washington Times:

"A family reported being told that it was 'a Medicaid necessity … to answer a firearms question.' Some parents said they were asked to leave the examining room so that the doctor could force their child to inform on them in secret....
"The doctors groups’ justification that they are just providing medical care to parents does not hold water, as the lead plaintiffs in the case are rabidly anti-gun. The American Academy of Pediatrics gives this 'advice to parents' on its website: “Do not purchase a gun, especially a handgun. Remove all guns present in the home.” It also instructed those who refuse to obey that they should 'always keep the gun unloaded and locked up. Lock and store the bullets in a separate place.'
"The Florida law should be a model for the nation on keeping doctors in check when it comes to the privacy of parents to safely and responsibly keep arms in their homes. The appeals court ought to overturn the lower court's decision and give the Sunshine State the ability to shine the light on what is going on in the secrecy of doctors’ offices."

I remember when my children were babies and we went for those well-baby visits.  Every time the doctor would ask about the paint in our house--did we have old paint on any walls which might contain LEAD, which is toxic?  I always said, "Absolutely not."  Of course this was done at the same time the doctor was injecting known toxins into my kids in their vaccines:  mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, and more.  There clearly was a double standard when it came to exposing children to damaging poisons and two of my kids were vaccine injured.

Very little has changed except that it seems doctors are now promoting gun control.  I wonder when they'll figure out how to really keep children healthy.



What seems screamingly to me, not sure why the "experts" are so clueless:

Anorexics are self-starved--and are therefore malnourished and vitamin-deficient.

Autistic children (at least, a substantial subgroup) have intestinal malabsorption--and are therefore malnourished and vitamin-deficient.


Add mercury poisoning to the mix, and you've got one hell of a recipe for brain damage.

So why do they keep looking for nonexistent congenital brain defects to explain things? They're going totally bass-ackwards!

Has anybody done a survey to see how many anorexic girls were in utero when their mothers were given RhoGam or had silver fillings?

And we all know that the hypothalamus plays an extremely important role in vitamin D metabolism, right? Vitamin D deficiency --> glutathione depletion --> inability to properly excrete heavy metals.

The dots are there. To let others connect them, we just have to wave away the smoke and mirrors set up by Pharma research--over and over and over, as many times as it takes.



When I contracted ME I had chronic gut problems and could not eat. I lost over 2 stone in weight over a period of 6 months. What you say about the hypothalamus trying to repair itself makes sense. It was the same as your husband. Up two days down 3. This was 6 years ago but now I am well, just the odd 2 days now and then and fatigue. So the body does repair itself. But it struggles sometimes to stay that way. Something is still there. But what is it? Toxins? Bacteriological? Metals? Still an unknown quantity. But so similar to ADS in some ways.


The article mentioned by Anne and Jen in the Toronto Star "Jenny McCarthy preaches belligerent ignorance to the world on vaccines and autism" was written by Joel Rubinoff. Anyone wanting to email him regarding his article can do so. At the end of the article it states:
Joel Rubinoff is the father of an autistic son. Email him at


The hypothalamus also controls inflammation according to new research released this year by Dr. Cai of The Einstein insitute.

Do inflammation is just another sign that the hypothalamus is damaged.

But hypothalamus they are finding is very sensitive and responses to what we do and do not eat too. It seems to want to repair itself.

Chronic fatigue - is not what my husband is dignosed with - it is mitochondrial myopathy but it sure sounds like chronic fatigue too. He lost a lot of weight so I am making sure I wake him up now to make sure he eats. He is up a day and down two -- or up a day and down three -- it seems anymore he is down more than he is up. But he had pnumonia a couple of weeks back, so maybe we can get back to up one and only down two.


I have Chronic Fatigue or M.E. as it is also known and over on one of the Forums ( visit they have picked up on this particular Toronto article and mentioned how very similar these gastric disturbances are to M.E. They also mention Wakefield. Damage to the Hypothalamus is also a well known in the hypothesis of gut disturbances in ME. Someone once described the Hypothalamus as being the hard drive of the human body. Damage it and all hell breaks loose, it controls everything. But how does it get damaged in the first place? Inflammation crossing the brain/gut barrier is one hypothesis. Sound familiar?

Jeannette Bishop

I noticed that quite a few vaccines list anorexia as an adverse effect. Is it just the Hg component I wonder, or something about altering immune function? Either way, the effect gets classified as a gastrointestinal "side-effect" and yes, it seems like some people understand well enough what is going on, at least enough to want to see if anorexia can be connected to the ASD spectrum.

It's so much like the research regarding allergy: no direct study of a pharmaceutical link, just side-stepping attempts to, I don't know, either understand how to manipulate the exposure effects better and/or to create a false impression of other links? As long as implicating an industrial product is verboten, all we get is beating-around-the-bush research.


Jen; I am amazed every day how we are silenced. I could go in and put F words about the weahter and that would be fine.

But make a clear, calm, thoughtful sentence about vaccines and it is banned.

Oh what a world, what a world!


They know and have known for a very long time in mice and esp in cats that if they take a cat and damage one side of the hypothalamus - the left side I believe, it starves to death.It has no appetite.

If they damage the right side (don't hold me to which side is which) it eats itself to death- morbid obseity.

There were a whole lot of these very thin girls in the 90s.

Now the public understands gluttony- and being fat - the public can be led to think - to believe with ease that being obese is normal - a way nature has of stocking up for when there is famine.
So it appears that the vaccines are damaging the hypothalamus to cause more often obseity than anorexia.

Anorexia hits girls more than any other group -- esp those good girls - that are A students - that psychs have claimed for years wants to be good little girls for ever and are trying to remain children or then again - it is a Barbie Doll world.

Do you think that if it was the other way, and more people had anorexia than being obese that the public would be more aware of the vaccine damgaes?


@when will they ever admit it- yes but people like Sasha Baron Cohen have to waste a lot more time and money on stupid research. Apparently we have unlimited funds for special education services, stupid research, police services to find wandered/lost children, special needs transitional services for adult living...

When will they ever admit?

Gee, even the CDC knows mercury toxicity causes anorexia.

"Manifestations of mercury poisoning include intention tremor, memory loss, insomnia, timidity, gingivitis, diarrhea, anorexia, weight loss, and, in severe cases, delirium."

When will they ever see?

Probable link between mercury exposure and anorexia? Definitely--plenty of folks on the web have noted this long ago. Cohen is pretty late in his observation of some similarities--and unfortunately totally blind to the most probable connection between autism and anorexia.

Carolyn Flannery

Why couldn't anorexia , a fairly recent condition, be a sign of mercury poisoning that seems to primarily affect girls? And what if there is a gut connection to anorexia. And what if hunger makes you "self-focusing" .
My son who is Asd forgets to eat and I have often wondered about links to anorexia. The problem is that baron-Cohen refuses to look for causes. He sees symptoms and labels them and assumes he is finished .
I have a sweet kind cousin who overcame anorexia in her teens. She was pretty odd during the time she did not eat. The anorexia happened after a bunch of dental visits perhapa they had a mercury incident. Her father had a vaccine reaction at age two to the 1933 dpt (I think that is what it is) recovering from a rough time at school to become a wonderful but ADD guy. Her daughter got so
Sick from the rounds of shots required to visit abroad that she was briefly hospitalized. I think there is a link. Mercury affects differently depending on when you get exposed.

Anne Dachel

I tried to post on the Toronto Star article too and it wouldn't come up.


A really nasty, hate-filled, hyperbole-laced article appeared recently in the Toronto Star. The person writing it was some kind of entertainment critic and has a child with autism. He actually stated, "do vaccines cause autism? The entire medical establishment and scientific community say no." Well for starters the guy doesn't read much on this topic. The other thing that just floored me were the liberties he took in discussing Jenny's child and his diagnosis. I put in a letter to the editor but it was not printed, yet two in support of his article were.

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